Board Meeting Two: Death of A Familiar Face

[Nocturne]

Hm, Let's take a look at my notes for a second...


Ah Yes here it is, Nautilus has voted for (in order) Pantheon, Alistar, Zilean, Alistar.
May I ask why you changed your vote from ali to zil to ali?
You seem to be a lesser man who wavers in his opinion so easily.

I have said my opinion and I reserved my vote till I was sure about something and now I stick by my decision. I will not switch my vote based on speculative "he won't claim!" Why don't you claim? Why doesn't everyone claim? It has been said before.

I am all for pressure voting but now is not the time.

Please do not think I am defending Alistar because I am not. I merely think he is the lesser of two evils.

He quickly jumps on the Jarvan IV bandwagon then disappears. I vote him, he then gets very defensive votes me back with little reasoning after I change my vote to Zilean.

Is this not what you did to him?
Jarvan got super defensive and everyone has seemed to ignore him, who's to say the same thing won't happen with Alistar?
He claims cit and then attention sorta fades from everyone, then another train starts because someone rubbed someone the wrong way.

If the train on Alistar had a conductor you would be it. Right now I see you as more scummy than Alistar for leading this witch hunt with very little to go on.

If you still have your vote on Gangplank tell me why you want to lynch him on D2 instead of using him as a majority directed role block that we can lynch at any time?

Because at this moment we have no majority. There have been maybe 7 people online in the last 6 hours. Where is this majority with which we can pressure vote anyone quickly and then lynch someone else? Where is the majority to threaten Gangplank to RB someone of our choosing?

Please start taking notes. I have said this before (seeing as right now I'm the major voice against gangplank) that unless we get a majority conses of people online in the next 6-7 hours I think for now our best option is to lynch Gangplank.
Keep up buddy.

[Alistar]

just so we are clear I don't feel like I've done anything scummy, lee was like roleclaim and I was like fuck you. How is that scummy in any way? Now it has just become the cool thing to do because town doesn't have any other leads.

Wouldn't it be funny if I was just a simple citizen?

[Fizz]

They do not have to be on the same team to both be scum so you shouldn't be worried about that. Gangplank could be the consort and Alistar could be the witch or sk. They will still vote for each other.



Because he will block whoever we tell him to block and he is not a threat to us. If he blocks someone other than we have agreed then we will lynch him. After reading this I don't know why anyone would still have their vote on Gangplank.

If you still have your vote on Gangplank tell me why you want to lynch him on D2 instead of using him as a majority directed role block that we can lynch at any time?

Tell me what happens when the witch controls him and forces the action on another, or when a mafia consort blocks him and prevents his own role-block. I believe he's mafia so these things don't bother me, you on the other hand should be concerned by this because if you thought he was mafia you would vote for him. If you don't think he's mafia then you think he's an escort which means the badguys will manipulate him to block somebody else and force you to lynch him tomorrow because he didn't block who you ordered him to - tomorrow when we have a hell of a lot more information to utilize on targets than we did today. That's not to mention the most obvious failing in this whole idea. You inevitably want to use him to block mafia because blocking townies is generally a poor idea. If he and his target are mafia then what's to stop his target saying he was blocked when he wasn't and Gangblank going off and blocking some other townie which we then attribute to the Consort. This plan would be great if it worked, but it can't.

In regard to them not having to be on the same team. The people who are usually picked up early game as scum are mafia because they're attempting to manipulate the game. Neutrals are almost never detected this way and especially not on Day 2 because there's absolutely no reason for them to do anything controversial or dangerous. They're a neutral they can be as down the line and non suspicious as they want because their powers are at night time and they owe their allegiance to nobody.

Now, I implore you to reconsider.

[Nautilus]

Hm, Let's take a look at my notes for a second...


Ah Yes here it is, Nautilus has voted for (in order) Pantheon, Alistar, Zilean, Alistar.
May I ask why you changed your vote from ali to zil to ali?
You seem to be a lesser man who wavers in his opinion so easily.

