S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

[Auckmid]

Pre-Game

Oh no! LittleBigPlanet is being terrorized by a group of villains! To counter this threat, a council of creator curators and other powerful beings has been called to assemble…

@Damus_Graves is The King(Mayor)
@Gerik is The Queen(Doctor)
@Marshmallow Marshall is Zola(Lookout)
@Stealthbomber16 is King Croc(Compulsive Veteran)
@Banshis is Meerkat Mum(Survivalist)
@TheDarkestLight is Frida(Vigilante)
@Mike is Don Lu(Grave Digger)
@rumox is Uncle Jalapeno(Jailor)
@creedkingsx is Mags the Mechanic(Escort)
@Yayap is Grandmaster Sensei(Networker)
@Slaol is The Great Magician(Bus Driver)
@blinkskater is The Goddess(Bodyguard)
@naz is The General(Sheriff)


However, there is talk that some members of the council might have already been kidnapped, with villains impersonating them…

Faction list

Mafioso
Mafioso
Mafioso
Mafioso

Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town


The council must wait for all of its members to arrive before it can start its first meeting…

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...3&font=cursive

If any council members cannot arrive by this date, please PM me, and we can delay the start time of the first meeting.

Day 1 will otherwise start two days from now. Two recent changes were made to the setup…
1. Since the balance seemed to lean a bit to pro-mafia, the godfather was removed. It is now 4 mafioso vs 9 town.
2. The gravedigger is NOT allowed to target a dead mayor for the double-vote ability. All other abilities are fair game.

The full setup can be read here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...009#post780009

Faction role PMs have not gone out at the time of this post but will shortly.

While Day 1 may not have commenced, the game has started, so no out of game discussion will be allowed past this point.

Quick Link(s)

Day 2: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...246#post781246
Day 3: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...590#post781590
Day 4: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...862#post781862
Day 5: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...152#post782152

[Auckmid]

Damus_Graves is the mayor with 2 votes.

Reminder: Damus_Graves is NOT confirmed town

[Auckmid]

Day 1

With everyone present, the first meeting can now commence...

Day 1 will last for up to 72 hours. All future days will be 48 hours long, and all nights will be 24 hours.

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

While the day can be ended early through lynching or a majority vote to skip, this is a strong opportunity for members of the town to decide who seems trustworthy and who seems suspicious. As such, I recommend not to waste it.


A few more rules/clarifications

-While not explicitly stated previously, there will NOT be last wills in this FM. If you have anything to say to the town, you should try to say it before you die.
-I am making the text in all my posts cyan to make them easier to find. I therefore ask the players to not make all the text in any of their posts all cyan.
-If you have any questions, please either PM me, mention me or ask the question using green font.

​Good luck. With 14 votes in play, 8 will be required to lynch.

8 votes to hammer.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

First

[Banshis]

Too tired to really post, just saying hi. Going to bed.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The Setup

We know roles. There are three killing roles (Compulsive Veteran, Vigilante, and Jailor), and two of them can actually kill without restriction. So there's a quite big chance the mafia has a killing role in addition to their FK. Which means we must be careful in our lynches (Vigilante loses kill ability if he hits a town, though).

Good thing is, we have 72h today! Let's not skip, and use them instead.

Vigilante, if you are town, please be mindful of your shots. Shoot only your HIGH scumreads.

Since the Doctor is revealed, it's a nice idea to have the Lookout on the Doctor or on the Mayor, and the Doctor on the Lookout or on the Mayor. Or have some WIFOM plays around this that I won't discuss :P

Council of BigLittlePlanet, the debate is open!

-vote naz

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Too tired to really post, just saying hi. Going to bed.

Yea, that's a thing... Given the strange hour the Council has decided to unite at, we will probably have people who will NOT be able to be there at EoD, or be too tired for it. It's 9:40 AM for me, and even if I'm nocturnal, I will probably go to bed soon.

Would be nice to know if people will be able to appear at EoD time, by the way

[creedkingsx]

The Setup

We know roles. There are three killing roles (Compulsive Veteran, Vigilante, and Jailor), and two of them can actually kill without restriction. So there's a quite big chance the mafia has a killing role in addition to their FK. Which means we must be careful in our lynches (Vigilante loses kill ability if he hits a town, though).

