S-FM 157: gLiTCh_44

[Toadette]

Who else was shocked by Supers flip!!!!


Btw I was role blocked last night lol, why did you guys think I was a PR lol.

That's all I have to report, I am willing to consider a Darkness lynch.

You are so freaking obvious. Remember this?

I say we lynch Super Jack and revisit Darkness tomorrow depending on the flip.

Here's what I think happened. Darkness picked up that Superjack was acting against his meta (according to Darkness and others) and missed the jester chance due to tunnel vision.

Firebringer sits back knowing neither are hackers (OR Firebringer is glitch aligned alone) aka neither is his teammate and both are okay to lynch. Firebringer goes along with the crowd uncaring of Superjacks alignment and then does the obvious:

Who else was shocked by Supers flip!!!!


Btw I was role blocked last night lol, why did you guys think I was a PR lol.

That's all I have to report, I am willing to consider a Darkness lynch.

I'm actually more inclined to think he's glitch. This is a very casual suggestion of what he wants done without poking the fire too much.

Conclusion:

Darkness is town who tunneled

Firebringer is scum, most likely glitch.

[Toadette]

I would be lying if I abstained because I saw it coming.
This was even worse than lynching a townie. Literally worst case scenario.

This makes me so uneasy. Why would you just abstain if you saw it coming? Why wouldn't you try to stop it?

If Firebringers not glitch he's a hacker, and this guy is glitch.

[Firebringer]

Umm did you not read the part about me being role blocked, because it kind of makes some holes in your glitch theory.

[MattZed]

SuperJack's new name is too shiny.

I currently do not have a strong opinion on who to vote. Stand by that SuperJack lynch, though. If I were a tryhard, I'd find that post where I called him out on being a jester.

[Toadette]

Umm did you not read the part about me being role blocked, because it kind of makes some holes in your glitch theory.

If your claim is accurate. And even if it is you still might be a hacker.

I don't believe the claim on the surface given your behavior but obviously well have to wait and see won't we?

[Toadette]

SuperJack's new name is too shiny.

I currently do not have a strong opinion on who to vote. Stand by that SuperJack lynch, though. If I were a tryhard, I'd find that post where I called him out on being a jester.

See this opinion makes sense other than "OMG who saw that coming I didn't!"

If you were scum reading superjack then this reaction is appropriate because jester flip makes sense.

[MattZed]

Actually, guys, I kinda wanna know what ika's role is.

-vote ika

[Firebringer]

I just re read setup, glitch kill happens before role block.

Just to double check.

Is glitch kill possible to roleblock?

^sorry on phone.

[Toadette]

Actually, guys, I kinda wanna know what ika's role is.

-vote ika

Glitch candidate number 3.

[Firebringer]

Glitch candidate number 3.

I'm curious why you are so interested in glitch over any other scum role, we really should be worried about hackers right now.

I kinda feel like you are hacker trying to divert hunting to someone who could night kill you.

[Firebringer]

I actually feel good about this direction:

-vote Toadette

[Toadette]

I'm curious why you are so interested in glitch over any other scum role, we really should be worried about hackers right now.

I kinda feel like you are hacker trying to divert hunting to someone who could night kill you.

I said you could be hacker or glitch given your scumminess

I said shifty could be glitch because letting a jester be lynched
gives glitch unlimited kills

MattZed pressuring ika makes him instant glitch candidate given that he shares a nightchat with SuperJack and wants to know where SuperJack stands so he can work with or against glitch

Use your head.

[Toadette]

I actually feel good about this direction:

-vote Toadette

lol scum read me for scum reading you. Nice work.

[Firebringer]

Actually, guys, I kinda wanna know what ika's role is.

-vote ika

I though so too at first when game day opened then I thought about it, what would it accomplish?
Yes we will know if SJ is with us or against us, but what can he do? Nothing.

So it really isn't useful for us to lynch Ika unless we are hard scum reading him.

At worst SJ will convince one or two of us to change votes during game, but really he is just here to add a day troll to the game.

[Firebringer]

I said you could be hacker or glitch given your scumminess

I said shifty could be glitch because letting a jester be lynched
gives glitch unlimited kills

MattZed pressuring ika makes him instant glitch candidate given that he shares a nightchat with SuperJack and wants to know where SuperJack stands so he can work with or against glitch

Use your head.

I am.

Glitch isn't a concern right now, since glitch can cross kill for us, the concern is hackers.

If you were town, you would know this.

[MattZed]

I though so too at first when game day opened then I thought about it, what would it accomplish?
Yes we will know if SJ is with us or against us, but what can he do? Nothing.

So it really isn't useful for us to lynch Ika unless we are hard scum reading him.

At worst SJ will convince one or two of us to change votes during game, but really he is just here to add a day troll to the game.

Oh, I also think ika is hard to scumread because he never says shit and I think he's kinda shifty.

I honestly have no solid leads.

