KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Dredge]

alright. im gonna burn myself out if i keep shmoovin.

do some work while im gone bbl

[FM-Yellow Snow]

- Protagonist Hair
- Chromatography
- Pyramid
- Red Cross
- Catnip
- Angry Rectangle
- Popcorn
- ZOMG
- Monet Rocket
- Candyfloss - prop higher when ordering
- Wakka Wakka

Boom

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

I tried reading to catch up for the past 2 hours and yet I'm still like 3 pages behind.

I don't have any more immediate time but I wanted to share the following thoughts after catching up:

I'm assuming some sort of host error on Turq's death or a conditional or passive death clause that someone else had.

ringmaster & oink I'm preety confident are town as of today (and I doubt this opinion will change over time)

Also based on reading various posts up to around this time I think both Protag and BHD are mild town, and possibly Player 2 based on having a similar read/impression on BHD earlier but that "absurd" wording they used is something I'm internally debating. Probably overthinking it. Also it seems like there's some sort of group that Player 2 / hippo / other people were in and I haven't found a neat summary of what all of that is about, so someone in thread here providing that would be nice.

This is all I have so far for today, I mostly wanted to vouch for Oink and Ringmaster and get that out. I'm not going to be reading up again for awhile, so if you have something to say to me just @ me, I'm not going back to check for quotes of me.

Player 2 is not part of my hood.

[FM-Autumn]

i just realized decepticon exists

anyone got opinions on that slot?

(imo can be added to shotlists)

[FM-Catnip]

- Protagonist Hair
- Chromatography
- Pyramid
- Red Cross
- Catnip
- Angry Rectangle
- Popcorn
- Old Lickilicky
- Monet Rocket
- Candyfloss
- Wakka Wakka

This is what I have so far, unordered for now. I need people to
1 - Suggest improvements/replacements
2 - Give reasons to shoot people

I want to condense this down a fair bit and swap people out that ideally shouldn't be on there. I've VETO'd a few of my own for now but I'd like to work this down further into a more concise list. Bolded are my own personal choices that I'd like to keep on there. I know there's a lot of discussion of just ITA fodder that I need to keep up with and ideally when organised they'll be grouped & tiered by reasoning, as well as keeping up with who supported who on which list.

Very sorry I'm falling behind here, I'm still around if needed I'm just not in the best spot to be playing mafia right now :,D but it's okay, we work through

gonna commit a cardinal sin of self defense but idrk why im in the shotlist over like. decepticon who 13 posted yesterday. am i forgetting mech? you can also add decepticon and not remove me but i dont want to be shot because that generally hurts and is unpleasant and a good amount of people tr me so ill at least suggest removing me

[FM-Catnip]

i just realized decepticon exists

anyone got opinions on that slot?

(imo can be added to shotlists)

jinx

[FM-Ringmaster]

I think Lick claim is just true, I don’t see someone making it up so I’m inclined to jsut believe it, also has the draw backs of being anti claimable ect ect also being able to be killed by a certain role so yeah probably just true

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

gonna commit a cardinal sin of self defense but idrk why im in the shotlist over like. decepticon who 13 posted yesterday. am i forgetting mech? you can also add decepticon and not remove me but i dont want to be shot because that generally hurts and is unpleasant and a good amount of people tr me so ill at least suggest removing me

wait you are there?

nuh uh i mssed that in my critique

[FM-Yellow Snow]

Gotcha, will add them on now
@FM-Tiny Hippo are you alright to cover ITA adaptations the next few hours as well while I sleep? ?

[FM-Catnip]

wait you are there?

nuh uh i mssed that in my critique

im far too cute to be shot

[FM-Yellow Snow]

I really need to keep better track of this but its ok its a rough list I'll do my fancy little pings and getting official submissions going tomorrow

[FM-Yellow Snow]

- Protagonist Hair
- Chromatography
- Pyramid
- Red Cross
- Decepticon
- Angry Rectangle
- Popcorn
- ZOMG
- Monet Rocket
- Candyfloss - prop higher when ordering
- Wakka Wakka

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

i just realized decepticon exists

anyone got opinions on that slot?

