S-FM 204: Insanity

[ThePaladin]

If a sheriff is lunaticed as an insane sheriff which would make their received role sheriff, do they get the proper feedback of sheriff since their recieved role and true role technically match?

[yzb25]

Yo, why are you trying to make people vote him?

Especially when your reasoning to convince Taekyon in this post is he is being towny, but anyone can be towny.

I think that's a pretty fair summary of what I said, yes

[ThePaladin]

I think that's a pretty fair summary of what I said, yes

Answer why you need/want people to vote him though.

[Iced_Monopoly]

We are halfway through the day with votes all over the place. I believe that a ML may actually be a cultist/occultist leader lunatic. I am claiming Investigator, last night I checked taekyon. "Your need to prove yourself has led you to the cell of Taekyon, who you believe to be an Mason Leader" I did not recieve any feedback relating to being witched. With yzb claiming ML, and the BD claiming not having made a move, this gives us 2 potential MLs, which I do not believe would be selected in this setup. If my role is real, then assuming i rolled the 25% real role, yzb is a lunatic or lying. If i rolled the 25% role card roll, then taekyon is a lunatic. Of course the lunatics could be any role, but i believe if anything, its going to be a cult type role, that is entirely a gut feeling though.

Hopefully this will consolidate the votes.

-vote yzb25

[yzb25]

Answer why you need/want people to vote him though.

Nah.

[yzb25]

We are halfway through the day with votes all over the place. I believe that a ML may actually be a cultist/occultist leader lunatic. I am claiming Investigator, last night I checked taekyon. "Your need to prove yourself has led you to the cell of Taekyon, who you believe to be an Mason Leader" I did not recieve any feedback relating to being witched. With yzb claiming ML, and the BD claiming not having made a move, this gives us 2 potential MLs, which I do not believe would be selected in this setup. If my role is real, then assuming i rolled the 25% real role, yzb is a lunatic or lying. If i rolled the 25% role card roll, then taekyon is a lunatic. Of course the lunatics could be any role, but i believe if anything, its going to be a cult type role, that is entirely a gut feeling though.

Hopefully this will consolidate the votes.

-vote yzb25

That's a lovely coincidence, holy shit lol.

If you actually do have the role investigator, and that's actually what it told you, I'm going to commend Deathworlds/Calix on HD content in the post game lol.

[ThePaladin]

Nah.

Hi are you an

Executioner

You have 1 auto vest
Your target is always town.
At night you may visit someone to frame them as scum.
If you target dies at night, you commit suicide at the next days end.

[yzb25]

We are halfway through the day with votes all over the place. I believe that a ML may actually be a cultist/occultist leader lunatic. I am claiming Investigator, last night I checked taekyon. "Your need to prove yourself has led you to the cell of Taekyon, who you believe to be an Mason Leader" I did not recieve any feedback relating to being witched. With yzb claiming ML, and the BD claiming not having made a move, this gives us 2 potential MLs, which I do not believe would be selected in this setup. If my role is real, then assuming i rolled the 25% real role, yzb is a lunatic or lying. If i rolled the 25% role card roll, then taekyon is a lunatic. Of course the lunatics could be any role, but i believe if anything, its going to be a cult type role, that is entirely a gut feeling though.

Hopefully this will consolidate the votes.

-vote yzb25

Oh yeah, also, can you clarify your usage of the word "consolidate"? I'm not sure you're using the right word......

[ThePaladin]

@Taekyon is your received role Mason Leader

[yzb25]

Hi are you an

Executioner

You have 1 auto vest
Your target is always town.
At night you may visit someone to frame them as scum.
If you target dies at night, you commit suicide at the next days end.

I already told y'all I was mason leader, jeeeeeeez.

[ThePaladin]

-vote yzb25

[yzb25]

@Taekyon is your received role Mason Leader

He's too busy getting his rectum examined right now. You'll have to wait until d3 to find out the exciting truth, alas.

Maybe we're both Mason Leaders? This is the 2016 ffs! Are you saying we can't lead together?! </3

[RLVG]

Any combination is possible!

You should've added a Mayor just for the lolz.

@Spruance

Is this your role?

Executioner

You have 1 auto vest
Your target is always town.
At night you may visit someone to frame them as scum.
If you target dies at night, you commit suicide at the next days end.

Oh shit, am I not insane after all? 50%!

If a sheriff is lunaticed as an insane sheriff which would make their received role sheriff, do they get the proper feedback of sheriff since their recieved role and true role technically match?

This was already answered D1.

