Day 4

[FM Lichtmann]

Clarify Monroe, that's not English. he could be either savage gf, troll delta, or he got converted on the first night
Justify Galloway. I know things
Justify Ballard. ballard is against parker. parker was one who pointed out the dding quote from day 2 i think? ballard has possibility to be a cult, but i could see a vice versia type thing or parker maf and ballard is some random delta,

You have yet to respond to my actual reasoning that went along with the list.
your reasoning was because of their voteings if i remember correctly. I am not good at analyzing those. If you have another reason do tell

@ gallow

53. Will newly culted Savages gain (read only) access to the Savages' night chat immediately after being culted (start of day)?


Yes.

directly from faq

@chap the bigg train is the fact he claims witch d1, d2, and today. dont you find it odd witch (if it exists) is targeting biggs over and over?

[FM Lichtmann]

Switzerland has some access issues right now that's why i am answering your qestions with her blessings.



The witch just redirects the action of the gf. If he decided to recruit that night he goes to recruit. If he decided to kill he would kill the target.





out of the feedback list:

Culted:
You were recruited to the savages as a [insert role here]. Night Chat Account: [insert name] Password: [insert password]

They get access to the cult night chat the night they get recruited. They can already read it.

Phelps if i want you to answer my questions for the host i will ask you, I will have the host answer it thank you very much. I can easily talk to the host as well. I rather ask in the open so we all know.

[FM Galloway]

That is not the question I asked Lichtmann

[FM Lichtmann]

That is not the question I asked Lichtmann

Then what did you ask? I don't see it unless I'm derping again. (bet i am)

[FM Monroe]

Woop! Parker's crazy theory actually makes some sense then. Who'd have thunk it?
Not weird at all to use scummy feedback claims as code when you can just use inconspicuous first letter of first post code instead.
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[FM Phelps]

Witch play analysis:

N1 witches Biggs on a target who either died - OR - gave a feedback message Day 1.
N2 witches Biggs again because she thinks that Biggs is [????] on another target nothing happened.

N3 witches Morgan on someone.
N4 witches Morgan again? - or - witched scum last night and they won't tell us. - or - the person who was witched wasn't able to post so far.

What's so scummy about somebody getting witched 2 times in a row? I don't think scum would even claim that they were witched to begin with because they can win together?

[FM Phelps]

Phelps if i want you to answer my questions for the host i will ask you, I will have the host answer it thank you very much. I can easily talk to the host as well. I rather ask in the open so we all know.

The Host has explicitely asked me to tell her when somebody posts a question. No need to be jealous.

[FM Monroe]

Anyway Galloway I would still like to hear your answer to my question. It was not a rhetorical one.

Which post made you reconsider your first vote on Lichtmann and why?

[FM Mendez]

Just finished reading. My initial thoughts -

Cohen flipping Arsonist surprised me. It also confirms in my eyes that Cafarelli is a true invest. If it was our Journalist who wrote the article where the invest claimed in it, then I would say it is likely a consig. Unfortunately, it was probably the corrupt journalist, because a town journalist would keep interviewing to keep town informed on the investigations. I highly doubt Cafarelli is Savage, cuz I believe masons aren't retarded.

I noticed that I was suspected for being a savage by chapman but the reasoning on me was strangely skipped.

Kill on Morgan. Mafia took out a town leader, who was a Savage. I'm having a hard time guessing when he was recruited. I would guess either after Day 1 or Day 2. Savage Gf probably guessed his com and thought he'd be a good cult. Him being a savage makes me agree with Buch, he was probably a PR before conversion. So I will be marking him on my notes as a Gamma. For the lazy
Gamma = Coroner, Detective, Investigator, Journalist, Lookout, Sheriff.

Of course, he can't be Journalist and likely wasn't a detective or investigator. Coroner or Lookout are my guess. There are chances he was an Epsilon, but his playstyle wasn't that of a neutral imo.

About Ryan. We know now that Morgan was an gamma/investigative PR before becoming a savage and he FOS'ed him. Also he was killed night after the FOS? Ryan has been lurking since day 1 and trying to stay neutral. I suspect he is mafia. He can't be savage unless Morgan was converted last night.

Earle - Still actively lurking. Becoming more scummy to me daily.

