Day 6

[Dunn]

defense was required to keep it realistic^^
anyway, it's still possible the mafia is faking the bm to clear me.
or the mafia knew that carruthers was going to reveal the bm which would clear me aswell (which might be exactly what they wanted) ;)

anyway, this night doctor should use random.org to heal either me or parker.
if you agree to this plan i'm sure the doc will do it and that ensures that neither of us will die i hope

and your notes have some problems:
1) morgan was a citizen according to coroner
2) most of players in this game cannot be recruited so finding someone who can't be recruited wouldn't make them auto believe you're mafia. and they would they an investigation on someone they cannot recruit anyway while they're looking for recruits
3) just besides: a roleblock was only missing n3
4) maybe hopgood just likes to hammer^^ like buggy last game and he was town

what i agree:
1) ballard was converted n1. it makes sense to get an invest at first, also ballard soft claimed invest (is a "member of a higher class") on d1, which he woulnd't if he still was delta
2) morgan was converted n2. he faked the bm. dunno why. might be the reason the maf killed him

now i got a new theory: the drug dealer had a student
that explains the new drug deal (if no host error) though there were never 2 drug deals. also there must be a neutral left. furthermore i can understand why a student picks buchwalter as mentor.
discuss!

oh and about ryan's bd. he could still be lying, meaing he was scum.
anyway, i think he doesn't lie, nor did ballard. i think dunn lied. he never swapped the 2 dead ppl. he just told so to look more bd and less kidnapper ;)


just noticed dunn's reveal. will read and respond soon

Nah, I swapped the dead people.

[FM Parker]

Dunn if you are serious about this, because this is a HUGE risk to take on my end, I'm going to need some savage suspects for our masons to clobber. I'm not sure yet, but it's possible.

Can the Godfather send his minions to kill in the alternative? Ex: If I am roleblocked, the Consigliere makes the kill.

[FM Kalou]

Also, Ballard was savaged night 1. It's the only way the actions of the savages make sense. Either the Savage Godfather got immensely lucky with a regular recruit or Ballard was not a savage. I can post my long hand notes from my will to support this if you'd like.

My previous post blackmailer should blackmail not be dead. Obviously.

As for Ballard, he was savaged night 1. No other logical reason.

Tracking the Savages

The second escort was savaged night 2
Premise: Cafarelli was drugged n1, n3 and n5.
Premise: If the mafia had two drug dealers, then Cafarelli would have been drugged n4.
Observation: Cafarelli was not drugged n4.
Conclusion: Because Cafarelli was not drugged n4, then the mafia only have one drug dealer.
Premise: There is no second drug dealer to explain why the roleblocker was present the first two nights.

Morgan was savaged night 2
Observation: The drug dealer was blocked night 2.
Observation: Colmyer suicided because his blackmail on night 3 was genuine, and he revealed his genuine night 2 blackmail.
Conclusion: With no blackmail/drug available for Morgan's "blackmail", Morgan was a savaged by this point and faking blackmailed to look town. It also hides a huge shift in his speech pattern.
Conclusion: Morgan was savaged by Day 2.
Observation: Morgan flipped regular savage.
Conclusion: Morgan was a PR role recruited under a "recruit as".
Observation: The only feedback that changed was the loss of an "block" nights 3 and 4. No other loss of feedback occurred.
Conclusion: Morgan was a savaged escort, or a PR with no feedback whatsoever to the group.
Observation: Escorts cannot be savaged.
Observation: Morgan shifted from asking a lot of protown questions on Day 1, to trolling Blackmail Day 2.
Likely Conclusion: Morgan was savaged Night 2.

Hopgood's a Savage
Observation: Hopgood ends the day rapidly on Biggs.
Likely Conclusion: Hopgood is not on Biggs's faction and benefits from shorter days.
Likely Conclusion: Hopgood is poor mafia or a savage.
Observation: Hopgood ends the day rapidly on Buchwalter.
Likely Conclusion: Hopgood is not mafia.
Likely Conclusion: Because Hopgood is not mafia and not town, Hopgood is likely a savage.