Good thing is, we have 72h today! Let's not skip, and use them instead.

Vigilante, if you are town, please be mindful of your shots. Shoot only your HIGH scumreads.

Since the Doctor is revealed, it's a nice idea to have the Lookout on the Doctor or on the Mayor, and the Doctor on the Lookout or on the Mayor. Or have some WIFOM plays around this that I won't discuss :P

Council of BigLittlePlanet, the debate is open!

-vote naz

Very different from prior game.

Also EoD? Is that End of Day? Sorry, the language has evolved quite a bit over the last few years

[creedkingsx]

While I'm at work, I want to add that I completely agree that mafia has an extra killing. Probably not the Vigilante because of the limitations on the role card. I expect that just because of how Pro Town the setup is.

[Slaol]

So im just getting up.

Based on the potential Jailor mechanic i 100% believe we want to pull off a lynch today. I have a list of prime targets and id like others to try to do the same

[Slaol]

Also fuck putting Doc on Mayor. Mayor offers no evidence and isnt even confirmed Town. I think we want a Doctor>Lookout>Bodyguard>Doctor combo. If it breaks we will get a lot of info from it

[Damus_Graves]

Also fuck putting Doc on Mayor. Mayor offers no evidence and isnt even confirmed Town. I think we want a Doctor>Lookout>Bodyguard>Doctor combo. If it breaks we will get a lot of info from it

This is 100% accurate. I offer very little to the actual progression of the game role wise. My major mechanic is supporting and/or coordinating a lynch. @Marshmallow Marshall is playing as if I am confirmed town as well.

[Slaol]

This is 100% accurate. I offer very little to the actual progression of the game role wise. My major mechanic is supporting and/or coordinating a lynch. @Marshmallow Marshall is playing as if I am confirmed town as well.

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

[Damus_Graves]

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

Im reading over MMs post at the moment. His post is fishy, he seems to be suggesting that he knows at least one role the mafia has. His post also looks like instructions and its his first post as well. Both fishy instances.
pressure time

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[Slaol]

Also my protective order should be Doctor heals Bodyguard guards Lookout watches Doctor. Since BG has a higher attacked chance

[Slaol]

Im reading over MMs post at the moment. His post is fishy, he seems to be suggesting that he knows at least one role the mafia has. His post also looks like instructions and its his first post as well. Both fishy instances.
pressure time

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

He voted the fucking sheriff lol

[Damus_Graves]

Im gonna be honest. I still have no idea who is playing this game.

[Slaol]

Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles

[Slaol]

Id like everyone opinion on this idea and this list of people

[Mike]

Don Lu here not to be mistaken for Don Wan name is Lu not Wan I was born in China Love the smell of Grave Dirt in the Morning. Nothing like it. So who's grave am i digging next?

[Slaol]

Don Lu here not to be mistaken for Don Wan name is Lu not Wan I was born in China Love the smell of Grave Dirt in the Morning. Nothing like it. So who's grave am i digging next?

Mike you make me laugh my dude.

[Mike]

With that said LOL, First both MM and Naz can't be Scum or this save is 80% maifa win 20% scum win. So MM putting Naz on vote with no Naz posts Is suspect ass all can be. He is acting pro town but putting out main person on the chopping block. and pulling both Bg and Doc off him. and I see people backing MM up so soon. Do we have all our scum posting first?

Is Shreiff is Town Scums number 1 target would be Sheriff. Remember that town.

[creedkingsx]

Sheriff is effectively the only confirmed town. I reiterate that the save is pro town and sheriff is actually worthless to mafia so giving them sheriff would be hella host scum.

[Mike]

Mike you make me laugh my dude.

TY

[Damus_Graves]

Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles

i 100% disagree on policy lynching in S-FMs. The potential for gain isn't enough to outweigh the potential for loss.
If I did my math right policy lynching alone gives us a 30% chance of successfully lynching mafia vs a 70% chance of lynching town.
If you narrow it down to just the lynch order you give us we lose 17% chance of success lynching.
The argument that these roles can be used against us isnt significant enough to persuade me to want to policy lynch.

