S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Mr Bones]

10/25

how do we simplify this fraction

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

[QUOTE=FM-Kitty Cat Dance;959138]I think people are inclined to scumread Pain because they disagree with their case. I don't think the case was actively scummy, though it's probably just wrong.

I don't think wolves ever think Its Something is a valid elimination to go for, seeing as they claimed a role too important to us to really eliminate without extreme certainty of them being a wolf. Moreover, It seems like a thing a villager who thought they caught a wolf would do.[/QUOTE @FM-Kitty Cat Dance
Do you think the idea in #199 holds any merit?
I'd like 1 person to finally comment on that.

[FM-Mr Bones]

nice fake vote btw

-vote FM-Comrade PickleRadish

time to simplify your life

[FM-CBI Agent]

I encourage the individuals who are voicing the opinion that Pain is a bad vote to please place your own votes. I ask you to vocalize your thoughts.

I'm thinking, it's hard with this many players to make judgements that I feel take in the whole picture, but I'll stand by thinking that Pain is a bad lynch, low hanging fruit.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Yeah yeah be carefull with me, as im gon a torn you apart.
You dont make misstakes FROM editing- you make misstakes from NO editing
I never disclosed the existence of mafia
HOWEVER
It is widely.known that
A. 25 players set up have to have multiball
B. ?krc has a history of featuring triads
C. SINCE IT LITERALLY SAYS THE WORD "TRIAD" IN THE HOST SIGN UP ITS SAFE TO ASSUME WE HAVE TRIAD/2ND SCUM.PARTY

Are you gonna scumpaint me next for saying multiball? Painting me as some kind of tmi?
And scumreading me for my FUCCING WRITING OF LISTEN
Just makes me SO FUCCING MAD
Like what next?
LOOK SOME RED TEXT
MAYBE IM EVIL RUSSIAN MAFIA NOW?!
OMG BOLD CAPS A CULT CLAIM
TRIAD HE SAID- TRIAD HE IS!!

your narrowinewss of your horizont is making me bleurgh, aswell as your stickying to some oppsie miestakes by lag considering avatars

I made a very soft point about a post being a potential flag for a lost wolf play and got a very strong reaction threaded with truckloads of emotion. My gut tells me this is a 'scum caught for the wrong reason' sort of reaction.

Saying its just the punctuation I took issue with is a straw man. I was pretty clear in my reasoning but the reaction to my reasoning felt like overcompensation. Im curious what others think about the situation.

Also- for what it is worth I drew my avatar from scratch. I do not know where this avatar swapping conversation came from but it has not happened to me. Its the designated names I found curious. Its like myself and Tesseract were named off etch others avatars. Maybe that means nothing but it was substantial enough I felt the need to bring it up.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

I don’t see how V reads early in the game are an issue.

narrowing down PoE a bad thing

[FM-Mr Bones]

There’s no agenda.
Reading through their posts there, Beard’s vote especially, I see two villagers at odds with each other.
It’s hard to put into words but I don’t think the thought processes from them are fake and the way they argue with each other about optimal towncore play doesn’t come from wolves.

That said, just because I read someone as V doesn’t mean they’re “off the list”. I don’t see how V reads early in the game are an issue.

bones unite for the greatness of fruit

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

I hate to go on a mechanic here, but from my examination of all avatars, the two that are swapped are mine (I drew a unicorn) and that of FM-Dark Unicorn (who drew 4D cube, tesseract). I suspect FM-Dark Unicorn of having anti-town role of Stealthbomber16, and I think Dark Unicorn is about to learn my role and everything else, if they don't already know. For this reason, I am obliged to

-vote FM-Dark Unicorn

Note: the name Purple does not quite add up (their avatar is just red color). Mr Pain also doesn't add up, their avatar just says Hi.

I don't see where you read that the player with the Stealthbomber16 role has the avatar of their "victim".
I also don't see why someone having that role would make them automatically be of any certain alignment.

I just don't understand this vote.