Ballard's Savage on Night 1
Premise: My analysis on Morgan is accurate.
Conclusion: Ballard was not savaged Day 2.
Observation: Ballard and Hopgood randomly FoS Parker, who is "blatantly town", even according to the mafia on Day 4.
Observation: Savages wouldn't FoS someone so openly unless it gained them town points.
Conclusion: The savages thought Parker was the Godfather.
Premise: If the savages thought Parker was the Godfather, they likely attempted to convert and recruit as Parker.
Observation: Mayors and Godfathers cannot be converted.
Likely Conclusion: The Savages got a notice that Parker could not be converted.
Likely Conclusion: This triggered their FoS on Parker.

Premise: If the above analysis is accurate, the savages need a night to attempt to convert Parker and a night to investigate him.
Premise: Then, Ballard must be Savaged by Night 2.
Premise: If the Morgan analysis is accurate, then Ballard could not have been Savaged on night 2 because Morgan was savaged.
Premise: The only remaining night to savage Ballard is on Day 1.

Escorts cannot be savaged

[FM Hopgood]

@Hopgood. Then humor me. What is your opinion of Mendez, Lichtmann, Leary and Black?

Lichtmann is aggressive and trolly
He make rage posts and caps and spam explanation point (!) in some of his posts
Probably delta/savage
What I think of Black is similar to most people. I think he could be mafia
Mendez seem like a town to me, she is active, doesn't derail from anything and kept calm when fos on her.
Leary is lurky and sneaky. I don't think he have an avatar picture. It seem like he's hiding something(both town or scums) or he's a terrible delta

[FM Parker]

and your notes have some problems:
1) morgan was a citizen according to coroner You mean the coroner who is suspiciously blackmailed..., no They would have recruited Morgan using a recruit as on night 2. The GF is still randomly guessing. Morgan was NOT a delta.
2) most of players in this game cannot be recruited so finding someone who can't be recruited wouldn't make them auto believe you're mafia. and they would they an investigation on someone they cannot recruit anyway while they're looking for recruits No, that is correct. However, the mayor's pairing is Mayor/Godfathers/Deltas/Jesters/Survivor. My play is obviously not the latter two. They took the shot FoSing me would lead to me being the Mafia Don and getting major town points.
3) just besides: a roleblock was only missing n3 Cannot figure out why this is..., but I don't see how it's revelant
4) maybe hopgood just likes to hammer^^ like buggy last game and he was town Maybe Hopgood is town but I find his actions awfully suspicious for someone who is town.

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@Kalou, you're right. I had to go back and redo my work. I missed the heading.

[Dunn]

Dunn if you are serious about this, because this is a HUGE risk to take on my end, I'm going to need some savage suspects for our masons to clobber. I'm not sure yet, but it's possible.

Can the Godfather send his minions to kill in the alternative? Ex: If I am roleblocked, the Consigliere makes the kill.

It is both a risk and your only hope.
My Savage lead? It's simple. Who stepped into today looking to follow your lead.

FM Black.
His first post matches one I made on the first day.

PR hits are hard to take. Parker, before we start voting, lets wait and see our gathered info. Is Dunn going to be our main target ATM?

Asking people to hold off on making an assumption of the target. But then he asks you if I am the main goal. It is a fake 'cautious town' act, that then latches onto you to further look like an ally.

FM Mason

The same jump to lynch.

Are we lynching phelps today? That's what we're totally doing right?

These two wish to get out of today alive, and want to prey on the Town's mostly assurance of myself and Phelps to end the day early. (mind you I am at L-5, a 2 person gap with the Mayor, and it has yet to be a day)

I will only mention these names at the moment. But the Savages want a quick lynch and have voted, or will be voting soon.

[FM Ackerman]

What if savages recruited caruthers night before last. He has to explain the change tells savages to kill and fakes bm to cover his tracks.

[FM Kalou]

It is both a risk and your only hope.
My Savage lead? It's simple. Who stepped into today looking to follow your lead.

FM Black.
His first post matches one I made on the first day.



Asking people to hold off on making an assumption of the target. But then he asks you if I am the main goal. It is a fake 'cautious town' act, that then latches onto you to further look like an ally.