Zilean wasn't getting enough votes for him to be pressured so when Alistar started getting more votes I thought there we might actually get somewhere with him. Don't take it for a change in opinion, I want both to claim their roles but Zilean wasn't getting the votes. Pantheon was an early pressure vote that I later changed my opinion on. I'm not so stubborn that I won't re-evaluate my views of people.

I have said my opinion and I reserved my vote till I was sure about something and now I stick by my decision. I will not switch my vote based on speculative "he won't claim!" Why don't you claim? Why doesn't everyone claim? It has been said before.

That is your playstyle but I think votes are a powerful tool and I will use them to get information.

I am all for pressure voting but now is not the time.

Please do not think I am defending Alistar because I am not. I merely think he is the lesser of two evils.


You seem too sure he will flip town for me to believe that.

Is this not what you did to him?

I don't feel any pressure to defend myself. I told you why I re-voted him.

Jarvan got super defensive and everyone has seemed to ignore him, who's to say the same thing won't happen with Alistar?

The same thing will happen if more people don't pressure vote him. Jarvan had no risk of being lynched.

He claims cit and then attention sorta fades from everyone, then another train starts because someone rubbed someone the wrong way.

If the train on Alistar had a conductor you would be it. Right now I see you as more scummy than Alistar for leading this witch hunt with very little to go on.

I don't know why you would after I have said why I think he is scum but ok. You have even less to go on with Gangplank because he has actually claimed his role. You also want to lynch him when all I want is for Alistar to claim his role which doesn't seem like such a big ask to me.

Because at this moment we have no majority. There have been maybe 7 people online in the last 6 hours. Where is this majority with which we can pressure vote anyone quickly and then lynch someone else? Where is the majority to threaten Gangplank to RB someone of our choosing?

Please start taking notes. I have said this before (seeing as right now I'm the major voice against gangplank) that unless we get a majority conses of people online in the next 6-7 hours I think for now our best option is to lynch Gangplank.
Keep up buddy.

It's simple really. You just -vote block Zilean and then make a tally.

Gangplank Block Tally

Zilean (1): Nautilus

The person with the highest number of the votes at the end of the day must be blocked by Gangplank. If he doesn't block that person he will have a guarantee that we will lynch him the next day. The bus driver can switch him to prevent any blocks or witchings from affecting him.

[Fizz]

The bus driver can switch him to prevent any blocks or witchings from affecting him.

Which bus driver would that be given that with <25% of day left only 1 person has claimed to have been bussed? Now you're staking this whole plan on the fact that there is a bus driver and that that bus driver will obey you.

[Nautilus]

Tell me what happens when the witch controls him and forces the action on another, or when a mafia consort blocks him and prevents his own role-block. I believe he's mafia so these things don't bother me, you on the other hand should be concerned by this because if you thought he was mafia you would vote for him. If you don't think he's mafia then you think he's an escort which means the badguys will manipulate him to block somebody else and force you to lynch him tomorrow because he didn't block who you ordered him to - tomorrow when we have a hell of a lot more information to utilize on targets than we did today. That's not to mention the most obvious failing in this whole idea. You inevitably want to use him to block mafia because blocking townies is generally a poor idea. If he and his target are mafia then what's to stop his target saying he was blocked when he wasn't and Gangblank going off and blocking some other townie which we then attribute to the Consort. This plan would be great if it worked, but it can't.

In regard to them not having to be on the same team. The people who are usually picked up early game as scum are mafia because they're attempting to manipulate the game. Neutrals are almost never detected this way and especially not on Day 2 because there's absolutely no reason for them to do anything controversial or dangerous. They're a neutral they can be as down the line and non suspicious as they want because their powers are at night time and they owe their allegiance to nobody.

Now, I implore you to reconsider.

If Gangplank and his mafia buddies lie about being blocked they will soon be found out. You seem to be forgetting we have detectives and lookouts to check up on this sort of thing. We can also use a bus driver (I think someone said they had been switched) to protect or wifom protect Gangplank from manipulation.

