VOTE: Now's the time! Vote on your top roles that were submitted by the community!

[gaspiden]

Alas, after 5 days of accepting role suggestions, I believe I have gathered enough to represent the top 21 roles suggested by you, the community.

In no particular order, here they are:

Role: Enchantress
Brief description of role: You influence the minds of others to attract their attention or keep them off your doorstep. Every night, you may lure a player to force them to target you and repel a player to stop them from targeting you.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ht=enchantress
User: Fulla

Role: Locksmith
Description : You are a Locksmith, in charge of repairing and changing the locks of your fellow townsmen. Abilities, option suggestions and such can be found in the link below, as well as lengthy discussion and further suggestions for the role.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...700#post130700
User: LeaD

Role: Pickpocket
Description: You are a young thief, blessed with swift hands. Counterpart (sharing the same invest msg) to the Locksmith. Read more about him the thread below!
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...700#post130700
User: LeaD

Role: Prisoner
Brief Description: A mysterious convict whose only purpose is to escape prison to either integrate himself once again with society, or revert back to killing.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Idea-Prisoner
User: gaspiden

Role: Hustler
Brief Description: A likable yet shady and manipulative buisnessman willing to negotiate on both sides of the fence (town or mafia), so long as he gets his end of the bargain.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ns-and-Hustler
User: gaspiden

Role: Sleuth / Dirty Sleuth
Brief description of role: Can read the current last will of a living player at night.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...h-Dirty-Sleuth
User: Kromos

Role: Mortician
Brief description of role: Can visit a dead body and discover what actions were performed on it (i.e. Witched, framed, investigated). Mortician is not informed on which night these actions occurred.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...tion-Mortician
User: Borkbot?

Role : Cleric
Brief Description : a religious fanatic who wants purify the Town from the evil
Link : https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...e-psychiatrist
User : Gzz

Role: The Matchmaker
Brief description of role: Investigates by targeting 2 players and determining if these 2 players can win together
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ght=matchmaker
User: ALL HAIL CTHULHU

Role: Drug Dealer
Brief description of role: May drug a player at night. The player will be informed that they have been blocked, witched, given a gun, given armour or attacked+healed etc., chosen by the drug dealer or at random depending on the setup.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...on-Drug-Dealer
User: [Unknown]

Role: Neutral Killer
Brief description of role: A loner who satisfies his unstable mental state by kidnapping members of the local town
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-%28Neutral%29
User: pazizal

Role: Agent
Brief description of role: Mafia member who can target a player to have his role cleaned upon being lynched.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...New-Role-Agent
User: maccabbe

Role: Cult Founder
Brief description of role: Leader of the cult who cannot be killed at night. If there are no living cultists he has immunity at night but if there are living cultists and if Cult Founder is attacked at night a random cultist dies instead of him.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...le-Cult-Leader
User: maccabbe

Role: Grave Robber
Brief Description: Every night he robs a dead players possessions that they were buried with, allowing him to use their ability one time.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...a-Grave-Robber
User: AscendedOne

Role: Knave
Description: Gets a random target day one. Can speak to target, but target cannot talk back. If target is annoying, can murder target and kill them instantly. Wins alone.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...4-Knave-Butler
User: cookies4you

Role: Butler
Description: Gets a random target day one. Can converse with target. If target is attacked at night, the Butler and his target swaps places. Wins with Town.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...4-Knave-Butler
User: cookies4you

Role: Taxi Driver
Description: Swap the targets of two targets at night. Can target self in an attempt to run over someone.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...he-Taxi-Driver
User: cookies4you

Role: Notradamus
Description: You predicted many disasters. now the time has come for the Apocalypse.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...01-Nostradamus
User: Chane

Role: Corrupted Politician
Description: His speeches have big impact on society's opinion. He chooses one player during the night and while the first day there is a voting time this person will vote exactly the same way as Corrupted Politician.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ng-s-proposals
User: JackWolfsong

Role: Militiaman
Brief Description: At night, can select 2 random people, and as long as they are town roles will gain their abilities for the following day/night.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ades-Town-Role
User: Gamefire

Role: Inquisitioner
Brief Description: A devout religious fundamental who takes pleasure in the torture of his victims, who he deems as against his beliefs.
Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Inquisitioner
User: gaspiden

NOTE:

- Please at the very least briefly read every role before voting, that way your vote(s) are informed
- You may vote for as many roles as you want
- This is not a popularity or troll contest, vote for which one you truly would want to see in the game.
- The Poll will be open for a total of 7 days
- Once the Poll is over, and the results are final, I will post a new thread informing you of the winning top 3 roles.

Remember: Top 3 Roles will be submitted to R&D (i.e sent to someone with access to R&D, most likely to DR himself) for more Serious Consideration

Edit: Last minute change. After finding out that Neutral Killer is not an actual role, I replaced it with an actual neutral role that I believe merits to be on here. It's actually quite good and I suggest checking it out.

