S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Mr Bones]

oh come on we are playing forum mafia

giving saying you have more of a real life in while participating in one of the dorkiest passtimes available on the internet is silly

[FM-Mr Bones]

idk how i typed 'giving' there but im on mobile so whatever

[FM-Mr Bones]

now, can we talk about the elephant in the room

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

So I want to point out again that Eyes revealed their card in their first post. I know this may be WIFOM, but do ya'll really believe a solo 3P would reveal it like that at start of D1? Can they be part of a multi-player evil faction? Maybe, but it seems like a weird role to have that basically benefits from their own teammates voting them up (to ensure more than 1 alignment amongst voters on Eyes). I guess it can happen, makes for a convenient Bus from a teammate and gives them the ability to kill during the day. But then we would likely know (or at least suspect) Eyes to be the day-time shooter, he can only shoot players that were on his wagon, and we can question his choices of shot (in case it was to avoid a teammate who voted them). If he is town, then it may prove helpful for us to learn how many factions voted him up, he is in a way an investigator of the people voting him.

Or he lied about the role and it's all BS, I guess. I don't want to think this to be the case.

There are too many possibilities in this kind of setup to avoid chopping someone based on a roleclaim, IMO.

[FM-Tesseract]

Ah. The formatting on my device is strange. You are correct. I was looking at my post count compared to SOMETHING’s.

Whoops. I hope that will be the only mistake regarding mechanics I make this game.
This is referred to as foreshadowing.

I was about to red-flag you for trying to catch up to me ;) But then I checked. Anyway, I believe you.

Speaking of which, where has SOMETHING disappeared to? I asked him to moderate his post counts, not to stop posting altogether. Hmmmm.

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

now, can we talk about the elephant in the room

How great fractions are? Or the other one?

[FM-Mr Bones]

There are too many possibilities in this kind of setup to avoid chopping someone based on a roleclaim, IMO.

what is your avatar by the way

did you take an art class where you had to draw a ox skull with charcoal? i did.

[FM-Demonic TP]

oh come on we are playing forum mafia

More like an MMORPG where we farm resources, earn gold and buy gear.

dorkiest passtimes available on the internet

Someone please show TikTok to our friend from the crypt.

[FM-Mr Bones]

How great fractions are? Or the other one?

you have to directly quote me, but sure ill switch it up for you

frog fractions are great huh

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

what is your avatar by the way

did you take an art class where you had to draw a ox skull with charcoal? i did.

A poorly done rendition of a cattle skull in a cartoony style.
Tan background to give it more of a desert-type feel.

I had to take one art class a long time ago, and I was horrible at it. I'm fairly sure I was passed out of pity.

[FM-Tesseract]

There are too many possibilities in this kind of setup to avoid chopping someone based on a roleclaim, IMO.

If I had a strong D1 scumread on him D1, then sure. But I don't, not at all. If his role is what he claimed it to be, it seems rather powerful for town to have Eyes in later game (not so much early game, since it requires 33% of living players to vote and not lynch him). I am afraid his role reveal and non-stellar play makes him for a convenient mischop opportunity for scum today, when they know he may be a bigger threat later on.

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

you have to directly quote me, but sure ill switch it up for you

frog fractions are great huh

Frog fractions are indeed great.
That game reminds me of Number Munchers, though I doubt anyone here's played it.

[Lumi]

?KRC M-FM Edition
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[FM-Mr Bones]

Frog fractions are indeed great.
That game reminds me of Number Munchers, though I doubt anyone here's played it.

havent but it reminded my of scribblenauts

learning games are a dying breed huh. well maybe mafia is a learning game in a way. dorkiest pasttime on the internet teaches you how to be a sociopath

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

If I had a strong D1 scumread on him D1, then sure. But I don't, not at all. If his role is what he claimed it to be, it seems rather powerful for town to have Eyes in later game (not so much early game, since it requires 33% of living players to vote and not lynch him). I am afraid his role reveal and non-stellar play makes him for a convenient mischop opportunity for scum today, when they know he may be a bigger threat later on.

