S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[powerofdeath]

okay well I missed that

but here's another argument; does that make a difference? flavor doesn't necessarily correlate with alignment.

I mean when both Ghost of Christmas Present and Future both hard claimed, and had very similar roles, you should be able to connect the dots that the past probably also have a similar role.

[ikarusdk]

Hes a troll, yes, kinda deserve to be lynched as well. But the fact remained is that you/ikarusdk/kutiplz still lynched an obvious PR.

He literally slipped that he was Ghost of the Christmas Past on his post #1

and we were supposed to believe the claim of a troll?

[powerofdeath]

and we were supposed to believe the claim of a troll?

Heres the thing, he SLIPPED it, not claimed

[Stellaria]

I mean when both Ghost of Christmas Present and Future both hard claimed, and had very similar roles, you should be able to connect the dots that the past probably also have a similar role.

very similar role != very similar alignment

i could host a game with a town roleblocker and a mafoa roleblocker. similar roles, not so much alignment

[ikarusdk]

Heres the thing, he SLIPPED it, not claimed

OOoooooooo it is I, the ghost of Banana past

Btw I was preapproved to HYDRA with BananaCucho, gl hf everyone, no rage quits pls

well i don't think that was a slip

[Stellaria]

mafia*

[Dark Magician]

I have the exact same rolecard as Banana except its even night only.

My suspicious on DM is growing. I just dont believe that town have 3 mediums, one very op version of mediums, and 2 very restrictive roles. I think the mafia have the stronger of the three. But with that being said, unless others want DM gone, I do think we can just use DM to keep posting stuff from the grave until we have to resolve his slot. So we can keep him around for now. I rather want to focus on people who were on Banana’s wagon and have no reasons to.

My current chopping block:
Stellaria
Kutiplz
ikarusdk

I was told by Banana to not push or vote you today and I’ll obey as such.

Also as I told Bananna in dead chat, I am a 2-Shot I do have restrictions so I can only use my ability one more time.

[Stellaria]

im gonna go look at this post now, you're telling me one thing and ikarus thinks differently

[powerofdeath]

well i don't think that was a slip

Why not? Did u read Dark Magician's article from Banana?

[Stellaria]

I was told by Banana to not push or vote you today and I’ll obey as such.

Also as I told Bananna in dead chat, I am a 2-Shot I do have restrictions so I can only use my ability one more time.

it'd be for the best if you used it to get Martin's info

[Dark Magician]

Both me and Dark Magician can get a confirmed town from MartinGG tonight. I’ll pick someone trustworthy and DM will also publish it

Yeah I can use my last shot tonight if you want me to but I’ll feel bad for Achro if they died and just needed one more blessing and I won’t be able to give them it.

[powerofdeath]

Yeah I can use my last shot tonight if you want me to but I’ll feel bad for Achro if they died and just needed one more blessing and I won’t be able to give them it.

why do u even care about the neutral, its kinda gamethrow if u just publish an article from a neutral over martin who can provide the town with a confirm clear

[ikarusdk]

I was told by Banana to not push or vote you today and I’ll obey as such.

Also as I told Bananna in dead chat, I am a 2-Shot I do have restrictions so I can only use my ability one more time.

I'm actually surprised that you aren't the one that was killed. You obviously hinted at a great deal of PR abilities.

Why are you so confident in your abililty to live past day 1 when you explicitly said you are helpful from day 2? Why would they kill Martin who hasn't claimed anything in a room full of PR claims such as your self?

[Dark Magician]

I would imagine kuti plz being a wolf atm for what it is worth. I don't think more than 1 wolf was on any wagon there but could be surprised.

Tbh I think Kuti is probably town.

[Stellaria]

OOoooooooo it is I, the ghost of Banana past

Btw I was preapproved to HYDRA with BananaCucho, gl hf everyone, no rage quits pls

are you sure this was even a slip?

[powerofdeath]

why do u even care about the neutral, its kinda gamethrow if u just publish an article from a neutral over martin who can provide the town with a confirm clear

In a town perspective, you probably think i'm mafia and i would send my partner to fake a clear, and we dont have 2nd person to validate the clear. Thats why its kinda important that we have 2 different people to confirm a clear

[Dark Magician]

Oh also, note that while the night stuff makes DM look like his claim is valid, it does not make him necessarily town. I would not be terribly surprised to see one of the ghosts of Christmas (probably the three ghosts from the story, and if it's not that, my disappointment will be extreme frinckles) be scum

Your right.
It does not make me town.
I’m still gonna relay everything I can from dead chat though.
Make sure dead townies are heard.