Mod Edit: Just as a reminder, this is NOT an officially sanctioned poll and has no bearing on role implementation

[LeaD]

awww Samurai didn't make it.. I liked him the most though
Also neutral killer is NOT a role.. Any votes on that will be regarded as trolling - check the thread, or if you have access to R&D, skim through the discussion on improved random settings
Many of these roles are entirely useless, so i'll just vote the 5 that i liked most

[Ash]

No.

[Nick]

Than random votes, classify it to niches?

Eg. Town Power, Neutral Killer, Mafia Support etc.

- This is not a popularity or troll contest, vote for which one you truly would want to see in the game.

This is in a way a popularity contest...

Remember: Top 3 Roles make it to R&D for Serious Consideration to Implement

Not sure if serious...

[gaspiden]

Than random votes, classify it to niches?

Eg. Town Power, Neutral Killer, Mafia Support etc.



This is in a way a popularity contest...



Not sure if serious...

By popularity contest, I mean people who will vote for said role simply because their friend suggested it rather than voting for legitimate reasons. Same goes for trolling. I have classified them into niches, the different colors represent different alignments: Green - town, red - maf, yellow - neutral, purple - neutral evil.

[Ambient]

Remember this poll is not sponsored by any official movement, and may not affect any addition to the actual game.

[Nick]

I'll vote. But I really need to read all of them first. Will take time, no doubt about that. Thus the suggestion of breaking them up.

[Elixir]

No one asked me if you could put shit in r and d. That's a pretty stupid thing to post without consent.

What, exactly, do you think you're trying to do here?

[Lazers]

You're missing a potentially wide range of roles from R&D =/

[Glip]

You're missing a potentially wide range of roles from R&D =/

Even if he had access to R&D and knew what was in there, he couldn't post anything about it here.

Last I heard, stuff from R&D is supposed to remain secret for some reason.

[Lazers]

Even if he had access to R&D and knew what was in there, he couldn't post anything about it here.

Last I heard, stuff from R&D is supposed remain secret for some reason.

That's what I mean

[Raptorblaze]

Even if he had access to R&D and knew what was in there, he couldn't post anything about it here.

Last I heard, stuff from R&D is supposed remain secret for some reason.

There are good reasons, one of which is that sometimes things are not possible for technical reasons and canceling something that the players are excited about would end badly...

[Glip]

That's what I mean

I believe the point of this thread was to try and get stuff into R&D, so it wouldn't matter if he was missing stuff that's already in R&D.

[gaspiden]

No one asked me if you could put shit in r and d. That's a pretty stupid thing to post without consent.

What, exactly, do you think you're trying to do here?

All I was going to do was email DR with the results. I believe they will be taken much more seriously if there is a bunch people shown to support the role rather than one. I mean no disrespect, I worked hard on this and I was hoping it would be helpful since it would be the first poll combining a variety of suggestions from different users. I never mentioned they WOULD be implemented for certain, just taken with more consideration. At the end, it's to the discretion of the creators.

My intentions are good and selfless, I hope you can understand.

[Lazers]

I believe the point of this thread was to try and get stuff into R&D, so it wouldn't matter if he was missing stuff that's already in R&D.

I could just smuggle this shit into R&D if needed, and most of these roles are already decent so no need for a poll to do so

[Glip]

There are good reasons, one of which is that sometimes things are not possible for technical reasons and canceling something that the players are excited about would end badly...

I didn't doubt that there were good reasons. I was just too tired at the moment to think of any on my own :P

I could just smuggle this shit into R&D if needed, and most of these roles are already decent so no need for a poll to do so

Doing it this way allows him to show which roles have popular support from those without access to R&D, which DR may choose to take into account when deciding which roles to implement.
His only mistake was stating that the top 3 roles would certainly get put in R&D.

[Nick]

All I was going to do was email DR with the results. I believe they will be taken much more seriously if there is a bunch people shown to support the role rather than one. I mean no disrespect, I worked hard on this and I was hoping it would be helpful since it would be the first poll combining a variety of suggestions from different users. I never mentioned they WOULD be implemented for certain, just taken with more consideration. At the end, it's to the discretion of the creators.

My intentions are good and selfless, I hope you can understand.

R&D is called R&D and not Implementation for a reason.

Instead of preoccupation with roles, try:
1) Put more emphasis on mechanics
2) Interaction with other roles
3) Overlap between suggested mechanics
4) Balance compared to existing roles
etc.

I'm pretty sure Mafia Discussion is taken seriously by the moderators. Just that there might be too many overlapping suggestions, spam threads by trolls, and non-role related discussion, thus the R&D filter.

And as Lazers said, good mechanics are smuggled into R&D.

