S-FM 204: Insanity

[Unknown1234]

Pssst its the exact same post i msde in another game with spruance

You were suggesting a policy lynch on him.

[Unknown1234]

Hi. I'm here.
I have a lot to sort through though.

-vote Ra

Eh?

[secondpassing]

Eh?

It's basically an unvote.

[ThePaladin]

Not exactly, but I don't doubt your claim. Policy lynching FTW! Really good work ThePaladin.

Why did you change the vote on the guy when you even state he just said his role could only be town which is wrong

There appears to be some contradictory reading vs action here

[ThePaladin]

Eh?

Hes an egyptian god

[ThePaladin]

You were suggesting a policy lynch on him.

Do you understand what generic placement votes are?

[ThePaladin]

In a generic placement vote you usually vote the person you like the least usually due to previous game behaviour

[Unknown1234]

Why did you change the vote on the guy when you even state he just said his role could only be town which is wrong

There appears to be some contradictory reading vs action here

Because what does that have to do with his role specifically?

[Unknown1234]

In a generic placement vote you usually vote the person you like the least usually due to previous game behaviour

That's terrible. I would have voted you.

[ThePaladin]

Because what does that have to do with his role specifically?

He claimed he could not be a sinister because that was he recieved role

However iirc a lunatic can recieve any role minus mason or culted,person

[ThePaladin]

It seems suspect since he is trying very hard to say hes bit sinister un a setup where its not possible

Like a freudian slip

[secondpassing]

"The lack of activity while I was asleep makes me think a lot of town received scum rolecards. That, or TDL bombed this day by his simple comment." -secondpassing

"The drop in activity is really odd.

It's not like there's nothing to talk about.

Pressure voting is a good idea at this time." - yzb25

If you think the drop in activity was really odd, why do you think this is so? I offerred a theory, what do you make of it?

Any thoughts on the pressure votes on GF, the conversation between unknown and ice, or any other meaningless things we desperately convince ourselves have value to make the thought of our inevitable death more bearable?

I am going to support this GameFreak Train.

-vote GameFreak

Why? <----------- not bold white text
1. He felt the pressure of my vote onto him, and while he did not vote me back it was clearly an OMGUS. Same with Taekyon, but he actually voted this person. (OMGUS)
2. GameFreak lurks as scum. My belief is that town would make the time to post and help out. (Meta)
3. Low post count. (Lurking)
4. Lack of analysis OR failure to read the thread (see above)

I am no longer in favor of a Iced lynch today. He seems to be contributing without Unknown's whatever he called him out on. He said some odd things but nothing worthy of utmost attention right now. Someone is going to take this out of context lol, so if you quote this post, don't forget to quote the one I have to Iced_Monopoly.

Side note before we die: I understand why you have that avatar, not the legs part, but I don't enjoy looking at a urinal all day.

I'm not even sure if he's bloody reading. I have no idea whether I should continue to support this train given the conditions. If he's just not going to defend himself this will likely degenerate into a policy lynch. That's not necessarily a terrible idea, but it's still a bad idea if he flips town.

He's clearly having an off-game activity wise. He was always a little on the low side, but it was never this bad. He was also a decent contributor, even as scum.

urghhhh

To me GameFreak no longer has the energy to be a decent contributor when he is scum.

This is directed at anyone who has anything meaningful to say about Paladin.

While Paladin and Calix and Banana may not get along, I lump them sometimes in the same category. They'll probably talk themselves to death and are useful to us no matter their alignment for the first parts of this game.

He's also led me twice to victory.

I've played three games with him so far:
1- He created enough distraction for me to get an exe's lynch off. Problem was, I replaced in too late to take advantage of it.
2- Created the game winning strategy then got converted to cult, so he lost. #prayeveryday
3- Identified the game winning mindset, then talked himself to death, so he lost. D:

[secondpassing]

Hes an egyptian god

This should make more sense to Unknown1234:

-vote Deathworlds Host

[secondpassing]

This should make more sense to Unknown1234:

-vote Deathworlds Host

Oh whoops, these posts are out of order.

-vote GameFreak

[Gyrlander]

Long-ish post incoming, here's my thought so far.

Spoiler : secondpassing :

"Our goal is not to not lynch town." So this guy want to lynch town?

Spoiler : GameFreak :

Trying to shift the vote train without any justification on why he voted on me except "you know, why not him?"