[ikarusdk]

Why not? Did u read Dark Magician's article from Banana?

if you are referring to Dark's SOD2 post, yeah I've read it.

The reason why I could not believe Banana's 'slip-as you call it' Ghost of Christmas.

His very second post said it is him Ghost of Banana past - how is that a slip? It's literally playing on words. It's a claim masked by his joking nature.

The rest of banana's posts were either jokes or scrutinizing the rest of us for speculation.

The only revealing and very helpful info came from Frinkckles.

Also why are you so confident in Dark's post from Banana was not amended?

[Achro]

Tbh I think Kuti is probably town.

What's your read there?

[powerofdeath]

if you are referring to Dark's SOD2 post, yeah I've read it.

The reason why I could not believe Banana's 'slip-as you call it' Ghost of Christmas.

His very second post said it is him Ghost of Banana past - how is that a slip? It's literally playing on words. It's a claim masked by his joking nature.

The rest of banana's posts were either jokes or scrutinizing the rest of us for speculation.

The only revealing and very helpful info came from Frinkckles.

Also why are you so confident in Dark's post from Banana was not amended?

Because I know Banana since like 2014. Thats almost 9 years, I can tell his writing apart from Dark's

[Dark Magician]

why do Mac and Achro get a pass for voting for Banana after it became a wagon but you put Ikarus and myself on the chopping block for voting for Banana before it was a wagon?

I’m pretty sure Banana also called you town?
From how I interpreted what they said about basically the first voter on them is INNO or whatever.
Like the initial player that was trying to push them, which was you.

[ikarusdk]

PoD and Dark both playing as Medium and Pod's insistence that two has to verify the words of dead people - and yet they can only do it on even or odd nights and there is no way to verify it because if they were WvW, they could easily amend the posts. The only thing we can trust is the message from the grave by host.

Not to mention Dark saying banana said pod should not be touched.

How convenient.

Anyway, I was proding about Kuti, but my stance changed

-vote Dark Magician

[Stellaria]

I don't trust PoD for the moment Ikarus but I think tossing either of them is the wrong move

[ikarusdk]

I don't trust PoD for the moment Ikarus but I think tossing either of them is the wrong move

Not Pod atm, but I have reasons for Dark + Kuti (kuti to a lesser degree)

[Dark Magician]

-vote Stellaria

This is currently my top read aside from Dark Magician. I just cant see this slot being town either.

Banana would likely oppose to this vote.
Banana thinks it’s MM/Ultra.
I personally town read Ultra. But I can see MM being a wolf here.

I do agree with Banana though that Stellar is Innocent.
Like the way Stellar pushed on Banana initially felt genuine while the people who piled on them didn’t. Actually the more I think about it, MM had a talk with Stellar about Banana?

Idk, maybe you should look at that tbh.

[Stellaria]

for starters, can we talk about kuti?

...what the hell was all of that yesterday? You went from Day 1 passing Banana to day 1 Wagoning Banana. Did my words strike your heart true?

[Dark Magician]

If Kuti is wolf, Arrow is wolf.

I think Arrow could be a wolf regardless tbh.

[ikarusdk]

PoD is more because 1. I sus dark 2. their association with their roles + messages were all too convenient.

I don't sus PoD because he put us on chopping block. That isn't me.

[Stellaria]

Not Pod atm, but I have reasons for Dark + Kuti (kuti to a lesser degree)

I really hope you're not fuckin with me

[Dark Magician]

If we can kill kuti today and then stellaria tomorrow I will be out of everyone's way btw

I think it’s possible those are back to back ML’s.
We need to think carefully here.

[Dark Magician]

Down for either Stellar or Kuti

When are we getting this list of Martin's? Who do you think was shielded by him?

List?

[Dark Magician]

Also couldn’t have Martin just been targeted normally?
I hope they would be told which one though or else there wont be an actual clear tbh.

[Stellaria]

Martin's role when he dies says that he can list 5 players, and he'll get one town player as feedback.

[powerofdeath]

List?

