S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[Dark Magician]

why do u even care about the neutral, its kinda gamethrow if u just publish an article from a neutral over martin who can provide the town with a confirm clear

Your right.
I just would personally feel bad for Achro, I have a tendency for neutral love.

[powerofdeath]

Remind me, who were all the voters on that wagon?
It sure wasn’t just them yeah?

Ikarusdk, Stellaria, Kutiplz, Ultra, Mac, Achro, MartinGG

[Stellaria]

I agree. I don't think kuti-stella is WvW

please don't call me Stella

[ikarusdk]

Ikarusdk, Stellaria, Kutiplz, Ultra, Mac, Achro, MartinGG

I love it how we all agree Achro is neutral because of his insistence despite no evidence for it.
I love it how we all refuse to go there.
Myself included.

[powerofdeath]

Ikarusdk, Stellaria, Kutiplz, Ultra, Mac, Achro, MartinGG

Also people voting Mac was

myself, Dark Magician, MM, and banana

Three people werent on those trains:

Debbie/Arrow/Wiisp

[ikarusdk]

please don't call me Stella

yeah sorry steallaria

[Dark Magician]

I'm actually surprised that you aren't the one that was killed. You obviously hinted at a great deal of PR abilities.

Why are you so confident in your abililty to live past day 1 when you explicitly said you are helpful from day 2? Why would they kill Martin who hasn't claimed anything in a room full of PR claims such as your self?

I only claimed Medium that blesses, it’s not “a great deal of PR abilities” lmao.
“So confident to live last day 1” idk man I said I’d accept death if I died day 1 but you seem my claim man lol, you should obviously know why I am useful past day 1 and would be beneficial to solving the wolves here lmao.
Martin had softed? Lol. He was also not suspected like I was.

I had you as town, but this post no longer makes you town for me, you might be wolf tbh.

[Dark Magician]

What's your read there?

It was something they said yesterday I believe that stood out to me as Townie.
I don’t remember what it was, but I had them as town, so won’t surprise me if they flip town.
As I said, likely town.

[Dark Magician]

I will probably look more into them though if I get the chance.

[ikarusdk]

I only claimed Medium that blesses, it’s not “a great deal of PR abilities” lmao.
“So confident to live last day 1” idk man I said I’d accept death if I died day 1 but you seem my claim man lol, you should obviously know why I am useful past day 1 and would be beneficial to solving the wolves here lmao.
Martin had softed? Lol. He was also not suspected like I was.

I had you as town, but this post no longer makes you town for me, you might be wolf tbh.

why, for asking you a valid question? This is a poor reason to change your townlist and feels more like OMGUS.

See, if I know you are useful past day 1 and beneficial to solving wolves, why wouldn't wolves kill you? That is like an obvious target for mafia.

[Dark Magician]

Because I know Banana since like 2014. Thats almost 9 years, I can tell his writing apart from Dark's

Oh shit the dude actually had the fucking nerve to say it was fake despite the fact you can just put someone in as a medium to confirm?

Yeah this guys a fucking wolf.

-vote Ikarusdk

[ikarusdk]

why, for asking you a valid question? This is a poor reason to change your townlist and feels more like OMGUS.

See, if I know you are useful past day 1 and beneficial to solving wolves, why wouldn't wolves kill you? That is like an obvious target for mafia.

Before anyone reads that as if im mafia and i know you were useful why wouldn't i kill

it was grammatical error, not a slip.

First to admit

[Dark Magician]

Not Pod atm, but I have reasons for Dark + Kuti (kuti to a lesser degree)

“ATM”

Motherfucker why are you attacking the Medium claims?

[ikarusdk]

Oh shit the dude actually had the fucking nerve to say it was fake despite the fact you can just put someone in as a medium to confirm?

Yeah this guys a fucking wolf.

-vote Ikarusdk

there is no mention in my post at all that your claim was fake.

I believe in your claim.

What I don't trust is that you are town medium, and you could've amended banana's post.

That is where i was getting at.