FM Mason

The same jump to lynch.



These two wish to get out of today alive, and want to prey on the Town's mostly assurance of myself and Phelps to end the day early. (mind you I am at L-5, a 2 person gap with the Mayor, and it has yet to be a day)

I will only mention these names at the moment. But the Savages want a quick lynch and have voted, or will be voting soon.

Didu just confirm phelps as mafia?

[Dunn]

What if savages recruited caruthers night before last. He has to explain the change tells savages to kill and fakes bm to cover his tracks.

Caruthers is on my list for Savages too Ackerman.

[FM Carruthers]

What if savages recruited caruthers night before last. He has to explain the change tells savages to kill and fakes bm to cover his tracks.

If I were a savage, why would I reveal and using fake BM? I would of kept it secret and "beneficially" lie that the Savage Investigator used to be an Investigator.

[Dunn]

Didu just confirm phelps as mafia?

And we have found another Savage.
You can think that if you wish Kalou, Town is assured that Phelps is Mafia, and thus people, er Savages, are acting like it.

[FM Parker]

@Kalou, everyone knew Phelps was mafia.

@Everyone, our primary target should be to find the Savage Godfather. Lynching him would likely cause multiple scums to fall.

[FM Hopgood]

If I were a savage, why would I reveal and using fake BM? I would of kept it secret and "beneficially" lie that the Savage Investigator used to be an Investigator.

Because when you were converted, you lost you power and need to prove to the town that youre still town by demoting to 'delta'

[FM Carruthers]

Hm, just giving my thoughts : I used to suspect Leary for Savage, but I have forgotten why.

[FM Carruthers]

Because when you were converted, you lost you power and need to prove to the town that youre still town by demoting to 'delta'

In the same logic, if there was no BM - I would have revealed and not get demoted, remaining as the Coroner who can take LW's?

[FM Parker]

@Dunn, not quite ready to jump off that bridge yet but getting closer. I want a total role list of all the mafia still in the game (names withheld) and any work your consigliere did. If we are going to find the Savages, we must have all the information out here. Also factor in that the Savages likely have many investigators now.

[FM Kalou]

And we have found another Savage.
You can think that if you wish Kalou, Town is assured that Phelps is Mafia, and thus people, er Savages, are acting like it.

I dont necesarilly believe phelps is 100% mafia. I dont have day 2-4 as a knowledge base, yet. As i said before, roles list meta is retarded.

But this was before you just confirmed him.

[FM Kalou]

I dont necesarilly believe phelps is 100% mafia. I dont have day 2-4 as a knowledge base, yet. As i said before, roles list meta is retarded.

But this was before you just confirmed him.

Stupid lag posting. Idea doesnt make sense after parkers post.

[FM Mason]

I'm all about killing the mafias.

-vote FM Dunn

[FM Hopgood]

I think mason is savage

[FM Kalou]

I think mason is savage

I dont think he gives a [bleep]. Hes not on my savage list.

[FM Mason]

No dude. I ain't no savage. Have you seen my voting patterns?
I didn't vote FM McKelty (Delta)
I voted FM Cohen (Arsonist)
I didn't vote FM Biggs (Delta)
I voted FM Buchwalter (Drug Dealer)

I am 100% town based on my votes.

[Dunn]

@Dunn, not quite ready to jump off that bridge yet but getting closer. I want a total role list of all the mafia still in the game (names withheld) and any work your consigliere did. If we are going to find the Savages, we must have all the information out here. Also factor in that the Savages likely have many investigators now.

Godfather
Drug Dealer
Kidnapper
Blackmailer
Consigliere

We acted on most of our information already, for obvious reasons.
n1- Bishop- Disguiser / Poisoner / Detective (Savage) / Journalist (Savage) / Lookout (Savage) / Corrupt Journalist
n2- Becket- Disguiser / Poisoner / Detective (Savage) / Journalist (Savage) / Lookout (Savage) / Corrupt Journalist
n3- Morgan- Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer
n4- Ballard- Consigliere / Framer / Investigator (Savage) / Sheriff (Savage) / Executioner
n5- Mason- Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer
n6- Idk yet

No dude. I ain't no savage. Have you seen my voting patterns?
I didn't vote FM McKelty (Delta)
I voted FM Cohen (Arsonist)
I didn't vote FM Biggs (Delta)
I voted FM Buchwalter (Drug Dealer)

I am 100% town based on my votes.