[creedkingsx]

Irrelevant to the game, I like that I'm (Mag)s the Mechanic and @Slaol , the Great (Mag)ician made the stupid lover Executioner with (Mag) in the previous SFM.

[naz]

hi i'm at work and we're about to have our team meetings & its also our christmas party/ugly sweater party and my coworker bailed on me last night (we were supposed to craft them together but she went out and bought one instead) and now i'm the only one not dressed up and i'm depressed about it

i haven't read any of y'alls posts yet

-vote rumox

[Damus_Graves]

With that said LOL, First both MM and Naz can't be Scum or this save is 80% maifa win 20% scum win. So MM putting Naz on vote with no Naz posts Is suspect ass all can be. He is acting pro town but putting out main person on the chopping block. and pulling both Bg and Doc off him. and I see people backing MM up so soon. Do we have all our scum posting first?

Is Shreiff is Town Scums number 1 target would be Sheriff. Remember that town.

We are all demonizing Marshall for voting Naz. No one is supporting him lol.

[naz]

omg actually i can't believe i'm not the goddess
Screw You!

-vote blinkskater

[naz]

We are all demonizing Marshall for voting Naz. No one is supporting him lol.

oh i like you

i will sheep this man until i read the posts

[creedkingsx]

hi i'm at work and we're about to have our team meetings & its also our christmas party/ugly sweater party and my coworker bailed on me last night

Fuck work events.

[Mike]

PLEASE READ THEY ARE IN ORDER ANYONE ELSE SEE IT?

Also fuck putting Doc on Mayor. Mayor offers no evidence and isnt even confirmed Town. I think we want a Doctor>Lookout>Bodyguard>Doctor combo. If it breaks we will get a lot of info from it

This is 100% accurate. I offer very little to the actual progression of the game role wise. My major mechanic is supporting and/or coordinating a lynch. @Marshmallow Marshall is playing as if I am confirmed town as well.

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

Im reading over MMs post at the moment. His post is fishy, he seems to be suggesting that he knows at least one role the mafia has. His post also looks like instructions and its his first post as well. Both fishy instances.
pressure time

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Also my protective order should be Doctor heals Bodyguard guards Lookout watches Doctor. Since BG has a higher attacked chance

Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles

[naz]

So im just getting up.

Based on the potential Jailor mechanic i 100% believe we want to pull off a lynch today. I have a list of prime targets and id like others to try to do the same

uhhh i agree on lynching d1 but how do you already have a list of prime targets? lol

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

i'm starting to get confused because y'all are both purple names and y'all are buddying too ??? just noting an alignment, not that its true or anything.

Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles

ok actually that answers my question from earlier.
this is probably a good idea and i'll roll with this depending on how the day pans out.

Sheriff is effectively the only confirmed town. I reiterate that the save is pro town and sheriff is actually worthless to mafia so giving them sheriff would be hella host scum.

very good point and i am town. assuming mafia knows who each other are, i am dead tonight.

i got to this post i gtg to my meeting now!!!

[Slaol]

i 100% disagree on policy lynching in S-FMs. The potential for gain isn't enough to outweigh the potential for loss.
If I did my math right policy lynching alone gives us a 30% chance of successfully lynching mafia vs a 70% chance of lynching town.
If you narrow it down to just the lynch order you give us we lose 17% chance of success lynching.
The argument that these roles can be used against us isnt significant enough to persuade me to want to policy lynch.

Opinion noted and considered.

Everyone else?

[Mike]

I disagree with it. AS i read you as Posable scum. if that is true you may be lyching town to get the MAfia win. Putting your self in the lineup to make you look pro town. I always as scum say Lych me I will die for town. So I don't buy it.

[Mike]

I disagree with it. AS i read you as Posable scum. if that is true you may be lyching town to get the MAfia win. Putting your self in the lineup to make you look pro town. I always as scum say Lych me I will die for town. So I don't buy it.