So if you think Eyes is town, wouldn't that be enough to oppose their elimination?
Or are you townreading and subsequently against eliminating Eyes just because of their role claim?

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

havent but it reminded my of scribblenauts

learning games are a dying breed huh. well maybe mafia is a learning game in a way. dorkiest pasttime on the internet teaches you how to be a sociopath

They really are, unfortunately.
Funny how an increase in technology has come with a shift away from learning games. At least mafia remains mostly alive.

[FM-Tesseract]

@FM-Mr Bones I have a question for you. When You said "fix your silly list and put me higher than you are!" to Forsaken Bones, how do you explain the fact that Forsaken's list did not list himself in the first place?

[FM-Tesseract]

I am surprised no one has voted FM-ohno. People are afraid to chop low-activity players, I suppose. We will need to put some pressure on this slot in coming days. May as well start now, so here we go.

-vote FM-ohno

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

reminder to self that earless artiste has a work of art as well. if i vote you based off of having a work of art, don't take it personally, i would get insta-roleblocked otherwise.

[FM-Mr Bones]

@FM-Mr Bones I have a question for you. When You said "fix your silly list and put me higher than you are!" to Forsaken Bones, how do you explain the fact that Forsaken's list did not list himself in the first place?

thats a good question

if we are to assume he placed himself invisibly at the top as his highest town read because if he is town he must know he is town then it is equally as plausible that he did in fact place me higher than himself invisibly because he knows i am town and i was not mentioned in the list

[FM-Father and Sun]

reminder to self that earless artiste has a work of art as well. if i vote you based off of having a work of art, don't take it personally, i would get insta-roleblocked otherwise.

I do too.

I want more than £1k for it. Do you have anything else to offer me? Or can you say what you get?

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

and so does father-and-sun. both of them havent spoken much the past couple hours but neither have I so I shouldn't be talking shit

[FM-Mr Bones]

oh i was in his list

alright forsaken fix it

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

I do too.

I want more than £1k for it. Do you have anything else to offer me? Or can you say what you get?

I can offer not voting on you so that I don't get any drawbacks whatsoever.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Current vote count

FM-Is that a leaf (1 [L-98]):
FM-Bizarro Pepsi

FM-Eyes (3 [L-96]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun

FM-Mr Bones (1 [L-98]):
FM-Purple

FM-ohno (1 [L-98]):
FM-Tesseract

FM-Mr Pain (1 [L-98]):
FM-Blue Beard

FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

FM-Purple (3 [L-96]):
FM-Myopia, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones

FM-Chad Knight (2 [L-97]):
FM-Eyes, FM-Arcade

[FM-Father and Sun]

I can offer not voting on you so that I don't get any drawbacks whatsoever.

Let's talk tomorrow

[FM-Mr Bones]

why are we killing myopia btw

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

There's 4 paintings out there, and the fourth painting's current beholder is still unknown. If Myopia or eyes happens to have the final one (1910) then good news for me.

Now I would be tempted to vote father or earless for the sake of not getting roleblocked for not voting on a painting beholder, but the vote looks really close btwn eyes and myopia and I might end up being the tiebreaker. Please make up your mind within the hour.

[FM-Father and Sun]

Current vote count

FM-Is that a leaf (1 [L-98]):
FM-Bizarro Pepsi

FM-Eyes (3 [L-96]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun

FM-Mr Bones (1 [L-98]):
FM-Purple

FM-ohno (1 [L-98]):
FM-Tesseract

FM-Mr Pain (1 [L-98]):
FM-Blue Beard

FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

FM-Purple (3 [L-96]):
FM-Myopia, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones

FM-Chad Knight (2 [L-97]):
FM-Eyes, FM-Arcade

Tesseract going on oh no and trying to get that wagon started now for relatively w/e reasons is suss and should be revisited post flips

[FM-Father and Sun]

I'm going bed gl gl

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

if I have to vote on someone who doesnt have a painting (which lets be real myopia most likely doesnt have the 1910), then I will be roleblocked and therefore most likely unable to protect myself.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

note the train on Purple btw. Might be something to revisit soon.