Your voting patterns have managed to
Mckelty: sheep, mislynch
Cohen: sheep
Biggs: sheep, mislynch
Buchwalter: sheep the Mayor

Your votes show no interest in trying. I am more pro-town than you, Mason.

-vote FM Mason

[FM Mason]

You can't vote me, kidnapper. That's against the rules.

[Dunn]

incorrect.

[FM Hopgood]

-vote fm mason

Unless youre masons or bodyguard, youre savage

Not sure if mayor want to get mafia or savage first

[FM Kalou]

If an investigator investigates, and is druged 'no feedback' will the invest recieve the result and the no feedback feedback

[Dunn]

-vote fm mason

Unless youre masons or bodyguard, youre savage

Not sure if mayor want to get mafia or savage first

If Mayor wanted Mafia first I wouldn't have claimed. It is simple, Town needs to eliminate the KPN as fast as possible, and that means the Savages have to go. You might have a clubber to help you out, and if so your chances look decent. But if you commit to the Mafia you will lose.

[Dunn]

If an investigator investigates, and is druged 'no feedback' will the invest recieve the result and the no feedback feedback

He gets nothing at all.

[FM Mason]

Yea okay Hopgood. The mafia kidnapper named four dead people and then listed me as savage because someone previously accused me of being savage, and Dunn thought maybe he could derail his lynch and try to pressure me. And you fell for it.

I claim not savage. And I haven't lied yet.

[FM Parker]

Good. So that confirms that the student was a drug dealer.

That also means that Chapman is NOT the executioner. Interesting. A student joined the mafia.

Also, let the town handle Mason. The town can handle Savages.

[Dunn]

Yea okay Hopgood. The mafia kidnapper named four dead people and then listed me as savage because someone previously accused me of being savage, and Dunn thought maybe he could derail his lynch and try to pressure me. And you fell for it.

I claim not savage. And I haven't lied yet.

Question Mason. Why were our night kills so damn Power Role effective?
We find.
We kill.

[Dunn]

Good. So that confirms that the student was a drug dealer.

That also means that Chapman is NOT the executioner. Interesting. A student joined the mafia.

Also, let the town handle Mason. The town can handle Savages.

What?

[FM Mason]

kay Dunce . kill me tonight then. I ain't even mad.

[FM Parker]

@Dunn, if we have a clubber, he has two shots tonight. If Mason dies, you outed the enforcer which is a huge problem and goes totally against our tentative agreement.

[Dunn]

kay Dunce . kill me tonight then. I ain't even mad.

Nah. But nice name

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Spoiler : FM History :

FM 18- FM Dunce: Kidnapper

[Dunn]

@Dunn, if we have a clubber, he has two shots tonight. If Mason dies, you outed the enforcer which is a huge problem and goes totally against our tentative agreement.

As best I see it he is a Savage. Best I can do man. And im pretty sure he would claim.

[FM Mason]

You can tell that I'm mad when I resort to name-calling.

*whew* I need to take a break and cool off.

[FM Mason]

Just have the Mason target Mason tonight.

*laughter*

[FM Hopgood]

I dont think he gives a [bleep]. Hes not on my savage list.

He is probably savage as well

[FM Kalou]

-vote fm mason

Unless youre masons or bodyguard, youre savage

Not sure if mayor want to get mafia or savage first

Disinterested cit, calling it now, just like i called buch and am calling ryan.

[FM Parker]

Actually, you haven't been doing the best. You've left some kernels of truth but the bulk of this has been lies.

Black is your consigliere, yet you put him down on your suspect list for savages. Carruthers is your Godfather. This deal is done out of desperation. You have supposed the savages are at max capacity. I disagree. The savages are killing now because they need deaths to happen. The odds of the savages reaching max capacity are SLIM as all hell. This sounds like a gambit to avoid having the mafia be lynched. Even if they did, they have only 5 more people, which we can handle with masons.