Alistar isn't trying to manipulate the game he is trying to hide from it by not contributing. Seems fairly neutral to me. Scum aren't usually the loud, stupid ones as they actually want to stay hidden, especially after a night of discussing tactics.

[Nautilus]

Which bus driver would that be given that with <25% of day left only 1 person has claimed to have been bussed? Now you're staking this whole plan on the fact that there is a bus driver and that that bus driver will obey you.

The plan is a nice idea but it isn't even a big reason why I don't want to lynch Gangplank. He claimed his role, he is most likely an escort/consort and he is an idiot that doesn't help town. You should use day 2 to pressure people into claiming not lynch them after they have made a perfectly sound claim with nothing to disprove it.

By tomorrow we should have information from power roles and Alistar will be ignored. No one will want to follow up on a pressure vote after a sheriff has got a mafia result on someone. Don't waste this day by possibly mislynching an escort when this is our best chance to get one of the scummiest players in the game to claim his role.

@Alistar If you want to lynch Gangplank and stop wasting our time then claim your role now because you will lose credibility by tomorrow. What you are doing his harming town by distracting us from the 'real scum' and all because you have a role that "doesn't mean shit to the mafia" that you want to keep from us.

[Fizz]

If Gangplank and his mafia buddies lie about being blocked they will soon be found out. You seem to be forgetting we have detectives and lookouts to check up on this sort of thing. We can also use a bus driver (I think someone said they had been switched) to protect or wifom protect Gangplank from manipulation.

How exactly do you know we have Lookouts and Detectives? Do we also have Spree Killers? Do we send all our power roles to the same place then send the Spree Killers there too? Is this a good idea?

In terms of bus drivers it takes two people saying they're bussed to indicate a bus driver. Only one has claimed being bussed. Until we hear another claim this suggests drug dealer more than anything.

I am worried that none of this stuff occurred to you, and I am perhaps more so worried that even after I point these things out you are still pushing for this plan.

[Nocturne]

All hail Nautilus
leader of our fair town...


I doubt anyone is going to listen to you.

[Nautilus]

How exactly do you know we have Lookouts and Detectives? Do we also have Spree Killers? Do we send all our power roles to the same place then send the Spree Killers there too? Is this a good idea?

In terms of bus drivers it takes two people saying they're bussed to indicate a bus driver. Only one has claimed being bussed. Until we hear another claim this suggests drug dealer more than anything.

I am worried that none of this stuff occurred to you, and I am perhaps more so worried that even after I point these things out you are still pushing for this plan.

It doesn't matter if there aren't these roles. The possibility of these roles either following Gangplank or watching his target should prevent them trying something like this because if they are found out that's 2 mafia dead.

A bus driver, if there is one, could choose to switch Gangplank or a lookout could choose to watch him. Whether the mafia want to risk it is up to them and a witch and especially a consort blocking Gangplank is hardly the end of the world anyway.

[Nautilus]

It doesn't matter if there aren't these roles. The possibility of these roles either following Gangplank or watching his target should prevent them trying something like this because if they are found out that's 2 mafia dead.

A bus driver, if there is one, could choose to switch Gangplank or a lookout could choose to watch him. Whether the mafia want to risk it is up to them and a witch and especially a consort blocking Gangplank is hardly the end of the world anyway.

tl;dr

wifom

[Fizz]

Dude, I don't want to be rude or anything, but it's becoming hard not to be.

If a spree killer visits somebody, everybody who visits him dies. That's whatever power role you encouraged to visit him.

You don't care if a witch or consort interferes with Gangplank? By your own logic you should believe this to be catastrophic. You said we lynch Gangplank if he doesn't block who we told him to. You don't think that's a bad thing?

You just introduced two distinct non-matching thought processes into the conversation.

[Ryze]

I don't understand why there is this massive circlejerk surrounding Alistar. Did someone randomly ask him to claim his role, and now it's suspicious all of a sudden that he isn't, or what? Because that's fucking stupid.

