Day 5

[FM Rose]

-vote FM Earle

Nice fake vote.

[FM Phelps]

and i fail at voting for it. Jesus. It's time to go to bed! :P

-vote FM Earle

@FM Rose yeah yeah grammar Nazi... Totaly faking it. "rolleyes"

[FM Rose]

If earle turns out to be the godfather then i think we should go for phelps next.

[FM Cafarelli]

Cafarelli, the hosts have been explicit in the OoO if an action taken later can affect the former. Ex: Framer affecting lookout. Therefore, witch cannot be affected by roleblocking.

Also, I'm not convinced that Buchwalter is town but I cannot see why he would lie. I think that Earle is the GF.

-vote FM Earle

Don't think we're done Cafarelli.

where do you see this with the OoO

if you still want to mislynch me tomorrow if you can't today, fine.
if you're so convinced that i'm scum i will give you an additional lynch today on me. everybody can vote me additionally to the real lynch in this color
if you get more than 50% i will suicide this night. if i don't then lynch me
benefits of suiciding:
-you can lynch someone else today and tomorrow
cons:
-you lose your invest
-if you lynched me tomorrow you would at least get the information of tonight

but please keep in mind that suck a vote is seen like a real vote, that means after you all see i'm invest you will be suspected as you will when you vote me for the real lynch

Sadly now the town is even more split now then it was before, i do not see us getting anyone lynched at all now if this goes on.

I agree that I should have said it sooner, but we already had a lead on Phelps and now Cafarelli.

I was also hoping that Earle would say something, but instead he disappeared just as I started asking him about it.

well i would be a mislynch. phelps is not as confirmed as earle. so the legit lynch for today is earle. and i think we can get the votes easily

[FM Phelps]

Cheep, cheep, cheep.

[FM Rose]

Is cheep even a word?

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli, you missed my post about having second thoughts because of how quickly the GF turned on you. I'm not totally convinced your town but that is much more likely.

We should lynch Earle. I agree.

[FM Phelps]

No idea. Are you a zombie bird?

[FM Rose]

No idea. Are you a zombie bird?

I searched for rose in google and this is what i got.

[FM Cafarelli]

A little less than I wanted from you Cafarelli but its fine for now with the information we have.

-vote FM Earle

This lynch does two things for town -
confirms buchwalter as [role]
clears away a scummy looking active lurker from late game fos, assuming Earle is town.

if you want to know anything else, tell me

Cafarelli, you missed my post about having second thoughts because of how quickly the GF turned on you. I'm not totally convinced your town but that is much more likely.

We should lynch Earle. I agree.

just read it. you can also make conditional votes depending on what earle flips.
example: vote if earle is not mafia
though i'm pretty sure what he'll flip ;)

[FM Phelps]

You should have googled cheep instead. Then you would have found out that this word is legit. It's the singing of birds.

[FM Parker]

9. Witch manipulation
10. Escort / Consort blocks
11. Kidnapping
12. Bus Driving
13. Lookout moves to target / Detective follows target (can see 7-12)
14. Framing (can affect 13)

The above is copied from the OoO. The hosts are specific that framing can effect lookouts and detectives. They could have said that consorts/escorts affect witches but they didn't. Therefore, witches are immune from roleblock.


What are you talking about? Conditional voting. I'm pretty sure I can tell people what I'd do but I don't think I can vote Earle only if he's mafia according to the vote counter.

[FM Phelps]

if you want to know anything else, tell me

just read it. you can also make conditional votes depending on what earle flips.
example: vote if earle is not mafia
though i'm pretty sure what he'll flip ;)

Gooby please. Suicide is not part of the gameplay. If you want to stop playing FM 18 get yourself replaced or something.

[FM Parker]

Gooby please. Suicide is not part of the gameplay. If you want to stop playing FM 18 get yourself replaced or something.

Suicide is not recommended and a large indicator of Cafarelli's COM, much more so than his actual intent or verifiable proof.