#Sloal

[creedkingsx]

Lynching day 1 is literally always a sketchy game to play. I submit the uniqueness of the setup but it's still a rising business to run. Like play it out, even if Rumox ends up just slaughtering someone, we lynch him next day. It'd be a 7-3 ratio and mafia lose there secondary killing power.

If we do lynch and hit a town, its 6-4 after mafia pulls off their night actions.

[creedkingsx]

rising business to run.

risky*

[Slaol]

I disagree with it. AS i read you as Posable scum. if that is true you may be lyching town to get the MAfia win. Putting your self in the lineup to make you look pro town. I always as scum say Lych me I will die for town. So I don't buy it.

Thats because you gambit. I math. Mafia bus driver is one of the most broken roles in the history of forun mafia.

[Gerik]

Your queen has arrived.

Sheriff is effectively the only confirmed town. I reiterate that the save is pro town and sheriff is actually worthless to mafia so giving them sheriff would be hella host scum.

The alignments are randomized. Sheriff is just as likely to be scum as anyone else. I disagree that it's worthless to mafia to have a sheriff. Sure they don't actually learn anything from his night action, but by being on their team he passively makes them all immune to alignment detection. That's pretty powerful by itself.

[Mike]

To make sure I understand this set up

@TheDarkestLight is Frida(Vigilante)

@rumox is Uncle Jalapeno(Jailor)

Are only night kills? or do Mafia get a night Kill still even if they dont have those roles listed above?

[creedkingsx]

Your queen has arrived.



The alignments are randomized. Sheriff is just as likely to be scum as anyone else. I disagree that it's worthless to mafia to have a sheriff. Sure they don't actually learn anything from his night action, but by being on their team he passively makes them all immune to alignment detection. That's pretty powerful by itself.

I'd argue basically any other role is more powerful early game for mafia haha

Late game though, I do see your point.

[Slaol]

Your queen has arrived.



The alignments are randomized. Sheriff is just as likely to be scum as anyone else. I disagree that it's worthless to mafia to have a sheriff. Sure they don't actually learn anything from his night action, but by being on their team he passively makes them all immune to alignment detection. That's pretty powerful by itself.

Sup fam. Thoughts on why we should policy lynch me?

[creedkingsx]

To make sure I understand this set up

@TheDarkestLight is Frida(Vigilante)

@rumox is Uncle Jalapeno(Jailor)

Are only night kills? or do Mafia get a night Kill still even if they dont have those roles listed above?

The setup did say they still have a night kill. Also veteran is another killing role, albeit with less control than the others.

[creedkingsx]

Also it was mentioned in the setup thread that host balance would be required for a setup like this. @Gerik

[Mike]

Your queen has arrived.



The alignments are randomized. Sheriff is just as likely to be scum as anyone else. I disagree that it's worthless to mafia to have a sheriff. Sure they don't actually learn anything from his night action, but by being on their team he passively makes them all immune to alignment detection. That's pretty powerful by itself.

I did not think of this, Good point.

1 Town saying dont trust anyone Pro town statement

2 Scum Saying dont trust anyone Pro scum statement because we know he is Town.

But equally town/scum points. Because it is a very true fact. and Good point to bring up if you are on either team.

[Mike]

Also it was mentioned in the setup thread that host balance would be required for a setup like this. @Gerik

I am reading Creed very pro town.

Anyone else views?

[Slaol]

I am reading Creed very pro town.

Anyone else views?

Im reading Mike very anti town

Anyone else views?

[Slaol]

Just a funny thought. Mayor is fucking trash. Its actually harder to confirm him than a role like escort or doctor or whatever. Hilarious

[Gerik]

Sup fam. Thoughts on why we should policy lynch me?

Depends. Are you holding a 3?

On a more serious note, eliminating the feedback-less bus driver early lets us actually plan out our night actions. Sort of. The problem is that regardless of what chain of night actions we come up with, there will likely be mafia in the mix, and if you are town then you throw a wrench into mafia night actions.

I did not think of this, Good point.

1 Town saying dont trust anyone Pro town statement

2 Scum Saying dont trust anyone Pro scum statement because we know he is Town.

But equally town/scum points. Because it is a very true fact. and Good point to bring up if you are on either team.

This post contributes literally nothing.