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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    Galloway, I think you missed Post 217.

    What's your take on Buchwalter btw?
    Buchwalter is showing to take stock of all feedbacks and making that table that he posted here. Both those actions are too time comsuming, imo, for a mafia or savage to take action with. He consistantly keeps people up to date on happenings and that has a town vibe to it as well. While he is not as scumhunting as I would like him to be, he is taking Town Support to a whole nother level. Mafia would love to blend and he is standing out in that regard.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Buchwalter is showing to take stock of all feedbacks and making that table that he posted here. Both those actions are too time comsuming, imo, for a mafia or savage to take action with. He consistantly keeps people up to date on happenings and that has a town vibe to it as well. While he is not as scumhunting as I would like him to be, he is taking Town Support to a whole nother level. Mafia would love to blend and he is standing out in that regard.
    Would your response change if you had reason to believe he received the soma that wound up in the Godfather's hands?

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    Would your response change if you had reason to believe he received the soma that wound up in the Godfather's hands?
    Well yes but assuming what I am assuming of his role I would suggest he gave his SOMA to someone that he felt was town. Of course assuming he did so means that we have a trail of soma to be uncovered in order to find a godfather. Are you suggesting you gave him soma Parker?

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Well yes but assuming what I am assuming of his role I would suggest he gave his SOMA to someone that he felt was town. Of course assuming he did so means that we have a trail of soma to be uncovered in order to find a godfather. Are you suggesting you gave him soma Parker?
    It's patently obvious from when he gave his thoughts on Day 3. His post (although he tries to hide it) reads like a question and answer session. The mayor used someone who they believed was town to get information out of them. Buchwalter has refused to come forward with who he passed the soma to. Therefore, he is the mafia or the Godfather.

    If Buchwalter was town, he would have immediately outed the Godfather.

    No, I'm not claiming I gave Buchwalter the soma. Of course, the mayor should stay hidden.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    It's patently obvious from when he gave his thoughts on Day 3. His post (although he tries to hide it) reads like a question and answer session. The mayor used someone who they believed was town to get information out of them. Buchwalter has refused to come forward with who he passed the soma to. Therefore, he is the mafia or the Godfather.

    If Buchwalter was town, he would have immediately outed the Godfather.

    No, I'm not claiming I gave Buchwalter the soma. Of course, the mayor should stay hidden.
    Just saying if mayor had followed my plan the trail would alrady have been defined and we would know between 2 people who the godfather is. I recommend sticking to my soma idea from now on.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Ackerman View Post
    Just saying if mayor had followed my plan the trail would alrady have been defined and we would know between 2 people who the godfather is. I recommend sticking to my soma idea from now on.
    We do know between two people. Buchwalter and whoever he passed the soma to. The mayor seemed to copy your plan Ackerman.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    It's patently obvious from when he gave his thoughts on Day 3. His post (although he tries to hide it) reads like a question and answer session. The mayor used someone who they believed was town to get information out of them. Buchwalter has refused to come forward with who he passed the soma to. Therefore, he is the mafia or the Godfather.

    If Buchwalter was town, he would have immediately outed the Godfather.

    No, I'm not claiming I gave Buchwalter the soma. Of course, the mayor should stay hidden.
    Quite so. But thats for another day. Splinting the town's focus is a little bad.
    Right now its between Cafarelli and Phelps.
    Im not shoving aside the issue so much as reminding everyone of the chaos of yesterday that wound up wasting over half the day.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Quite so. But thats for another day. Splinting the town's focus is a little bad.
    Right now its between Cafarelli and Phelps.
    Im not shoving aside the issue so much as reminding everyone of the chaos of yesterday that wound up wasting over half the day.
    True. I never meant to derail my own Cafarelli train. I was just telling you, that hey it's kinda obvious. So we can lynch Buchwalter next. Buchwalter right now is at the stage of useful idiot. Plus, me FoSing with an interpreted softclaim of Mayor means that the mafia cannot kill me.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Quite so. But thats for another day. Splinting the town's focus is a little bad.
    Right now its between Cafarelli and Phelps.
    Im not shoving aside the issue so much as reminding everyone of the chaos of yesterday that wound up wasting over half the day.
    I fail to see why its him or me. There is a realistic chance that we both are town. It wouldn't be the first game in FM history where town was lynching themselves. It happens all the time apparently. Why are you so sure about it that one of us is scum?

