S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-ohno]

@FM-Purple

Your lie detector was either faulty or got messed up by the miller status that Purple likely has- because they are the Powerwolf. Place your vote on your confirmed red (blue?) check.

what this guy said

[FM-Mr Pain]

I'm kinda surprised no deaths happened n1

I thought the possibility of vigilantes and what-not from 24 separate roles would be enough to ensure the impossibility of preventing all deaths

I mean I don't typically design or feel like designing roles that can protect in ?krc and I suspect the inclination is the same for most other people

[FM-Chad Knight]

There are plenty of fish to fry in the ocean.

[FM-Tesseract]

Do you really think the world revolves around you?

Of course, not. But I know facts, and I follow facts.

What makes you think you're the only one who can roleblock?

But actually, if you think a little, you would have guessed the plan:
1. Lynch triad check (Inconspicuous Man)
2. If Inconspicuous Man flips triad, we are great and Purple is kinda confirmed.
3. if Inconspicuous Man flips town, you block Purple next night.


Another evidence that you write more than you read others.

You should know the obvious issue with the roleblock. If you do not understand it, then you need to read up on factional kills and how those are orchestrated.

[FM-Chad Knight]

I'm kinda surprised no deaths happened n1

I thought the possibility of vigilantes and what-not from 24 separate roles would be enough to ensure the impossibility of preventing all deaths

I mean I don't typically design or feel like designing roles that can protect in ?krc and I suspect the inclination is the same for most other people

Scum traditionally has no factional ability KPN in ?krc games. That is likely what happened here. If there is a single majority scum faction they either have a different factional ability and some kind of limited/exotic KPN (Arsonist) or no KPN at all and the KPN roles are 3p.

If I recall correctly in the last game scum had multiple ways to influence voting instead of a traditional KPN.

[FM-ohno]

well, its time to go to bed for me

vote the triad, i would hate to waste a night doing it myself

good night.

[FM-Mr Pain]

Scum traditionally has no factional ability KPN in ?krc games. That is likely what happened here. If there is a single majority scum faction they either have a different factional ability and some kind of limited/exotic KPN (Arsonist) or no KPN at all and the KPN roles are 3p.

If I recall correctly in the last game scum had multiple ways to influence voting instead of a traditional KPN.

wow

that's actually quite interesting

though the lack of factional KP does sound like a reasonable possibility

[FM-Mr Pain]

FM-Purple (4 [L-7]):
FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones, FM-Tesseract (Mayor)
FM-Inconspicuous Man (6 [L-5]):
FM-CBI Agent, FM-Chad Knight, FM-ohno, FM-Earless Artiste, FM-Demonic TP, FM-Mr Pain
FM-Kitty Cat Dance (1 [L-10]):
FM-Comrade PickleRadish
FM-Tesseract (5 [L-6]):
FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Purple, FM-Forsaken Bones, FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Blue Beard
FM-Blue Beard (1 [L-10]):
FM-Father and Sun
FM-Forsaken Bones (1 [L-10]):
FM-Myopia

I don't know if I will ever get to unwrap this vote-count since I missed ~1k posts but maybe someone else will.

[FM-Chad Knight]

wow

that's actually quite interesting

though the lack of factional KP does sound like a reasonable possibility

We also are in the possible world of a multiball game. In a game with 25 players and high power levels I think it's extremely likely.

[FM-Tesseract]

what this guy said

Oh sure, your scum buddy who tried to out-powerwolf me must have had some interfering factor. Amazing sauce. Chad are you actually scum with ohno and Purple? I was not expecting this, but how can you justify that someone messed with Purple's supposed lie detector? How is this TvT? The guy tripled-down on me. It failed. Are you trying to salvage the situation or what?

