Day 6

[FM Hopgood]

Yeah on day four. This Post

Yeah it was for colymer

[FM Hopgood]

Just finished reading all of that posts

[FM Hopgood]

Any questions you want me to answer?

[FM Ackerman]

Any questions you want me to answer?

Will you have your godfather shoot me tonight, to test my vest?

[FM Hopgood]

Will you have your godfather shoot me tonight, to test my vest?

What make you think I'm mafia?

[FM Parker]

What make you think I'm mafia?

First question and you already forgot about the Savage Godfather...

How long have you been in the Savage Godfather business?

He cannot be the Savage Godfather. He's a savage alright but Hopgood was blocked n1 by Monroe.

[Dunn]

He cannot be the Savage Godfather. He's a savage alright but Hopgood was blocked n1 by Monroe.

It was a joke mostly :P

[FM Hopgood]

First question and you already forgot about the Savage Godfather...



He cannot be the Savage Godfather. He's a savage alright but Hopgood was blocked n1 by Monroe.

Wait savage have a godfather? If so wow... Lmao I am a terrible player

[Dunn]

Any questions you want me to answer?

How long have you been in the Savage Godfather business?

[FM Hopgood]

How long have you been in the Savage Godfather business?

Huh?

[FM Ackerman]

Huh?

Dunn got the same impression I did.

[Dunn]

I remind you that any Savage is as valuable today as tomorrow. That the Savage Godfather is worth 2 tomorrow as well. We should make Savages, at all, the priority.

[FM Ackerman]

-Hammer FM Dunn

[Forum Mafia GM]

-Hammer FM Dunn

That's not a real vote.

[Dunn]

That's not a real vote.

You don't say..

[FM Galloway]

Reading Day four now

[Dunn]

IF TOWN WANTS TO WIN THEY WILL LYNCH THE SAVAGES FIRST, AND IN SEQUENCE OVER THE NEXT 3/4 DAYS. ANYONE SUGGESTING A STRATEGY THAT SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS HEREBY DEEMED A SAVAGE OR NEEDS TO STOP PLAYING FM's.

Parker, please confirm.

[FM Leary]

IF TOWN WANTS TO WIN THEY WILL LYNCH THE SAVAGES FIRST, AND IN SEQUENCE OVER THE NEXT 3/4 DAYS. ANYONE SUGGESTING A STRATEGY THAT SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS HEREBY DEEMED A SAVAGE OR NEEDS TO STOP PLAYING FM's.

Parker, please confirm.

lynch you now, lynch savage godfather tomorrow.
Mislynch a town today - possibly snowball this into a loss
Seeing how we have sufficient numbers to warrant a sure scumkill today, we should know more tomorrow. I also insistently believe that we have some sort of town kpn, otherwise handling cult would be impossible.

Nuff said, and you're getting on my nerves with your cheap ass ploy to get Parker killed.
Since i also think that we have a doctor, the mafia is probably planning on doing away with parker tonight. Bus him - kill him, so no heal on Parker possible.

[FM Hopgood]

Any questions before i sleep?

[Dunn]

Any questions before i sleep?

Who are the other savages?

[FM Hopgood]

Who are the other savages?

Im not sure but i got savages read on those two
Mason, and that boat avatar guy, kalou or something

[Dunn]

Why did you FoS me in post 77? You know that question you skipped.

@Dunn, I'm not sure we need to go in sequence if the last savage is known and we can use the escort to block him. However, we do need to get the KPN down per night. This is too dangerous for my liking. I know who all the mafia are anyway, so I can post them at day's end.

If Dunn backstabs us and has me killed, rather than bussing me, the town will just give the mafia a big FU and hand the game to the savages.

Give me a couple of hours (and Galloway's opinion) before I make up my mind on the right path.

Backstabbing like 65% of the game isnt my deal at the moment Parker.

We have no concrete leads on savages. So the increase chance comes at a cost.