Dunn - Soft claimed a saving role? Trying to see the motive behind this, and it's hard. Especially since he had no pressure against him. Unless you count Galloway calling you a [bleep] pressure.

I'm still looking into Biggs and Lichtmann. I want to look into their posts about Morgan and Monroe. Monroe is still suspicious, even more know that Morgan flipped savage. I noted the buddying going on between them.

[FM Monroe]

Witch play analysis:

N1 witches Biggs on a target who either died - OR - gave a feedback message Day 1.
N2 witches Biggs again because she thinks that Biggs is [????] on another target nothing happened.

N3 witches Morgan on someone.
N4 witches Morgan again? - or - witched scum last night and they won't tell us. - or - the person who was witched wasn't able to post so far.

What's so scummy about somebody getting witched 2 times in a row? I don't think scum would even claim that they were witched to begin with because they can win together?

I actually agree with this. It's also why I'm not voting up Biggs at this time, even if I would like him to post more, he's currently not here anyway.

It's certainly possible that the witch did double check his role and got confirmation and then left him alone, but there's simply no way for us to tell at this point.

[FM Kelso]

Can you explain the Biggs train to me?
All I see is that he claimed witched twice.

Well:
- He claimed witched 2 time (Could be GF since the witch witched him a second time)
- Arsonist in the neutral spot, it's possible that there's no witch exept it's the random any spot. If no witch, he's lying.
- Stopped claiming witched once the arsonist was dead (Post #51 from FM rose explain it)

[FM Chapman]

@ gallow


directly from faq

@chap the bigg train is the fact he claims witch d1, d2, and today. dont you find it odd witch (if it exists) is targeting biggs over and over?

Biggs didn't claim witched today, only 1 and 2. What I assume happened is that the witch sent him to the night 1 kill coincidentally, and then, thinking he had the GF, tried to witch him again night 2 to be sure.

If you didn't know my reasoning, then why did you call it a 'crapshoot'? You're slipping, Lichtmann.
And no, it had nothing to do with voting patterns.

[FM Lichtmann]

Also chapman you have to look at it like this. Savages cap at 6, if hypothetically they had successful recruits each night they are at 5 right now (gf counts towards the cap). So one is dead right now so savages will only be able to technically cap at 5. If we kill savages gf then half dies (don't know if round up or down and lazy to check). The alphas can deal with them then. odds are clubber does exist.

But something i do want to bring up right now (not to cause a derail but minor point) cardfilla (or whatever the name is) the "invest" said she found something and said she might reveal it later. She has yet to make a new post in a bit

[FM Chapman]

Well:
- He claimed witched 2 time (Could be GF since the witch witched him a second time)
- Arsonist in the neutral spot, it's possible that there's no witch exept it's the random any spot. If no witch, he's lying.
- Stopped claiming witched once the arsonist was dead (Post #51 from FM rose explain it)

...maybe because he wasn't witched last night?

[FM Mendez]

Woop! Parker's crazy theory actually makes some sense then. Who'd have thunk it?
Not weird at all to use scummy feedback claims as code when you can just use inconspicuous first letter of first post code instead.

heads

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Oh you.

Except you are right, I don't see any reason why they would use that code. I suspect the Random Any is actually the Witch. I need to go back and see who it was that was sure there was a killing neutral and the random any was Witch on day 1. Despite any neutral kills.

[FM Lichtmann]

Biggs didn't claim witched today, only 1 and 2. What I assume happened is that the witch sent him to the night 1 kill coincidentally, and then, thinking he had the GF, tried to witch him again night 2 to be sure.

If you didn't know my reasoning, then why did you call it a 'crapshoot'? You're slipping, Lichtmann.
And no, it had nothing to do with voting patterns.

Im done with you. I misread the first post he made today.

You gave your reasoning to gallow but it was dumb. If you want to lead a train on me go ahead.

[FM Kelso]

I'll be back later. (Maybe)

[FM Mendez]

heads
Oh you.

Except you are right, I don't see any reason why they would use that code. I suspect the Random Any is actually the Witch. I need to go back and see who it was that was sure there was a killing neutral and the random any was Witch on day 1. Despite any neutral kills.