[FM-ohno]

Oh sure, your scum buddy who tried to out-powerwolf me must have had some interfering factor. Amazing sauce. Chad are you actually scum with ohno and Purple? I was not expecting this, but how can you justify that someone messed with Purple's supposed lie detector? How is this TvT? The guy tripled-down on me. It failed. Are you trying to salvage the situation or what?

tesseract.

you have no material to read me. 0. nada. i memed arround up until my post about the t/t. so please, swallow your ego, and see the blatant v death tunnel in front of you, and VOTE THE GODAMN CONFIRMED SCUM

[FM-Chad Knight]

Oh sure, your scum buddy who tried to out-powerwolf me must have had some interfering factor. Amazing sauce. Chad are you actually scum with ohno and Purple? I was not expecting this, but how can you justify that someone messed with Purple's supposed lie detector? How is this TvT? The guy tripled-down on me. It failed. Are you trying to salvage the situation or what?

On the contrary, I think the fact that he's death tunneling on you is towny. Bad, but towny.

[FM-Tesseract]

We also are in the possible world of a multiball game. In a game with 25 players and high power levels I think it's extremely likely.

Why are you de-escalating the situation? I want a thunderdome between me and Purple. How do you think this is a TvT? Makes no sense. Lynch me or Purple. I know Purple lied about lie detector, he said he knew it could not have been affected by my Miller. The guy made numerous posts enticing me to post a 2-word sentence which would have rekt me.

[FM-ohno]

Why are you de-escalating the situation? I want a thunderdome between me and Purple. How do you think this is a TvT? Makes no sense. Lynch me or Purple. I know Purple lied about lie detector, he said he knew it could not have been affected by my Miller. The guy made numerous posts enticing me to post a 2-word sentence which would have rekt me.

conf bias moment.

fuck it, im not going to bother. self destruct if you want to, im going to bed.

if you guys dont kill inco i WILL

[FM-Tesseract]

On the contrary, I think the fact that he's death tunneling on you is towny. Bad, but towny.

Uhh a town-read voting me. Look, I will try to use calm language. Look at Purple and the numerous attempts he made to get me to violate my post code. I gave MORE than just I'm town. This guy had a supposed triad check on inconspicuous? And then chose to focus on me instead and got a WRONG lie detector result. Why? Why not just focus on Incons. You are all looking scummy to me. Give me a universe in which Purple is town.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Why are you de-escalating the situation? I want a thunderdome between me and Purple. How do you think this is a TvT? Makes no sense. Lynch me or Purple. I know Purple lied about lie detector, he said he knew it could not have been affected by my Miller. The guy made numerous posts enticing me to post a 2-word sentence which would have rekt me.

The fact that you aren't considering a world where his lie detector triggered your miller status tells me you're either lying about your miller status or you're absolutely tilted and not thinking straight.

I'm choosing to believe it's the latter. Purple believes it's the former. I don't understand the disconnect here. This is very clearly mechanically explained. Why are you not accepting it?

[FM-Tesseract]

Does anyone care that I RBed ohno who still hasn't claimed crap? Oh apparently KRC. And per Chad no factional? Well maybe I got the mafioso, who knows. I Rbed ohno, ohno has done nothing. Tell me Chad, what equity for town does ohno provide?

[FM-Chad Knight]

Uhh a town-read voting me. Look, I will try to use calm language. Look at Purple and the numerous attempts he made to get me to violate my post code. I gave MORE than just I'm town. This guy had a supposed triad check on inconspicuous? And then chose to focus on me instead and got a WRONG lie detector result. Why? Why not just focus on Incons. You are all looking scummy to me. Give me a universe in which Purple is town.

Are you asking me why Purple chose to
1. Continue scumhunting in thread during the day
2. Use his day abilities in an effective manner
3. Push the player that would reveal more information out of his two scum checks

I don't understand what the disconnect is here. If you are scum you are a much higher priority target than the bottom poster with a red check who isn't engaging with the thread- someone who is likely going to be shot at some point tonight. You have to admit that.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Uhh a town-read voting me. Look, I will try to use calm language. Look at Purple and the numerous attempts he made to get me to violate my post code. I gave MORE than just I'm town. This guy had a supposed triad check on inconspicuous? And then chose to focus on me instead and got a WRONG lie detector result. Why? Why not just focus on Incons. You are all looking scummy to me. Give me a universe in which Purple is town.