Spoiler : Eggy :

And then? Nothing. No contribution after this. "Random vote then I'm gone"

Spoiler : Spruance :

This is his first on longest post as of now. seccondpassing voted him cause he's lurking hard



I see this as a random/revenge vote



After his failed attempt at shifting the train on him with secondpassing, he vote ThePaladin which already have some votes. But with a flawed logic of his past game. Irrelevent to this game



No answer about this after being challenged by TheDarkestLight

Spoiler : Gyrlander :

Random vote on me for no apparent reason. Plus, he sided with GameFreak on that vote, knowing that he's a current target as of now. I see that as potential sinister helping another potential sinister



Gyrlander never answered those question. No justification on his vote or why he doesn't vote for GameFreak. Possible buddying with GameGreak

Note that I did not tag anyone as sinister here because we can't be sure of anything as of now.
I am willing to put pressure on those above if needed.

LOL. Sweetie, sinisters doesn't know who the other is + chance of being lunatic so you are totally wrong LOL. I'm just gut-reading you as scum so I voted you + Pharah's Ultimate Phrase. EPIC.

Ah, and I couldn't because PARTY PARTY PARTY

[secondpassing]

This is one of the first games I haven't had a day 1 train, and I've done nothing.

What is this world becoming?

One in which everybody appreciates your contributions? Some of it may be misguided though. Don't seem to understand why you think ThePaladin is messing us up.

Spruance seems basically like a policy lynch.
ThePaladin is being voted for no reason. The argument itself is the lack of arguments.
GameFreak got votes because he misinterpreted something you said and people didn't agree with it. None of this seems scummy to me, but I'll see GameFreaks interactions.

Had a spheal on Spruance, but after his claim it's not worth anyone's time to read.

Spruance claims Asylum Counselor.
I don't actually believe him, but neither can I explain why.

Having a sinister Rolecard doesn't make you sinister*

Kovath made a good point.


Summary of thoughts on Unknown for the last few hours: I'm impressed.

[secondpassing]

Screw it this is taking too long.
I'll just get on with the good stuff.

[ThePaladin]

What are your guys thoughts of unknown saying there is no reason for a train ti be on me then proceeding to vote me and put me at l3 when nothing new happened?

[Taekyon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but anybody could claim an Insane role on D1 to save himself.
The fact that he's claiming an important role is suspicious...could just be a coinsidence though.
If he had claimed something else, I would have been less tempted to keep my vote on him.

I'll still switch to GameFreak for pressure

-vote GameFreak

Also @Gyrlander ,
I know sinister doesn't know who the other sinister are, that's not the point.
I said potential sinister anyway. This gut-reading of yours could help you buddy with potential partner.

Mandatory Overwatch quote in response to Pharah: DIE! DIE! DIE! - Reaper (Not a treat, just a quote of one of my main character)

[secondpassing]

While we have no real way of knowing our true roles, this does not excuse us to do nothing so please stop posting your frustrations of not actually thinking who is scum and who isn't.
Why? Because according to the setup, there are more insane than there are sinister so I think assuming the rolecard you got is the alignment you have is a good way to start.

Every vote is a sort of policy on day 1. Taekyon I don't want to hear anything else about being against policy. I also don't appreciate the dig you had at me with those words.

We don't have a lot of focus yet (especially with votes) and I am missing the sight to view all players at once.

It would help if others could help me collect vote counts. I'm missing a couple.

[ThePaladin]

If host isnt a comolete troll then the sinisters are probably all or mostly lunatics of town faction

So technically anyone with a sinister role shoukd play protown

[ThePaladin]

Meaning that a person claiming sinister as revealed role wpuld most likely be town....

Wow this gets weirder

[ThePaladin]

Can someone do a rvs, I cant since mobile

[Unknown1234]

If you think the drop in activity was really odd, why do you think this is so? I offerred a theory, what do you make of it?



I am going to support this GameFreak Train.

-vote GameFreak

Why? <----------- not bold white text
1. He felt the pressure of my vote onto him, and while he did not vote me back it was clearly an OMGUS. Same with Taekyon, but he actually voted this person. (OMGUS)
2. GameFreak lurks as scum. My belief is that town would make the time to post and help out. (Meta)
3. Low post count. (Lurking)
4. Lack of analysis OR failure to read the thread (see above)

I am no longer in favor of a Iced lynch today. He seems to be contributing without Unknown's whatever he called him out on. He said some odd things but nothing worthy of utmost attention right now. Someone is going to take this out of context lol, so if you quote this post, don't forget to quote the one I have to Iced_Monopoly.

