Day 6

[FM Mendez]

FM Leary - Lot's of lurking. Never made an avatar. As Parker stated, the post that fos's him.
Day 4 #343

Mixed reads. Wants to lynch Parker and thinks Biggs is scum. The Biggs part is pro town, but not the Parker part. His list has two people that I can agree with are scummy/scum - Biggs and Galletta. Later trying to lynch Biggs. I doubt he is a savage from this.

Another post of interest. Day 5 #325
Sheeping on Earle, for good reason. But then claims Phelps is trustworthy and Caf is not protown. Mixed reads from him. Scum will usually show suspicion against other scum though to prevent buddying. He's been lurking most of the game so it's hard to tell if its scummy or not.

Besides him showing a FOS against you, Parker. I don't think he is a savage. Imo the people most likely to be Savages/Savage Godfather are the ones who decided to claim Delta without any pressure. Rose was checked, but Ryan and Ackerman (Need confirmation) both claimed Delta with no pressure. Why would a citizen do that?

Just noticed I said Biggs was scummy. Obviously not. Confused Biggs with Ballard. I'll be back on later when more people are on.

[FM Parker]

And just how much pressure has there been on the savages? Also, what would have happened if they kept it up and Mayor couldn't reveal? I think I'd be in the position of being lynched. They made such a bold move precisely because no one is paying any attention to them.

I wish we had a killing role. That would make this SO easy.

[FM Parker]

This is too tempting. The exact number of savages that would be alive, FoS me all in the same day. They'd have one more conversion left, which they'd use on Night 5. Then, they'd start killing. No. I think they are the savages. I'm going to look over their posts and take a look. In the back of my mind, I wonder if Mendez was converted.

[FM Leary]

Leary just jumped totally up my suspicion list. He fosed me the same day Hopgood and Ballard did.

I know you're not there... but Leary might be the savage GF.

I FoS'd you because you were trash and didn't even know about journalist mechanics. If you wish, and once i have time, i can quote the exact things from days past. You upped your game somewhat since then, but at the beginning you were just being aimless and trying to herd.
I will not emphasize this point any longer since i still need to catch up on the last 2 pages

[FM Kalou]

This is too tempting. The exact number of savages that would be alive, FoS me all in the same day. They'd have one more conversion left, which they'd use on Night 5. Then, they'd start killing. No. I think they are the savages. I'm going to look over their posts and take a look. In the back of my mind, I wonder if Mendez was converted.

what day were you fosed? i'll read that next.

[FM Parker]

Day 4. Ballard, Leary and Hopgood all FoS me at some point in that day.

[FM Parker]

By the way, Hopgood cannot be the savage GF. He was roleblocked n1 by Monroe. Since Ballard had to be converted n1, we can eliminate that possibility.

[FM Kalou]

was cafarelli the target of a journalist on day 2? or was it someone else?

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli was never targeted by a journalist. On night one the corrupt journalist selected Rose (I think), Bishop was interviewed by Earle.

[FM Mendez]

And just how much pressure has there been on the savages? Also, what would have happened if they kept it up and Mayor couldn't reveal? I think I'd be in the position of being lynched. They made such a bold move precisely because no one is paying any attention to them.

I wish we had a killing role. That would make this SO easy.

None really. I was attempting to find any accusations that would make Cult target Monroe but in almost all his posts he was hunting Mafia. I think the cults motivation in their kill was to cause a lynch on Phelps.

Parker did you note any accusations from Monroe that someone was savage which would cause him to be targeted?

@Kalou, I linked the post earlier by Leary in my post #341

[FM Leary]

By the way, Hopgood cannot be the savage GF. He was roleblocked n1 by Monroe. Since Ballard had to be converted n1, we can eliminate that possibility.

I HAS SUPER CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!!
OH WAITZ IT DOESN'T WORKZ
Well done Mr Persecution complex. Still wondering why I FoS'd you?

[FM Kalou]

By the way, Hopgood cannot be the savage GF. He was roleblocked n1 by Monroe. Since Ballard had to be converted n1, we can eliminate that possibility.

savage gf doesnt need n1. he could still be savage GF and just behind a recruiting?