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    Not possible. If the interceptor visited the target who received soma, the mayor would be dead or received an attacked and healed message.
    Do we even know if anyone recieved soma? The interceptor only kills the first person that visits, which would be the savage investigator if they got a interceptor.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    It's patently obvious from when he gave his thoughts on Day 3. His post (although he tries to hide it) reads like a question and answer session. The mayor used someone who they believed was town to get information out of them. Buchwalter has refused to come forward with who he passed the soma to. Therefore, he is the mafia or the Godfather.

    If Buchwalter was town, he would have immediately outed the Godfather.

    No, I'm not claiming I gave Buchwalter the soma. Of course, the mayor should stay hidden.
    I have not been hiding it, just have not been about to really sit down and write before now. Sorry about that.

    I did indeed receive a dosage of Soma on night 3 with a message telling me to answer those questions, but at the same time it said to hide who I got it from so i wrote it a little like it was my own idea.

    The Soma I then sent on to Earle with a similar message, hoping to hear more of his thoughts and maybe get him to post something useful.

    Earle did not do anything on day 4, I was not around the last hours of the day cause of time issues. I did hint at Earle to come forth but he has not posted since. [#140]

    Soma message I sent to Earle:
    Spoiler : Soma Message :
    Hello fellow towny!

    I received soma last night by the mayor. I'm only a delta so I decided to pass it on to you! You seem pretty towny to me so I hope you can put it to good use. The mayor made a plan for me to send questions to you so that he could see where the soma is heading. So please answer these in day chat -

    - Who do you think is the most scummy?

    - Who do you think is mafia?

    - Who do you think is savage?

    - Who do you think is the witch?

    If you don't answer, I will reveal you got soma.

    Love,
    Your Delta Benefactor

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    There is the hole of random no feedback drugging n1. The mafia would be better served by doing an incorrect role in the game.
    There's also the hole of the facts Carafelli is alive and all his pairings are correct. This still has not been clearly explained.
    The mafia should have taken out investigators days ago. A simple kidnapping + attacking the other kidnapped person does the trick. The consensus is that we have a kidnapper anyway.

    @Cafarelli, please attempt to be concise and clear with your reasoning then.
    i've responded to that. but what are you doing? ignoring my responses and bringing up the same shit again. what should i do know? repond again?
    they did drug deal me n1 and i don't know why and we just have to take it now as it is. maybe they did something else to me, who knows
    i've explained this multiple times actually:
    i had 3 correct pairings. one was guessed. one night the mafia didnt know i was invest. and the other night the dd was blocked probably. escorts should definitely block the same guys. escorts should also keep blocking phelps who is witch/blackmailer but better would be lynching him

    and i've also explained why i'm still alive:
    1) if there is no kidnapper:
    - i could be protected
    2) if there is a kidnapper:
    - they want to make us believe there are 2 busdrivers, see interview
    - they used it for better things (after all i'm fucking useless when drug dealed)
    3) no matter if kidnapper or not:
    - they think i might get lynched anyway (they ensured it by drugging me again and again)

    and i'm always concise. and if i'm not clear you lack reading skills (which you have actually proven multiple times)
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Phelps View Post
    @FM Cavarelli

    My night actions happened exactly like i mentioned earlier you can read it in the epilogue night action sheet. After the game. I got this

    N4 Someone tried to roleblock you last night, but you were immune.
    and
    N5 Someone tried to roleblock you last night, but you were immune.

    How the hell should i know why i got this 2 nights in a row? I can only assume that either

    a) Someone should get himself checked by a doctor in rl.
    b) Harry Potter
    c) Drugs
    d) I lie

    I hate lies. I don't lie.
    It's not like there are one millions of possibilities to this.

    Also your reasoning is not really efficient. You find me scummy great. If you can't back that up with proper reasoning i can't take you serious. Stop taking random dots and just connecting them with a line. That's not how you play Forum Mafia. No matter what your role is nor your alignment you are doing not a good job at it.
    or you're not immune.

    wow. my reasoning is not efficient? then explain why. i've posted multiple legit and clear reasons why you're scum. how about you start with giving us who you blocked? cause there is no reason to not. given you're a legit escort that person might even be the drug dealer.
    and i disagree with me not doing a good job. i've done all i could. ok i would be bad if i was mafia but certainly not as townie what i actually am. as townie it's not my job to make sure all my posts look innocent. and you're talking here. lurking without end and all. lmao. anyway nice attempt to discredit my reasoning