Side note before we die: I understand why you have that avatar, not the legs part, but I don't enjoy looking at a urinal all day.


To me GameFreak no longer has the energy to be a decent contributor when he is scum.


While Paladin and Calix and Banana may not get along, I lump them sometimes in the same category. They'll probably talk themselves to death and are useful to us no matter their alignment for the first parts of this game.

He's also led me twice to victory.

I've played three games with him so far:
1- He created enough distraction for me to get an exe's lynch off. Problem was, I replaced in too late to take advantage of it.
2- Created the game winning strategy then got converted to cult, so he lost. #prayeveryday
3- Identified the game winning mindset, then talked himself to death, so he lost. D:

1.) He said he had no time to play at that point. How did he act poorly to pressure? He legitimately could have thought Taekyon is scum.
2.) Any allignment is allowed to put in effort. This is a poor assumption.
3.) Lurking=/= scum. If that's one of your reasons then should think half the game is scum.
4.) once again, town can put in just as little effort as scum can. It seems like your basing your scum read on him based on what you think the ideal scum player would do, which is to not try, no analysis, act all defensive and vote whoever votes them. Your perfect town image is perhaps to always put In effort, give reads on everyone, get involved and encourage others to talk.

This is not how it works in most games.

Why is Banana and Calix being mentioned? This is so irrelevant it boggles my mind. Let's focus on players IN our game please.

People are going to have different perspectives on how they feel someone plays. Clearly mine and yours are not the same on ThePaladin, which is respectable.

1.? Distractions, definitely. His theory of playing games in FM doesn't bind with mine. It just creates less room for pressure and more on shit posting.
2.) what does that have to do with this game?
3.) I don't get it.

[secondpassing]

What are your guys thoughts of unknown saying there is no reason for a train ti be on me then proceeding to vote me and put me at l3 when nothing new happened?

It's a bad move. That is all.

[ThePaladin]

Unknown there is a reason Im known for being able to tell town how to win in every game

You havent plzyed with me enough

[secondpassing]

Can someone do a rvs, I cant since mobile

GameFreak (4 [L-3]):
Kovath, secondpassing, Taekyon, TheDarkestLight
ThePaladin (4 [L-3]):
Unknown1234, Iced_Monopoly, Eggy, Spruance
Spruance (2 [L-5]):
ThePaladin, RLVG
Taekyon (2 [L-5]):
Gyrlander, GameFreak

[ThePaladin]

I also come up with the most ridiculous strateies to meet my wincon see romeo and juliet, my unlyncher play

[ThePaladin]

Im still salty about getting culted when I literally won the game for town

[Kovath]

I think Spruance did receive the Asylum Counselor rolecard (whether it's true or not, we have no idea - but either way, with no evidence of Lunatic it'd be idiotic to lynch him).

The way he's behaved strikes me as the exact kind of thing - First, he throws out a half-hearted joke at being lynched without a chance to defend himself. Second, he basically lurks to oblivion and contributes nothing (plus his shitty vote on Paladin) - could be scum but also could be PR behavior, resting on his laurels to live through the night, and also relying on his role claim to save himself from suspicion rather than his actual contributions to town. Finally, he 'panics' at being kinda L-3 or whatever it was and just claims to diffuse pressure because he knows he's been shitty, perhaps hoping it'll help him make it through the night too (potential protectives?).

My role is Asylum Counselor so I'm the only role in the game that can't be scum... if you lynch me you are retarded lmao

Thing is, though, the Asylum Director is the unique town role, not the Counselor...

Some questions remain about this slot but not a viable lynch for today.

[Unknown1234]

One in which everybody appreciates your contributions? Some of it may be misguided though. Don't seem to understand why you think ThePaladin is messing us up.



Had a spheal on Spruance, but after his claim it's not worth anyone's time to read.

Spruance claims Asylum Counselor.
I don't actually believe him, but neither can I explain why.


Kovath made a good point.


Summary of thoughts on Unknown for the last few hours: I'm impressed.

Why are you skeptical of his claim exactly? Is there any reason to be skeptical of it?

What exactly did Kovath make that was so good? Just because you have this Rolecard doesn't mean you will actually be that role, it's a obvious observation.

How would this make me scum thoug?