[ikarusdk]

“ATM”

Motherfucker why are you attacking the Medium claims?

because like mediums can be of both alignment, amiright

[Dark Magician]

Martin's role when he dies says that he can list 5 players, and he'll get one town player as feedback.

Oh shit, hell yeah I’m using my final ability on Martin.

[ikarusdk]

Before anyone reads that as if im mafia and i know you were useful why wouldn't i kill

it was grammatical error, not a slip.

First to admit

i mean that is what i meant, what i didn't mean was i know im mafia so why wouldn't i kill.

smh. panicked because i realised how my post could've been read.

[Dark Magician]

If you pointed a gun at my head and I had to provide 3 names, it would be kuti, PoD, and Dark Magician

Why would both mediums be wolves?
Lmao.

[ikarusdk]

You still haven't answered to my question.

Why were you so confident that you'd live past day 1?

You stated you are useful to town post day 1.

Why would they not kill you?

[Dark Magician]

@Dark , would appreciate it if you could respond to my question sooner than later.

WOW

It’s almost as if I was catching up on Posts!

[ikarusdk]

Why would both mediums be wolves?
Lmao.

hence I'm asking you, not pod lmao.

[Dark Magician]

Oh would you look at that.

[Dark Magician]

I was

[Dark Magician]

Martin's have a list of 5 or 6 people, it will be revealed to him that one of them is a confirmed town upon his death. Since he's dead he took that information to the grave. Thats why its important for us to get the information from him

I hope he gets my name.
Or even yours if your town so at least I would know it is true that mediums are all town and wolves probably desperately want us out due to it.

[ikarusdk]

Your change in tone and passive aggressiveness doesn't help alleviate my suspicion on you.

I don't perceive you as the type to go crazy the moment someone points finger at them (as some players did day 1)

But your tones have changed so much in this regard, I wonder if I prodded in your sore spot.

[Dark Magician]

I agree. I don't think kuti-stella is WvW

I don’t think they should be executed back to back either.
Can both be town.

[powerofdeath]

Made up my mind. Was working on something like this earlier but I think I've finalized it.

Marshmallow Marshall
Ultra
Dark Magician
Achro
Macdougall
Wiisp

Ordering is semi-important here. If Macdougall or anyone else on that list flips today I will be putting Banana in the same spot.


speaking of that, here is vc so far

TheBananaBaroness (3):
ikarusdk, Kutiplz, Stellaria
macdougall (4):
Marshmallow Marshall, Wiisp, Dark Magician, MartinGG99
Achro (3):
Ultra, TheBananaBaroness, powerofdeath
Kutiplz (1):
macdougall
Arrow (1):
Loldebite

this was his list

[ikarusdk]

Also you read everyone's post correctly,

and you put words in my mouth and said I don't think you are medium?

That isn't where I was getting at.

[Stellaria]

Why would both mediums be wolves?
Lmao.

I don't necessarily think that all three of these slots are wolf, DM. What it means is that I think, for the moment, that at least one of them is wolf, and I want to see one of these three slots get resolved. (Hopefully, anyway)

[Dark Magician]

Ikarusdk, Stellaria, Kutiplz, Ultra, Mac, Achro, MartinGG

Stellar is obvious town.
Kuti is probably town.
I vibe town Ultra however Banana thinks they might be wolf.
Mac I’ve wolf read yesterday, I’m torn on them today but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were wolf because as I said previously their progression on my slot was bad, however their reason for townreading me was pretty damn good but sounded very efforty? If that makes sense?
Ikarudk I did town read day 1 but from their posts today, they are my top pick for wolf right now.

[Stellaria]

Actually, no, my poe is flawed. I need to reconsider. If we chop one medium, the other will probably just get shot.

[Dark Magician]

I love it how we all agree Achro is neutral because of his insistence despite no evidence for it.
I love it how we all refuse to go there.
Myself included.

This is bad post, banana went there I think, POD started the fucking train up.

Ikaru not only said “refuse to go there” that makes this post wolfy but also said “love it how we all agree Achro is neutral” and “despite no evidence for it” like they are trying to hinder Achro as another execution option without actually pushing for that or that idea.