(imo can be added to shotlists)

Quoting naptime here,

its a shrughshot. Aka, typical low posting ITA fodder, which should absolutely be shot, but noe before some of the more pressing slots

[FM-Ringmaster]

I think Lick claim is just true, I don’t see someone making it up so I’m inclined to jsut believe it, also has the draw backs of being anti claimable ect ect also being able to be killed by a certain role so yeah probably just true

That’s not to say that it’s actually alignkent indicative (I think the nuances are but I’m not going to die on this hill) and I remember their posting was fine d1 despite people trying to gang up on them so I’m inclined to just leave them alone and hang out
chances are if they are telling the truth the role hunting them belongs to mafia and if they don’t die well that’s uh mafia just giving up KP (then again if mafia had the role why didn’t they get stabbed by that role)

[FM-Angry Rectangle]

hi guiys i'll be around later i'm sorry for vanishing all of a sudden
why am i on shotlist? 5 people voted for me to get ITAd? that's really rude

[FM-The Great Flood]

Main wagons yesterday in EoDish~~ were Pilgrim, Turqoise, Matchstick , Oink , and GRATE cfd, licky and someone else?

I saw that Joycat is claiming a greenpeek on matchstick and I am inclined to believe it , since if both are wolves then I cant see a good reason on why claim that check putting you above them to be shot.

So thats like, almost no scum being pushed yesterday which speaks very badly about how we are doing. Also not a big fan of Oink's funny action because I was cool with 1n night of gibberish but not infinite . So I am a bit tilted about that but Idk if scum would be a good idea to claim it? I need to reasess but ngl it would bring me peace seeing them dead.


Anyways, what I am thinking rn, if that most of the slots being pushed yday were town, wolves would not had a big reason to do the sussy late pop ins in EoD to vote someone / pile on. Are some of they a bit sus? Yeah and I wouldnt forgive those slots (Dredge/Anthill/Pyramid comes to mind with EoDs that I felt werent that good) , but I think the "sus late EoD vote" can be a pitfall for the wolves to just keep piling on the easy picks from town. I read the SoD a while ago so Im not fully sure of the names of players actively pushing that, but rn im concerned about eyescream?scarf? as potentials "This slot is pushing town in bad way" .

[FM-Catnip]

as a reminder the sbpc list is here

here is also my spreadsheet parser attempt to put it in thread, for archival reasons

Spoiler : sbpc list :

"442 - FM-Tiny Hippo
FM-Tiny Hippo - 302
302 - FM-Scarf
FM-Scarf - 294
294 - FM-Sonrisa
FM-Sonrisa - 219
219 - FM-Yellow Snow
FM-Yellow Snow - 196
196 - FM-The Hat
FM-The Hat - 192
192 - FM-Dredge
FM-Dredge - 173
173 - FM-Not Enough Legs
FM-Not Enough Legs - 172
172 - FM-Sad Super Saiyan
FM-Sad Super Saiyan - 159
159 - FM-Naptime
FM-Naptime - 151
151 - FM-Goblin and Worg
FM-Goblin and Worg - 148
148 - FM-Eyescream
FM-Eyescream - 136
136 - FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Choo-Choo - 116
116 - FM-Ringmaster
FM-Ringmaster - 112
112 - FM-Protagonist Hair
FM-Protagonist Hair - 111
111 - FM-Snuggles
FM-Snuggles - 105
105 - FM-Tinnitus
FM-Tinnitus - 98
98 - FM-Droopy Snout
FM-Droopy Snout - 93
93 - FM-Catnip
FM-Catnip - 88
88 - FM-Old Lickilicky
FM-Old Lickilicky - 87
87 - FM-Disco Dancer
FM-Disco Dancer - 86
86 - FM-Popcorn Axolotl
FM-Popcorn Axolotl - 81
81 - FM-Breakup
FM-Breakup - 80
80 - FM-Red Cross
FM-Red Cross - 70
70 - FM-The Great Flood
FM-The Great Flood - 70
70 - 2
2 - 68
68 - Player 2
Player 2 - 67
67 - FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Goldfish Bowl - 67
67 - FM-Mr Clean
FM-Mr Clean - 61
61 - FM-Oink
FM-Oink - 58
58 - FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Talking Anthill - 57
57 - FM-Lipstick
FM-Lipstick - 55
55 - FM-Matchstick Man
FM-Matchstick Man - 45
45 - FM-Hon Hon Hon
FM-Hon Hon Hon - 44
44 - FM-Pareidolia
FM-Pareidolia - 44
44 - FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Bad Hair Day - 43
43 - FM-Peekaboo
FM-Peekaboo - 42
42 - FM-Angry Rectangle
FM-Angry Rectangle - 42
42 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy
FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - 38
38 - FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Monet Rocket - 37
37 - FM-Platypus
FM-Platypus - 34
34 - FM-Space Pizza
FM-Space Pizza - 33
33 - FM-Lassie
FM-Lassie - 33
33 - FM-ZOMG
FM-ZOMG - 31
31 - FM-Wakka Wakka
FM-Wakka Wakka - 30
30 - FM-Candyfloss
FM-Candyfloss - 29
29 - FM-Turquoise
FM-Turquoise - 24
24 - FM-Mining Peep
FM-Mining Peep - 19
19 - FM-Four Past Seven
FM-Four Past Seven - 18
18 - FM-Thumbs Up
FM-Thumbs Up - 16
16 - FM-Fluffernuts
FM-Fluffernuts - 16
16 - FM-Chromatography
FM-Chromatography - 16
16 - FM-Chibi Minnie
FM-Chibi Minnie - 14
14 - Lumi
Lumi - 13
13 - FM-Joycat
FM-Joycat - 12
12 - FM-Decepticon
FM-Decepticon - 12
12 - FM-Grate
FM-Grate - 10"