[FM-Mr Bones]

I don't see where you read that the player with the Stealthbomber16 role has the avatar of their "victim".
I also don't see why someone having that role would make them automatically be of any certain alignment.

I just don't understand this vote.

oh dear if this is true forsaken bones is evil! unlike the great pre-atlantis monolithic fractions.

[FM-CBI Agent]

?KRC M-FM Edition

FAQ Can we trust you? I will never knowingly lie to you unless made to do so by a role. Can rolecards contain hidden information or false information? It is possible.

worth bringing up

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Every vote on me will invert alignment feedback. I am assuming that means it will just screw with sheriffs and such.

Anyone up for the lynching of this anti-town power btw?

[FM-Mr Bones]

worth bringing up

why

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

[QUOTE=FM-Its SOMETHING;959296]

I think people are inclined to scumread Pain because they disagree with their case. I don't think the case was actively scummy, though it's probably just wrong.

I don't think wolves ever think Its Something is a valid elimination to go for, seeing as they claimed a role too important to us to really eliminate without extreme certainty of them being a wolf. Moreover, It seems like a thing a villager who thought they caught a wolf would do.[/QUOTE @FM-Kitty Cat Dance
Do you think the idea in #199 holds any merit?
I'd like 1 person to finally comment on that.

I think having many cleared town is bad for scum in general, if it helps any.

[FM-Mr Bones]

also did you guys get money last night? I wanna buy some bug porn

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

Anyone up for the lynching of this anti-town power btw?

No need. Mechanically, the guy is just town.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I also don't see why someone having that role would make them automatically be of any certain alignment.

This is a valid point. I can only imagine how much damage it could cause the town for my role to invert alignment checks every time I am voted. For me to be given that function as town makes me feel like roles mean absolutely nothing for alignment. That is a powerful anti-town utility imo.

The fact that it suggested hidden votes exist is a big problem though. I am not sure how many people would have created roles with such mechanics but we should be careful about putting people anywhere near lynch until the end of the day. If I was scum with some function to use hidden votes I would try to sneak a hammer in or swing trains with that ability. And honestly even if its a town player with that utility they could do all sorts of stupid things with it..

[FM-CBI Agent]

why

the stealthbomber16 role could have some sort of hidden interaction, we know dark unicorn claimed to be infected by a parasite, which likely is the result of the flipped submitted role. It's entirely possible the maggot is far more insidious than we believe at first glance

[FM-Mr Bones]

This is a valid point. I can only imagine how much damage it could cause the town for my role to invert alignment checks every time I am voted. For me to be given that function as town makes me feel like roles mean absolutely nothing for alignment. That is a powerful anti-town utility imo.

The fact that it suggested hidden votes exist is a big problem though. I am not sure how many people would have created roles with such mechanics but we should be careful about putting people anywhere near lynch until the end of the day. If I was scum with some function to use hidden votes I would try to sneak a hammer in or swing trains with that ability. And honestly even if its a town player with that utility they could do all sorts of stupid things with it..

this seems like a non issue this early

ending posts with two dots is inherently anti-town and spooky!

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Kaladascope's role card says that it infects a town specifically. If the point of the post is that Dark Unicorn is town for that, it's just objectively correct.

No it doesn't: "You have unleashed a telepathic brain maggot into the town's water supply and it has attached itself to another player."
Town's water supply + another player = every player imho.
At least in SC2 and ToS, I believe, all slots are within the same village or town.

[FM-CBI Agent]

No it doesn't: "You have unleashed a telepathic brain maggot into the town's water supply and it has attached itself to another player."
Town's water supply + another player = every player imho.
At least in SC2 and ToS, I believe, all slots are within the same village or town.

I think this is likely the correct interpretation

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

I do agree that eliminating the 3p is a safe way of approaching the day. Considering the counter wagon is an individual which I townread, I am inclined to go eradicate the one who would not further the goals of the town.

-vote FM-Arcade

I'm honestly fine with this.