[Achro]

I would advise set up gaming, I don't think a wolf medium just blurts out they are a medium tbh.

In the game I had a wolf medium day 1 I had to basically beat the claim out of him.

[Stellaria]

This is bad post, banana went there I think, POD started the fucking train up.

Ikaru not only said “refuse to go there” that makes this post wolfy but also said “love it how we all agree Achro is neutral” and “despite no evidence for it” like they are trying to hinder Achro as another execution option without actually pushing for that or that idea.

actually it was me who went there, yesterday

i said that i thought Achro couldve been townie actually
now that he's basically claimed warlock it's a moot point

[Achro]

Anyway it would be a weird thing to lie about being a neutral. I don't think I'd ever bother as a wolf, I'd just win the normal way.

stellaria upon reflection is prob just town, I wouldn't mark that tonight tbh

[Achro]

Warlock is only one of my three win conditions.

I can also get dk to day 5

or get two blessings

[Dark Magician]

why, for asking you a valid question? This is a poor reason to change your townlist and feels more like OMGUS.

See, if I know you are useful past day 1 and beneficial to solving wolves, why wouldn't wolves kill you? That is like an obvious target for mafia.

They aren’t valid though? Not if you like actually think about the question you asked? Lmao.
You also didn’t ask a question in your first part there, your first part was obviously shade towards my slot lol.

And the question you did ask right here is an example of how invalid your fucking questions are lol.
You already asked this and I already explained it’s because I am suspected.

[macdougall]

Here was some things that was also said from Banana afterwards:

Banana says they died because scum saw an advantage to drop a hinted at PR that me and POD refused to “shut up about” as they put it.
They also told me to not push or vote POD today.
They said the slot can be analyzed further but seeing who POD picks as the Heatmiser (other anonymous medium, I am the Frostmiser.)
Told me if POD is town we lose so much, said if they are scum that can be found out

Also they talk about Gopher who I think is Ultra?
They say there was a post they made about banana hinting at their claim but not claiming it and then called Banana obnoxious which didn’t sit well with Banana.

Banana told MM earlier that they were refusing to claim and Banana kept trying to downgrade me from claiming them to be Ghost of Christmas Past.
Then they bring up Post #1179
Banana said that both the VT claim and the neutral claim were low risk votes and we lose nothing of value if we're wrong.
They were alluding to the fact because of their claims we wouldn’t lose a PR.
Gopher says “What makes Mac lower value than you”?
Banana told me “this can be interpreted two ways: he thinks I'm stating that I'm a higher value player (not at all what I'm alluding to), or he thinks that I'm alluding to being a PR”
Banana then follows up by saying they never claimed anything about themselves but Gopher makes it about Banana’s role with that comment.

Then Banana replied “You’re gonna have to wait and see” in post #1182
and he says in post #1189 that Banana was being obnoxious for garnering attention and flirting around their claim but not actually saying it.
Which wasn’t what Banana was doing at all.

Banana says he’s the one that tried to poke some info out of them even though they were adamant for a long time that it wasn't going to happen, and that Banana despises setup spec especially on day 1, and that they didn't want Myself or POD claiming for them.
They said if they responded any other way then they give away information banana doesn’t want to give.


Banana also says there was thoughts they could have said day 2 that MM knows they are more then capable of doing but MM kept saying stuff like “as long as you contribute later on”.

Banana is fairly certain there is a wolf in MM/Ultra? I think Ultra is Gopher, MM/Gopher they said.

Here’s also what Banana said if they are town.

Town!MM maybe just distancing from banana because they know its a lost cause and is truly worried about being miseliminated as town

Town!Gopher would just be gatekeeping

Banana then followed up with that if they are both town the game of mafia has evolved past the point where they can’t keep up properly to it


For the Record though, I still townread Ultra because I’m a stubborn piece of shit and still think they are tone town.
But Banana has their take on the slot of which I shared.