[FM-Tesseract]

oh i was in his list

alright forsaken fix it

OK this answer makes more sense. You thought you were not on his list altogether. Explains why you asked him to "fix it." See, if i was Purple and genuinely felt you made a TMI slip, I would be asking the questions like what I just asked you (instead of just pushing agenda and the initial read without fully understanding the context).

-vote FM-Purple

Not a fan of the slot, a bit aggressive for my liking and even threatened to shoot me at one point with his dart. Although I hope this is not town, I feel easier with a potential mis-chop on this slot (as opposed to, say, Eyes) knowing we stop a madman with darts on the loose.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

now if i havent brought the painting from purple i would have felt safe voting him, but now i know that voting purple is a guaranteed roleblock for me.

[FM-Tesseract]

Tesseract going on oh no and trying to get that wagon started now for relatively w/e reasons is suss and should be revisited post flips

Whatever I want eyes (not FM-Eyes) on ohno because we can't let scum hide in the shadows. I will need more from ohno in coming days, maybe put an invest on that. You are welcome to revisit and/or visit me. I make a mean four-dimensional chicken pot pie (without bones).

Do you think ohno has significant town equity at this time?

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

On a read through Myopia's ISO, aside from the weird Triad thing (which I don't necessarily think is AI), and the wolfy outburst, their posts seem mostly reasonable.
Actually not sure we should chop this? I'd like second opinions.

Going to work through Eyes' ISO now.

-vote FM-Eyes

If I change my mind I'll unvote but my vote stays here for now.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

im just gonna say this, for my own sake, if the rest of the town doesnt consolidate behind purple, myopia, or eyes, i would be sacrificing my ability to do my ability tonight to follow the town. and considering I had to out my own Lover to bail him out, scum will be gunning for him. I would most likely die in vain unable to help town.

So for the sake of the town, consolidate behind someone.

[FM-Mr Bones]

okay the insistent role breadcrumbing would get a bullet from me tonight just sayin

fractions are great

[FM-Tesseract]

On a read through Myopia's ISO, aside from the weird Triad thing (which I don't necessarily think is AI), and the wolfy outburst, their posts seem mostly reasonable.
Actually not sure we should chop this? I'd like second opinions.

Going to work through Eyes' ISO now.

-vote FM-Eyes

If I change my mind I'll unvote but my vote stays here for now.

I don't feel strongly about Eyes, I would rather we lynch Purple or Myopia today. Eyes is clearly mistaken about his deep idea on Chad's post "town and town" (paraphrasing). Typos and brainfarts happen, and even though Eyes could be right some of the time, it is not a strong lead against Chad. Does Eyes deserve to die for making a bad play? Not really. Is there anything else scummy about Eyes that I have not picked up on?

[FM-Mafia Bro]

So I want to point out again that Eyes revealed their card in their first post. I know this may be WIFOM, but do ya'll really believe a solo 3P would reveal it like that at start of D1? Can they be part of a multi-player evil faction? Maybe, but it seems like a weird role to have that basically benefits from their own teammates voting them up (to ensure more than 1 alignment amongst voters on Eyes). I guess it can happen, makes for a convenient Bus from a teammate and gives them the ability to kill during the day. But then we would likely know (or at least suspect) Eyes to be the day-time shooter, he can only shoot players that were on his wagon, and we can question his choices of shot (in case it was to avoid a teammate who voted them). If he is town, then it may prove helpful for us to learn how many factions voted him up, he is in a way an investigator of the people voting him.

Or he lied about the role and it's all BS, I guess. I don't want to think this to be the case.