Black is your consigliere because he "investigated" Becket night 2. On day 3, he admits that he targeted Becket.

I don't appreciate being lied to Dunn.

[FM Galloway]

Mendez: obvious scum or very bad delta, didn't vote on the train yesterday, if i remember correctly didn't vote on the trains that went against the scums. Only voted on the trains against deltas.

Lichmann: OH IT ME! HAI ME!

Leary: I would make a joke saying that becasue he has no avatar hes obviously scum but, due to his lack of post i would consider him delta/scum

Black: was around for a lot of votings and was in the game but never contributed much

I"m tired so I'm going to sleep right now. I might be on later

Why did no one question this [bleep] post Litchmann cannot be town with this kind of post here.

Carrthuas is probably telling the truth about being blackmailed and he is town because of it. It also helped us primarily confirm Cafarelli as town as well since it was already very unlikely that he was savage and now we know he isn't mafia, unless mafia are pulling a reverse psychology act.


Based on the Savage drops so far I'm conlcuding that they didn't go for lurkers so much as active players.
Hopgood, Mason, Chapman, Fontane
All seem like likely Savage targets to me.


Also Parker you need to organize this day. What are we doing?

[Dunn]

Actually, you haven't been doing the best. You've left some kernels of truth but the bulk of this has been lies.

Black is your consigliere, yet you put him down on your suspect list for savages. Carruthers is your Godfather. This deal is done out of desperation. You have supposed the savages are at max capacity. I disagree. The savages are killing now because they need deaths to happen. The odds of the savages reaching max capacity are SLIM as all hell. This sounds like a gambit to avoid having the mafia be lynched. Even if they did, they have only 5 more people, which we can handle with masons.

Black is your consigliere because he "investigated" Becket night 2. On day 3, he admits that he targeted Becket.

I don't appreciate being lied to Dunn.

Black isnt our Consigliere, and Carruthers isnt our Godfather.
Savages are at maximum size becasue they would recruit instead of kill it they werent... Recruits are more powerful than kills.
Black did claim to target Becket, but he did it on the night that we killed him, not the night before. He then obviously claims a WIFOMing Citizen.

I have lied none... I claimed Kidnapper

[FM Kelso]

Hey guys, sorry I've been busy last day.

Nothing happened to me last night.

Too bad we lost 2 Town PR but hey... at least we got the DD...

Will read this day and post later. (As soon as possible)

[FM Parker]

@Galloway, I had a plan going into this. I'm strongly in favor of lynching Dunn today. Yet, the plan got blown to hell. So I am collecting information to make a new plan.

[FM Rose]

The players voting on Mason are obviously scums. Mason is either a Mason or a normal savage without any power.
The only savage we need to lynch is the savage godfather.

[Dunn]

@Galloway, I had a plan going into this. I'm strongly in favor of lynching Dunn today. Yet, the plan got blown to hell. So I am collecting information to make a new plan.

If you lynch a non-Savage. You lose.

[FM Cafarelli]

ok guys here i am

Let's do it. My death seems imminent so might as well gambit time.
I am, in fact, the Kidnapper. To take away the minor chance for a 2nd Bus Driver.
I want you to take a look at the roles list, however. Take your time.

Godfather
Kidnapper
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Savage Godfather
Savage
Savage
Savage
Witch
Hidden Epsilon
Mayor
Mason Something
Coroner -> Delta
Escort
Journalist?
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta

Where is your protection Parker? We know who the Escort is and they will die to us tonight, but I ask you. Who are the Savages?
It will take you 10 day to eliminate the Mafia, Savages, and Witch, and will only take them a combined 7 nights to eliminate you.
If you managed to kill the Mafia over the next 5 days you would lose 8 Town members in the chase, leaving you with 5, to match the 4 Savages+Witch. Then you would lose another the next night to asure your defeat.
If you manages to kill the Savages over the next 4 days you would lose 6 Town members in the hunt, leaving you with 7, to overcome the 5 Mafia+Witch. Then you would lose another the next night to give you a nice tie and loss unless the Benign decides to screw things up.