[FM Kalou]

day 1 reads:

galloway is a town pr or scummy for trying to play a noob then calling it off, i think probable scum based on day 1 gut reactions

monroe started the mckelty bus, and uses reasons that other players might not necessarily know as bad to do: finding p.r.s

ackerman scum sheep for voting after cohens shpeel

caf is slightly suspicious for telling docs to heal cohen, might have known there is no poisoner

mendez strikes me as scum. not sure why

[FM Phelps]

Oh and before i go to bed...

List of Shame DAY 4:


FM Mason - not a single post with any value just trolls through the game.

Posts
7

FM Hopgood - somewhat active lurk scum.

Posts
7

FM Galletta - lurk scum

Posts
5

FM Green - who is this?

Posts
5

FM Leary - doesn't even have an Avatar.

Posts
4

FM Earle - Earle the gf candidate

Posts
4

FM Hogeboom - why are you in this game?

Posts
4

FM Carruthers - ^

Posts
4

FM Kalou - ^

Posts
0

FM Fontaine - ^

Posts
0



Nuff said. Don't sign up for FM's anymore.

Ignite.

[FM Parker]

day 1 reads:

galloway is a town pr or scummy for trying to play a noob then calling it off, i think probable scum based on day 1 gut reactions

monroe started the mckelty bus, and uses reasons that other players might not necessarily know as bad to do: finding p.r.s

ackerman scum sheep for voting after cohens shpeel

caf is slightly suspicious for telling docs to heal cohen, might have known there is no poisoner

mendez strikes me as scum. not sure why

Why are you going back to day 1? Are you a replacement?

[FM Parker]

Did Phelps just ignite as an arson? If so, what the? Was that another "joke"?

[FM Buchwalter]

Why are you going back to day 1? Are you a replacement?

He said he was yeah, if I remember right.

[FM Buchwalter]

Did Phelps just ignite as an arson? If so, what the? Was that another "joke"?

I was wondering the same thing, but if you ignore the "i" it looks like "gnight". So I think he just said "goodnight", make since with the start of the post too.

[FM Buchwalter]

Anyway, I think I will become a sheep and jump on Phelps' goodnight train.

As in, GOOD NIGHT ALL!

[FM Kalou]

Why are you going back to day 1? Are you a replacement?

sort of. i'm the original owner of this account, and was replaced, and forgiven. i've read a few random pages, not paying real close attention but now that im back in the game, i'll be posting reads on every day, to show host i wasn't going to be a lurker. and i really did fuck up my wrist.

[FM Galloway]

day 1 reads:

galloway is a town pr or scummy for trying to play a noob then calling it off, i think probable scum based on day 1 gut reactions

monroe started the mckelty bus, and uses reasons that other players might not necessarily know as bad to do: finding p.r.s

ackerman scum sheep for voting after cohens shpeel

caf is slightly suspicious for telling docs to heal cohen, might have known there is no poisoner

mendez strikes me as scum. not sure why

Not rain on your parade here but day one reads now are just about useless.
Its day 5. Keep up


Looking at your recent post nvm. Dont limit anything read everyone

[FM Kalou]

Not rain on your parade here but day one reads now are just about useless.
Its day 5. Keep up


Looking at your recent post nvm. Dont limit anything read everyone

in my previous FM experience, past day reads are equally reliable. i'm not doing notes unless things really stand out. im trying to get caught up. fucking colmyers spam LOL

[FM Leary]

-vote FM Earle

Meh I've been checking the site for the past 3 days and the one time i dont come on for like 20 hours day miraculously starts. Anyway, since i've been skimming through most of the posts for the day here are my thoughts:

Lynching earle, although he might be a jester/ghost jumping into action now.

Phelps seems trustworthy

The possibility of Caf being a Consig is rlly 50 50. I don't know why he'd give up a mafia friendly arsonist. Not being picked off by mafia is a whole other story though. Best gambit ever if Caf the consig openly accuses Phelps. Whoever gets lynched or killed of the 2 will immediately get the other 100% town status and be left alone by town :o The conspiracy theories are strong in this 1

Buchwalter's behavior is rlly not protown in the sense he doesn't contribute to active scumhunting. He just repeats information without putting in any insight at all. This is one of the 2 things scum do, stay silent and nod.