I don't see why this is impossible and also don't see why you'd believe it's real lol

[FM-Mafia Bro]

rofl

My man

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

okay the insistent role breadcrumbing would get a bullet from me tonight just sayin

fractions are great

purple already saw through my breadcrumbing around pages 3 and 4

now the crumbs are for a different reason

[FM-Tesseract]

I am content with either Purple or Myopia, I am not prepared to let go of Eyes as of this moment. My attorneys will be watching very closely. @FM-Chad Knight do you believe Myopia is the best lynch today? I do not have a strong feeling about which of them (could be both, could be neither, could be one of the two) is just playing weird vs actually being scum. Myopia is very defensive, I can't tell though if that's a frustrated townie or a scum who got caught (as some have alleged). But Purple's tunnel on Mr Bones seems unwarranted and he did not follow through to investigate further (like I did, I did so with Bones to see if there was any merit there, and it doesn't seem like it). I am leaning towards Purple at this time.

@FM-Its SOMETHING where art thou?!

[FM-Tesseract]

I don't see why this is impossible and also don't see why you'd believe it's real lol

Okay, tell me what you think is possible and more importantly, what do you think is most probably? It's an easy way out to just say "why this is impossible" (which part? I listed more than one possibility). Do you have a reason to believe it (the role) is not real? He even took the time to hide his 3rd ability rather than make something up and fake it. I don't think he is faking his role.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

FM-Is that a leaf (1 [L-98]):
FM-Bizarro Pepsi

FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones

FM-Mr Bones (1 [L-98]):
FM-Purple

FM-Purple (4 [L-95]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones

FM-Mr Pain (1 [L-98]):
FM-Blue Beard

FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

FM-Chad Knight (2 [L-97]):
FM-Eyes, FM-Arcade

[FM-Tesseract]

My attorneys recommend that we document the status as of this time. We will watch for last-moment manipulations and we will also use this documented evidence in further legal prosecutorial proceedings!

FM-Is that a leaf (1 [L-98]):
FM-Bizarro Pepsi
FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones
FM-Mr Bones (1 [L-98]):
FM-Purple
FM-Purple (4 [L-95]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones
FM-Mr Pain (1 [L-98]):
FM-Blue Beard
FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent
FM-Chad Knight (2 [L-97]):
FM-Eyes, FM-Arcade

[FM-Mr Bones]

okay fellas im getting flashbacks to pages on MU filled with people pinging the bot for vote counts.

[FM-Tesseract]

im just gonna say this, for my own sake, if the rest of the town doesnt consolidate behind purple, myopia, or eyes, i would be sacrificing my ability to do my ability tonight to follow the town. and considering I had to out my own Lover to bail him out, scum will be gunning for him. I would most likely die in vain unable to help town.

So for the sake of the town, consolidate behind someone.

Assuming we stay in this 3-way 4-vote stalemate, whom do you plan on voting? How do you know which of the 3 are being voted by town vs alt-wagon(s) set up by scum? Without saying too much, I recommend for you to think of some things you could do within the next hour to generate more information.

[FM-Chad Knight]

I am content with either Purple or Myopia, I am not prepared to let go of Eyes as of this moment. My attorneys will be watching very closely. @FM-Chad Knight do you believe Myopia is the best lynch today? I do not have a strong feeling about which of them (could be both, could be neither, could be one of the two) is just playing weird vs actually being scum. Myopia is very defensive, I can't tell though if that's a frustrated townie or a scum who got caught (as some have alleged). But Purple's tunnel on Mr Bones seems unwarranted and he did not follow through to investigate further (like I did, I did so with Bones to see if there was any merit there, and it doesn't seem like it). I am leaning towards Purple at this time.

@FM-Its SOMETHING where art thou?!

I haven’t ISOd Purple and I don’t think I will have that time today. I remember liking his posts enough to warrant me wanting to pass him today- although I do not remember why I believed that or what I passed him for.

[FM-Chad Knight]

I would be willing to consider chopping a low post count player, but Otis is telling me that oh no is not the correct option.