I don't think he is but it's depressingly possible

[FM-ohno]

Does anyone care that I RBed ohno who still hasn't claimed crap? Oh apparently KRC. And per Chad no factional? Well maybe I got the mafioso, who knows. I Rbed ohno, ohno has done nothing. Tell me Chad, what equity for town does ohno provide?

"oh i roleblocked someone and no kills in the night with 25 presumably ultra strong roles, they MUST be the scum!"

im not claiming based on this.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Does anyone care that I RBed ohno who still hasn't claimed crap? Oh apparently KRC. And per Chad no factional? Well maybe I got the mafioso, who knows. I Rbed ohno, ohno has done nothing. Tell me Chad, what equity for town does ohno provide?

You are frustrated. Take a break. I don't feel I'm going to make progress here.

If I were scum with purple my vote would still be on you. Why are you scumreading two players who are actively trying to stop your lynch when you're top wagon? I do not understand this either.

[FM-ohno]

You are frustrated. Take a break. I don't feel I'm going to make progress here.

If I were scum with purple my vote would still be on you. Why are you scumreading two players who are actively trying to stop your lynch when you're top wagon? I do not understand this either.

what this guy said

i really should sleep now

[FM-Blue Beard]

Why are you voting a town PR role btw? I would like to hear more from your point of view and why you feel this is the optimal lynch today. Please elaborate. Who do you think are Tess's scummates and what do you think of Purple's play? I need answers to all of those questions, not just some.

If purp lied he is dead guaranteed.

I vote red checks.

[FM-ohno]

If purp lied he is dead guaranteed.

I vote red checks.

they are t/t, vote the other red check aka inco man

[FM-Chad Knight]

If purp lied he is dead guaranteed.

I vote red checks.

I would like you to answer those questions.

[FM-Tesseract]

The fact that you aren't considering a world where his lie detector triggered your miller status tells me you're either lying about your miller status or you're absolutely tilted and not thinking straight.

I'm choosing to believe it's the latter. Purple believes it's the former. I don't understand the disconnect here. This is very clearly mechanically explained. Why are you not accepting it?

It is not just Purple believing it. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...552#post960552

It is also him pressuring me non-stop as well and basically double- triple-downing on me. I KNOW that scum want me gone because I pose a threat. Why are you defending Purple? Why do you think Purple is town? Just because maybe he F'ed up doesn't mean that he F'ed up. He could have been lying. The only saving grace is his "thank you" for when I posted my repeated I am town. But I feel like you guys are trying to get me off my 100% trail, this is suspect.

[FM-ohno]

It is not just Purple believing it. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...552#post960552

It is also him pressuring me non-stop as well and basically double- triple-downing on me. I KNOW that scum want me gone because I pose a threat. Why are you defending Purple? Why do you think Purple is town? Just because maybe he F'ed up doesn't mean that he F'ed up. He could have been lying. The only saving grace is his "thank you" for when I posted my repeated I am town. But I feel like you guys are trying to get me off my 100% trail, this is suspect.

put himseld into purples shoes. They scum read you. they belive they have a 100% fool proof role as long as you post "i am town" wich you refused to do due to your post restriction. Hell, you have trouble beliving ME because of the roleblock (wich is bullshit btw), are you really so tilted you cant see how they woukd see your claims as convinient?

[FM-ohno]

put himseld into purples shoes. They scum read you. they belive they have a 100% fool proof role as long as you post "i am town" wich you refused to do due to your post restriction. Hell, you have trouble beliving ME because of the roleblock (wich is bullshit btw), are you really so tilted you cant see how they woukd see your claims as convinient?