The other thing scum can do quite well in this game is, lurk. I find it intriguing how little attention the lurkers have received so far. Since i don't have the time to be as super active as Parker or Monroe for example, nobody ever considers me to be a possible threat.

Seeing how this not only applies to me, i'd say at least half the scum have post counts around mine. If there's actually someone with less posts i'd find that person to be even more suspicious.

Since i'm making myself look like a scummy person, i won't deny that possibility given my circumstances.


My course of action for the upcoming days: Follow the most likely accusations and find hardcore lurkers that need to at least say SOMETHING. I'm pretty sure the people who have subzero post counts without disclosing any real information are more than likely newbies to FM as scum.

[FM Leary]

where do you see this with the OoO

if you still want to mislynch me tomorrow if you can't today, fine.
if you're so convinced that i'm scum i will give you an additional lynch today on me. everybody can vote me additionally to the real lynch in this color
if you get more than 50% i will suicide this night. if i don't then lynch me
benefits of suiciding:
-you can lynch someone else today and tomorrow
cons:
-you lose your invest
-if you lynched me tomorrow you would at least get the information of tonight

but please keep in mind that suck a vote is seen like a real vote, that means after you all see i'm invest you will be suspected as you will when you vote me for the real lynch


well i would be a mislynch. phelps is not as confirmed as earle. so the legit lynch for today is earle. and i think we can get the votes easily

That phrase points rather towards you being hostile to town. Given your post style i think u'd defend yourself more aggresively if you were town. Tis but a mere speculation though.

[FM Cafarelli]

ok i promised i will tell you who wrote the interview imo.
i think it was FM dunn

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323608

[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Bus Driver
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Bus Driver

thinks there are 2 bds, just like the interviewee


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323609

I wonder if I should.... or shouldn't i?
Ackerman, should I or shouldn't i?

wonders if he should 'reveal' (fakeclaim)
talks about ackerman implying he did something to him and the interviewee claimed to have saved ackerman


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323611

No code. Just wondering if I do something, and Ackerman's opinion doesn't actually effect my decision much, other than the fact that I find just about no way for him to be Mafia.

interviewee also wrote ackerman cant be mafia

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323612

Can the Mafia attempt to kill a fellow Mafia?

question related to his role and his claim to have protected ackerman so he cant be scum

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323629

I lurked in the day, but was around enough to save 2 lives already.

claims protective that saved 2. interviewee also claimed to saved 2

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323641

I shall go think more, but you should consider what I say before I Becket you.

means he threatens to use him (galloway) as meetbag like the interviewee did with becket


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323679

But serious, im just going to go back to observing and doing my thing.

implies bus driving

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323689

Also, if you read my posts you would know my role, and why I said 'doing my thing'.

tells us he left hints


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323697

I'm soft claiming because the day is going to end with a hard claim by me

sure. in the interview ;)

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post324005

I'd hardly call it soft. And if you see no gain in claiming a role other than to avoid pressure I would say you are scum. Please explain how there is never a good use of claiming other than to avoid pressure. Maybe it isn't my real role, maybe I have already netted a gain for the town and it would help to clarify the roles list, maybe it is my real role and I want the Mafia to consider all these options to add to the confusion for them I already intend to cause before speaking.

explains softclaim.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323697

as well as a question to the Host to help support my obvious soft claim

tells us question backs up his softclaim


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323694

Litchman, please check my posts for my role, as I have made it pretty clear already. Then if you can, figure out why I am rejoiced to say I got Morgan right.

again tells us he left hints. hints about killing morgan



i can't think of any reason why a real bd would claim so obviously. also i don't think 2 bd's is likely. he got monroe wrong n1 and n3 ackerman claimed bussed, which is according to dunn not possible, unless someone else lied. conveniently he claimed to have bussed dead targets twice. for me it seems unlikely to do such good night actions; he targeted the mafia target + a scum twice. reasons for bussing suck aswell. his sudden absence makes me suspect him even more, seems like he wanted to leave his roleclaim to avoid suspicion and then proceed to lurking again.
recommendation: definitely scum, lynch tomorrow and earle today

[FM Galloway]

Personally I think you are stretching things to make Dunn scummy but there are some legit points there i see. However why are you so readily backing off Phelps when you tried pushing onto him before Earle appeared?