[Firebringer]

lol scum read me for scum reading you. Nice work.

I think I gave adequate reasons why I think your behavior is suspicious, so I don't know what your point is.
I guess discrediting my point by making it like I am only scum reading you for scum reading me?

Also why not vote me if you are scum reading me?

[Firebringer]

Oh, I also think ika is hard to scumread because he never says shit and I think he's kinda shifty.

I honestly have no solid leads.

I think I have gotten a hang of Ika scum meta, he normally looks scummy as he'll and doesn't participate much when he is town, ergo he is town in this game.

[Toadette]

Good point.

-vote Firebringer

[ika]

toadette

how come your vote isnt in play?

pedit nvm

[Firebringer]

I often do make excellent points.

[Firebringer]

toadette

how come your vote isnt in play?

pedit nvm

Hey ika, town bloc?

[Firebringer]

Town block-
Me
Mattzed-I think is obvious town at this point
Ika-already said why he is town.

Everyone else....ehhh

[Toadette]

Ika, have you read day 1 events? What do you get out of the Superjack wagon units entirety and do you think (as I do) that its very possible there were opportunistic scum on that wagon?

[Toadette]

Town block-
Me
Mattzed-I think is obvious town at this point
Ika-already said why he is town.

Everyone else....ehhh

You were claiming day 1 that MattZed was soft claiming corrupted data ware, now he's obvious town to you? What changed?

[Toadette]

I am.

Glitch isn't a concern right now, since glitch can cross kill for us, the concern is hackers.

If you were town, you would know this.

This is such a had post. All scum are a concern. If I had a lead or read on a hacker specifically I would state it.

[Toadette]

Bad* post

[Toadette]

Town block-
Me
Mattzed-I think is obvious town at this point
Ika-already said why he is town.

Everyone else....ehhh

I just did a Google search on "townbloc mafia" to see what they are and the first result was a mafiascum wiki article on townblocs - imagine that! And apparently forcing a townbloc early is a pretty scummy thing to do and they should naturally happen.

Well played Firebringer. Sorry that didn't work out for you.

[Toadette]

"Thus, as scum, ask to form a townbloc. As town, note the potential existence of it, but don't force it. The cards will fall where they will fall, and as a result, will inevitably organize the bloc with rankings."

lmao. Scum tell!

[Firebringer]

I find it humorous you are reading wiki articles on how to play the game rather than forming your own opinion on strategies.

Also that article is stupid "don't force it to happen, let it naturally happen" wtf? Was this written by a hippie?
Like I get the whole "go with the flow" but seriously sometimes you got to do shit to make shit happen.

If I said best way to make a million dollars was to not force it to happen, you would call me a idiot and point out that a goal like that would need to be worked at.


You can't just wait for million dollars to arrive at your doorstep.

So, I am going town hunting and forming town bloc, to hell with those who call that a "scum tell", they are bad and probably scum.

[Toadette]

I find it humorous you are reading wiki articles on how to play the game rather than forming your own opinion on strategies.

Also that article is stupid "don't force it to happen, let it naturally happen" wtf? Was this written by a hippie?
Like I get the whole "go with the flow" but seriously sometimes you got to do shit to make shit happen.

If I said best way to make a million dollars was to not force it to happen, you would call me a idiot and point out that a goal like that would need to be worked at.


You can't just wait for million dollars to arrive at your doorstep.

So, I am going town hunting and forming town bloc, to hell with those who call that a "scum tell", they are bad and probably scum.

I don't pretend to know how to correctly identity scum 100%. Most of it seems logical and part gut, but I'm open to learn.

I'll wait to see other opinions before I post more but you seem super duper scummy for telling me NOT to seek help to okay the game better. Its also weird you want to town hunt instead of scum hunt. Scoping our your night kill targets?

Anyway I'm out for now.

[ika]

Town hunting is a vaild form of scum hunting as well toadett. the thing about town hunitng is that you then get a POE pool and lynch from that.

the wiki is probally more right then fire cares to think though and that forcing town blocs will get backlash. i dont mind it perosnalyl and have used it in the past but its very much more on timing and how its executed

[ika]

that being said i have no intention of reading up on day one and will jsut work form day 2

[ika]

remind me to talk about the town block theory post game cus it will most likely be used in mattz game that is coming up

[Firebringer]

that being said i have no intention of reading up on day one and will jsut work form day 2

This sounds like town ika completely.

[Darkcrusader]

Who the fuck killed Zekrom? that fucking bastard must die! He was my fav jewy , fucking christ.

[SuperJack]

Number 1. I am more useful to town than you think. I am not here to troll
Number 2. I would of worked with Glitch if it wasn't obvious who it was.
Number 3. I already told you who Glitch is. And I need him dead.

[Shifty]

This makes me so uneasy. Why would you just abstain if you saw it coming? Why wouldn't you try to stop it?