Lol made me mess up my quote monroe. Now i'm saying heads

[FM Bekowsky]

I'm back

I think biggs was doused during night 1 and not witched. He claimed witched to send the arsonist a message that he is a scum. Im assuming that cohen removed the douse on him during night 2 since no one has ever claimed doused. Biggs claimed witched again to confirm that his douse was removed. Biggs also waited untill after Cohen made his fake poisoner claim befeore he claimed witched during day 1, He probably didn't know that the arsonist was going to side with the mafia untill then.

-vote Fm Biggs

Bad logic, imo, cuz..

A) It's a hell of a lot more risky to claim false feedback to communicate with Arsonist saying "Hey, I'm also scum" then it is to simply say "Nothing happened to me last night"
B) Arsonist wouldn't know there is no witch
C) Next to nothing gained compared to the previous "Nothing happened to me last night"

[FM Chapman]

Also chapman you have to look at it like this. Savages cap at 6, if hypothetically they had successful recruits each night they are at 5 right now (gf counts towards the cap). So one is dead right now so savages will only be able to technically cap at 5. If we kill savages gf then half dies (don't know if round up or down and lazy to check). The alphas can deal with them then. odds are clubber does exist.

But something i do want to bring up right now (not to cause a derail but minor point) cardfilla (or whatever the name is) the "invest" said she found something and said she might reveal it later. She has yet to make a new post in a bit

Are you seriously downplaying the threat of the cult? You are seriously not worried about someone stealing our most trusted players and turning them against us? You seem to blindly trust Galloway. What happens if he becomes a savage?

[FM Monroe]

heads
Oh you.

Except you are right, I don't see any reason why they would use that code. I suspect the Random Any is actually the Witch. I need to go back and see who it was that was sure there was a killing neutral and the random any was Witch on day 1. Despite any neutral kills.

That would be me. My mention of possible arsonist, spree killer or devourer that day may be why Cohen began to think I was scum as well. It may well be related to Cohen's FoS on myself, because he doused someone who didn't claim and I was talking about neutral killers. Maybe Galletta or Biggs. I have nothing concrete to prove that though.

[FM Monroe]

Lol made me mess up my quote monroe. Now i'm saying heads

One thing's for certain. Heads will roll!

[FM Chapman]

Im done with you. I misread the first post he made today.

You gave your reasoning to gallow but it was dumb. If you want to lead a train on me go ahead.

that reasoning is what I'm talking about. Don't call it dumb unless you can give your reasoning why it's dumb. Jesus Christ.

[FM Monroe]

I'm back



Bad logic, imo, cuz..

A) It's a hell of a lot more risky to claim false feedback to communicate with Arsonist saying "Hey, I'm also scum" then it is to simply say "Nothing happened to me last night"
B) Arsonist wouldn't know there is no witch
C) Next to nothing gained compared to the previous "Nothing happened to me last night"

Did you read the entire day yet? Or are you just posting comments as you go?

[FM Lichtmann]

Are you seriously downplaying the threat of the cult? You are seriously not worried about someone stealing our most trusted players and turning them against us? You seem to blindly trust Galloway. What happens if he becomes a savage?

IT A [BEEPING] GAME JUST ENJOY IT IF HE BECOMES SAVAGE THEN WELL THATS HOW THE GAME GOES!

I DON'T GET WHY SOME PEOPLE GET SO INVOLVED IN THIS [BEEP]ING [BEEP] SOMETIMES.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do savage recruits immediately get access to savage night chat or do they have to wait until the night to read what was posted before they joined?

He gets access as soon as I'm online after day starts.

[FM Monroe]

He gets access as soon as I'm online after day starts.

Thanks. Michael and Lightman already pointed it out, but it's good to have the host's confirmation nonetheless.

[FM Bekowsky]

Also, while on the subject of missing Arsonist dousing, question for Donnelly...

I'm reading back through peoples posts, and I'm noticing people who had no feedback are either consistently posting that they recieved no feedback from the previous night, or consistently just not claiming feedback. On D1 and D3, you didn't mention feedback at all. However, on D2, you specifically mentioned that you received no feedback. Why?

[FM Hogeboom]

IT A [BEEPING] GAME JUST ENJOY IT IF HE BECOMES SAVAGE THEN WELL THATS HOW THE GAME GOES!