[FM Cafarelli]

The above is copied from the OoO. The hosts are specific that framing can effect lookouts and detectives. They could have said that consorts/escorts affect witches but they didn't. Therefore, witches are immune from roleblock.


What are you talking about? Conditional voting. I'm pretty sure I can tell people what I'd do but I don't think I can vote Earle only if he's mafia according to the vote counter.

i mean you can say you only put your (suicide, additional) vote on me if earle isnt mafia. because you not suspecting me anymore seems to be based on that. (needless to say he'll flip gf anyway)
no ofc you cant make conditional voting on the vote counter^^

Gooby please. Suicide is not part of the gameplay. If you want to stop playing FM 18 get yourself replaced or something.

ofc suiciding is part of the game. sometimes it's necessary and benefits the town. in my case it would benefit the town if you will lynch me otherwise. that's why i do the votes, if i get more than 50% that means i'll be lynched anyway and better suicide.
no i don't want to stop playing, but even more than playing i want to win. so if it's necessary to suicide for the win i'd do it ie i'd have to stop playing

Suicide is not recommended and a large indicator of Cafarelli's COM, much more so than his actual intent or verifiable proof.

i don't think that indicates my COM. other things surely do however^^ what do you mean by 'actual intent or verifiable proof'

[FM Cafarelli]

Personally I think you are stretching things to make Dunn scummy but there are some legit points there i see. However why are you so readily backing off Phelps when you tried pushing onto him before Earle appeared?

because
1) you all seem to trust phelps for some unknown reason
2) even i am more sure about earle

[FM Cafarelli]

because
1) you all seem to trust phelps for some unknown reason
2) even i am more sure about earle

i should add to 1):
which means i cannot get him lynched so why bother

[FM Kalou]

ok i promised i will tell you who wrote the interview imo.
i think it was FM dunn

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323608

thinks there are 2 bds, just like the interviewee


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323609

wonders if he should 'reveal' (fakeclaim)
talks about ackerman implying he did something to him and the interviewee claimed to have saved ackerman


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323611

interviewee also wrote ackerman cant be mafia

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323612

question related to his role and his claim to have protected ackerman so he cant be scum

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323629

claims protective that saved 2. interviewee also claimed to saved 2

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323641

means he threatens to use him (galloway) as meetbag like the interviewee did with becket


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323679

implies bus driving

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323689

tells us he left hints


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323697

sure. in the interview ;)

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post324005

explains softclaim.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323697

tells us question backs up his softclaim


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post323694

again tells us he left hints. hints about killing morgan



i can't think of any reason why a real bd would claim so obviously. also i don't think 2 bd's is likely. he got monroe wrong n1 and n3 ackerman claimed bussed, which is according to dunn not possible, unless someone else lied. conveniently he claimed to have bussed dead targets twice. for me it seems unlikely to do such good night actions; he targeted the mafia target + a scum twice. reasons for bussing suck aswell. his sudden absence makes me suspect him even more, seems like he wanted to leave his roleclaim to avoid suspicion and then proceed to lurking again.
recommendation: definitely scum, lynch tomorrow and earle today

so u think dunn is the kidnapper, or ackerman?

[FM Cafarelli]

dunn is nor bd nor kidnapper, he was wrong about the bussing.
ackerman? i didn't say something about him, just that dunn claimed to have saved him

[FM Cafarelli]

so guys gotta sleep now bye

[FM Parker]

I'm taking my cue to leave for a bit as well.

Earle is the gf y'all if you skipped to the end.

[FM Kalou]

-vote FM Earle

SO GUYS. if i die sometime soon, remember that buch is scum. heres how i see it:

mayor? (not sure how this double thing works...) or someone good gave buch the soma. buch is a mafia and gives it to his gf(possibly) or is throwing earle under the bus as he's been found out for helping the mafia, and might as well take someone down with him.

i think its scenario #2 guys. earle, from the little i've read on him, seems like a trolly citizen.