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Cafarelli seems to favor OMGUS defense and calls all his accusers scum themselves. Thats not really effective townness from what I see.
    Please use logic cafa. My only reason for voting you is because of your lying. If you can logically explain why you lied Im ok with unvoting.
    now that seems a bit more reasonable and pro town.
    i dont call them all scum. but it's actually logical that you and parker are good targets to recruit.
    i always use logic.
    which lying? the cohen thing? i've explained it. i knew he was scum (because he lied something a townie wouldnt lie) (might also be jester/ghost but according to his posts i figured that unlikely) and i got no feedback but i had to get something done. i couldn't just sit there and wait, watching the scum and not doing anything. i knew you wouldn't trust me without feedback, because you didnt lynch d2. since i had no feedback anyway that night i realized that's the perfect chance to claim i got feedback on cohen.
    but why did i reveal at all as invest? due to the lack of real lws and the risk of death. i figured it was very likely i'd die soon due to me being drug dealed d1. another reason was the lack of other legit leads at that point.
    why did i tell the truth now? becasue why not. cohen is dead so why conceal it. i cant see how it hurts the town (unless you lynch me for it ofc^^) and additionally you know that i was drug dealed n3. now the busdriver also knows i'm always drug dealed and might do something against it finally.

    if you now still have reasons for voting me, tell why. or if something's still not clear. i will answer


    also i apologize for not being so 'productive' right now. but you force me to focus on my own defense. i also apologize that i may be not so 'clear' during my rage.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Buchwalter View Post
    I have not been hiding it, just have not been about to really sit down and write before now. Sorry about that.

    I did indeed receive a dosage of Soma on night 3 with a message telling me to answer those questions, but at the same time it said to hide who I got it from so i wrote it a little like it was my own idea.

    The Soma I then sent on to Earle with a similar message, hoping to hear more of his thoughts and maybe get him to post something useful.

    Earle did not do anything on day 4, I was not around the last hours of the day cause of time issues. I did hint at Earle to come forth but he has not posted since. [#140]

    Soma message I sent to Earle:
    Spoiler : Soma Message :
    Hello fellow towny!

    I received soma last night by the mayor. I'm only a delta so I decided to pass it on to you! You seem pretty towny to me so I hope you can put it to good use. The mayor made a plan for me to send questions to you so that he could see where the soma is heading. So please answer these in day chat -

    - Who do you think is the most scummy?

    - Who do you think is mafia?

    - Who do you think is savage?

    - Who do you think is the witch?

    If you don't answer, I will reveal you got soma.

    Love,
    Your Delta Benefactor
    So this means that earle is the godfather.

    -vote Fm Earle


    He hasn't really done anything to not deserve to be lynched anyway.

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    Re: Day 5

    Responses in Bold

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli View Post
    i've responded to that. but what are you doing? ignoring my responses and bringing up the same shit again. what should i do know? repond again?
    they did drug deal me n1 and i don't know why and we just have to take it now as it is. maybe they did something else to me, who knows We should trust this illogical action isn't "scummy". WT*
    i've explained this multiple times actually:
    i had 3 correct pairings. one was guessed. one night the mafia didnt know i was invest. and the other night the dd was blocked probably. escorts should definitely block the same guys. escorts should also keep blocking phelps who is witch/blackmailer but better would be lynching him So you got two correct pairings on the nights you just happened not to be drug dealt and you happened to guess Cohen's pairing right. That's a lot of guessing.

    and i've also explained why i'm still alive:
    1) if there is no kidnapper:
    - i could be protected Protected how
    2) if there is a kidnapper:
    - they want to make us believe there are 2 busdrivers, see interview Why bother? Killing the invest makes is hard for the town to get any lead at all? There's no real distinction between a kidnapper/bus driver. The kidnapper can just claim bus driver.
    - they used it for better things (after all i'm fucking useless when drug dealed) They used the kidnapper for better things than killing the investigator... I find that hard to believe.
    3) no matter if kidnapper or not:
    - they think i might get lynched anyway (they ensured it by drugging me again and again)

    and i'm always concise. and if i'm not clear you lack reading skills (which you have actually proven multiple times)

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Phelps View Post
    witches can't even be blocked. read the setup please?
    Do you think the mafia might have made the same mistake? Therefore, they are withholding their witched information in order to make you look scummy. Witch is immune via OoO.