[FM Rose]

I was interviewed by the corrupt journalist on night 2 and earle on night 3

[FM Kalou]

Cafarelli was never targeted by a journalist. On night one the corrupt journalist selected Rose (I think), Bishop was interviewed by Earle.

so rose is consig...?

[FM Kalou]

very confused...

who wrote the investigator interview??

[FM Parker]

Monroe was an outed escort. I don't think the savages needed much of a reason to target an outed escort beyond that.

Part of me wants to game and lynch Leary right now but the rational part of my brain says that letting confirmed scum go is too risky.


@Kalou. No Bishop wrote the article with the investigative pairing. He was tracking Mason and got swapped to track Monroe. So he thought mason was an escort consort.

[FM Parker]

I HAS SUPER CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!!
OH WAITZ IT DOESN'T WORKZ
Well done Mr Persecution complex. Still wondering why I FoS'd you?

Leary, if you'd take it to the next step. That means you're the savage GF and Hopgood was converted night 3.

[FM Leary]

Leary, if you'd take it to the next step. That means you're the savage GF and Hopgood was converted night 3.

I seriously consider suiciding at this point. There are at least 5 people who have never even considered scumhunting or contributing, while you chase some weird ass conspiracy theory. Given that hopgood might flip savage if he goes first i'm not too far off the lynch list.
At least this gives me wifom protection

[FM Kalou]

"First of all, I'm happy to announce the existence of an Investigator on the role list.

Secondly, rejoice! For I have found one of the Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost category. The behavior of my target wasn't particularly suspicious. I will decide depending on further behavior and incoming information whether to reveal target or not."

tell me why you think bishop would refer to himself as an investigator, and claim to know one person's category?

[FM Galloway]

Not here because family is over. I'll be back when they sleep.

[FM Leary]

If i suicide, can i leave a suicide note?

[FM Parker]

I seriously consider suiciding at this point. There are at least 5 people who have never even considered scumhunting or contributing, while you chase some weird ass conspiracy theory. Given that hopgood might flip savage if he goes first i'm not too far off the lynch list.
At least this gives me wifom protection

I have more than a "real life day" to run this down and I intend to use a fair amount of it.

"First of all, I'm happy to announce the existence of an Investigator on the role list.

Secondly, rejoice! For I have found one of the Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost category. The behavior of my target wasn't particularly suspicious. I will decide depending on further behavior and incoming information whether to reveal target or not."

tell me why you think bishop would refer to himself as an investigator, and claim to know one person's category?

Monroe went over this a few days back. An investigator on the role list is common knowledge. Plus, Bishop could have meant investigator as "an investigative role".


@Galloway, please reread day 4 and tell me what you think of Leary and Hopgood being savages by the time you return.

[FM Parker]

I seriously consider suiciding at this point. There are at least 5 people who have never even considered scumhunting or contributing, while you chase some weird ass conspiracy theory. Given that hopgood might flip savage if he goes first i'm not too far off the lynch list.
At least this gives me wifom protection

Now the biggest problem is testing the theory. I am not likely to stay alive long if I am right. Then again, if I keep the savages and mafia even, I don't need to.

[FM Ferengi]

If i suicide, can i leave a suicide note?

No.

[FM Parker]

If i suicide, can i leave a suicide note?

If you're a delta, what would that note say beyond Parker is the biggest idiot to ever play in an FM anyway?

[FM Mendez]

Monroe was an outed escort. I don't think the savages needed much of a reason to target an outed escort beyond that.

Part of me wants to game and lynch Leary right now but the rational part of my brain says that letting confirmed scum go is too risky.


@Kalou. No Bishop wrote the article with the investigative pairing. He was tracking Mason and got swapped to track Monroe. So he thought mason was an escort consort.

True but assuming they aren't max capacity, they stopped recruiting for a night to do this? There was other outed power roles as well.

Leary suiciding is anti-town. I've said this before when Caf was considering suicide.

[FM Parker]

*slips Galloway's family sleeping pills*

I could use a non-suspect to talk to about this.

Why are there so many lurkers?

[FM Parker]

True...

