S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Myopia is probably town lol

Rofl if you agree lol if you don't

[FM-Mr Bones]

thats a trap if you type either of those things you will be marked for deaf and unable to hear how great fractions are

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Your mafia bros told that?

All my mafia mates and my town throw down bros and my independent insightful guys tell me im a charismatic bro, bro

[FM-CBI Agent]

-unvote

Comrade claiming to be lover buddies with inconspicuous makes me not want to lynch the latter, as I want to see more from comrade.

I think I'm okay with an eyes lynch or myopic lynch, I won't be around for end of day so I'm going to do a quick iso and decide between the two of them

[FM-Chad Knight]

I also note that Eyes uses the word "village" more often than "town". I think this indicates that the player belongs to a different community. And in our community, alas, unable to see beyond its meta, this is always perceived as a scum-indicative.

if you dig deeper, you can see that Eyes either attacks others for petty reasons, or defends himself. No offtopics, no empty talk. Eyes, like me, is clearly incapable of capturing everything that happens in the game, but I can't say that them aren't trying.

Yes, Eyes' behavior is a bit scummy from my POV too, however, as you can see, I have something to say in their defense.

I do not recall an instance of “village” being considered a scummy terminology except in fringe cases with newer players. That feels like a weak attempt to discredit what I consider to be the actual push against them, which is for their low quality scumreads, deflection attempt, and general intent to pressure low contribution players into sheeping them blindly. Do you have an example of someone being scumread on a game for saying “village” rather than the colloquial “town”?

I am not accusing Eyes of being scum for not having read the full game. There is a lot of stuff to sift through here. I can barely sift through it myself, and that’s only with the help of Otis, who has taken to reading quite well. Activity and reading by itself is NAI. But there is plenty of actual substance to this push.

[FM-Chad Knight]

-unvote

Comrade claiming to be lover buddies with inconspicuous makes me not want to lynch the latter, as I want to see more from comrade.

I think I'm okay with an eyes lynch or myopic lynch, I won't be around for end of day so I'm going to do a quick iso and decide between the two of them

It’s interesting because I actually would like to remove both of them.

[FM-Father and Sun]

I also note that Eyes uses the word "village" more often than "town". I think this indicates that the player belongs to a different community. And in our community, alas, unable to see beyond its meta, this is always perceived as a scum-indicative.

if you dig deeper, you can see that Eyes either attacks others for petty reasons, or defends himself. No offtopics, no empty talk. Eyes, like me, is clearly incapable of capturing everything that happens in the game, but I can't say that them aren't trying.

Yes, Eyes' behavior is a bit scummy from my POV too, however, as you can see, I have something to say in their defense.

I'm not reading them wolf for that reasons

[FM-Father and Sun]

Reading someone wolfy because they say "village" is so strange.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Purple is mafia because of their "I kill visitors to me" claim early in the game, it's functionally a scum claim

Lmao if you agree lol if you don't*


*but youre wrong

[FM-CBI Agent]

It’s interesting because I actually would like to remove both of them.

Why? An argument I can see for lynching the lover duo is because lover tends to be a neutrally aligned role, and getting rid of more players on d1 so we can focus our PoE isn't a bad move, unless both of them are town or town-aligned.
On the other hand we already got rid of one scum and (likely) another, mislynching here would probably be deemed "acceptable-losses".
Comrad's been a decently active slot, having active slots is almost always good as opposed to not.
Thinking out loud here.

[FM-Father and Sun]

Purple is mafia because of their "I kill visitors to me" claim early in the game, it's functionally a scum claim

Lmao if you agree lol if you don't*


*but youre wrong

I've seen this from villagers in actual games

[FM-Mafia Bro]

For the record someone claiming lovers basically unprompted on d1 is usually scum so I'm happy killing that slot too


Roflcopter if you agree lol if you're wrong

[FM-Mafia Bro]

I've seen this from villagers in actual games

That may be true but you're seeing it from a mafia in this game

[FM-Mr Bones]

I also note that Eyes uses the word "village" more often than "town". I think this indicates that the player belongs to a different community. And in our community, alas, unable to see beyond its meta, this is always perceived as a scum-indicative.

if you dig deeper, you can see that Eyes either attacks others for petty reasons, or defends himself. No offtopics, no empty talk. Eyes, like me, is clearly incapable of capturing everything that happens in the game, but I can't say that them aren't trying.