EBWOP: Yourslef

[FM-Tesseract]

I would like you to answer those questions.

If you are scum then none of this matters and you keep voting me. There is more that makes myself useful to town that I have not revealed and will not reveal. I am GOING TO FIGHT because I know just how valuable my role is to town.

[FM-Chad Knight]

This seems extremely obvious to me.

Inco is another red check from Purple who provides no value to town to keep alive. He has zero contributive posts, and there is resistance to his wagon. This is a very clear scum candidate.

By lynching Inco we can deduce whether or not Purple is full of shit by cross referencing his flip with what Purple claimed his alignment was- Triad.

From there we can decide whether or not to eliminate Tesseract tomorrow with the additional information we've received by removing a player that probably should be policy'd regardless.

This is a win/win/win. Is this unclear to anyone?

[FM-ohno]

If you are scum then none of this matters and you keep voting me. There is more that makes myself useful to town that I have not revealed and will not reveal. I am GOING TO FIGHT because I know just how valuable my role is to town.

CHAD IS LITERALLY NOT VOTING YOU. NO ONE IS DOUBTING YOUR VALUE. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU SEE YOU ARE FIGHTING TOWN BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SWALLOW YOUR EGO.

Im done for today

[FM-Chad Knight]

If you are scum then none of this matters and you keep voting me. There is more that makes myself useful to town that I have not revealed and will not reveal. I am GOING TO FIGHT because I know just how valuable my role is to town.

FM-Tesseract (5 [L-6]):
FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Purple, FM-Forsaken Bones, FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Blue Beard

I am actively not voting you.

[FM-Mr Bones]

did you guys already hash over the probability that one of you was manipulated?

[FM-ohno]

This seems extremely obvious to me.

Inco is another red check from Purple who provides no value to town to keep alive. He has zero contributive posts, and there is resistance to his wagon. This is a very clear scum candidate.

By lynching Inco we can deduce whether or not Purple is full of shit by cross referencing his flip with what Purple claimed his alignment was- Triad.

From there we can decide whether or not to eliminate Tesseract tomorrow with the additional information we've received by removing a player that probably should be policy'd regardless.

This is a win/win/win. Is this unclear to anyone?

this guy saying the same thing i am but he is more friendly

[FM-Tesseract]

This seems extremely obvious to me.

Inco is another red check from Purple who provides no value to town to keep alive. He has zero contributive posts, and there is resistance to his wagon. This is a very clear scum candidate.

By lynching Inco we can deduce whether or not Purple is full of shit by cross referencing his flip with what Purple claimed his alignment was- Triad.

From there we can decide whether or not to eliminate Tesseract tomorrow with the additional information we've received by removing a player that probably should be policy'd regardless.

This is a win/win/win. Is this unclear to anyone?

Inco neutral 3P solo with a town mate in Comrade. How is this a win/win/win? I want my 2 town votes in Inco and Comrade, unless you think Comrade is not town. Purple's claim MEANS NOTHING and will not be resolved. I already said I could have claimed Day 1 that Inco is probably (not 100%) not town. This is not a "RED" check. It is a "not town" check. And since you cannot get over it, I cannot trust you.

[FM-Chad Knight]

@FM-Tesseract

You are actively not reading the day thread. I am done interacting with you. Either continue throwing a temper tantrum and get mislynched or wisen up and take your head out of the tunnel.

[FM-Mr Bones]

nevermind im just here for moral support

go town! fractions are great

[FM-Mr Pain]

This seems extremely obvious to me.

Inco is another red check from Purple who provides no value to town to keep alive. He has zero contributive posts, and there is resistance to his wagon. This is a very clear scum candidate.

By lynching Inco we can deduce whether or not Purple is full of shit by cross referencing his flip with what Purple claimed his alignment was- Triad.

From there we can decide whether or not to eliminate Tesseract tomorrow with the additional information we've received by removing a player that probably should be policy'd regardless.

