S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Mr Pain]

So from your point of view, SOMETHING is scum because of his specific terminology of “mafia”, as a substitution over, perhaps, the term “wolf”?

It is standard to refer to the scum team as “mafia” on this site.

both of those terms refer to a single faction

and the observation implied the assumption of exclusivity to Town vs Mafia



at this point I just wanna know what people think to see if I can learn why I am wrong (because general thread environment implies that)

or if I am absolutely insane in my reasoning

though im about to let go since the android's death, while it proves my points, disproves the TMI case

[FM-Myopia]

I doubt that hosts would assign such a role to town and pair them up with town, because it would allow such town~Stealthbomber16 role to quickly learn about the player they are partnered with and probably lead to a confirmed town-town. In my view, it is far more likely that it is some evil/neut-aligned role that gets dirt on the infected town member. And I am now feeling pretty strongly that Dark Unicorn is that town member, because he claimed to have been infected by a parasite (I had to look that up after my first post today, i still have a few pages of catching up to do). With that said, I take back my hypothesis about the avatar/name swapping being related to SB16 role, as it is far more likely that the maggot in water supply is what produced the infection by a parasite that Unicorn claimed to have.

We cant towncelar someone for being affected by a random action wtf

[FM-Mr Pain]

-vote FM-Blue Beard

for unhelpfulness

(Note: anyone thinking WHOOOAAAAA WHAT HAPPEN MR PAIN like the sarcastic jerks they may be then just look at the android death; if you understood anything I have said then you'll understand why)

[FM-Chad Knight]

both of those terms refer to a single faction

and the observation implied the assumption of exclusivity to Town vs Mafia

at this point I just wanna know what people think to see if I can learn why I am wrong (because general thread environment implies that)

or if I am absolutely insane in my reasoning

though im about to let go since the android's death, while it proves my points, disproves the TMI case

I don’t see such an implication in the text of this post. Perhaps you are chasing shadows.

And in any fashion, the scum faction would not know that there are no third party players in this game without extreme knowledge of the setup.

[FM-Chad Knight]

-vote FM-Blue Beard

for unhelpfulness

(Note: anyone thinking WHOOOAAAAA WHAT HAPPEN MR PAIN like the sarcastic jerks they may be then just look at the android death; if you understood anything I have said then you'll understand why)

Blue Beard has been nothing but helpful in discussion regarding you. You just don’t like what they say. This is poor vote placement.

[FM-Mr Bones]

this thread is moving so fast nobody will notice fractions are great

[FM-Chad Knight]

this thread is moving so fast nobody will notice fractions are great

What is your favorite fraction, skeleton?

[FM-Chad Knight]

Nobody appears to have noticed or/nor commented upon the fact that a mystery rancher is selling cows on the free intergalactic market.

[FM-Mr Pain]

Blue Beard has been nothing but helpful in discussion regarding you. You just don’t like what they say. This is poor vote placement.

no he hasn't been helpful

he didn't answer my main questions or concerns

just called my plays bad (which he self-admits) and placed double-standards so that he looks at me bad no matter what I do:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...218#post959218

[FM-Blue Beard]

-vote FM-Blue Beard

for unhelpfulness

(Note: anyone thinking WHOOOAAAAA WHAT HAPPEN MR PAIN like the sarcastic jerks they may be then just look at the android death; if you understood anything I have said then you'll understand why)

It has been explained numerous times.

There was never implied exclusive town v mafia and that would be odd for a KRC.

What was implied was that there is a town faction, and at least one non town faction, at the time being referred to as mafia. Shorthand referring to scum as mafia. Nobody ever implied that it was exclusively mafia, or exclusively one non town faction.

Shorthand referring to scum as mafia is not worth chasing d1 in KRC game.

[FM-Blue Beard]

Blue Beard has been nothing but helpful in discussion regarding you. You just don’t like what they say. This is poor vote placement.

Yeah, sure I can be abrasive but I feel like it has been explained at least 3 times now.

It's all fine. Pain's vote is nothing to worry about.

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

7what are you scumreaidng me for?
My avatar being too unfocused maybe? Or my name having the ecxactly same amount of voacls and consonants maybe?

I should have known signing in on this website willnkill me, but alrwady on d1?
I mean if you would be some kind of fullfiller who needs to see me dead- no problem! Go and buy yuourself a posin dart from ur 2k and shoot me. But sr others randomly aswell? R u jesetr?

Thought you bringing up triads was suspicious, that's pretty much the bulk of my scumread on you, and it's really not nearly as solid as my reads on Eyes or Blue Beard.

For the record, I brought up Arcade in my reads list because they're a slot that people were voting and I wanted to say my thoughts on the matter. They aren't null.

a more updated readlist would include Dark Unicorn in my townread, as I think they're mechanically confirmed by claiming the parasite.