Yes, Eyes' behavior is a bit scummy from my POV too, however, as you can see, I have something to say in their defense.

i like the syntaxual observation but disagree with your conclusion

you are giving yourself little standard to judge a slot if you are town and too much wiggle room I'd eyes is scum

a town player should have no problem letting their thoughts flow freely and if your portrayal of their actions is correct, the explicit defensiveness and pillow pushing should be enough to constitute a vote in a 23(?) person game.

fruits are great and come in many shapes and sizes

[FM-Mr Bones]

Reading someone wolfy because they say "village" is so strange.

to clarify, im not insisting the quoted

[FM-Chad Knight]

Purple is mafia because of their "I kill visitors to me" claim early in the game, it's functionally a scum claim

Lmao if you agree lol if you don't*


*but youre wrong

I can’t believe I had a townread on you at one point in time.

[FM-Mr Bones]

that said looks like i need to do isoing before eod

i still like the purple vote tho

the ride never ends

[FM-Mafia Bro]

I can’t believe I had a townread on you at one point in time.

Yeah I'm as surprised as you that you got one right

[FM-Mafia Bro]

BOOM, ROASTED LMAO

[FM-Eyes]

I also note that Eyes uses the word "village" more often than "town". I think this indicates that the player belongs to a different community. And in our community, alas, unable to see beyond its meta, this is always perceived as a scum-indicative.

if you dig deeper, you can see that Eyes either attacks others for petty reasons, or defends himself. No offtopics, no empty talk. Eyes, like me, is clearly incapable of capturing everything that happens in the game, but I can't say that them aren't trying.

Yes, Eyes' behavior is a bit scummy from my POV too, however, as you can see, I have something to say in their defense.

So you think it's a meta difference?

Yesterday I was just reading and found that Shroop and thought it would be funny to push. Which it was.

I haven't said much but you're right in saying I work practically only in micro reads and don't look at the full picture until later game - especially in games like these with a big playerlist.

[FM-Demonic TP]

chad isn't responding to my post

About half of my questions in the game remained unanswered

[FM-Mr Bones]

actually i dont want to iso

lets talk about some the elephant in the room

[FM-CBI Agent]

I think I like eyes more than myopia.

-vote FM-Myopia

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Roast so good everyone had to take 5 to pick their jaws off the floor

[FM-Eyes]

Demon can be town as well

[FM-Chad Knight]

Anyway. Tesseract has claimed they will die if they are surpassed in post count. As of this post I am 10 posts behind surpassing them, which surprises me. As Tesseract is a townread of mine, I would like to keep them alive. As such I am going to duck out in hopes that Tesseract will return, but in preparation for them to not. This leaves me 9 posts to change votes with as we reach the final 2 hours before EoD. Ideally they will return. If they do not, I will be here in limited capacity.

Also, at the risk of activating a hidden mechanic… yes, fractions ARE cool. Alas, I like decimals more. Sorry, not sorry.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

About half of my questions in the game remained unanswered

Have you tried tagging people when you ask

[FM-Eyes]

For now

Purely for commenting on my use of micro reads which doesn't make sense since I don't recall saying anything. But yeah.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

For now

Purely for commenting on my use of micro reads which doesn't make sense since I don't recall saying anything. But yeah.

If you aren't locking in micro reads are you even trying, bro

Lmao if you agree lol if you're wrong

[FM-Tesseract]

What do you mean "lover-type alignment"? Do you know something about any non-town alignments in this game?

Was away for a few hours. No, I do not know anything about non-town alignments other than what I can analyze from the events unfolding before us. I believe, however, that SB16 role holder is not town:
a) they have not come forward and claimed
b) Dark Unicorn is infected by a parasite (likely coming from SB16)
c) The role description is evil (released a toxin into town's water supply)
d) Missing information about what else they do, meaning their faction/alignment has extra text containing more details that we are not aware of because those were not disclose in the ROLE flip (they are not part of the ROLE, they are part of faction/alignment).
e) The Lover comment i made was one possibility. Cult is another (spreading infections). Executioner is one that to me makes the most sense, because SB16 role was stated to NOT know who their target player is, only that they would know that player's role, alignment, private chat info. Exec kinda makes sense there, with the goal of locating the unknown target (which Dark Unicorn has inadvertently revealed). Exec mission could be to see their target die or it could be of the type "each night guess a player who is infected, if you guess right, they die and you win".

What I meant by lover-type alignment is that SB16 role holder may be in love with a person but not know whom they are in love with, so their mission may be to identify who is their infected target and try to survive (and try to avoid the kill on their partnered target). Or try to kill them (Exec). Setup speculation really, but I am sure one of these several scenarios is the likely situation in front of us.