[FM-CBI Agent]

-vote FM-Arcade

Placeholder vote until I find an actual scum read

[FM-ohno]

Considering it says "entity limit" I think its reasonable to think its related since crabs are an entity in Cortex Command

if it were any sort of other-worded death I wouldn't have attributed it to the crabs tbh

I'm not completely sold on it though as I don't think the entity limit is a meme-related thing in Cortex Command.

Maybe there's an inventory limit.

Or a person really did add specification that if a person bought a lot of crabs they would die.

i think entity limit is a minecraft reference

[FM-CBI Agent]

-vote FM-Arcade

Placeholder vote until I find an actual scum read

A scum read I'm confident in*

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Mr Pain's thought process behind their read on Its Something comes from Town more often then it does Mafia.

Comrade has been jumped on by a couple people that I think are scummy (speciifcally Blue Beard). I think that, due to the role softing and general posting style, he could be considered as LHF and thats something scum could see and jump on for a lazy scumread. I think the way he goes about his role is towny, though, as scum may be more hesitant to lock themselves into a claim that early.

Honestly. I think going after "LHF Chasers" is barely being 1 step above a "LHF Chaser" yourself.

Is there anything you scumread about BB apart from them going after LHF slots?

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

No need. Mechanically, the guy is just town.

Honestly. I think going after "LHF Chasers" is barely being 1 step above a "LHF Chaser" yourself.

Is there anything you scumread about BB apart from them going after LHF slots?

I think that your former statement is just wrong.

I don't have a reason to scumread beard other then that, I disagree with the push on Mr Pain but he's just one of the group of people doing that and it's not a strong enough lead. I'm actually more confident in my scumread on Eyes at this point, so I'm going to place my vote there.

-vote FM-Eyes

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Oh, look! another person who judges towniness based on how pro town the person is being.

Nice commentary. I almost feel as if I was there too!

That sass though

[FM-Mr Bones]

fruit is great! even the low-hanging kind!

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Honestly. I think going after "LHF Chasers" is barely being 1 step above a "LHF Chaser" yourself.

Is there anything you scumread about BB apart from them going after LHF slots?

IMO the larger question should be focused on the 'why' instead of the 'what.' Is going after LHF bad? Maybe. Could be town breaking RVS or could be scum pushing for a miss lynch.

Is going after the people going after LHF bad? Maybe. Could be town pushing against a miss lynch or could be scum justifying bad faith pushes.

Is going after the people going after the people who are going after LHF bad? ........ And down the rabbit hole we go until we consider the intentions.

[FM-Earless Artiste]

nice pocket attempt

rattle me bones

I think to pocket you I would actually have to try and associate myself with you. I just said what you said is how I feel 😂

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Ogh man, you aren't THAT deep into mafia arent you?
The triad is a secret movement, just like scum. However triads usually dont have any factional powers. After many multiball games with bigger triads, and bigger anti tiwn factions in general, i had the idea: why do we all claim town?
Why do scums hide behind town?
What if everybody would just fake claim scum, and the game would be to find the REAL scums?
Or the game would be the fake-fake claimers?
You now understand?
What makes us claim alltogether one stupid majority over another faction?
Triad is literally a bunch of survivors with xtra chat, just like town has the thread, triad has additional secret chat
They are like town masons
What makes us ethically moral superior to other factions, so we and imposters decide to impersoante town?

I think thats an interesting question

wha

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

@FM-Mr Bones
I am curious, What do you think of Myopia's reaction to pressure?

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

Myopia is a very strange slot.

[FM-Tesseract]

I made a very soft point about a post being a potential flag for a lost wolf play and got a very strong reaction threaded with truckloads of emotion. My gut tells me this is a 'scum caught for the wrong reason' sort of reaction.

Saying its just the punctuation I took issue with is a straw man. I was pretty clear in my reasoning but the reaction to my reasoning felt like overcompensation. Im curious what others think about the situation.