A cost of what? your 0% chance to win if you don't side with us?

Im not sure but i got savages read on those two
Mason, and that boat avatar guy, kalou or something

Great job.

[Dunn]

A cost of what? your 0% chance to win if you don't side with us?

As Parker just said. They can either try to win, or hand the game to the Savages.

[FM Parker]

Any questions before i sleep?

Why did you FoS me in post 77? You know that question you skipped.

@Dunn, I'm not sure we need to go in sequence if the last savage is known and we can use the escort to block him. However, we do need to get the KPN down per night. This is too dangerous for my liking. I know who all the mafia are anyway, so I can post them at day's end.

If Dunn backstabs us and has me killed, rather than bussing me, the town will just give the mafia a big FU and hand the game to the savages.

Give me a couple of hours (and Galloway's opinion) before I make up my mind on the right path.

[FM Hopgood]

Why did you FoS me in post 77? You know that question you skipped.

@Dunn, I'm not sure we need to go in sequence if the last savage is known and we can use the escort to block him. However, we do need to get the KPN down per night. This is too dangerous for my liking. I know who all the mafia are anyway, so I can post them at day's end.

If Dunn backstabs us and has me killed, rather than bussing me, the town will just give the mafia a big FU and hand the game to the savages.

Give me a couple of hours (and Galloway's opinion) before I make up my mind on the right path.

I have rights to remain silent

[FM Ackerman]

I have rights to remain silent

Patriot Act, you have no rights.

[FM Hopgood]

Patriot Act, you have no rights.

Im not european

[FM Parker]

I have rights to remain silent

In mafia, really, you're going that road.... Mafia is located in a fictitious future land. You don't have fifth amendment rights. The Mayor Queen voted to revoke them just for you.

[Dunn]

There probably isnt a Doctor. Also, I don't intend to kill Parker. Or let Parker die.
I have independent control of my bussing action, and if Parker is in our kills target I will prevent it with a kill I find more appropriate.
I need Parker alive to make sure Town can overcome Savages if they stab us in the back.

Also, Leary, you are so Savage it makes me vomit.

[FM Ackerman]

There probably isnt a Doctor. Also, I don't intend to kill Parker. Or let Parker die.
I have independent control of my bussing action, and if Parker is in our kills target I will prevent it with a kill I find more appropriate.
I need Parker alive to make sure Town can overcome Savages if they stab us in the back.

Also, Leary, you are so Savage it makes me vomit.

I'm gonna go count your savage claims :P

[Dunn]

I'm gonna go count your savage claims :P

Yea, I think a lot of people could be, potentially.

[FM Leary]

Lying is your forte. Town does NOT lose if we lynch the savage GF tomorrow. Having you alive is more than an immense risk.
Since i'm going to sleep and might not be on for the rest of Day 6, i'll just leave this here.

-vote FM Dunn

[Dunn]

Lying is your forte. Town does NOT lose if we lynch the savage GF tomorrow. Having you alive is more than an immense risk.
Since i'm going to sleep and might not be on for the rest of Day 6, i'll just leave this here.

-vote FM Dunn

Town has the best bet to kill Savages. With Savage Godfather being a potential bonus. I have made sure to note that taking my course is a betterment for them. Then things like a Clubber or the SG are added bonuses.
Worst case scenario with the Mafia is better than worse case with the Savages.
Bonuses are bonus, but be smart.

[FM Galloway]

Hopgood

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post324153

Short simple useless answers with no verification or explanation. Saying it now these things are signs of active lurking which is scummy.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323549

Lulz and admitted sheeping. both of these phrases are not town oriented. compared this with his general activity is a sign that this guy is not a town role...or is just a very very very bad player.

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https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post324015

Clearly agitated and spiteful of a very pro town players during the time. Leary wants him out of the way. He does not say lynched but just out of the way. the phrase is also in connection with a player who is not town, based on past FMs.