[FM-Catnip]

i fucked up the spreadsheet again. one moment

[FM-Yellow Snow]

hi guiys i'll be around later i'm sorry for vanishing all of a sudden
why am i on shotlist? 5 people voted for me to get ITAd? that's really rude

Not 5 yet, that didnt really kick off so for now I'm just compiling as people request. I'll be annoying and start pestering for votes later on. #democracy

[FM-The Great Flood]

@FM-Eyescream can you give me bullet points on why you think Oink is town? And assuming Oink is town do you have any tinfoils regarding how yesterday pushes went?

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

gonna commit a cardinal sin of self defense but idrk why im in the shotlist over like. decepticon who 13 posted yesterday. am i forgetting mech? you can also add decepticon and not remove me but i dont want to be shot because that generally hurts and is unpleasant and a good amount of people tr me so ill at least suggest removing me

im not even sure who agreed to let pisskirby do the lists but here we are

[FM-Catnip]

Spoiler : heres a version which only has every person listed ONCE :

"442 - FM-Tiny Hippo

302 - FM-Scarf

294 - FM-Sonrisa

219 - FM-Yellow Snow

196 - FM-The Hat

192 - FM-Dredge

173 - FM-Not Enough Legs

172 - FM-Sad Super Saiyan

159 - FM-Naptime

151 - FM-Goblin and Worg

148 - FM-Eyescream

136 - FM-Choo-Choo

116 - FM-Ringmaster

112 - FM-Protagonist Hair

111 - FM-Snuggles

105 - FM-Tinnitus

98 - FM-Droopy Snout

93 - FM-Catnip

88 - FM-Old Lickilicky

87 - FM-Disco Dancer

86 - FM-Popcorn Axolotl

81 - FM-Breakup

80 - FM-Red Cross

70 - FM-The Great Flood

70 - 2

68 - Player 2

67 - FM-Goldfish Bowl

67 - FM-Mr Clean

61 - FM-Oink

58 - FM-Talking Anthill

57 - FM-Lipstick

55 - FM-Matchstick Man

45 - FM-Hon Hon Hon

44 - FM-Pareidolia

44 - FM-Bad Hair Day

43 - FM-Peekaboo

42 - FM-Angry Rectangle

42 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy

38 - FM-Monet Rocket

37 - FM-Platypus

34 - FM-Space Pizza

33 - FM-Lassie

33 - FM-ZOMG

31 - FM-Wakka Wakka

30 - FM-Candyfloss

29 - FM-Turquoise

24 - FM-Mining Peep

19 - FM-Four Past Seven

18 - FM-Thumbs Up

16 - FM-Fluffernuts

16 - FM-Chromatography

16 - FM-Chibi Minnie

14 - Lumi

13 - FM-Joycat

12 - FM-Decepticon

12 - FM-Grate
"