Regarding Myopia, I would not read too much into their reaction and getting defensive in a silly fashion there. It screams emotion and possibly intoxication hah They appear to be genuinely "MAD" but is it a strong indicator that they are scum? Maybe not yet.

[FM-Tesseract]

Also- for what it is worth I drew my avatar from scratch. I do not know where this avatar swapping conversation came from but it has not happened to me. Its the designated names I found curious. Its like myself and Tesseract were named off etch others avatars. Maybe that means nothing but it was substantial enough I felt the need to bring it up.

Our name swapping cannot be "nothing". There must be a mechanical reason for it. Here is an example thought, maybe you can share your thoughts as well.
Maybe there exists a role in this setup, which had a pre-N0 action to identify two players that will swap positions. Maybe the mechanic going forward is that actions targeting you target me instead. For this reason, I would actually suggest a Doc/Protector on Dark Unicorn. Even if this thought of mine is not the case, we may need a protector on Dark Unicorn due to the parasitic infection. So might be more than one good reason to protect Unicorn.

[FM-Mr Bones]

@FM-Mr Bones
I am curious, What do you think of Myopia's reaction to pressure?

looks lost in translation

[FM-Tesseract]

There is one other thought that I had. Given that this is KRC and the usual rules are out the window, how do we explain the absence of slot number 25? I hope it is as simple as a player dropping out from the signups, but it could turn out to be something more sinister than that. AMOGUS moment.

[FM-Tesseract]

@FM-Its SOMETHING
My attorneys and I hereby request that you please moderate your post count. Failure to do so will be interpreted as anti-townie, anti-me. Especially posts like "wha". Can you help me and town here and scale back your posting, please? Thank you, and do not reply to this (as that would be yet another post ).

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

example of a bad misread: Something's read on me (disregarding the TMI part) somehow proving 2 other people as town

This is fair, it doesn't prove them Town in a You!Mafia flip.
But it does prove them to be NOT your Mafia mates in that scenario.
Which was the point. You see PoE narrowing down on your team.

That's spilled milk under the bridge. How tf can a comment about such a quick impression get such reactions is beyond me.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Regarding Myopia, I would not read too much into their reaction and getting defensive in a silly fashion there. It screams emotion and possibly intoxication hah They appear to be genuinely "MAD" but is it a strong indicator that they are scum? Maybe not yet.

I am on the side of the fence that people use emotion to replace a lack of reasoning in conflicts. I am not confident they are scum but the way the reacted was certainly not what I would expect from a townie with the reasoning they voiced. If it was so absolutely absurd for me to view punctuation as flagging hidden messages why blow up about it? If it was me with that view I would be more likely to point out how stupid the argument was and laugh about it than get angry.

Maybe your are right about the sauce. The bit where they said something about ripping me apart felt like a power flex related more to ego than the game.. I am not comfortable with this slot though and its the most significant tell I have seen so far. But the game is early and we will have to wait and see what happens.

[FM-Tesseract]

10/25

how do we simplify this fraction

Where did you obtain the figure ten? Was this based on active players today or something like that? And as per my earlier post, you may need to change the denominator to twenty-four.

How much money you got?

[FM-Tesseract]

I am on the side of the fence that people use emotion to replace a lack of reasoning in conflicts. I am not confident they are scum but the way the reacted was certainly not what I would expect from a townie with the reasoning they voiced. If it was so absolutely absurd for me to view punctuation as flagging hidden messages why blow up about it? If it was me with that view I would be more likely to point out how stupid the argument was and laugh about it than get angry.

Maybe your are right about the sauce. The bit where they said something about ripping me apart felt like a power flex related more to ego than the game.. I am not comfortable with this slot though and its the most significant tell I have seen so far. But the game is early and we will have to wait and see what happens.