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323989


Another sign of active lurking. None of his reads here are explained enough to have a valid basis. His answers are short and lacking in insight or depth and the people he suspects are the ones being suspected practically all along. Sheeping.

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Ballard's connection to Hopgood

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post324158


Ballard shows that he doesn't want to be fully ignoring Hopgoods presence but he also doesn't want to much suspicion on Hopgood. He writes his message here to give off a cool vibe while it goes against most of his actual play, mimicking myself here, and its a subtle level two wifom connection that has been uncovered. He brushes off Hopgood while not finding his answers scummy when they were.

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Bonus - Kelso

Keep an eye on this one. He doesn't seem to give depth in his posts and they skirt the top of issues that normally are debated on more heavily.

[FM Parker]

@Galloway, here's the 100% question... how right/wrong would it be to lynch Leary today and then plan out the night actions including Dunn's

[FM Galloway]

@Galloway, here's the 100% question... how right/wrong would it be to lynch Leary today and then plan out the night actions including Dunn's

Its a risk. A huge risk to take letting a confirmed scum live another day to scheme with his allies. We can plan all we want and thats no problem but here we are relying on a scum to help us move on to success. We cannot let the day go without a lynch thats for sure but we cannot blindly trust Dunn the scum here. Leary is definatly showing scum colors and with Dunn trying to lynch him we can be assured that Leary is at least not mafia. I can agree with pressure and going from there but out right lyching based on a scum's word is ridiculous. Besides, if anything I would feel much better lynching Hopgood, based on his connection with Ballard, than Leary based on Dunns word. However my stance is solely based on the fact that it is a scum telling us what to do. If there is anything else showing that Leary is put on the spotlight because of things not related to Dunn I am more willing to pursue him. Based on my own investigations I can come to the conclusion that Leary has played before and that would mean he is more skilled at blending and his posts support that aspect of things.

tl;dr If there is more to Leary than Dunns word yes. Otherwise no.

[FM Parker]

Its a risk. A huge risk to take letting a confirmed scum live another day to scheme with his allies. We can plan all we want and thats no problem but here we are relying on a scum to help us move on to success. We cannot let the day go without a lynch thats for sure but we cannot blindly trust Dunn the scum here. Leary is definatly showing scum colors and with Dunn trying to lynch him we can be assured that Leary is at least not mafia. I can agree with pressure and going from there but out right lyching based on a scum's word is ridiculous. Besides, if anything I would feel much better lynching Hopgood, based on his connection with Ballard, than Leary based on Dunns word. However my stance is solely based on the fact that it is a scum telling us what to do. If there is anything else showing that Leary is put on the spotlight because of things not related to Dunn I am more willing to pursue him. Based on my own investigations I can come to the conclusion that Leary has played before and that would mean he is more skilled at blending and his posts support that aspect of things.

tl;dr If there is more to Leary than Dunns word yes. Otherwise no.

Leary had actually FoSed me on Day 4. So had Hopgood. Ballard did too. It links the three together in a nice little package. That's why I started this route.

[FM Galloway]

Leary had actually FoSed me on Day 4. So had Hopgood. Ballard did too. It links the three together in a nice little package. That's why I started this route.

Fos together, all have shoddy reasons. My own findings.

Yeah I can agree with lynching Leary.

[FM Ackerman]

Parker is betting the farm on Leary and Hopgood.

-vote FM Leary

[FM Galloway]

FM Dunn (10 [L-2]):
FM Ryan, FM Cafarelli, FM Rose, FM Lichtmann, FM Ackerman, FM Mason, FM Donnelly, FM Mendez, FM Fontaine, FM Leary

Stop it now. What the [bleep] is wrong with you colossal moron!? Its barely been any time at all into day and we're at L-2!
Stop trying to send our only chance at full communication into the trash with your stupidity!

[Dunn]

I will be having a say in my own actions. However, they will be discussed.

[FM Hopgood]

Hey Parker you still there?