If Firebringers not glitch he's a hacker, and this guy is glitch.

I would be lying if I said I abstained because I saw it coming.
This was even worse than lynching a townie. Literally worst case scenario.

Missed a word, hope this clears up any confusion.
I didn't see it coming.

[Darkcrusader]

Number 1. I am more useful to town than you think. I am not here to troll
Number 2. I would of worked with Glitch if it wasn't obvious who it was.
Number 3. I already told you who Glitch is. And I need him dead.

Don't you need the hammer voter to die in order to win?xD or is the hammer voter the glitch?

[Darkcrusader]

Zekrom is spying from the game, fucking glitches with ppl coming back from the dead I swear...fucken christ mate.

[SuperJack]

Don't you need the hammer voter to die in order to win?xD or is the hammer voter the glitch?

Kaching. You get the points.
I need the hammer voter to die, and his alignment.
Fortunetly he is on his own so its an easy win.

I don't see how you haven't already seen it, he already offered to lynch anyone at L-1 yesterday. [This gives him extra kills if not mafia]

He's admitted to not caring I was lynched. And now playing the i don't care card yet participating in this game for a change. Maybe the fact he can kill now just gives him reason to play.

Also. Its obvious from the night chat who I was talking to. It's like trying to figure out the Scooby Doo Badguy.

[Shifty]

Kaching. You get the points.
I need the hammer voter to die, and his alignment.
Fortunetly he is on his own so its an easy win.

I don't see how you haven't already seen it, he already offered to lynch anyone at L-1 yesterday. [This gives him extra kills if not mafia]

He's admitted to not caring I was lynched. And now playing the i don't care card yet participating in this game for a change. Maybe the fact he can kill now just gives him reason to play.

Also. Its obvious from the night chat who I was talking to. It's like trying to figure out the Scooby Doo Badguy.

I usually don't agree with neutrals. but I think getting a role out of ika is pretty much necessary at this point. That hammer sealed the deal.

-vote ika

[Numbertwo]

-vote shifty

A Scum has been found

[SuperJack]

There was no reason for Glitch to fake his writing style, as anyone but Ika I am sided with.

Number Two, your reasoning?

[Darkcrusader]

There was no reason for Glitch to fake his writing style, as anyone but Ika I am sided with.

Number Two, your reasoning?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The friend of my friend is the guy I don't really know that well but might be my enemy because I'm unaware of his alignment.

[Numbertwo]

There was no reason for Glitch to fake his writing style, as anyone but Ika I am sided with.

Number Two, your reasoning?

We all know that you are an executioner that wants to kill ika and all his friends. You are going to do anything and make up any lie to see ika dead.

Shifty is scum for following you.

[DarknessB]

I though so too at first when game day opened then I thought about it, what would it accomplish?
Yes we will know if SJ is with us or against us, but what can he do? Nothing.

So it really isn't useful for us to lynch Ika unless we are hard scum reading him.

At worst SJ will convince one or two of us to change votes during game, but really he is just here to add a day troll to the game.

This is probably correct. If ika is Town, SuperJack is going to want him to get lynched. If ika is a Hacker, SuperJack is going to want him to get lynched. If ika is Glitch, SuperJack is going to want him to get lynched. Anyone else see a pattern here?

I suppose it's possible that SJ could decide to help the Town -- the question is whether his goal is objectively aligned with the Town's. If ika is Town, then we're really digging ourselves into a hole by letting the Ghost-type role lead.

[DarknessB]

I am.

Glitch isn't a concern right now, since glitch can cross kill for us, the concern is hackers.

If you were town, you would know this.

You could actually play this either way -- going for Glitch (trying to reduce the KPN) or going for the Hackers (trying to weaken their block, hoping that Glitch crosshits them tonight). Getting Glitch is the more conservative move and makes the game a vanilla Town vs. Mafia type. Getting a Hacker is the more risky one -- if there isn't crossfire and the 2 KPN hit Townies, then we're really in a huge hole tomorrow.

[Mikecall]

This is probably correct. If ika is Town, SuperJack is going to want him to get lynched. If ika is a Hacker, SuperJack is going to want him to get lynched. If ika is Glitch, SuperJack is going to want him to get lynched. Anyone else see a pattern here?

I suppose it's possible that SJ could decide to help the Town -- the question is whether his goal is objectively aligned with the Town's. If ika is Town, then we're really digging ourselves into a hole by letting the Ghost-type role lead.

You got to think about the sides to this.
Chances of IKA Being Town: 6/11
Chances of IKA Being Hacker: 3/11
Chances of IKA Being Glitch_44: 1/11

So in general, even if there is a chance of ika being town, the scum factors are also very prominent.

[Mikecall]

We all know that you are an executioner that wants to kill ika and all his friends. You are going to do anything and make up any lie to see ika dead.

Shifty is scum for following you.

But in a way, its pretty much an executioner who's target isnt always town.