Also now that I see Comrade has claimed to be in love with Inconspicuous, it seems we do have a Lover in Inconspicuous (could be solo neut, could be part of a faction, who knows).

[FM-Chad Knight]

Oh good, they’re back. Time to resume.

[FM-Mr Bones]

For now

Purely for commenting on my use of micro reads which doesn't make sense since I don't recall saying anything. But yeah.

what the hell is a micro read

[FM-Mafia Bro]

what the hell is a micro read

The name is the description, bro

[FM-Demonic TP]

Do you have an example of someone being scumread on a game for saying “village” rather than the colloquial “town”?

Yes. In another game in the same community.
But I agree with part of your reasoning.

I haven't said much but you're right in saying I work practically only in micro reads and don't look at the full picture until later game - especially in games like these with a big playerlist.

Can you post your readlist? It is not necessary to include all the players in it, but there are certainly some conclusions already.

[FM-Mr Bones]

The name is the description, bro

ive locked in your content and constructed a nano read that you are town

fruit is wonderful

[FM-Eyes]

i like the syntaxual observation but disagree with your conclusion

you are giving yourself little standard to judge a slot if you are town and too much wiggle room I'd eyes is scum

a town player should have no problem letting their thoughts flow freely and if your portrayal of their actions is correct, the explicit defensiveness and pillow pushing should be enough to constitute a vote in a 23(?) person game.

fruits are great and come in many shapes and sizes

Is this an implication that I'm scum for not talking aimlessly to the void, like you? It's wolfy of me that I don't want to clog up the already long thread (due to the high number of players) with useless posts that people will scumread me for posting?

Would you like to hear about my workday? That my dog ate my food off the table while being the size of a chihuahua-how did she get up there? That I have a massive headache that hasn't gone away? That that cloud I'm driving under looks like Robert de Niro?

If you do, I can oblige. I really can. Otherwise I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do which is say things when I want to how I want to about what I want to which /should/ be how you should want those "free flowing thoughts" in the first place, No?

[FM-Chad Knight]

Was away for a few hours. No, I do not know anything about non-town alignments other than what I can analyze from the events unfolding before us. I believe, however, that SB16 role holder is not town:
a) they have not come forward and claimed
b) Dark Unicorn is infected by a parasite (likely coming from SB16)
c) The role description is evil (released a toxin into town's water supply)
d) Missing information about what else they do, meaning their faction/alignment has extra text containing more details that we are not aware of because those were not disclose in the ROLE flip (they are not part of the ROLE, they are part of faction/alignment).
e) The Lover comment i made was one possibility. Cult is another (spreading infections). Executioner is one that to me makes the most sense, because SB16 role was stated to NOT know who their target player is, only that they would know that player's role, alignment, private chat info. Exec kinda makes sense there, with the goal of locating the unknown target (which Dark Unicorn has inadvertently revealed). Exec mission could be to see their target die or it could be of the type "each night guess a player who is infected, if you guess right, they die and you win".

What I meant by lover-type alignment is that SB16 role holder may be in love with a person but not know whom they are in love with, so their mission may be to identify who is their infected target and try to survive (and try to avoid the kill on their partnered target). Or try to kill them (Exec). Setup speculation really, but I am sure one of these several scenarios is the likely situation in front of us.

Also now that I see Comrade has claimed to be in love with Inconspicuous, it seems we do have a Lover in Inconspicuous (could be solo neut, could be part of a faction, who knows).

I can agree that the virus role is probably scum. But I do NOT agree that the lover role is strictly factional/3p. It could absolutely be role mechanical.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Yes. In another game in the same community.
But I agree with part of your reasoning.

Can you post your readlist? It is not necessary to include all the players in it, but there are certainly some conclusions already.

I was hoping to receive a specific name or link. I can recall a few mislynches due to poor vernacular but not the use of village.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

ive locked in your content and constructed a nano read that you are town

fruit is wonderful

Hell yeah bro can I get a lmao

[FM-Demonic TP]

Was away for a few hours. No, I do not know anything about non-town alignments other than what I can analyze from the events unfolding before us. I believe, however, that SB16 role holder is not town:
a) they have not come forward and claimed
b) Dark Unicorn is infected by a parasite (likely coming from SB16)
c) The role description is evil (released a toxin into town's water supply)
d) Missing information about what else they do, meaning their faction/alignment has extra text containing more details that we are not aware of because those were not disclose in the ROLE flip (they are not part of the ROLE, they are part of faction/alignment).
e) The Lover comment i made was one possibility. Cult is another (spreading infections). Executioner is one that to me makes the most sense, because SB16 role was stated to NOT know who their target player is, only that they would know that player's role, alignment, private chat info. Exec kinda makes sense there, with the goal of locating the unknown target (which Dark Unicorn has inadvertently revealed). Exec mission could be to see their target die or it could be of the type "each night guess a player who is infected, if you guess right, they die and you win".