[LasagnaHog]

Cult is underpowered in games with Mason Leader. I'd like to see more neutral roles rather than more town or maf roles, the game is much more fun as a neutral than as a doc most of the time.

[Pokemon Trainer Red]

I do like the Drug Dealer.

[gaspiden]

R&D is called R&D and not Implementation for a reason.

Instead of preoccupation with roles, try:
1) Put more emphasis on mechanics
2) Interaction with other roles
3) Overlap between suggested mechanics
4) Balance compared to existing roles
etc.

I'm pretty sure Mafia Discussion is taken seriously by the moderators. Just that there might be too many overlapping suggestions, spam threads by trolls, and non-role related discussion, thus the R&D filter.

And as Lazers said, good mechanics are smuggled into R&D.

Alright good to know, I already took out the implementation wording from my post.

I never meant to be carried away, just trying to remain optimistic.

[Nick]

Enchantress: Semi-Witch and Semi-"{forgot name}: visitors are roleblocked" mechanics. On usage, either or, not both. Prefer not to split. OK

Locksmith: Nerfed Jailor mechanics. Link AGAINST OK

Pickpocket: Roleblock with single night frame announced to town. Consort with gimped framing. AGAINST


MORE TO COME.

EDIT: Some roles may be improved so that they are feasible. Other roles will become redundant once other similar roles are implemented. But too lazy to think of suggestions to improve and ways to avoid overlap.

[Auckmid]

Very misguiding OP. Doesn't nessicarily mean anything happens to the winning roles. R&D mods haven't agree to anything, and even if you have a VIP/Donor buddy to post winning roles, still doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination they will get implemented. This is a completely unofficial poll, and the results are unlikely to do anything.

Would have been better if you had have made a compendium of popular suggested roles and request they get considered at R&D. People may not like it, but that's where all the desicion making comes from.

[gaspiden]

Very misguiding OP. Doesn't nessicarily mean anything happens to the winning roles. R&D mods haven't agree to anything, and even if you have a VIP/Donor buddy to post winning roles, still doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination they will get implemented. This is a completely unofficial poll, and the results are unlikely to do anything.

Would have been better if you had have made a compendium of popular suggested roles and request they get considered at R&D. People may not like it, but that's where all the desicion making comes from.

Whether or not the roles get adopted is quite irrelevant. The fact is that I'm trying to gather information, data, using a poll as a survey to see which roles would be the most popular among the mafia sc2 community. The results should become a clear indication to what the people want and hopefully (don't want to sound too informal here) would be enough of a push for the development team and DR to code them. Of course it's not as simple as that, there's many other implications, but I believe it would prove to be a convenient and veritable source of data. And in some sense, it doesn't matter if this gets posted on R&D. Most of the mods and admins will see this thread regardless. I mainly used the proposition to entice people to vote, in hindsight probably not the best idea, since I can't guarantee anything. However, in the end it's mainly a survey, and it's the results that should be taken into consideration.

[FrostByte]

Who the fuck are you?
You don't even have R&D access, yet you're trying to run an official poll? LOLOLOLOL
This doesn't mean shit. The results of this will be laughed at... You're just fucking mad because you don't have R&D access.
Guess what?
You spent all that time for no reason. Know your role, newbie.

[FrostByte]

And in some sense, it doesn't matter if this gets posted on R&D. However, in the end it's mainly a survey, and it's the results that should be taken into consideration.

Wrong.
Anything outside of R&D will be considered trollable material and guess what? It'll be trolled. This is not legitimate data in any way. You wasted your time. I would expect nothing less from someone who allows EliteMarine to be his leader, though... lololol

You should also polish up your grammar. It's mediocre at best.

[Gingerape]

Wrong.
Anything outside of R&D will be considered trollable material and guess what? It'll be trolled. This is not legitimate data in any way. You wasted your time. I would expect nothing less from someone who allows EliteMarine to be his leader, though... lololol

You should also polish up your grammar. It's mediocre at best.

im in the army guild! ):

[Auckmid]

Wrong.
Anything outside of R&D will be considered trollable material and guess what? It'll be trolled. This is not legitimate data in any way. You wasted your time.

^Sad truth. The very best you can realisticaly hope from anything posted inside of Mafia Discusion is that Staff/Donor/VIP will decide to make a thread about it in R&D. Staff has stopped realy taking much interest in MD. I'll leave it at that since I've already recieved one warning about leaking R&D information. I like polls. However, trust me when I say an MD poll will not be taken seriously. A well made compendium of popular ideas are more likely to be taken seriously.

[Fatalis]

im in the army guild! ):

I want to join too

[suicidaln00b]

in which i project my epic le reddit trolling skills to effectively eradicate the goyim of our sacred grounds; i am one of the few who have been honored to savor the taste of lord DR's dosh-absorbing wang which vaguely tastes like copper and wet paper

ITT: jews

the only difference between mafia discussion and R&D is that one of them has a 30 dollar entry fee; the sole purpose of R&D is to amplify your ability to draw DR's attention because you're throwing money in his face

get over yourselves babbies

[Nick]

Staff has stopped realy taking much interest in MD.