We are halfway through the day with votes all over the place. I believe that a ML may actually be a cultist/occultist leader lunatic. I am claiming Investigator, last night I checked taekyon. "Your need to prove yourself has led you to the cell of Taekyon, who you believe to be an Mason Leader" I did not recieve any feedback relating to being witched. With yzb claiming ML, and the BD claiming not having made a move, this gives us 2 potential MLs, which I do not believe would be selected in this setup. If my role is real, then assuming i rolled the 25% real role, yzb is a lunatic or lying. If i rolled the 25% role card roll, then taekyon is a lunatic. Of course the lunatics could be any role, but i believe if anything, its going to be a cult type role, that is entirely a gut feeling though.

Hopefully this will consolidate the votes.

-vote yzb25

I already told y'all I was mason leader, jeeeeeeez.

Lol. Since Iced Monopoly claimed that Taekyon is a ML, Taekyon needs to confirm Iced Monopoly.
Otherwise, Monopoly is scum or Lunatic.

[yzb25]

You should've added a Mayor just for the lolz.



Oh shit, am I not insane after all? 50%!



This was already answered D1.




Lol. Since Iced Monopoly claimed that Taekyon is a ML, Taekyon needs to confirm Iced Monopoly.
Otherwise, Monopoly is scum or Lunatic.

Good commentary bro.

[ThePaladin]

You should've added a Mayor just for the lolz.



Oh shit, am I not insane after all? 50%!



This was already answered D1.




Lol. Since Iced Monopoly claimed that Taekyon is a ML, Taekyon needs to confirm Iced Monopoly.
Otherwise, Monopoly is scum or Lunatic.

IIRC host answered whether this was possible not how the feedback would work.

[ThePaladin]

Since if you know your true role you get your proper true role feedback.

So technically if you receive your true role as a lunatic then you should get proper true role feedback.

[ThePaladin]

Good commentary bro.

Nice shitposts bro.

[yzb25]

Nice shitposts bro.

Now you're getting it.

[RLVG]

So technically if you receive your true role as a lunatic then you should get proper true role feedback.

What if I'm an Insane Sheriff who received the Sheriff feedback, who were a Lunatic Sheriff? :troll:

[deathworlds]

If a sheriff is lunaticed as an insane sheriff which would make their received role sheriff, do they get the proper feedback of sheriff since their recieved role and true role technically match?

No, in this case randomized feedback can still happen, due to lunatic mechanics.

[ThePaladin]

What if I'm an Insane Sheriff who received the Sheriff feedback, who were a Lunatic Sheriff? :troll:

Lunatic is the first thing that happens it can't be the third thing. You can't recieve a lunatic role from a role that recieves a role since it gives you the wrong feedback for the role. Roll Do a battrel Roll do a rolling roll for your role. Rolling to your right role.

[ThePaladin]

No, in this case randomized feedback can still happen, due to lunatic mechanics.

I was told this setup would have insanity.

I am disappointed.

[deathworlds]

I was told this setup would have insanity.

I am disappointed.

You're playing this, which means you must already be insane .

[RLVG]

Is it possible for a Sheriff to be a Lunatic Insane Sheriff? ansGame:

[Iced_Monopoly]

Lol. Since Iced Monopoly claimed that Taekyon is a ML, Taekyon needs to confirm Iced Monopoly.
Otherwise, Monopoly is scum or Lunatic.

Youre forgetting the outcome where Taek is actually a lunatic, the only way that I am scum in this outcome is if I am a lunatic. If Taek claims anything other than ML, then I have either detected his true identity and he is in fact a lunatic, or I am a lunatic. If he claims ML, then I am confirmed (to myself at the minimum). Given that a role card can be their true identity, i have a 50% chance of getting their true identity if theyre not a lunatic, but I have no way of knowing.

[RLVG]

I want to host meta this so much lol.

[RLVG]

Youre forgetting the outcome where Taek is actually a lunatic, the only way that I am scum in this outcome is if I am a lunatic. If Taek claims anything other than ML, then I have either detected his true identity and he is in fact a lunatic, or I am a lunatic. If he claims ML, then I am confirmed (to myself at the minimum). Given that a role card can be their true identity, i have a 50% chance of getting their true identity if theyre not a lunatic, but I have no way of knowing.

This makes voting YZB luck chanced and I'm against RNG.

[ThePaladin]

Is it possible for a Sheriff to be a Lunatic Insane Sheriff? ansGame:

You mean an insane sheriff to be a sheriff who is a lunatic who recives another role with that roles feedback?

THATS NOT HOW ORDER WORKS

[RLVG]

You mean an insane sheriff to be a sheriff who is a lunatic who recives another role with that roles feedback?

THATS NOT HOW ORDER WORKS

Exactly. :troll:

[ThePaladin]

This makes voting YZB luck chanced and I'm against RNG.

This setup is literally 100% rng.

At least we narrow things down in worst possible case.

Also he wants people to vote Iced but won't state why.