[Nocturne]

I don't understand why there is this massive circlejerk surrounding Alistar. Did someone randomly ask him to claim his role, and now it's suspicious all of a sudden that he isn't, or what? Because that's fucking stupid.

Pretty much.

[Fizz]

I don't understand why there is this massive circlejerk surrounding Alistar. Did someone randomly ask him to claim his role, and now it's suspicious all of a sudden that he isn't, or what? Because that's fucking stupid.

I know right.

[Nautilus]

Dude, I don't want to be rude or anything, but it's becoming hard not to be.

If a spree killer visits somebody, everybody who visits him dies. That's whatever power role you encouraged to visit him.

You don't care if a witch or consort interferes with Gangplank? By your own logic you should believe this to be catastrophic. You said we lynch Gangplank if he doesn't block who we told him to. You don't think that's a bad thing?

You just introduced two distinct non-matching thought processes into the conversation.

I don't think there is a spree killer and it's the PRs choice if they want to risk it. If Gangplank starts lying about why he failed to block someone it shouldn't be that hard to see through it. If he was actually witched or blocked we could decide what do to with him depending on what else is happening that day. I was saying that we would 100% lynch him if he failed to block someone to make sure he would do it but you don't understand wifom.

@Ryze Read Alistar's posts and tell me it was random.

[Fizz]

I don't think there is a spree killer and it's the PRs choice if they want to risk it. If Gangplank starts lying about why he failed to block someone it shouldn't be that hard to see through it. If he was actually witched or blocked we could decide what do to with him depending on what else is happening that day. I was saying that we would 100% lynch him if he failed to block someone to make sure he would do it but you don't understand wifom.

@Ryze Read Alistar's posts and tell me it was random.

So in summary, you don't actually have any plan whatsoever.

[Nautilus]

So in summary, you don't actually have any plan whatsoever.

I'm sure you can figure it out if you try hard enough.

[Fizz]

I'm sure you can figure it out if you try hard enough.

Destroy all Town?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Update before sleep:

Alistar ( 8 ): Orianna, Shaco, Lee Sin, Gangplank, Nautilus, Jarvan IV, Soraka, Zilean
Gangplank (3): Fizz, Katarina, Nocturne
Zilean (2): Riven, Renekton
Fiddlesticks (2): Sona, Garen
Renekton (2): Lux, Fiora
Nautlius (1): Alistar
Riven (1): Veigar
Lee Sin (1): Caitlyn

18 required for termination.

You have 10 hours agents.

[Gangplank]

I was going to block Zilean anyways, really.

I don't care what the fuck you guys will do with your PRs to confirm me or if I even go unconfirmed/block someone else cuz of witch and get lynched tomorrow.

Anyways, I probably will be witched. Hopefully it will let our sheriffs and investigators doing their jobs.

[Riven]

Coordinating escort actions at day is foolish. They will obviously not send Zilean to kill, and weren't going to anyway with the suspicion on him.
He still hadn't defended himself and is lurking like predicted. he would be our best bet today, and even though I'm not really sheriff i'm 90% sure he is scum (and not trying to appear scum). He is new to forum mafia like I expected and therefore making lots of obvious slip-ups. Please give it some consideration, read his posts, so that we can get somewhere today.
Alistar wagon is only based on Lee Sin's speculation that his jailor is Lucy and Alistar, and I'm not buying it yet. Alistar isn't acting particularly scummy in my book.

[Lee Sin]

Goooood Morning, everyone!

So many of you want to know why we are voting Alistar. I came into today with only one piece of information: I was jailed last night.

So when two other people claimed that they were jailed, I was skeptical. I snooped around and tried to look for people who absolutely believe one claim or another. Jarvan's claim had no firm believers. Irelia's claim had 3-4 firm believers. In my opinion, both claims gave next to the same amount of evidence.

Alistar was not one of the one's who firmly believed Irelia.

So when I went over Alistar's posts and voted for her, I was planning on just pressuring her. I'm not saying she is an executioner. I'm saying she's scummy. For those of you who think that I think that Alistar jailed me last night, I don't think so. I have my eyes watching another.