I DON'T GET WHY SOME PEOPLE GET SO INVOLVED IN THIS [BEEP]ING [BEEP] SOMETIMES.

Shhh. Shhh.

[FM Parker]

@Mendez, although unlikely you should consider the possibility that Carafelli was already recruited when he outed and we lack a clubber. I do agree that that most likely scenario is that Carafelli is the true investigator but we shouldn't assume he is blindly.

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I also don't like Biggs claiming he's witched again today. It's too convient. If the witch was done with Biggs after day 2, then why return to Biggs at all? Simplest answer, Biggs is communicating that his convert target failed again. The savages are likely hitting the alphas/betas/or mafia. There's a good chunk of people in the game that cannot be converted into savages.

I bet the cult didn't expect the neutral evil to get lynched so quickly, or they could pass their claims off as the DD. If the group decides to let the hypothetical clubber handle it, I will turn and vote on Galetta who I believe to be the blackmailer. I just feel it is in the town's best interest to confirm the presence of a witch.

The claim of being witched as code is helpful on two fronts. A) It tells the town that the target wasn't bussed or was bussed and successfully converted. It enables the cultists to immediately know who each other are. The first letter of the first post problem is some idiot could post with their letter and wind up miscommunicating he's cult when he isn't. B) The witched claim will get repeated frequently, making it hard for cult to miss who their new ally is or the fact that they didn't get an ally at all.

If Biggs is town, then we will have confirmed a witch is in the game. Therefore, any devourer/arson/neutral killer here claims are automatically wrong. We would have also proven that there is only one more neutral.

[FM Phelps]

Wait what? Biggs was witched again? Where did he say that?

[FM Monroe]

I also don't like Biggs claiming he's witched again today. It's too convient. If the witch was done with Biggs after day 2, then why return to Biggs at all?

Where are you getting the information that the witch returned to him?

Because he claimed no feedback for last night.

[FM Galloway]

Monroe -
I started my pressure on Lichtmann because didn't seem to have a want to think for himself. This continued being a fact until he posted the a,b,c,d list type post which showed some originality. Thus I removed the vote. However based upon his recent postings and a few slips I believe I have seen I do not believe he is town.

[FM Parker]

@chap the bigg train is the fact he claims witch d1, d2, and today. dont you find it odd witch (if it exists) is targeting biggs over and over?

That's post 301 from Lichtmann. I thought I missed Biggs's claim of being witched and hastily took Lichtmann's word. However, I didn't see it when I looked again.

[FM Lichtmann]

That's post 301 from Lichtmann. I thought I missed Biggs's claim of being witched and hastily took Lichtmann's word. However, I didn't see it when I looked again.

I already stated when i looked at his first post i thought he said he was witched or gave an implication he was witched. But what i do find odd now is none have came and claimed witched yet

[FM Galletta]

Yes they can.

Lichtmann is here posting with us. Pressuring him wont do much. If you want to pressure somebody start with Biggs. He doesn't write much or even better start pressuring Galletta...

Pressure me as much as you want, but honestly, it won't change a thing.

[FM Phelps]

Pressure me as much as you want, but honestly, it won't change a thing.

Well if 15 people add their vote on you something definetly will change.

[FM Monroe]

I already stated when i looked at his first post i thought he said he was witched or gave an implication he was witched. But what i do find odd now is none have came and claimed witched yet

I don't find that odd. Because if the witch got scum, they most likely wouldn't claim. Why help the town to that information? There is no way for us to find out. Not even a coroner would see it in this setup. Only a detective or lookout could see it and the detective lies dead since day 2.

[FM Chapman]

IT A [BEEPING] GAME JUST ENJOY IT IF HE BECOMES SAVAGE THEN WELL THATS HOW THE GAME GOES!

I DON'T GET WHY SOME PEOPLE GET SO INVOLVED IN THIS [BEEP]ING [BEEP] SOMETIMES.

This is not a town tell.
I am enjoying myself, I don't enjoy myself if I don't get involved in the game. Why would you bring up enjoyment?
You also didn't respond to the post very well.

[FM Chapman]

Pressure me as much as you want, but honestly, it won't change a thing.