    @Kalou, I agree. I practically begged Buchwalter to reveal who he gave the soma to. It was only after I directly outed that he claimed he gave it to Earle.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Buchwalter View Post
    I have not been hiding it, just have not been about to really sit down and write before now. Sorry about that.

    I did indeed receive a dosage of Soma on night 3 with a message telling me to answer those questions, but at the same time it said to hide who I got it from so i wrote it a little like it was my own idea.

    The Soma I then sent on to Earle with a similar message, hoping to hear more of his thoughts and maybe get him to post something useful.

    Earle did not do anything on day 4, I was not around the last hours of the day cause of time issues. I did hint at Earle to come forth but he has not posted since. [#140]

    Soma message I sent to Earle:
    Spoiler : Soma Message :
    Hello fellow towny!

    I received soma last night by the mayor. I'm only a delta so I decided to pass it on to you! You seem pretty towny to me so I hope you can put it to good use. The mayor made a plan for me to send questions to you so that he could see where the soma is heading. So please answer these in day chat -

    - Who do you think is the most scummy?

    - Who do you think is mafia?

    - Who do you think is savage?

    - Who do you think is the witch?

    If you don't answer, I will reveal you got soma.

    Love,
    Your Delta Benefactor
    now that's interesting. why didnt you say this earlier. that confirms earle as gf. since i doubt the masons would give out their soma that's the only possibility because it's the only soma. and i think poisonder and interceptor are impossible
    i agree to leave phelps for now. escort can block again if he is really not immune. also the other escort (also if it's you phelps) should block the same than in n4, he could be the drug dealer
    -vote FM Earle

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Phelps View Post
    witches can't even be blocked. read the setup please?
    Witch
    You may choose a target at night and force them to perform their night action on a player of your choice. This action is able to redirect the passing of soma and the shooting of blacksmith guns.

    If you target a jailor or devourer, they will be forced to execute their target.
    If you target a bus driver, you will change the first player that they intend to swap to the target of your choice.
    where does it say they couldnt. just because witching is before blocking doesn't mean they're not affected by it. it just means that if the witch witches the escort away they wont be blocked i think
    clarify pls
    if you're right that still leaves bmer

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli View Post
    now that's interesting. why didnt you say this earlier. that confirms earle as gf. since i doubt the masons would give out their soma that's the only possibility because it's the only soma. and i think poisonder and interceptor are impossible
    i agree to leave phelps for now. escort can block again if he is really not immune. also the other escort (also if it's you phelps) should block the same than in n4, he could be the drug dealer
    -vote FM Earle




    where does it say they couldnt. just because witching is before blocking doesn't mean they're not affected by it. it just means that if the witch witches the escort away they wont be blocked i think
    clarify pls
    if you're right that still leaves bmer
    oohhh, buch could be non gf, and earle is a mafia. have we found a slip?

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    @Kalou, I agree. I practically begged Buchwalter to reveal who he gave the soma to. It was only after I directly outed that he claimed he gave it to Earle.
    Sadly now the town is even more split now then it was before, i do not see us getting anyone lynched at all now if this goes on.

    I agree that I should have said it sooner, but we already had a lead on Phelps and now Cafarelli.

    I was also hoping that Earle would say something, but instead he disappeared just as I started asking him about it.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli View Post
    now that's interesting. why didnt you say this earlier. that confirms earle as gf. since i doubt the masons would give out their soma that's the only possibility because it's the only soma. and i think poisonder and interceptor are impossible
    i agree to leave phelps for now. escort can block again if he is really not immune. also the other escort (also if it's you phelps) should block the same than in n4, he could be the drug dealer
    -vote FM Earle




    where does it say they couldnt. just because witching is before blocking doesn't mean they're not affected by it. it just means that if the witch witches the escort away they wont be blocked i think
    clarify pls
    if you're right that still leaves bmer
    Cafarelli, the hosts have been explicit in the OoO if an action taken later can affect the former. Ex: Framer affecting lookout. Therefore, witch cannot be affected by roleblocking.

    Also, I'm not convinced that Buchwalter is town but I cannot see why he would lie. I think that Earle is the GF.

    -vote FM Earle


    Don't think we're done Cafarelli.