Martin's have a list of 5 or 6 people, it will be revealed to him that one of them is a confirmed town upon his death. Since he's dead he took that information to the grave. Thats why its important for us to get the information from him

[Stellaria]

@Kutiplz Are you a wolfy?

[Dark Magician]

I didnt like the way Stellaria's reaction to the Hydra thing. I think it was greatly exaggerated and feel like it was a bit dumbtelling. Especially after several posts by other people saying that Banana is not a hydra. Then Stellaria threw a fit and went ahead and voted Banana for it. Thats already -1

People who voted a mislem is also -1

I havent seen Stellaria making reads much this game yet beside this hydra incident. His playstyle is also pretty similar to a recent FM we had a couple months back when he was mafia.

I’m pretty sure you’re viewing it wrong.
Might want to double check.
Stellar was hesitant to vote Banana due to it being a Hydra and there being someone who’s new or whatever, least I’m pretty sure that later part is correct because it kinda can make you feel like you don’t want to vote it.
Stellar pushed on Banana genuinely because I believe they had suspicion on the slot outside of them being a hydra but didn’t want to vote them because they were claiming to be a hydra but when they were told they weren’t hydra they voted Banana.

[ikarusdk]

I really hope you're not fuckin with me

No I am not fucking with you. I have reasons. Who are in your Poe?

[Dark Magician]

I placed a marker on kuti and if I get two markers executed I am on my way.

As you can see I was not trying to pick off highly thought of players

Right I mean I TR Stellar more and could be wrong on Kuti so I don’t hate the idea of voting them.
I can be wrong but I am pretty sure Kuti will flip town.
My suggestion though is for you to mark someone else next, Stellar is town.

[Dark Magician]

Tomorrow, I'm sending someone to talk to him tonight, and Dark Magician SHOULD publish an article from him.

I’m down to use my one shot tonight, still will feel bad for Achro though after I use it lol.

[Stellaria]

No I am not fucking with you. I have reasons. Who are in your Poe?

If you pointed a gun at my head and I had to provide 3 names, it would be kuti, PoD, and Dark Magician

[Stellaria]

Oh I guess maybe Achro could go in there? I dont want to be marked

[Dark Magician]

Also question.

Why are people not suspecting Wisp again?

[ikarusdk]

@Dark , would appreciate it if you could respond to my question sooner than later.

[Stellaria]

hang on what has wisp been doing I forgot

[Dark Magician]

Ah apologies, yesterday were just my reads as the day went on.

Each night I can mark someone, if I get 2 marks voted out that is a win condition for me. I felt kuti had wolf equity given the flow of the topic and their votes so I went there.

It doesn't need to be stellaria tomorrow, but their post about me/mac kind of felt wolfy. I will always try to mark someone I feel has wolf equity to make my wincon much, much easier for town to want to do.

Choose someone else tomorrow please.

[Dark Magician]

I feel you are grossly misrepresenting the situation PoD.

I wanted people to pay more attention to Banana. I wanted people not to just give Banana a day 1 pass because supposedly someone on his hydra is new.

Kuti is the prime example of a person doing just that, and did not actually pay any attention to Banana until after I said something.

I made it apparent that if Banana wasn't a hydra, I'd be campaigning for everyone to vote for him.

Marshall outright told me to ask Frinckles. And I did. He was completely unaware of any hydras in this game.

Banana lied about frinckles signing off on Toad joining a hydra. Banana in fact outright admitted to not being in a hydra.

For being one of the top-posters, Banana was actively doing everything he could to not be helpful. And he was lying.

You cannot make me feel bad for being on that wagon. You cannot do it. Do not pass go and do not collect 20

Like
THIS IS OBVIOUS TOWN

[Stellaria]

Also question.

Why are people not suspecting Wisp again?

Alright, I'll bite. Case Wisp and I'll consider what you have to say

[Achro]

That does feel pretty unpaired if kuti is a wolf true and I thought stellaria was towny yesterday.

I was just listing an example. I am not tunneled or anything.

[Dark Magician]

Hes a troll, yes, kinda deserve to be lynched as well. But the fact remained is that you/ikarusdk/kutiplz still lynched an obvious PR.

Remind me, who were all the voters on that wagon?
It sure wasn’t just them yeah?

[ikarusdk]

That does feel pretty unpaired if kuti is a wolf true and I thought stellaria was towny yesterday.

I was just listing an example. I am not tunneled or anything.

I agree. I don't think kuti-stella is WvW