I agree completely.
Pressuring Galletta is useless.
Maybe someone will shoot her tonight?

[FM Monroe]

Pressure me as much as you want, but honestly, it won't change a thing.

Hello. Could you give a short summary of day 2 and give your 2 or 3 strongest scum reads at this time? You were mysteriously absent.

[FM Monroe]

Make that day 2 and day 3.

[FM Leary]

People i find scummy:

Parker
Biggs
Galletta

Parker - i rlly rlly dislike his way of posting, on top of that, he sometimes acts like he's a veteran, other times he acts like he's a firstrate noob who has never seen an FM before. Mixed signals usually indicate scumminess for me
Biggs - ????????????????? I have no idea what he's trying to pull, but i see no reason to have him witched twice without having an effect the witch could confirm. Basically he has to be some kind of night visiting role that actually accomplishes something. Probably scum trying to get out of witching if true.
Galletta - Usual controversy on post style and the blackmailer order.

without further ado i'll vote the person i find most scummy.

-vote FM Parker

[FM Galloway]

Lichtmann is getting worse and worse.

Chapman a few questions:
If we lynch Lichtmann -
Flips town/mafia/witch - reaction?
Do you agree with softclaiming?
Would you choose A or B if A was a sweet potato colored blue and B was a red orange?

[FM Galletta]

I agree completely.
Pressuring Galletta is useless.
Maybe someone will shoot her tonight?

If that's some sort of under-the-blanket Vigilante claim, you can go ahead and shoot me instead of seeking approval from others to appear 'pro-town'.

As of now, I have no information to provide which is not readily available to someone who has been as active as myself.

Lurking -- you're doing it right.

[FM Chapman]

Lichtmann is getting worse and worse.

Chapman a few questions:
If we lynch Lichtmann -
Flips town/mafia/witch - reaction?
Do you agree with softclaiming?
Would you choose A or B if A was a sweet potato colored blue and B was a red orange?

Town-surprised, annoyed, pissed
Mafia-happy
Witch-happy
Soft claiming what?
B. Oranges taste better than sweet potatoes. Also the blue color implies that it's diseased.

[FM Chapman]

If that's some sort of under-the-blanket Vigilante claim, you can go ahead and shoot me instead of seeking approval from others to appear 'pro-town'.

As of now, I have no information to provide which is not readily available to someone who has been as active as myself.

Lurking -- you're doing it right.

'As active as myself'
wat

We aren't asking for hard information. We're asking for you to contribute your thoughts.
Lurking--you're doing it wrong.

[FM Monroe]

If that's some sort of under-the-blanket Vigilante claim, you can go ahead and shoot me instead of seeking approval from others to appear 'pro-town'.

As of now, I have no information to provide which is not readily available to someone who has been as active as myself.

Lurking -- you're doing it right.

Your perception of things is just as valuable as anyone else's. It's not all about hard facts. Why would you pass up on an opportunity to enlighten others? And if you have no desire to say anything, why even play? You could as well ask for a replacement.

[FM Galletta]

'As active as myself'
wat

We aren't asking for hard information. We're asking for you to contribute your thoughts.
Lurking--you're doing it wrong.

I have contributed my thoughts. As of now, Lichtmann would seem to be the best target. He is trying to act like McKelty did before he was hammered.

Also, posting the same redundant thoughts countless times after others =/= being active.

If anything, it just makes you look scummy. Kind of like you hopping on anything that Galloway feeds you.

[FM Parker]

People i find scummy:

Parker
Biggs
Galletta

Parker - i rlly rlly dislike his way of posting, on top of that, he sometimes acts like he's a veteran, other times he acts like he's a firstrate noob who has never seen an FM before. Mixed signals usually indicate scumminess for me
Biggs - ????????????????? I have no idea what he's trying to pull, but i see no reason to have him witched twice without having an effect the witch could confirm. Basically he has to be some kind of night visiting role that actually accomplishes something. Probably scum trying to get out of witching if true.
Galletta - Usual controversy on post style and the blackmailer order.

without further ado i'll vote the person i find most scummy.

I'm not avoiding this but I feel explaining this would be possibly stepping too far into COM claiming. Therefore, I will not. However, you should have more evidence than "post style" before claiming someone as scum.