The fact that Gangplank claimed so close to when I accused Alistar and asked her to claim a role piqued my interest.

Gangplank was one of those who believed Irelia.

Irelia's claim seems rock solid to me.

Gangplank's claim brought the attention to himself. He is scummy, as well as Alistar. So when he takes attention away from Alistar when he has, what? 2 votes? That told me that they are connected, regardless of whether one voted the other.

I was not planning on bringing this up until tomorrow because I would be able to look and put together lists of people who believed any of the claims.

Lol, just reading over my arguments I should be voting Gangplank to show a connection. But that won't do anything right now because he claimed and it's possible we'll know if he's mafia on day 2. I'm in the belief that he is mafia.

[Lee Sin]

And remember, my last post is all legitimate even if Jarvan lied about being jailed.

[Gangplank]

Goooood Morning, everyone!

So many of you want to know why we are voting Alistar. I came into today with only one piece of information: I was jailed last night.

So when two other people claimed that they were jailed, I was skeptical. I snooped around and tried to look for people who absolutely believe one claim or another. Jarvan's claim had no firm believers. Irelia's claim had 3-4 firm believers. In my opinion, both claims gave next to the same amount of evidence.

Alistar was not one of the one's who firmly believed Irelia.

So when I went over Alistar's posts and voted for her, I was planning on just pressuring her. I'm not saying she is an executioner. I'm saying she's scummy. For those of you who think that I think that Alistar jailed me last night, I don't think so. I have my eyes watching another.

The fact that Gangplank claimed so close to when I accused Alistar and asked her to claim a role piqued my interest.

Gangplank was one of those who believed Irelia.


Gangplank's claim brought the attention to himself. He is scummy, as well as Alistar. So when he takes attention away from Alistar when he has, what? 2 votes? That told me that they are connected, regardless of whether one voted the other.

I was not planning on bringing this up until tomorrow because I would be able to look and put together lists of people who believed any of the claims.

Lol, just reading over my arguments I should be voting Gangplank to show a connection. But that won't do anything right now because he claimed and it's possible we'll know if he's mafia on day 2. I'm in the belief that he is mafia.

Ok. I'll tell you who I block tonight. If I have to block a citizen to prove myself as non-mafia I will.

Irelia's claim seemed solid because 1) she had confidence in her claim 2) the jailed pm which according to her is exactly the same as Jarvan's 3) the code

I mean, there must be a town jailor (I think?) and Jarvan's claim seemed a lot more suspicious to me than hers. And no, I did not take attention away from Alistar. I just claimed (I guess prematurely, I just didn't want to be hammered when asleep or something) because I was pressured and that occurred parallel to Alistar's pressuring.

We've been over this before. Vote me if you want.

[Riven]

You were in no danger of being hammered Gangplank, I even have trouble remembering if anyone payed you any attention tbh.
Is Lee Sin Kromos?

[Gangplank]

You were in no danger of being hammered Gangplank, I even have trouble remembering if anyone payed you any attention tbh.
Is Lee Sin Kromos?

Ya, that was just an amateur mistake on my part claiming so early (which seems to happen to us newbies in every FM >.>). But still, I think that you are underestimating the general scum feeling on me. Fizz and Jarvan were the most vocal, then Nautilus and multiple others who I remember had listed me as scum.

Perhaps not enough to be serious, but still not an inconsiderable amount. If I hadn't claimed I have no doubt I would be sitting at around 10 votes by now.

[Lee Sin]

So let me take your reasons and smash them to the ground.

1. Confidence
Anyone can have confidence. Did you know that when someone cons you he is a confidence man. No way around it. Just because someone is confident doesn't mean they are right and giving you all the facts. The best liars in FM always are confident in their lies. If you think that confidence is the one reason to believe her claim, then you must either be stupid or mafia.

2. Jailed PM
Tell me, when did Irelia say that her PM was like that of Jarvan's? It was after he paraphrased it. For all we know the mafia jailed Jarvan last night and so they know for a fact that Jarvan was jailed and so Irelia would have nothing to lose and everything to gain if she's lying about being jailed to claim she got the same PM.