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    Re: Day 5

    Feedback Claims:
    • Godfather / ???
      1. killed Ballard
      2. killed Bekowsky
    • Bus Driver / Kidnapper
      1. bussed Parker
      2. bussed Rose
    • Escort / Consort
      1. blocked Galletta
      2. blocked Phelps
    • Journalist / Corrupted Journalist
      1. interviewd unknown


    Notable Posts:
    • Buchwalter
      1. Claim Delta. [#270]
      2. Claim to have passed Soma to Earle.
    • Cafarelli
      1. Ragey post. [#39]
    • Phelps
      1. Claim Escort. [#101]


    Lynch Trains:
    • Cafarelli
      1. Possible consigliere or Savage. [#78]
    • Phelps
      1. Being "Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost". [D4 #528]


    Tally Archive:


    Table with all accounted night actions:
    Table on page 11

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    Cafarelli, the hosts have been explicit in the OoO if an action taken later can affect the former. Ex: Framer affecting lookout. Therefore, witch cannot be affected by roleblocking.

    Also, I'm not convinced that Buchwalter is town but I cannot see why he would lie. I think that Earle is the GF.

    -vote FM Earle


    Don't think we're done Cafarelli.
    thought you implied that buchs late claim meant he was lying.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Parker
    So you got two correct pairings on the nights you just happened not to be drug dealt and you happened to guess Cohen's pairing right. That's a lot of guessing.
    ?? i only guessed once. i don't get you

    Quote Originally Posted by Parker
    Protected how
    doctor, busdriver, bodyguard

    Quote Originally Posted by Parker
    Why bother? Killing the invest makes is hard for the town to get any lead at all? There's no real distinction between a kidnapper/bus driver. The kidnapper can just claim bus driver.
    ask them. maybe it's just for the protection of their kidnapper. but the interview pretty much prooves it that they are trying to accomplish this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parker
    They used the kidnapper for better things than killing the investigator... I find that hard to believe.
    me too but it's a possibility. you never know what's going on in their heads. in FM XVII for example, the purple mafia also had better uses for their witch than controlling the killer of the red mafia though they knew who it was. in the end he even killed one of the purple maf (they were allies i should add)

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Kalou View Post
    thought you implied that buchs late claim meant he was lying.
    No. I found it suspicious... not that he was lying. Lying gets him nothing but an extra day. We'd turn around and lynch him tomorrow. There is the insanely remote chance he's a disguiser but I doubt it. I think Buchwalter is suspicious and worthy of an investigation.

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    Do you think the mafia might have made the same mistake? Therefore, they are withholding their witched information in order to make you look scummy. Witch is immune via OoO.

    @Kalou, I agree. I practically begged Buchwalter to reveal who he gave the soma to. It was only after I directly outed that he claimed he gave it to Earle.
    If my notes don't lie no one claimed witched yesterday. Which implies she witched scum or the guy who died. Morgan the savaged claimed witched Day 3 remember? Which implies he wasn't culted before. A Savage surely would never claim it. This probably means that he was recruited N4.

    Nobody claimed witched today. So either one of the kills got witched or scum was witched (again)?

    I don't think that the witches were drugged. Wouldn't add up with all the feedback we have got. Well of course if nobody lies about it. The main problem...

    .

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Parker View Post
    Buchwalter, if you passed the soma to Earle, he used it. You should vote him. His usage of the soma means he's the Godfather. That's the only way in this setup we have two mafia kills.
    I'm still getting use to this, but yeah I see your point.

    I just always have a hard time believing that someone would lie.

    -vote FM Earle

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    Re: Day 5

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli View Post
    now that's interesting. why didnt you say this earlier. that confirms earle as gf. since i doubt the masons would give out their soma that's the only possibility because it's the only soma. and i think poisonder and interceptor are impossible
    i agree to leave phelps for now. escort can block again if he is really not immune. also the other escort (also if it's you phelps) should block the same than in n4, he could be the drug dealer
    -vote FM Earle




    where does it say they couldnt. just because witching is before blocking doesn't mean they're not affected by it. it just means that if the witch witches the escort away they wont be blocked i think
    clarify pls
    if you're right that still leaves bmer
    0. Soma is used
    1. Devourer jails
    2. Jailor jails
    3. Journalist / corrupt journalist approaches target for an interview
    4. Night groups get together to talk (including architect and mafia architect)
    5. People put on vests
    6. Veteran goes on alert
    7. Spree Killer traps target
    8. Interceptor traps target
    9. Witch manipulation
    10. Escort / Consort blocks

    -vote FM Earle


    This one seems like the first really solid lead we have over 5 days.

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