Impressed on the comments about me? I have failed to see many.

[secondpassing]

1.) He said he had no time to play at that point. How did he act poorly to pressure? He legitimately could have thought Taekyon is scum.
2.) Any allignment is allowed to put in effort. This is a poor assumption.
3.) Lurking=/= scum. If that's one of your reasons then should think half the game is scum.
4.) once again, town can put in just as little effort as scum can. It seems like your basing your scum read on him based on what you think the ideal scum player would do, which is to not try, no analysis, act all defensive and vote whoever votes them. Your perfect town image is perhaps to always put In effort, give reads on everyone, get involved and encourage others to talk.

While players are allowed to put in effort, the question is: do they? Who feels more compelled to put in effort? Why do they feel compelled to put in effort?
Big Hint: Team effort

Lurking = Scum. Half of the players are acting scum-like.

Can you explain to me why a town wouldn't want to put in effort, give reads on everyone, get involved and encourage others to talk?
(I don't actually try to encourage others to talk, I just try to lynch them.)

Every thing else in your quote was directed mostly toward yzb25. If you wish you following along, I highly recommend you doing so as everything is relevant to this game here.

[ThePaladin]

While players are allowed to put in effort, the question is: do they? Who feels more compelled to put in effort? Why do they feel compelled to put in effort?
Big Hint: Team effort

Lurking = Scum. Half of the players are acting scum-like.

Can you explain to me why a town wouldn't want to put in effort, give reads on everyone, get involved and encourage others to talk?
(I don't actually try to encourage others to talk, I just try to lynch them.)

Every thing else in your quote was directed mostly toward yzb25. If you wish you following along, I highly recommend you doing so as everything is relevant to this game here.

Why town wouldnt put in effort

Cause they are scrubs who sign for gamesthey only half heartedly play cause thats the site meta

This is why I advocate for gernadier role
You can daykill 5 people once per game

[yzb25]

If you think the drop in activity was really odd, why do you think this is so? I offerred a theory, what do you make of it?

Tbh, I think it became clear afterwards that the drop was due to timezone shenanigans. I doubt TDL's ability to sway the hearts and minds of every player by pointing out the existence of uncertainty is THAT powerful :P

I am going to support this GameFreak Train.

-vote GameFreak

Why? <----------- not bold white text
1. He felt the pressure of my vote onto him, and while he did not vote me back it was clearly an OMGUS. Same with Taekyon, but he actually voted this person. (OMGUS)
2. GameFreak lurks as scum. My belief is that town would make the time to post and help out. (Meta)
3. Low post count. (Lurking)
4. Lack of analysis OR failure to read the thread (see above)

I've decided to lay off Gamefreak. If he gets his shit together it may turn out he was a town having a rough week. If he stays this way we can simply peg him as dogshit and put his lynch on the bukkit list. Either way spending this time pressuring people with a pulse will be more beneficial.

While Paladin and Calix and Banana may not get along, I lump them sometimes in the same category. They'll probably talk themselves to death and are useful to us no matter their alignment for the first parts of this game.

Idk much about Banana - never played with that fruit. He compared himself to Calix, but I honestly don't see it at all. Sure they both talk a lot, but to very different effects. Calix takes a more offensive approach with others, while Paladin barely even pokes/prods. (I'm speaking in d1 terms only obviously).

He's also led me twice to victory.

I've played three games with him so far:
1- He created enough distraction for me to get an exe's lynch off. Problem was, I replaced in too late to take advantage of it.
2- Created the game winning strategy then got converted to cult, so he lost. #prayeveryday
3- Identified the game winning mindset, then talked himself to death, so he lost. D:

Quite the tragic mafia career. I can relate, as someone who has never officially won this game XD

Side note before we die: I understand why you have that avatar, not the legs part, but I don't enjoy looking at a urinal all day.

I felt very uncomfortable with this avatar at first, but somehow it's began to grow on me, in ways that would make you feel uncomfortable if elaborated too far. I'll change it one day, but I feel like it captures an element of myself I want to cling on to for as long as I can get away with, before the shame overwhelms me and I let go. Sorry man, this is more than a passing joke now - it's a way of life.

[ThePaladin]

Those 5 are determined by lowest number of posts and verified by host

[Unknown1234]

Those 5 are determined by lowest number of posts and verified by host

It must be a big game though, wouldn't it?

[ThePaladin]

It must be a big game though, wouldn't it?