3. Code
I already brought this up in an earlier post. Someone else did too. The code proves nothing about the alignment of the jailer nor does it prove that Irelia was jailed. Mafia can make up a code just as easily as a jailer. If the mafia authored that code then that would be a very bad thing for town jailer (s?). Just because there's a code doesn't prove that Irelia was jailed


Do you have other reasons to believe Irelia so I can crush them too?

[Gangplank]

Well that's definitely true Lee. I dunno, I guess her jailed claim just seemed more solid to me.

And anyways, I don't think her jailor was Lucy cuz of how Elixir freaked after you posted the pms.

[Riven]

This sounds very far-fetched. Are you Falsetruth?

[Lee Sin]

This sounds very far-fetched. Are you Falsetruth?

LOL

Read the thread

[Riven]

LOL

Read the thread

I find it harder to believe mafia went through all this trouble vs there being 2 town-aligned jailors. It requires creativity, something you've got plenty of to come up with this theory, but maybe not the mafia, and it certainly sounds risky as fuck because this way both jarvan and Irelia would be mafia and in spotlight.

[Lee Sin]

I find it harder to believe mafia went through all this trouble vs there being 2 town-aligned jailors. It requires creativity, something you've got plenty of to come up with this theory, but maybe not the mafia, and it certainly sounds risky as fuck because this way both jarvan and Irelia would be mafia and in spotlight.

Jarvan doesn't need to be mafia. Neither does Irelia, but it is possible. Jarvan may have been jailed by a fail town jailer (by his discription), or not jailed. Irelia could have been jailed by Lucy Stillman. But I think it much more likely that Irelia is scum And Jarvan was jailed.

[Riven]

Also why are you encouraging everyone to chase ghosts instead of pressuring Zilean? Do you find him a tiny bit scummy?

[Caitlyn]

Also why are you encouraging everyone to chase ghosts instead of pressuring Zilean? Do you find him a tiny bit scummy?

Are you claiming to have information that suggests that Zilean is an evil role / Alistar is innocent?

[Riven]

Are you claiming to have information that suggests that Zilean is an evil role / Alistar is innocent?

I have my analysis if Zilean. Just like you have your analysis of Alistar. Oh wait you don't. You just follow the flow.

[Lee Sin]

Also why are you encouraging everyone to chase ghosts instead of pressuring Zilean? Do you find him a tiny bit scummy?

The people who have been pressuring him are on my scum list. He is on my radar but not quite on my scumlist.

[Renekton]

Fiora
I would like to bring attention to this post, it slipped by unnoticed. As Lux rightly pointed out, it is very interesting that Ranekton claims to know that Riven is Luna and Zilean is Nick. I would like to know where Ranekton based these claims on if it is not a slip by the mafia who know each other's COM names.
This would point to all three of Ranekton, Riven, and Zilean being scum together.
Also, according to Lux, Ranekton was on uninvisible at night. Possibly talking in night chat?

Itīs Renekton not Ranekton.

If you would pay any attention to this game you would know that those arenīt the COM id s i have stated. I just took 2 names and throw it into the day to get minor scum "like you" into voting me. Producing slip ups.

Maybe some less gay rp and some more productive posts if you are town.

If somebody tries to slip under the radar itīs you and your shitty pegasus

[Lee Sin]

I would like to bring this up:

I have no doubts about all 3 claims of jailing being genuine, except maybe jailors claiming jailed in coordination maybe with the jailees to swap roles around. That would require a great deal of trust though.
Off top of the hat I think Fiora and Irelia have had some lesbian business going down, but maybe I'm wrong. The post edit makes me think Irelia can also be a very important power role and needs protection.
I also believe GM's reaction hints strongly to Lee Sin's jailor being Lucy.

Orange needs little from me to really speak why you are trying to turn the attention away from Gangplank/Alistar/Irelia.