I ask you this.. how are your odds Parker? Not good.

I request my life. I am the only protective type role that will be around if you allow me to live through the day, and as much as you need something to overcome this dire situation, we need something to asure our victory over the Savages. We can battle it out later, but the Savages know the math too, and they won't be hitting me.

Where are they Parker? What are you going to do when there is no one left to protect you? I can't win with you, but you can't win without me.

Lose for sure, or see what happens. Make your choice.

P.S. Vote Parker for Sacremanto's 2 term Mayor this election!

And I'm not sure what it means, but I wasn't role blocked last night.

so let's start. what do your posts confirm:
- you are kidnapper ofc.
- you have a consig
- it confirms some people as non mafia
- mason is mason/savage
- mafia is desperate and needs town's cooperation to win
- there is a witch
- there is a second dd
- i am not mafia

you forgot some things:
1) we might have a vigi
2) we sure have a doc, how the fuck would you know
3) masons kill savages
4) if we get the savage gf many savages die
5) mafia and savages WILL kill each other. savages will kill maf, don't worry especially now that maf is a bigger threat for them than town. you forget that (if town lost for sure) it's most likely OUR decision who wins. so i want YOU co cooperate and not you us. or we will just let the savages win. your consig list is a good start. but i want more
a) who was bmed n1 and n4
b) what did your second drug dealer do all the time
c) who is the escort and how do you know it (unless if it's phelps)
d) DO NOT DRUG DEAL ME EVER AGAIN (host confirmed there was no mistake) also don't kill me that's ofc. after all i can help to find those savages ;)
e) kill as many savages as possible. same for savages, kill them mafs
f) who did you really swap all the time and why did you swap your kill targets

parker you should tell them you agree with my plan to request their cooperation or else we'll side with savage

It doesnt say this in the role card. Maybe host clarified this for the mafia? I always thought u were invest. Except for now.

read the past few days lol

and your notes have some problems:
1) morgan was a citizen according to coroner You mean the coroner who is suspiciously blackmailed..., no They would have recruited Morgan using a recruit as on night 2. The GF is still randomly guessing. Morgan was NOT a delta. i still believe the blackmail and the coroner claim. can you rephrase the second part?
2) most of players in this game cannot be recruited so finding someone who can't be recruited wouldn't make them auto believe you're mafia. and they would they an investigation on someone they cannot recruit anyway while they're looking for recruits No, that is correct. However, the mayor's pairing is Mayor/Godfathers/Deltas/Jesters/Survivor. My play is obviously not the latter two. They took the shot FoSing me would lead to me being the Mafia Don and getting major town points. ok it's true they might have invest you, then try to recruit you and so they knew you're mayor/gf
3) just besides: a roleblock was only missing n3 Cannot figure out why this is..., but I don't see how it's revelant not relevant, just besides because you said missing rb since n3
4) maybe hopgood just likes to hammer^^ like buggy last game and he was town Maybe Hopgood is town but I find his actions awfully suspicious for someone who is town.

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@Kalou, you're right. I had to go back and redo my work. I missed the heading.

white answers

In the same logic, if there was no BM - I would have revealed and not get demoted, remaining as the Coroner who can take LW's?

I still want you to confirm you were blackmailed n6 and not n5 and also not both night

@Dunn, if we have a clubber, he has two shots tonight. If Mason dies, you outed the enforcer which is a huge problem and goes totally against our tentative agreement.

yep he has 2 shots tonight, that's good. mason will definitely die tonight, no matter what he is because either masons or savages will kill him. i suspect him to be savage rather than mason so no doc on him pls.
parker you have soma too. bd is dead so you can give me the soma.
anyway, we will DEFINITELY not lynch a regular savage tonight. if at all we get the savage gf.

also no, savages are definitely NOT at max size. they had 5 nights to recruit, failing never is NOT likely

[Dunn]

The players voting on Mason are obviously scums. Mason is either a Mason or a normal savage without any power.
The only savage we need to lynch is the savage godfather.

Savage Godfather is the best lynch for you, but lynching anything other than a member of the Savages makes the Town have too far to go to eliminate the KPN.