Greater than or equal to 13 players

[secondpassing]

Why are you skeptical of his claim exactly? Is there any reason to be skeptical of it?

What exactly did Kovath make that was so good? Just because you have this Rolecard doesn't mean you will actually be that role, it's a obvious observation.

How would this make me scum thoug?

Impressed on the comments about me? I have failed to see many.

Kovath's point:

Uncertainty is reasonable but not an excuse to do nothing. We all received role cards. We have no indication that those role cards are Lunatic cards. Our two choices for today are still the same; and if a slot is not even attempting to contribute then it's setting up a similar expectation from that slot for later days.
Let insanity reign.

The only reason I can explain why Spruance's claim is something I don't believe is that there wasn't a build up. The other two meta and gut are not explainable.

This doesn't make you scum.

Not the comments about you. Comments you made.

Please respond to this:
Don't seem to understand why you think ThePaladin is messing us up.

[Unknown1234]

Greater than or equal to 13 players

What if there is 6 people left and they have the highest post count?

[yzb25]

Why town wouldnt put in effort

Cause they are scrubs who sign for gamesthey only half heartedly play cause thats the site meta

This is why I advocate for gernadier role
You can daykill 5 people once per game

So basically a marshall minus the democracy?

tl;dr Paladin is anti public education AND anti democracy.
conclusion: Paladin is satan.

[Unknown1234]

Distraction-Checkers
Ego-Always assumes he knows who is scum
Scum-hunting-doesn't look for the right things IMO
Policy-Likes to lynch players off of policy

Can't say more, won't reply again.

[yzb25]

Distraction-Checkers
Ego-Always assumes he knows who is scum
Scum-hunting-doesn't look for the right things IMO
Policy-Likes to lynch players off of policy

Can't say more, won't reply again.

How long will you be on for?

[yzb25]

How long will you be on for?

Also to Kovath and SP

[Unknown1234]

How long will you be on for?

Don't worry about my activity, I'm almost always around, I'll pop in every while if I'm busy too.

[yzb25]

That reminds me:

If anyone can post when they can DEFINITELY be on, that would make life so much easier for people trying to pursue interviews with select members.

If you can, please post a 1 hour period when you are 100% sure you will be around to chat. If you can give more time for when you will definitely be around, that will be even better.

I don't think anyone has any grounds to disagree with this. It's not compulsory obviously, just a nice thing to do if you can. So I'd be grateful if y'all spread the word.

I can definitely be on from 7pm to 9pm GMT. I'll try to give heads up if life fucks that up.

Anyway, yay more people. If anyone is staying around until 3am GMT, there's a good chance you can catch a wild eggy. Try to snare him and ask him thoughts on the game. If he's too much of a lazy piece of shit to read all these pages I recommend you ask he reads a few bits and ask his opinion on that. I'd do it myself but I'm a lot more tired than expected.

Eggy has been the most inactive player this game, so there's a big bounty on his head!

[yzb25]

Don't worry about my activity, I'm almost always around, I'll pop in every while if I'm busy too.

Thankyou very much! =D

[secondpassing]

How long will you be on for?

No idea.

[Unknown1234]

I'm EST, so usually in about 9 hours I'll sleep.

[Kovath]

I'm usually around during mornings and afternoons, Central Time. Evenings less so.

[secondpassing]

That reminds me:

If anyone can post when they can DEFINITELY be on, that would make life so much easier for people trying to pursue interviews with select members.

If you can, please post a 1 hour period when you are 100% sure you will be around to chat. If you can give more time for when you will definitely be around, that will be even better.

I don't think anyone has any grounds to disagree with this. It's not compulsory obviously, just a nice thing to do if you can. So I'd be grateful if y'all spread the word.

I can definitely be on from 7pm to 9pm GMT. I'll try to give heads up if life fucks that up.

Anyway, yay more people. If anyone is staying around until 3am GMT, there's a good chance you can catch a wild eggy. Try to snare him and ask him thoughts on the game. If he's too much of a lazy piece of shit to read all these pages I recommend you ask he reads a few bits and ask his opinion on that. I'd do it myself but I'm a lot more tired than expected.

Eggy has been the most inactive player this game, so there's a big bounty on his head!

Ow that color hurts. I'm usually on around 3AM GMT unless I'm too tired on a work day or if I have extra time sometime else.

You could just drop Eggy an interview now and hope he reads it later.