[FM Parker]

Kalou, I thought it was possible but it's not a worthwhile play for mafia to give up a citizen here. Then, Buch would get lynched. It's only worth it if he's a disguiser. The fact Buch handed over the GF means nothing. Buch should have handled Earle over sooner, that's suspicious.

[FM Ackerman]

I could go earle today, Dunn tommorow, and Carafelli the day after.

-vote FM Earle

[FM Ackerman]

Also can I request a third bussing, I'm pretty sure mafia would want to kill me now. I think I was a little too blatant today.

[FM Kalou]

its worth it either way to sell someone out. and a town PR could cc him and might be unlynchable, making the cit play better.

[FM Monroe]

I just finished writing a huge claim/conspiracy theory post. This new information on Earle and Dunn are things I haven't had the time to consider, though it does look like reliable intel.

Most of the people I had pegged as mafia are on Earle's train. I do still worry that I will be killed tonight and a lot of information will be lost if I don't. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about this then the mafia probably has much better targets to kill after I post it.

Should I claim or shouldn't I? And yes I'm a power role. I already told you I wasn't citizen, doctor, mayor or mason clubber.

[FM Ackerman]

I just finished writing a huge claim/conspiracy theory post. This new information on Earle and Dunn are things I haven't had the time to consider, though it does look like reliable intel.

Most of the people I had pegged as mafia are on Earle's train. I do still worry that I will be killed tonight and a lot of information will be lost if I don't. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about this then the mafia probably has much better targets to kill after I post it.

Should I claim or shouldn't I? And yes I'm a power role. I already told you I wasn't citizen, doctor, mayor or mason clubber.

If you are escort or journalist you should claim otherwise STFU.

[FM Parker]

I just finished writing a huge claim/conspiracy theory post. This new information on Earle and Dunn are things I haven't had the time to consider, though it does look like reliable intel.

Most of the people I had pegged as mafia are on Earle's train. I do still worry that I will be killed tonight and a lot of information will be lost if I don't. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about this then the mafia probably has much better targets to kill after I post it.

Should I claim or shouldn't I? And yes I'm a power role. I already told you I wasn't citizen, doctor, mayor or mason clubber.

Only if you can confirm scum should you claim. Otherwise, just be soft about it.

[FM Parker]

Be back later. I need to run some errands. This time I'm really leaving lol.

[FM Black]

Ummmmm.... WHEN did butch send Earle the soma? If the soma was sent on N5, then Earle couldn't have possibly used it yet...

[FM Parker]

@Black, no...

Someone passed Buch the soma on n3.
Buch passes n4.
Earle used it night 5.

Gone this time lol. Forgot my keys.

[FM Monroe]

Another advantage of my claim is that it could protect other people because of FoS.

[FM Black]

@Parker, Oh Yes...

I've been read through the posts and did not a see a date and was very confused why everyone jumped onto Earle so quickly.

-vote FM Earle

[Forum Mafia GM]

where does it say they couldnt. just because witching is before blocking doesn't mean they're not affected by it. it just means that if the witch witches the escort away they wont be blocked i think
clarify pls
if you're right that still leaves bmer

Edit 1.23 Edit to the order of operations to resolve witch/roleblock/bus driving confusion. Witches are not affected by role blocks or bus drives, and role blocks are not affected by bus drives. In the event of multiple kidnappers or multiple bus drivers, the action that was received first will occur first (within OoO #11 or OoO #12) while processing night actions.

^That should clarify any questions.

[FM Leary]

I just finished writing a huge claim/conspiracy theory post. This new information on Earle and Dunn are things I haven't had the time to consider, though it does look like reliable intel.

Most of the people I had pegged as mafia are on Earle's train. I do still worry that I will be killed tonight and a lot of information will be lost if I don't. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about this then the mafia probably has much better targets to kill after I post it.

Should I claim or shouldn't I? And yes I'm a power role. I already told you I wasn't citizen, doctor, mayor or mason clubber.

Dear lord be a veteran