[FM-Chad Knight]

no he hasn't been helpful

he didn't answer my main questions or concerns

just called my plays bad (which he self-admits) and placed double-standards so that he looks at me bad no matter what I do:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...218#post959218

Blue Beard has been saying the same things I have been saying. He has just been saying them worse. That is a fault of his. It is not alignment indicative. Just as I do not believe that your TMI “slip” is alignment indicative either.

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

Mr Pain is very obviously town in my eyes.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

[1895 painting]

How much you willing to sell it for?

Pickle is not scum or triad or cult or idk what can exist

yea, im town, xd

I want to buy your avatar. I think 2000 is a high price. Let's get down to a 1000?

If you have a "Work of Art" in your inventory we can talk.

True!

-vote FM-Purple

You got to be fucking shitting me with this opener, Demonic.

You're talking about Purple?

He's talking about me. Purple hasn't been discussing his mechanics as much as I was.

I'm sorry, my systems seem to have been hacked.
I have to shut down for maintenance.

Belarusian cows are the best cows in the world! Buy Belarusian cows!

Yet another post-limited role? What happened to Tesseract, the OG Post-limited role?

And it seems like my vote on Pain, which I noticed somehow didn't go through, will stay as is unless theres someone even more suspicious.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

-vote FM-Mr Pain

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

ok now that works

[FM-Mr Pain]

Blue Beard has been saying the same things I have been saying. He has just been saying them worse. That is a fault of his. It is not alignment indicative. Just as I do not believe that your TMI “slip” is alignment indicative either.

Well my overall impression is that they aren't saying the same things as you and even if they are

clearly you don't think its worthy of a vote while they do

[FM-Chad Knight]

-vote FM-Mr Pain

Why?

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

oh yeah cuz i accidentially left a space on my original vote xd

[FM-CBI Agent]

I have better idea. Leave your Khala and join Dark Templars.

As a member of the Conclave Bureau of Investigations I'll have to advise against that

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Why?

Pain has offered nothing but pedantic arguments thus far. I think Beard is coming out of genuine concern when he was pressuring me, and for as much as I'm tempted to lynch the confirmed neutral swastika-posting Arcade, we are probably better off trying to solve a more unknown, no-claim slot.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

My vote is always subject to change.

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

Pain has offered nothing but pedantic arguments thus far. I think Beard is coming out of genuine concern when he was pressuring me, and for as much as I'm tempted to lynch the confirmed neutral swastika-posting Arcade, we are probably better off trying to solve a more unknown, no-claim slot.

I think you're not wrong about Pain arguing mostly pedantic, but that doesn't make him scum.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

What is triad?

Features I wish for:
- post when I want even if others posted
- see how many new posts are
- easy way to reload

Triad are like Mafia, just different name. In SC2

Upon consideration there's something mildly off about eyes hostity to explaining their reads- it's like they're afraid to elaborate and discuss them

It's not Eye's defensive nature that I find odd.
It's their actions not matching their given reads. Eye's has made it clear how very scummy multiple people look to them. But where is their vote? Where are the pushes?
On top of that - I have the impression that Eye tends to scumread everything that narrows down PoE: Townread someone for not perfect reasons? Scummy. Don't want want a Town Core? Towny. Question why don't want Town Core? Scummy.

I recognize the hypocrisy of this post in not pushing and not voting.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Pain has offered nothing but pedantic arguments thus far. I think Beard is coming out of genuine concern when he was pressuring me, and for as much as I'm tempted to lynch the confirmed neutral swastika-posting Arcade, we are probably better off trying to solve a more unknown, no-claim slot.

Why are pedantic arguments considered scummy to you?

I feel like there’s plenty here to believe that Pain is just a mistaken town. If you want to solve a slot, why not pick a lower post count slot, or a player who is holding their cards close to their chest?

[FM-Mr Pain]

Well wait

Deliveries happen at phase change

so the android couldn't have died to an entity limit from crabs

unless the whole trade mechanic has a role that can day-kill based on the # of crabs or something like that

@FM-Chad Knight

[FM-CBI Agent]

God does not play dice. Neither do I. Especially if the dice are made of plutonium. Go away. You are not a scumhunter anyway, and while what you claim is mildly pro-town, as of right now, there is no way to make sure you aren't deathtrapping us with this.

NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

Well said friend

[FM-Chad Knight]

Well wait

Deliveries happen at phase change

so the android couldn't have died to an entity limit from crabs

unless the whole trade mechanic has a role that can day-kill based on the # of crabs or something like that

@FM-Chad Knight

Purchase a crab. They arrive instantly. I would know, I have purchased one. His name is Otis. Did you forget?

[FM-Mr Pain]

Purchase a crab. They arrive instantly. I would know, I have purchased one. His name is Otis. Did you forget?

O.o

Well then player purchases take awhile and not store items

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

En Taro Adun! My activity may be scarce at times, but never will I fall into the useless category, so Khalai it is, unless my activity and influence allows me to ascend to higher levels.