[FM Kelso]

Finally done reading. Again sorry for my lurking, I had so much stuff to do.

Dunn never voted for Buchwalter. Heck he even tried to defend him til the last moment.
He's the kidnapper, nothing more, nothing less.

I also pointed out the possibility of hardcore lurkers being scum, since they aren't even suspected at this point, atleast from what i can tell, given Parker asking for reads.

Who is Green? Where did Kelso disappear to?

Kelso might've been a gamma turned Savage. Green no idea, i don't even remember reading any of his posts, so probably scum.

I didn't disapeared, I was busy, as I said last day. And I was reading as fast as possible right now.

I have no leads
Ill just die then if youre not happy about it
Is it possible savage to recruit mayor?
I know he didnt get converted because of the kill
Could dunn swapped himself with someone else and that person got roleblocked?
I think he could be kidnapper
Since mayor is hammering i cant do nothing

I think I know what you are now, nice soft claiming (If it's real)

Let's at least start by making a list of possible Savage Godfathers. Then we eliminate one by one until we determine who we are going to lynch tomorrow. Anyone who has been roleblocked on nights 1 or 2 is excluded. Note: This list has all possibles, not just likely.

I'm not dodging the obvious accusation of Green and Kelso. I'm thinking about the proper procedures. Before the savages started killing, my main priority for the day was to try and out the witch. That would mean rb the Kidnapper and soma can be passed freely.

My suspect list

Ackerman
Black
Chapman
Donnelly
Fontaine
Galleta
Green (kinda liked him as the witch before Dunn said it though)
Kalou
Kelso
Leary
Lichtmann
Mason
Mendez
Rose
Ryan

You can remove me from your suspect list, I'm not worth lynching (I mean in the next days) since it will waste a lynch for town and possibly cost us the game since we must lynch a GF at all cost(preferably savage)

Ok, Cafarelli, Mendez... these are my top suspects for savage GF. Any comments?

Fontaine
Kalou
Kelso
Leary
Lichtmann
Mason
Rose
Ryan

Also, forget Phelps being an Escort.

Phelps is likely Consort
Observation: Phelps spent a lot of time pushing the Earle lynch.
Observation: Phelps spent a lot of time pushing the Cafarelli is bad angle.
Observation: Blocks Colmyer on the same day that his blackmail is entered.
Premise: A blocker blocking the same person who is blackmailed day 1 is too suspicious.
Premise: A blocker blocking a bus driver is suspicious.
Conclusion: Phelps is consort.

I have a comment, like I said above, I'm no scum.
The only proof I have though is that I keep trying to help town with the best of my ability (and regarding the time I have)

Theres no way theres a jail at this point

You mean a Jailor? Because we could have one... He just couldn't do anything since we lynched people every night.

[FM Parker]

I am still here.

[FM Ackerman]

-vote Unvote

[FM Hopgood]

Alright my role may save the town, i am going to role claim in a minute.
Odds are not good for the town right now, and I decided to lurk, sheep and play dumb until time is right.
I think this time is right.
Do not lynch Dunn!

[FM Ackerman]

Alright my role may save the town, i am going to role claim in a minute.
Odds are not good for the town right now, and I decided to lurk, sheep and play dumb until time is right.
I think this time is right.
Do not lynch Dunn!

The doctor is here?

[FM Ackerman]

Alright my role may save the town, i am going to role claim in a minute.
Odds are not good for the town right now, and I decided to lurk, sheep and play dumb until time is right.
I think this time is right.
Do not lynch Dunn!

Wait no, I know what you are... Do I really have a vest?

[FM Kelso]

Alright my role may save the town, i am going to role claim in a minute.
Odds are not good for the town right now, and I decided to lurk, sheep and play dumb until time is right.
I think this time is right.
Do not lynch Dunn!

Not sure it's good to reveal another TPR... even if it's the only way to help town if you are what I think you are.

[Dunn]

Leary was my selection based on Parker selecting him, actually. Not my own.