I am seeing Leary GF
Ballard N1
Morgan N2
Hopgood N3
ParkerFailure N4
Unknown Person N5
Killing Begins N6

It might give us wrong assumptions. I don't know. I just cannot figure out a reason why all three players would randomly FoS me based on post style. Ballard was the only one with a semi-intelligent FoS that day.

[FM Kalou]

*slips Galloway's family sleeping pills*

I could use a non-suspect to talk to about this.

Why are there so many lurkers?

im here. ive been asking questions. unless im a suspect.

[FM Parker]

im here. ive been asking questions. unless im a suspect.

I thought you were still reading and therefore "gone" for purposes of that post Kalou.

Technically, you're a suspect but a very minor one so you don't count as a suspect when I said that.

[FM Mendez]

*slips Galloway's family sleeping pills*

I could use a non-suspect to talk to about this.

Why are there so many lurkers?

There are currently 10 users browsing this thread. (10 members and 0 guests)

We are 2. So what are you 8 doing?

@Kalou I think he was saying that I am the suspect.

[FM Kalou]

I thought you were still reading and therefore "gone" for purposes of that post Kalou.

Technically, you're a suspect but a very minor one so you don't count as a suspect when I said that.

dual screening, about every page or so i refresh day 6.
whoever said scumhunting from previous days is dumb. you get such a different perspective on how the game is going when you have that foresight.

[FM Mason]

I thought you were still reading and therefore "gone" for purposes of that post Kalou.

Technically, you're a suspect but a very minor one so you don't count as a suspect when I said that.

I'm not a suspect. I say we lynch Dunn today and go from there

[FM Kalou]

I'm not a suspect. I say we lynch Dunn today and go from there

i think we're waiting on phelps.

[FM Parker]

dual screening, about every page or so i refresh day 6.
whoever said scumhunting from previous days is dumb. you get such a different perspective on how the game is going when you have that foresight.

You do. I had "known" Black was mafia from rereading day 3. So when Dunn offered him up as a savage, I began to get suspicious. I also "knew" Green wasn't mafia because of the conflict between him and Black.

Taking names out of it, do you think I'd have to be crazy to take Dunn up on his offer to work with him now that we have a semi-halfway lead on the savages? I'd like to have the Kidnapper's help in keeping some of us alive.

[FM Parker]

I'm not a suspect. I say we lynch Dunn today and go from there

Do you think it's possible that all three living savages at the time decided to FoS me at once to try and get town points Mason? I know there's a chance you're a savage but I actually think you're a Mason.

[FM Mendez]

dual screening, about every page or so i refresh day 6.
whoever said scumhunting from previous days is dumb. you get such a different perspective on how the game is going when you have that foresight.

Was I. I said from day 1 chat when it is day 5. I suppose it is very useful for a replacement as yourself.

[FM Parker]

If we lynch the Savage Godfather, does the one half of the group (rounded down) die immediately?

[FM Donnelly]

Hey guys, I'm back. Looks like we're in a bit of a predicament. If we lynch Dunn, the obvious kidnapper, we kill a scum (yay), but math dictates that we don't have the numbers to win unless the savages and mafia end up killing each other. Our best chance to win is to lynch the savage godfather today and lynch the remaining savages in the coming days in order to eliminate 1 kpn to buy us time to hunt down all the mafia. But we don't know who the savage godfather is...

Unless we can find the savage godfather today, we might as well lynch Dunn and hope the scums implode. If we're trying for the savage godfather though, I would suggest we lynch Mason, with Black being next in line.

[FM Galletta]

Hey guys, guess what? The other two pushing against Lichtmann were also murdered. Enough pro-town players dying, either Lichtmann is lynched or this town is finished.

[Dunn]

Im back.

I'm not a suspect. I say we lynch Dunn today and go from there

So Savage it hurts.
Lynching me is literally only in the best interests of the Savages.
#bemoreobvious

True...

I am seeing Leary GF
Ballard N1
Morgan N2
Hopgood N3
ParkerFailure N4
Unknown Person N5
Killing Begins N6

It might give us wrong assumptions. I don't know. I just cannot figure out a reason why all three players would randomly FoS me based on post style. Ballard was the only one with a semi-intelligent FoS that day.