Blue is more a sticky point for me. If Jarvan is telling the truth then I think it more likely that his jailer was Lucy, not my jailer. If he's not then Irelia's jailer could be Lucy and that helps the mafia.

[Riven]

The people who have been pressuring him are on my scum list. He is on my radar but not quite on my scumlist.

Care to share with us your scumlist and reasoning? Except ofc Gangplank and Alistar.
Also no jailor shall dare to claim my comname, it will certainly be a lie.

[Caitlyn]

Care to share with us your scumlist and reasoning? Except ofc Gangplank and Alistar.
Also no jailor shall dare to claim my comname, it will certainly be a lie.

Whattt is this...

Anyways, what is it with you and Zilean ?

[Riven]

I would like to bring this up:


Orange needs little from me to really speak why you are trying to turn the attention away from Gangplank/Alistar/Irelia.

Blue is more a sticky point for me. If Jarvan is telling the truth then I think it more likely that his jailer was Lucy, not my jailer. If he's not then Irelia's jailer could be Lucy and that helps the mafia.

Can you really be sure? No you cannot. I don't believe we can derive which jailor is Lucy and who he is yet. All I had at that point was elixir's claim eh is maintaining "balance" by hastily introducing a pretty much useless rule as it turned out to be.
Jarvan hadn't yet even said what his jailor did, only that he fully trusts him.
And yes I'm diverting attention away from your trail of thought, that's all I'm doing - because I don't think it leads anywhere productive.

[Riven]

Whattt is this...

Anyways, what is it with you and Zilean ?

Do you read - at all? Zilean is scum as fuck and is our best bet today. If i made a real gambit and claimed sheriff, you sheep would already have hammered him. I gave you a choice, a possibility to come to it on your own, without using cheap methods to sway your opinion. Seeing how it turned out in fm9, a sheriff claim, even a counterclaimed one, would make town lynch even a doctor, so I hoped that maybe this can shed some light onto things without a real claim and a risk of lynching a townie should i be wrong. But all Zilean did is cave, and so I keep pushing for his lynch, without support it seems.

[Gangplank]

Do you read - at all? Zilean is scum as fuck and is our best bet today. If i made a real gambit and claimed sheriff, you sheep would already have hammered him. I gave you a choice, a possibility to come to it on your own, without using cheap methods to sway your opinion. Seeing how it turned out in fm9, a sheriff claim, even a counterclaimed one, would make town lynch even a doctor, so I hoped that maybe this can shed some light onto things without a real claim and a risk of lynching a townie should i be wrong. But all Zilean did is cave, and so I keep pushing for his lynch, without support it seems.

I was originally going to block Zilean tonight, but since it's already out there, I'll do it.

If I get blocked myself or witched then I think we can be safely certain that he is scum.

[Jarvan IV]

Can you really be sure? No you cannot. I don't believe we can derive which jailor is Lucy and who he is yet. All I had at that point was elixir's claim eh is maintaining "balance" by hastily introducing a pretty much useless rule as it turned out to be.
Jarvan hadn't yet even said what his jailor did, only that he fully trusts him.
And yes I'm diverting attention away from your trail of thought, that's all I'm doing - because I don't think it leads anywhere productive.

EY YO BITCHTITS!

YOU WANNA START A FIGHT, NUKKA?

[Jarvan IV]

PS: I don't trust my jailor anymore. I believe he was a fucking scummy piece of shit, he refused to talk about the game whenever I'd try he'd just detract from the conversation and ended up getting me to play a guessing game which he claimed to be Goremancer in the end of. That is all.

[Renekton]

Yo sir Spamalot did you read through the Gorecancer gaolr loggs?

[Jarvan IV]

Yo sir Spamalot did you read through the Gorecancer gaolr loggs?

Yeah. They were a 100% match.

[Renekton]

Yeah alright i hope he is Mafia, If he is Town its just a wasted town PR. LOL

[Jarvan IV]

Yeah alright i hope he is Mafia, If he is Town its just a wasted town PR. LOL

I lol'd. Poor Goremancer, everyone's making fun of him.