The reality is that we may never become comfortable with the slot, but it is my view that chopping the slot D1 for this reason is somewhat premature (but is viable, if no better candidates are identified, as can often be the case on D1). It may become possible for the slot to become confirmed mechanically later on. But the emotional nature of the slot is not likely to go away.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Our name swapping cannot be "nothing". There must be a mechanical reason for it. Here is an example thought, maybe you can share your thoughts as well.
Maybe there exists a role in this setup, which had a pre-N0 action to identify two players that will swap positions. Maybe the mechanic going forward is that actions targeting you target me instead. For this reason, I would actually suggest a Doc/Protector on Dark Unicorn. Even if this thought of mine is not the case, we may need a protector on Dark Unicorn due to the parasitic infection. So might be more than one good reason to protect Unicorn.

I am not with you there. It could simply be intentional misinformation for the purpose of making us question what it means.

Its possible that we are tied together in some way but I will say my role would not do anything of the sort. The parasitic infection is an issue but I have no reason to believe it has anything to do with our entangled names/avatars. The more I have been thinking about it the more I question the specific wording of that condition. A Parasite lives off its host to their determent. So far I know a very anti-town function exists in terms of votes to alignment checks but I can not help but wonder what else this parasite does. There may come a time that it becomes necessary to kill me to break whatever other functions it has if it affects the entire player base through me..

[FM-Mr Bones]

Where did you obtain the figure ten? Was this based on active players today or something like that? And as per my earlier post, you may need to change the denominator to twenty-four.

How much money you got?

yeah but 10/24 is too easy

i got 2/4000 money

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

The reality is that we may never become comfortable with the slot, but it is my view that chopping the slot D1 for this reason is somewhat premature (but is viable, if no better candidates are identified, as can often be the case on D1). It may become possible for the slot to become confirmed mechanically later on. But the emotional nature of the slot is not likely to go away.

Oh for sure. I am not pushing for their lynch early into D1.

I am not sure how inclined I am for mechanically sorting players. From the little understanding I have its a big problem. Even if a sheriff comes forward with a red check we then have to count the votes on me and question if a hidden vote happened to validate their red check. Its a real problem that makes me feel like we may just need to solve this game with little consideration to mechanical factors.

[FM-Tesseract]

I am not with you there. It could simply be intentional misinformation for the purpose of making us question what it means.

That would actually be hilarious, and I will then take off my hat and say "well played" to whoever did this.

Its possible that we are tied together in some way but I will say my role would not do anything of the sort. The parasitic infection is an issue but I have no reason to believe it has anything to do with our entangled names/avatars. The more I have been thinking about it the more I question the specific wording of that condition. A Parasite lives off its host to their determent. So far I know a very anti-town function exists in terms of votes to alignment checks but I can not help but wonder what else this parasite does. There may come a time that it becomes necessary to kill me to break whatever other functions it has if it affects the entire player base through me..

Have you not read the second Spoiler of p484?
I find it very likely (as I said earlier) that you were infected by the possessor of the Stealthbomber16 role. Also, the fact that they have not come forward essentially assures me that the holder of that role is some form of scum or neut.

What you described here (parasite living off of its host) fits perfectly with the description in that Spoiler.

[FM-Tesseract]

So far I know a very anti-town function exists in terms of votes to alignment checks but I can not help but wonder what else this parasite does.

I did not understand the part about votes to alignment checks. Can you please elaborate on this?
Also, I must say that I find it strange that you have not considered that maybe I am the parasite who infected you and that's why our names swapped. Why not? :P

[FM-Bizarro Pepsi]

Try #7.

[FM-Tesseract]

yeah but 10/24 is too easy

i got 2/4000 money

Do you need three thousand, nine hundred and ninety-eight more or something? Or was this a joke that I am unable to comprehend? What do those figures refer to, two and four thousand? Go on, tell me, please.

[FM-Tesseract]

Try #7.

Are you referring to Earless Artiste? And you wish to put them on trial? Or is this your attempt number seven in life? What is VT-equivalent? My attorneys indicate that you have been complacent and not particularly participative (you may argue the same about me, but do you have lawyers like mine??). As such, I will try #12 (and no, I am not ordering McDonalds).

-vote FM-Bizarro Pepsi