Really? I saw stuffs going into R&D from MD and thought MD was not totally abandoned...

Sorry gaspiden. False information from me...

[creedkingsx]

Really? I saw stuffs going into R&D from MD and thought MD was not totally abandoned...

Sorry gaspiden. False information from me...

I take it upon myself to pull stuff from MD that I think is notable. Like the Randoms, I mentioned it in R&D but it wasn't my idea. I quoted the OP in the thread. It has now been implemented.

[Chane]

I take it upon myself to pull stuff from MD that I think is notable. Like the Randoms, I mentioned it in R&D but it wasn't my idea. I quoted the OP in the thread. It has now been implemented.

so this thread is helpful after all ^^

the votes mean nothing but this is a nice hub of the overlooked suggestions.

[Nick]

Prisoner: Unsure about exact contribution to WIFOM. How does this role change gameplay? AGAINST

Hustler: Interrogator night chat mechanics is good even as standalone, not convinced with the rest. For Hustler better choose target at day. OK

Sleuth / Dirty Sleuth: Tried and tested. SUPPORT

Mortician: Tried and tested. SUPPORT

Cleric: How to avoid the unculted from revealing cult? AGAINST

[LeaD]

Enchantress: Semi-Witch and Semi-"{forgot name}: visitors are roleblocked" mechanics. On usage, either or, not both. Prefer not to split. OK

Locksmith: Nerfed Jailor mechanics. AGAINST

Pickpocket: Roleblock with single night frame announced to town. Consort with gimped framing. AGAINST


MORE TO COME.

EDIT: Some roles may be improved so that they are feasible. Other roles will become redundant once other similar roles are implemented. But too lazy to think of suggestions to improve and ways to avoid overlap.

Just to add something that wasn't added in the discussion: Mafia can WIFOM hard with Pickpocket, claiming that they show up as cit cuz they got robbed :o, cc-ing pickpocket like a boss.

Also, the locksmith is a lot more versatile than being a simple jailor clone.
1. His ability doesn't depends on whether or not somebody got lynched.
2. He can't kill.
3. He can't talk with his target.
2 + 3 these mechanics also work in favor for evil/maf roles, since jailor would just execute any fake claims to being imprisoned, whereas locksmith can't do that (also i firmly believe Jailor is by far the strongest role in the entire game.. period)

[Nick]

Just to add something that wasn't added in the discussion: Mafia can WIFOM hard with Pickpocket, claiming that they show up as cit cuz they got robbed :o, cc-ing pickpocket like a boss.

Also, the locksmith is a lot more versatile than being a simple jailor clone.
1. His ability doesn't depends on whether or not somebody got lynched.
2. He can't kill.
3. He can't talk with his target.
2 + 3 these mechanics also work in favor for evil/maf roles, since jailor would just execute any fake claims to being imprisoned, whereas locksmith can't do that (also i firmly believe Jailor is by far the strongest role in the entire game.. period)

Changed my mind about Locksmith. It's actually workable. Though I'm not sure if charged uses or alternate night is better. Coding for charged uses is available. Not sure about alternate nights. Though alternate nights seemed for suitable to avoid spamming on revealed mayor. Roleblock should not affect lookout and detective. But we need to think on the feedback message for roleblock?

Still not convinced with pickpocket...

[Cryptonic]

So, did everyone just come in and post their own suggestions or something lmao

[Chane]

So, did everyone just come in and post their own suggestions or something lmao

yeh I think so. the poll is bullshit. he should just list them and nothing more.

[Blazer]

lol OP

[Gzz]

Cleric: How to avoid the unculted from revealing cult? AGAINST[/QUOTE]

MMMM , maybe the limiteded charges and the anymosly of the chat makes the cult discovery a bit difficult ?

[Raptorblaze]

^Sad truth. The very best you can realisticaly hope from anything posted inside of Mafia Discusion is that Staff/Donor/VIP will decide to make a thread about it in R&D. Staff has stopped realy taking much interest in MD. I'll leave it at that since I've already recieved one warning about leaking R&D information. I like polls. However, trust me when I say an MD poll will not be taken seriously. A well made compendium of popular ideas are more likely to be taken seriously.

Actually Mafia Discussion is taken very seriously, just not as much in terms of suggested roles. High quality suggestions are still pulled (by creed or another mod) and added to R&D. The problem is that a lot of the role suggestions in Mafia Discussion aren't all that great...

[McKinley]

I think he meant to imply YOU have no respect, Frost.

Just sayin'.

[Cryptonic]

I like page 3

[Raptorblaze]

This thread has caused too many infractions, and it's op is now permabanned. I'm closing it down.