[FM-Ringmaster]

@FM-Eyescream can you give me bullet points on why you think Oink is town? And assuming Oink is town do you have any tinfoils regarding how yesterday pushes went?

instead of doing something useful if they are mafia they made it so there was infinite moons, allowing 3 people to speak to the entire dead chat, and are now helping me achieve the ultimate 4 person day vigilante via 100% ITA combo moon 100% speedrun glitch

[FM-Catnip]

- Protagonist Hair
- Chromatography
- Pyramid
- Red Cross
- Decepticon
- Angry Rectangle
- Popcorn
- ZOMG
- Monet Rocket
- Candyfloss - prop higher when ordering
- Wakka Wakka

is leaving off chibi minnie and hetty, two of the lowest posters, a conscious choice

[FM-Oink]

@FM-Naptime @FM-Tiny Hippo @FM-Scarf

i don't remember who requested it but here's the ISO on Player 2. I'm going to ISO Peekaboo next.

Ok so a lot of Player 2's start is fun with pirate talk.

He asks people for their reads and then he says he trs Matchstick. This next part is the fight with Worg I was talking about.

Worg suggests a policy vote on Player 2 for talking like a pirate and then Player 2 gets mad at him for it.

Then Player 2 says that Matchstick wouldn't be drawing so much attention to himself by using all CAPS if Matchstick was mafia and Worg misunderstands this as saying "cool you showed that Matchsticks looks angry by typing in all caps". Then Worg accuses Player 2 of not doing anything right after Worg says that he (Worg) doesn't want to backread at all this game, and then Player 2 calls him out for it. Honestly, this looks really bad for Worg because Worg comes out looking like a hypocrite after being called out by Player 2.

After that Player 2 goes on to provide a list of townreads that's similar to mine. He makes good commentary about Protag vs tiny hippo, and just general solving.

He also revealed his inspect on Protag when he could've kept it a secret.

It's overall pretty good to me.

[FM-Yellow Snow]

im not even sure who agreed to let pisskirby do the lists but here we are

I elected myself!! Even if I'm not calling the shots (hehe) I figured it's better to actually get something organised in time for ITAs and I think the way I plan to do it works at least for making sure that there's no hero shots being taken & that things are far more coordinated

[FM-Dredge]

im not even sure who agreed to let pisskirby do the lists but here we are

nya

[FM-Yellow Snow]

is leaving off chibi minnie and hetty, two of the lowest posters, a conscious choice

I'm just feeding back names that are given to me, I can throw them on if you want

[FM-Catnip]

im not even sure who agreed to let pisskirby do the lists but here we are

i think you should do them so that your entire wolfchat can collaborate on putting them together. many hands make light work

[FM-Ringmaster]

Oink might have a vested interest in this fact but if one of those 3 people die, technically, a dead person will be speaking with the entire dead chat…

[FM-Catnip]

nya

youre my favorite

[FM-Ringmaster]

Oink might have a vested interest in this fact but if one of those 3 people die, technically, a dead person will be speaking with the entire dead chat…

(Which means that dead people are speaking with the dead, which means you can communicate with them? I think?)

[FM-Hon Hon Hon]

Here and skimmed, I shall compile full reads list in 3-5 business days but in a nutshell
Chromatography and Pyramid absolutely need to be shot at or voted out today, based purely on wagonomics these slots are scummy and their dayplays don't do much to redeem them
I still don't find Dredge townie and Ringmaster is honestly null/sl to me here
Kirby/Hippo/Naptime i'm fairly certain are town so far,
Scarf/Protag/Anthill to lesser extents

[FM-The Great Flood]

12 FM-Dredge - Quality player in this game as either alignment, not sure what to make of them yet. If town they are probably 2/2 on wolves. If mafia they are probably 0/2 because they are probably just trying to push over some town of limited means.

@FM-Naptime can you explain me a bit how was your progression on Dredge? I remember being a bit weirded out by the bolded part since you seemed to both put their reads at high esteem but also kinda dismissing? them as town being tunneled

[FM-Catnip]

Oink might have a vested interest in this fact but if one of those 3 people die, technically, a dead person will be speaking with the entire dead chat…

hey btw can you verify the dead bitchs role. the one who claims to be dead despite being alive.