Spoiler : Almost like a certain role :

Executioner

You have 1 auto vest
Your target is always town.
At night you may visit someone to frame them as scum.
If you target dies at night, you commit suicide at the next days end.

[RLVG]

Inb4 there's 4 executioners and 1 killer. ::

[RLVG]

Inb4 there's 4 executioners and 1 killer. ::

And just for the added fuckery, make all executioners target the same guy lol.

[ThePaladin]

Exactly. :troll:

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Literally this setup in a nutshell.

[ThePaladin]

And just for the added fuckery, make all executioners target the same guy lol.

But doesn't that mean that we basically win if we lynch exe target?

[yzb25]

This makes voting YZB luck chanced and I'm against RNG.

Lol acting like voting me today matters.

Cute.

[ThePaladin]

But doesn't that mean that we basically win if we lynch exe target?

New Meta: Listening to the Exe's is good since they all commit suicide

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[RLVG]

But doesn't that mean that we basically win if we lynch exe target?

Let's see if there's a secret plot twist.

Can the Executioner win and deny everyone else from winning based on his victory alone?

[Taekyon]

I'm back.
I'm still reading but saw the investigator thing...
My rolecard is not Mason Leader.

[ThePaladin]

Let's see if there's a secret plot twist.

Can the Executioner win and deny everyone else from winning based on his victory alone?

Ultra plot twist

The exe all share the same target who gets turned into jester.




Is there no punishment for town for lynching jester (king)?


Jester King
-Unique Role-
At night you may jesterfy someone. Turning them into a Jester.
You may only turn 2 people into a jester.
You cannot convert other sinister.
You are informed of successful conversion, but not who you converted.



Jester
At night you may visit someone.
You are informed of who the Jester King is.

I don't see anything here about someone randomly getting suicided

[yzb25]

I'm back.
I'm still reading but saw the investigator thing...
My rolecard is not Mason Leader.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Anyway, people really ought to take the time to read all of d1. Like, really. I know it's hard but... come on...

[ThePaladin]

I'm back.
I'm still reading but saw the investigator thing...
My rolecard is not Mason Leader.

So he's either a lunatic mason leader or not a mason leader.

Oh wait we still have 25% chance regardless.
X_X

[RLVG]

I don't see anything here about someone randomly getting suicided

Maybe you're secretly a journalist because you act like one. :troll:

[GameFreak]

Who softed Escort again ?

[ThePaladin]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Anyway, people really ought to take the time to read all of d1. Like, really. I know it's hard but... come on...

I'd assume most people have read d1.

Why do you keep pointing this out.

Is there something that you find particularly interesting about d1?

[ThePaladin]

Who softed Escort again ?

Did I soft or Did I not soft.

THAT is the question.

[RLVG]

Who softed Escort again ?

Gyrlander either softed Escort, or softed roleblocked.

[RLVG]

Did I soft or Did I not soft.

THAT is the question.

Freudian answer. ::

[Iced_Monopoly]

This makes voting YZB luck chanced and I'm against RNG.

This is true, but if we imagine for a moment that theres no chance im a lunatic, and that my feedback is correct, then we have 2 ML claims, so one or both are lunatics (of course they BOTH could be MLs, but thats less likely).

YZB has come out and directly claimed ML, a risky move given that it would likely be a unique role, and one possibly in the game with the threat of a cult faction. Which im speculating exists given the ratios of town to scum and the any random fields. So I BELIEVE that YZB recieved the ML card at game start.

My detection is a 50/25/25, with 50 for cit. Given I didnt recieve cit, that leaves 50/50 for role or card role. We know that the role card can be the true role, so my detection is broken into 3 possible outcomes. True role revealed, role card being legit - true role revealed, role card being lunatic - true role not revealed. thats a 66% chance that Taek is actual ML vs a 33% hes a lunatic.

When comparing the two, its more likely based on my feedback that Taek is the ML and that yzb is the lunatic ML. I also believe the one of the MLs is a cultist leader from speculating, and so I believe that YZB is a cultist/occultist leader believing hes ML.

Of course if Taek doesnt claim ML, then there is a possibility im a lunatic. Which if I were a lunatic would lend me to the possibility of being a scum role, but also a different town role.

Subnote, my math may be wrong here, correct me if im wrong.

[ThePaladin]

Maybe you're secretly a journalist because you act like one. :troll:

That's not an actual role in this setup.

Unless you mean irl in which case I cannot confirm nor deny.

[yzb25]

I'd assume most people have read d1.

Why do you keep pointing this out.

Is there something that you find particularly interesting about d1?

I guess I just wanna make sure our town is being good and taking the time to read each post, y'know? Rather than taking other people's word at face value, y'know?

Ah well. There's probably nothing in d1 that completely nullifies this entire discussion about me.