I support the idea that they FoS'd you as a unit, although do we have sound info on Hopgood? Mason is more likely to be Savage to me, Hopgood got off my train when he realized the situation. I think Leary is a good start. He is either the GF, or the recruit from last night.
Mason/Kalou/Kelso could fill the other spot I suppose.
And I wouldn't rule out Mendez...

[FM Parker]

@Donnelly, Mason CANNOT be the Savage Godfather. He was cleared by the Mafia. Please try again. You have totally jumped on my list of suspects.

[FM Kalou]

You do. I had "known" Black was mafia from rereading day 3. So when Dunn offered him up as a savage, I began to get suspicious. I also "knew" Green wasn't mafia because of the conflict between him and Black.

Taking names out of it, do you think I'd have to be crazy to take Dunn up on his offer to work with him now that we have a semi-halfway lead on the savages? I'd like to have the Kidnapper's help in keeping some of us alive.

by my questions, ive been hinting that a lot of the savage thing is guesswork. you wont even consider the roleblocked guy as GF because he HAD to convert on n1. a failure on n1 would still give the 2 deaths. then your theory on who is savage falls apart.

also consider that dunn could be randomly accusing mafia/nonmafia as savages to throw mafia off the trail.

going back to the day 2 interview, dunn admitting that the consig wrote the interview would help me decide some of the details.

tldr, dunn is walking dead. let the masons deal with the savages. town kills mafia, until we have a 70% chance of getting savage gf

call me pro-savage, but letting go of confirmed and probably lying scum to lynch an unripened plan of who actually is savage is yes, crazy.

wait for phelps, then lynch dunn.

masons should probably attack your other fos on savage. if he doesnt die during the night, the chances for leary to be gf drop to equal with the other people, right?

sorry if this doesnt make sense... i'll clarify if you ask.

[FM Mason]

Do you think it's possible that all three living savages at the time decided to FoS me at once to try and get town points Mason? I know there's a chance you're a savage but I actually think you're a Mason.

Mayhaps. In my head it would be risky to have all the savages try push after the same target, if I was a savage, I would hang back and let the town decide on a consensus on who to lynch before voting. Unless the person being voted up was on my team, then I would try to make a new target that people could agree on. There's always a better target if you try hard enough

[Dunn]

Hey guys, I'm back. Looks like we're in a bit of a predicament. If we lynch Dunn, the obvious kidnapper, we kill a scum (yay), but math dictates that we don't have the numbers to win unless the savages and mafia end up killing each other. Our best chance to win is to lynch the savage godfather today and lynch the remaining savages in the coming days in order to eliminate 1 kpn to buy us time to hunt down all the mafia. But we don't know who the savage godfather is...

Unless we can find the savage godfather today, we might as well lynch Dunn and hope the scums implode. If we're trying for the savage godfather though, I would suggest we lynch Mason, with Black being next in line.

Savage? Or idiot?
Please, someone explain to me why lynching me gives Town any hope? Especially since I am the Town's link to extra information to overcome the Savages.
It's like these people haven't even considered the situation.
Parker your own town might be more harmful than the Mafia. hahahahahaa.

[FM Parker]

@Dunn - Hopgood's Nonsensical Fos [URL"https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323549&viewfull=1#post323549"]Post[/URL]

@Kalou, I've considered that. However, the more savages that are left alive when the Godfather dies, the more that die as a result of his death.

[Dunn]

[QUOTE=FM Kalou;328425]wait for phelps, then lynch dunn./QUOTE]

Question. Why would you just CHOOSE to lose? I don't understand this Town. At all.

[Dunn]

wait for phelps, then lynch dunn.

Question. Why would you just CHOOSE to lose? I don't understand this Town. At all.

Fix'd

[FM Parker]

@Dunn - Hopgood's Nonsensical Fos Post

@Kalou, I've considered that. However, the more savages that are left alive when the Godfather dies, the more that die as a result of his death.

FIXED

[Dunn]

@Dunn - Hopgood's Nonsensical Fos [URL"https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323549&viewfull=1#post323549"]Post[/URL]

@Kalou, I've considered that. However, the more savages that are left alive when the Godfather dies, the more that die as a result of his death.

Savage Godfather is worth 2 kills as long as he is in the first 2 Savages eliminated. If he is 3rd or 4th it is of a single person's value.