Thanks for sharing all of this. I am at work so I can't do much right now but as I stated right through the EOD I felt like Banana was going to be a miselim and really didn't want him to go, and I also felt like you were being positioned earlier in the day as one.

I am very keen to just townlock you, and I am also pretty fine with townlocking PoD. I think Achro is genuine, and I agree with you on Ultra. I think Ika is obvious town. I also had Martin in my towncore and now he's dead confirmed town. Ironically of my towncore he was my least confident member. Now that honour belongs to Stellaria.

The read that has changed for me the most is my Wiisp scumread. I am now relatively confident it's town Wiisp. I think he was genuine in his frustration with Banana and others at EOD yesterday and his approach is very towny now.

POE

Arrow
Kuti
Marshall

[Dark Magician]

there is no mention in my post at all that your claim was fake.

I believe in your claim.

What I don't trust is that you are town medium, and you could've amended banana's post.

That is where i was getting at.

No where did I say you thought my Med claim was fake LMAO
It’s BOLDED I was talking about.


Damn you’re a terrible group wolf eh? Haha.

[ikarusdk]

They aren’t valid though? Not if you like actually think about the question you asked? Lmao.
You also didn’t ask a question in your first part there, your first part was obviously shade towards my slot lol.

And the question you did ask right here is an example of how invalid your fucking questions are lol.
You already asked this and I already explained it’s because I am suspected.

Yeah but we both know your wagon was going nowhere. At EoD it was between you and mac.

[powerofdeath]

Warlock is only one of my three win conditions.

I can also get dk to day 5

or get two blessings

DK?

[Dark Magician]

You still haven't answered to my question.

Why were you so confident that you'd live past day 1?

You stated you are useful to town post day 1.

Why would they not kill you?

I wasn’t?
Again, I was accepting death?

[ikarusdk]

No where did I say you thought my Med claim was fake LMAO
It’s BOLDED I was talking about.


Damn you’re a terrible group wolf eh? Haha.

Oh shit the dude actually had the fucking nerve to say it was fake despite the fact you can just put someone in as a medium to confirm?

Yeah this guys a fucking wolf.

-vote Ikarusdk

Ok there is 99.999999999% + 0.0000000001% possibility I misread the first sentence.

[Dark Magician]

Actually, no, my poe is flawed. I need to reconsider. If we chop one medium, the other will probably just get shot.

Exactly.
And if me and PoD are both town, wolves WANT to push us because we are Medium Roles.

[Achro]

DK?

oh, ikarusdk

the last two letters just stick out to me more lol

[macdougall]

I didnt like the way Stellaria's reaction to the Hydra thing. I think it was greatly exaggerated and feel like it was a bit dumbtelling. Especially after several posts by other people saying that Banana is not a hydra. Then Stellaria threw a fit and went ahead and voted Banana for it. Thats already -1

People who voted a mislem is also -1

I havent seen Stellaria making reads much this game yet beside this hydra incident. His playstyle is also pretty similar to a recent FM we had a couple months back when he was mafia.

Interesting.

[Achro]

-vote Kutiplz

Might as well vote with my wincon lol

[ikarusdk]

Why I've been shading dark and pushing.

I received a carol last night.

Names that popped up were Dark, Kuti and MM.

[macdougall]

I feel you are grossly misrepresenting the situation PoD.

I wanted people to pay more attention to Banana. I wanted people not to just give Banana a day 1 pass because supposedly someone on his hydra is new.

Kuti is the prime example of a person doing just that, and did not actually pay any attention to Banana until after I said something.

I made it apparent that if Banana wasn't a hydra, I'd be campaigning for everyone to vote for him.

Marshall outright told me to ask Frinckles. And I did. He was completely unaware of any hydras in this game.

Banana lied about frinckles signing off on Toad joining a hydra. Banana in fact outright admitted to not being in a hydra.

For being one of the top-posters, Banana was actively doing everything he could to not be helpful. And he was lying.

You cannot make me feel bad for being on that wagon. You cannot do it. Do not pass go and do not collect 20

Towny and reasonable.

[macdougall]

-vote Kutiplz

if town I'll be intensely surprised.