What I meant by lover-type alignment is that SB16 role holder may be in love with a person but not know whom they are in love with, so their mission may be to identify who is their infected target and try to survive (and try to avoid the kill on their partnered target). Or try to kill them (Exec). Setup speculation really, but I am sure one of these several scenarios is the likely situation in front of us.

Also now that I see Comrade has claimed to be in love with Inconspicuous, it seems we do have a Lover in Inconspicuous (could be solo neut, could be part of a faction, who knows).

Good catch. Very reasonable. I missed that.

[FM-Eyes]

It seems like demon is annoyed here while still potentially scumreading me, and I see this as Towny because I'm not his wolfpartner, and usually when i see wolves get upset about meta issues, it's because they have a teammate receiving flak or they are receiving flak. Otherwise they're probably just town.

[FM-Demonic TP]

I can agree that the virus role is probably scum. But I do NOT agree that the lover role is strictly factional/3p. It could absolutely be role mechanical.

True. It's in the spirit of the host to make two players from different factions love each other

[FM-Demonic TP]

I was hoping to receive a specific name or link.

I'm afraid that this may be regarded by the host as mainhunting, sorry.

[FM-Tesseract]

Oh good, they’re back. Time to resume.

I appreciate the concern I saw you expressed while I was gone. But either you overlooked a numbers or your math is wrong.. I have like 50 more posts than you. Nice pocketing attempt Now I want to comment about Eyes real quick.

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

-vote Unvote

Plan to read ISOs when I get the chance. Until then I'm unvoting.

[FM-Mr Bones]

Is this an implication that I'm scum for not talking aimlessly to the void, like you? It's wolfy of me that I don't want to clog up the already long thread (due to the high number of players) with useless posts that people will scumread me for posting?

Would you like to hear about my workday? That my dog ate my food off the table while being the size of a chihuahua-how did she get up there? That I have a massive headache that hasn't gone away? That that cloud I'm driving under looks like Robert de Niro?

If you do, I can oblige. I really can. Otherwise I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do which is say things when I want to how I want to about what I want to which /should/ be how you should want those "free flowing thoughts" in the first place, No?

let me be clear, if you are implying that i am talking into the void and that useless posts are cause for a scum read, then it's daunting to me that i have managed to get zero votes thus far in a decently populated game

that said i have a few questions

1. How did that dog get up there? i imagine your table is very short or your dog is quite athletic

2. have you considered taking asprin? i generally wouldn't recommend acetaminophen but im also a drinker and we gotta keep our livers healthy!

3. why are you looking at the sky while driving? come to think of it the atmospheric scattering of sunlight is probably what is giving you a headache

4. how are you playing mafia while driving?

5. fractions, we know they're great but how great?

anyway, once we get these details resolved i can put develop a nanoread on you

[FM-Demonic TP]

I have like 50 more posts than you.

So I have more real life than you. And?

[FM-Mr Bones]

Hell yeah bro can I get a lmao

rofl

[FM-Chad Knight]

I appreciate the concern I saw you expressed while I was gone. But either you overlooked a numbers or your math is wrong.. I have like 50 more posts than you. Nice pocketing attempt Now I want to comment about Eyes real quick.

Ah. The formatting on my device is strange. You are correct. I was looking at my post count compared to SOMETHING’s.

Whoops. I hope that will be the only mistake regarding mechanics I make this game.
This is referred to as foreshadowing.

[FM-Tesseract]

So I want to point out again that Eyes revealed their card in their first post. I know this may be WIFOM, but do ya'll really believe a solo 3P would reveal it like that at start of D1? Can they be part of a multi-player evil faction? Maybe, but it seems like a weird role to have that basically benefits from their own teammates voting them up (to ensure more than 1 alignment amongst voters on Eyes). I guess it can happen, makes for a convenient Bus from a teammate and gives them the ability to kill during the day. But then we would likely know (or at least suspect) Eyes to be the day-time shooter, he can only shoot players that were on his wagon, and we can question his choices of shot (in case it was to avoid a teammate who voted them). If he is town, then it may prove helpful for us to learn how many factions voted him up, he is in a way an investigator of the people voting him.

Or he lied about the role and it's all BS, I guess. I don't want to think this to be the case.