[FM-Ringmaster]

Here and skimmed, I shall compile full reads list in 3-5 business days but in a nutshell
Chromatography and Pyramid absolutely need to be shot at or voted out today, based purely on wagonomics these slots are scummy and their dayplays don't do much to redeem them
I still don't find Dredge townie and Ringmaster is honestly null/sl to me here
Kirby/Hippo/Naptime i'm fairly certain are town so far,
Scarf/Protag/Anthill to lesser extents

If I get shot I promise you the entire town will be going after my killer

[FM-Oink]

Oink might have a vested interest in this fact but if one of those 3 people die, technically, a dead person will be speaking with the entire dead chat…

Ah so we'd have a dead person talking to the dead and an alive person talking to an alive person. Fun

[FM-Ringmaster]

hey btw can you verify the dead bitchs role. the one who claims to be dead despite being alive.

no, see
I technically have been lying
anyone who died this night or today, we are assigned a partner from one of those to speak with
the infinite moon people will be speaking to all of them though
so like
lickiky

Don’t think we can test that

[FM-Hon Hon Hon]

If I get shot I promise you the entire town will be going after my killer

We'll see

[FM-Yellow Snow]

I'll come back to shots in the morning, ping me for updated lists & I'll get going with a more 'official' thing tomorrow , same with starting back up with votecounts.
@FM-Sad Super Saiyan I wanna talk again whenever we're both free, I wanna talk with you a little about your reads & get your thoughts on a few people if that's alright?

For now, goodnight friends!!

[FM-Goldfish Bowl]

Im a bit busy+ lazy rn, but could we look for someone who was perhaps actively pushing for any wagon? I feel like they could be scum here. Either that or someone who was generally ok with any of the flipped wagons, as in Stagnate/Was egging others on

[FM-Oink]

(Which means that dead people are speaking with the dead, which means you can communicate with them? I think?)

Maybe I didn't correctly say it but essentially I count as a dead person for any "talk/interact with the dead" type roles. This doesn't mean I'm dead. So I'm not sure this is how it would work.

[FM-The Great Flood]

Also @FM-Scarf I know its a bit old but I didnt want to bother yesterday near EoD. Can you walk me through on how you read Red Cross 180 as an inv hint? I remember you making a ISO post about it but I couldnt see much of your perspective there? Or maybe I had a Skill reading issue

[FM-Ringmaster]

We'll see

I don’t think it’s a “we see” I think it’s a “this guy shot the person who was going to have four people with 100% ITA tomorrow + has sent eight people to speak with the dead + has been relatively townei” so it’s not a “we see” it’s “that was entirely a scum motivated thing to do”

[FM-Chromatography]

In case people missed it before, do not shoot me as I am self-clearing

[FM-The Great Flood]

Here and skimmed, I shall compile full reads list in 3-5 business days but in a nutshell
Chromatography and Pyramid absolutely need to be shot at or voted out today, based purely on wagonomics these slots are scummy and their dayplays don't do much to redeem them
I still don't find Dredge townie and Ringmaster is honestly null/sl to me here
Kirby/Hippo/Naptime i'm fairly certain are town so far,
Scarf/Protag/Anthill to lesser extents

Can you elaborate on the wagonomics? Also dont understand the mention on the null with a redish color on the list

[FM-The Hat]

I would also like someone who has been camping the thread to start keeping track of mechanical actions and claims otherwise we run the risk of some very poorly fired ITA shots.

Here for just a brief moment before I get home PLEASE DOMEONE DO THIS

[FM-Oink]

Hey Hon Hon Hon can u explain your sr on Dredge and Ringmaster? I highly tr Ringmaster and I just have gut suspicions that I need to look in to on Dredge

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

i think you should do them so that your entire wolfchat can collaborate on putting them together. many hands make light work

we need lists, just not the one with me or the people i tr in it ;-;

[FM-The Great Flood]

Maybe I didn't correctly say it but essentially I count as a dead person for any "talk/interact with the dead" type roles. This doesn't mean I'm dead. So I'm not sure this is how it would work.

Amazing another dead but not dead lmao.
Besides NEL who are the people you are sus of ?