This is a win/win/win. Is this unclear to anyone?

its not unclear to me

thanks for the clarification

[FM-Chad Knight]

Inco neutral 3P solo with a town mate in Comrade. How is this a win/win/win? I want my 2 town votes in Inco and Comrade, unless you think Comrade is not town. Purple's claim MEANS NOTHING and will not be resolved. I already said I could have claimed Day 1 that Inco is probably (not 100%) not town. This is not a "RED" check. It is a "not town" check. And since you cannot get over it, I cannot trust you.

He literally said his check was specifically Triad.

[FM-ohno]

Inco neutral 3P solo with a town mate in Comrade. How is this a win/win/win? I want my 2 town votes in Inco and Comrade, unless you think Comrade is not town. Purple's claim MEANS NOTHING and will not be resolved. I already said I could have claimed Day 1 that Inco is probably (not 100%) not town. This is not a "RED" check. It is a "not town" check. And since you cannot get over it, I cannot trust you.

IT IS QUITE LITERALLY A TRIAD CHECK THAT SELF RESOLVES THE PURPLE SLOT.

[FM-Chad Knight]

This is the 2nd time you have said something factually incorrect in the last 30 minutes. Please stop throwing a hissy fit.

[FM-Tesseract]

I have a theory. And yeah you can trash me for it. Purple disappeared when I put up my rightful defense. Then Chad comes in and kinda on my side sorta (TvT with Purple). Chad bussing Purple. I AM NOT VOTING INCOS OR MR BONES, THEY ARE MOST LIKELY 3P, and i have no reason to believe them to have malicious intends until proven otherwise. I stick to Purple and ohno, and Chad will be in my eyes for trying to pocket me. You realized that I was not going down easily and now you wanna befriend me.

[FM-Mr Bones]

maybe he would if you didn't goad him into doing so lul

[FM-Mr Pain]

nevermind im just here for moral support

go town! fractions are great

shame I can't support this beyond quoting it

idk how you'll ever get 5 mil zorkmid

[FM-Chad Knight]

I have a theory. And yeah you can trash me for it. Purple disappeared when I put up my rightful defense. Then Chad comes in and kinda on my side sorta (TvT with Purple). Chad bussing Purple. I AM NOT VOTING INCOS OR MR BONES, THEY ARE MOST LIKELY 3P, and i have no reason to believe them to have malicious intends until proven otherwise. I stick to Purple and ohno, and Chad will be in my eyes for trying to pocket me. You realized that I was not going down easily and now you wanna befriend me.

You're completely worthless. That saddens me. But you are town.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Fractions are great.

[FM-ohno]

I have a theory. And yeah you can trash me for it. Purple disappeared when I put up my rightful defense. Then Chad comes in and kinda on my side sorta (TvT with Purple). Chad bussing Purple. I AM NOT VOTING INCOS OR MR BONES, THEY ARE MOST LIKELY 3P, and i have no reason to believe them to have malicious intends until proven otherwise. I stick to Purple and ohno, and Chad will be in my eyes for trying to pocket me. You realized that I was not going down easily and now you wanna befriend me.

Tilted + confirmed biased + egocentric, what a fucking fun combination. So you sincerely belive 2 of the scum come in defense of a 3rd ALL BECAUSE OF YOU?

fuck it, just get the results yourself when i night kill inco

[FM-ohno]

You're completely worthless. That saddens me. But you are town.

this

[FM-Tesseract]

IT IS QUITE LITERALLY A TRIAD CHECK THAT SELF RESOLVES THE PURPLE SLOT.

Okay, let's vote Purple slot, whom I know to have a fake lie detector on me after they tried on numerous occasions to get me to make a 1-sentence post to get me rekt. I am down. Lets get Purple and if I am wrong, you can lynch me or Inconspicuous next. I will take that deal.

[FM-ohno]

bye for real now its 1:00 AM