I somewhat agree with Kitty's statement that ohno is slightly towny for the worry about the gold (which I have 2000 of too, for the record), but I think what truly matters is Kitty's analysis itself. They have just the right amount of confidence in their read ("tentatively town") and are basically launching the game into a solvy environment. Therefore, Kitty is my first (and only) confident townread.

As for Something's analysis, NAI.

I wouldn't mind a quote of kitty's analysis you're referring to because I'm pretty sure that with regards to oh no opening post, kitty only said "I'm confident in my early reads".

As I said earlier, so far everything kitty's has done is extremely neutral to me. 200 posts to catch up though so that might change.

[FM-Mr Pain]

Because I purchased the player-sold crab earlier as I mentioned

[FM-Chad Knight]

O.o

Well then player purchases take awhile and not store items

Crabs specifically arrive instantly. They are the exception.

[FM-Mr Pain]

Comrade, what are you hoping to achieve by letting a vote sit on me for awhile?

Haven't others done that?

Or is there something specific you want from me?

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

I wouldn't mind a quote of kitty's analysis you're referring to because I'm pretty sure that with regards to oh no opening post, kitty only said "I'm confident in my early reads".

As I said earlier, so far everything kitty's has done is extremely neutral to me. 200 posts to catch up though so that might change.

Agree to disagree then. It's not something I'm super confident in, but I consider myself good with fast reads and like to get content out quickly, even if it isn't the most agreeable or won't convince others.

This is the post you're referring to, yeah?

[FM-Chad Knight]

If any of you disagree with me, you may test my theory by purchasing several thousand crabs.

[FM-Chad Knight]

If any of you disagree with me, you may test my theory by purchasing several thousand crabs.

I will laugh.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Blue Beard is a face value player, it seems. Comrade was spouting nonsense about "exposing town core early" being scummy, and he replied with this. While Comrade's post is just wrong, it is not inherently scummy (town can be wrong). I like Blue Beard being eager to place votes where his mind and mouth are, though.

I personally feel like BB's straight forwardness looks Towny. There's like no filter to them and their actions match their words instantly.

[FM-Earless Artiste]

this thread is moving so fast nobody will notice fractions are great

YO! this. This is absolutely correct and exactly how I feel.

[FM-CBI Agent]

I don't think Mr. Pain is a good lynch

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Town
Kitty (early read of ohno)
Father (solvy)
Blue beard (puts vote where mouth is + seems genuine face value player)

Beware
Arcade (NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT)

No thought's on top poster? Didn't feel like adding Pain, your current vote, to the list either?

[FM-CBI Agent]

No thought's on top poster? Didn't feel like adding Pain, your current vote, to the list either?

In my experience top posters are often remembered for substance and not quantity

[FM-Chad Knight]

No thought's on top poster? Didn't feel like adding Pain, your current vote, to the list either?

In fairness I find many of your posts to be rather empty. Tesseract is memorable because their posts were exceptionally low quality, and they claimed to get special powers for being top post count. I did not remember you being top post count until I looked at the post count a short time ago and saw you had 20 posts over them.

[FM-Earless Artiste]

I don't think Mr. Pain is a good lynch

Ditto this too

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

I'm also going to throw some suspicion on Eyes for now, but I'm more confident in Blue Beard's alignment. I think the way that Eyes reads Forsaken Bones here, by putting suspicion on him for putting townreads on things Eyes disagrees with rather then questioning why Forsaken made those reads and statements shows that they don't care about solving Forsaken's alignment, or can't do it genuinely rather.

Ok Ok Ok Ok Ok
FAir f***ing enough
This is similar to my own reaction that I will say that this post is more towny than not by kitty. Jeeeesh

[FM-Chad Knight]

I encourage the individuals who are voicing the opinion that Pain is a bad vote to please place your own votes. I ask you to vocalize your thoughts.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

In fairness I find many of your posts to be rather empty. Tesseract is memorable because their posts were exceptionally low quality, and they claimed to get special powers for being top post count. I did not remember you being top post count until I looked at the post count a short time ago and saw you had 20 posts over them.

Yeah gotta rock the boat to be noticed. Top poster, talk mostly game related posts, still get unnoticed. I don't even know how's that possible tbh. Like, ok, I do a lot of posts like this - which I get it is not memorable - but cmoon man don't I deserve some recognition?

[FM-Chad Knight]

Yeah gotta rock the boat to be noticed. Top poster, talk mostly game related posts, still get unnoticed. I don't even know how's that possible tbh. Like, ok, I do a lot of posts like this - which I get it is not memorable - but cmoon man don't I deserve some recognition?

I am using this game as an exercise to help me remember less memorable players.

[FM-Mr Bones]

YO! this. This is absolutely correct and exactly how I feel.

nice pocket attempt

rattle me bones

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

I personally feel like BB's straight forwardness looks Towny. There's like no filter to them and their actions match their words instantly.

I think this is a playstyle thing and not AI. I can say that I picked up on the same things, though.