Day 5

[FM Mason]

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

I'm so proud of you. Let's kill these liars dead.

[FM Mendez]

I'm going to be posting in Gold because it was impossible to respond with just quoting your post. I tried my best to edit out the useless "ok's and omgs" and respond only to the content. If there is something you want me to clarify or answer that I edited out, let me know.

To answer some things. There are 2 Bus Drivers. I am one. I deduce that there is another based on Colmyr’s being swapped into what appears to be a Blackmail sent to someone else. This could have been some elaborate scheme to cause a suicide but that seems Farfetch’d.

Oh gee, now I believe that all of the bus drive feedback comes from 2 bus drivers! The true BD shouldn't trust the claim from the interviewee if they're forced into a claim. Absolutely.
I do not think we have two bus drivers. The bussing of Colmyr to me proves that the interviewee is not the bus driver.

On the first night I swapped Mason and Monroe
- Because Yolo

I did not get bus driven. This is a lie.
I do not see why an interviewee would need to lie about this. We were missing a bus claim from day 1, I don't see how this is a lie.

On the third night I swapped Becket and Kalou
- Kalou was full lurker, but gained town points for me by not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2
- Becket was evidently using empty posts to appear relevant

Conveniently drove a target that died and conveniently caused the death of scum. Kalou absolutely deserved town points for not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...297#post320297

-vote FM Monroe

A good pressure vote will help us gather information on a person that would troll reveal as a Mayor.

This reasoning therefore makes perfect sense.

Oops.
As you pointed out with your own flair, this reasoning is bad. The bussing of these two seems like a BD, since mafia would not want to kill a corrupt journalist.

On night 4 I swapped Ackerman and Morgan
- Morgan looked scummy to me since the early game
- Ackerman had garnered some accusation and I anticipated the Mafia might kill him to cause confusion.

Another scum killed thanks to the bus driver! Go you! This is getting more and more likely.
Twice in a row makes me think Journalist should reveal their target. This is scummy.

Now come the reads, most of which show absolutely solid reasoning.

FM Ackerman – 100% chance of not being Mafia

This could not be used to buy a mafia member some trust for the time being at all. Or create the illusion that the mafia wants the town to trust him... Undecided on this one.
It fits with the poor logic that Mafia attempted to attack him. I am not going to trust him over this article though

FM Ballard – not certain what I think of him after his turn on Parker

Conveniently killed by the mafia the next day.
Are you implying Parker is a suspect? I think its safe to say Parker is not a savage.

FM Donnelly – seems scummy

Well I suppose he does.
I can agree with this

FM Earle – I know who this person is, im pretty sure. Clearly town.

Is that so?
Not sure how someone could guess Earles com with how he is posting. Can't say he is clearly town

FM Kalou – 100% chance of not being Mafia

Same as Ackerman. Include fishy bit about bus driving.
Fits with poor bus driver logic thinking he saved these people. I don't buy it.

FM Mendez – no read

No read on one of the most active contributors? Hello interviewee.
Thanks. But I did not write this interview. I am curious who did and why they have no read on me.

FM Monroe – likely savage

Of course. Make me look like scum some more. Loving it.
It could be possible. Bias since I've had fos on you since day 2.

FM Phelps – town?

Yep, throw in some anonymous support for Phelps. Handy if he is indeed consort or blackmailer.
If Phelps is truly blackmail/consort then Journalist can reveal who wrote this and give us second scum.

Conclusion:
False reasons for bus driving. Convenient swaps with dead people. What if Cafarelli is consigliere and got swapped on night 3 to ensure any investigative roles would leave her alone after that and this article is supposed to cover for here? Ever think about that?

Also a complete lack of reasons for the reads posted on each individual, which makes them pretty much useless unless you're just trying to manipulate popular opinion to call people suspicious or try to clear people from suspicion because it somehow benefits you.
The reasons for bus driving seems suspect. The swaps with dead people as well. The kill on Becket does not seem the work of a Kidnapper, as I explained earlier. I agree the reads are bad and I am offended you would think I wrote this.

[FM Ackerman]

I'm so proud of you. Let's kill these liars dead.

The liar is the article writer, without the journalist we can't know who to lynch.

[FM Buchwalter]

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

Please include my n3 claim from this post it's highly important.

That makes it 5 bussed claims on day 3, what does that mean?

[FM Ackerman]

@Cafarelli, please provide a summary of all your feedback INCLUDING what you have not yet revealed to us, thank you!

[FM Mendez]

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

I did, view it as you may.



Let me summarize this article is BS, see above.



Please include my n3 claim from this post it's highly important.

So Morgan and Ackerman both say the article is a lie.
Ackerman the article says you were bussed n4 though. Are you saying you were not bussed on n4?

I'm trying to think of a reason why someone would lie over the article. Also they used only targets that claimed bussed or were killed. Except for Morgan n1 and Ackerman n3.

[FM Ackerman]

That makes it 5 bussed claims on day 3, what does that mean?

It means the article writer was guessing, hes savage or witch.

[FM Ackerman]

So Morgan and Ackerman both say the article is a lie.
Ackerman the article says you were bussed n4 though. Are you saying you were not bussed on n4?

I'm trying to think of a reason why someone would lie over the article. Also they used only targets that claimed bussed or were killed. Except for Morgan n1 and Ackerman n3.

I was bussed n4, but I made that claim publicly.

[FM Ackerman]

@Coroner, (if one exists) I have left a last will including my n1 feedback. Please look it up and use it to catch scum as described, thanks!

[FM Mendez]

I was bussed n4, but I made that claim publicly.

Okay then it wasn't a lie.

The article only stated bussed for people that died or claimed bussed. You claimed bus n4. The only part that is being disputed is Monroe being bussed on n1.

[FM Monroe]

It means the article writer was guessing, hes savage or witch.

What about mafia kidnapper who thinks you are an ally for not claiming feedback, and is using the article to protect you and to get your support in the future?

Thanks. But I did not write this interview. I am curious who did and why they have no read on me.

From the posts you've made during the day, a fair few of those reads do seem to match your opinions on people. Excuse me for finding you suspicious! I will NEVER do it again!

[FM Monroe]

Okay then it wasn't a lie.

The article only stated bussed for people that died or claimed bussed. You claimed bus n4. The only part that is being disputed is Monroe being bussed on n1.

Nope. He is disputing the part where the article states that a 5th person (Becket) was bus driven night 3.
BD night 3: Ballard (1), Colmyer (2), Kalou (3), Ackerman (4), Becket (5??)

This makes the article a lie, just like I suspected.

Or drugs. Which makes Cafarelli a liar, because she also claims drugged night 3.

[FM Ackerman]

Okay then it wasn't a lie.

The article only stated bussed for people that died or claimed bussed. You claimed bus n4. The only part that is being disputed is Monroe being bussed on n1.

No, because with my claim there are 5 bussings d3.

[FM Ackerman]

What about mafia kidnapper who thinks you are an ally for not claiming feedback, and is using the article to protect you and to get your support in the future?


From the posts you've made during the day, a fair few of those reads do seem to match your opinions on people. Excuse me for finding you suspicious! I will NEVER do it again!

Could be the case, but still makes him scum.

[FM Mendez]

It means the article writer was guessing, hes savage or witch.

On the first night I swapped Mason and Monroe
- Because Yolo

On the second night I swapped Dunn and Lichtman.
- Dunn did not look likely to be attacked.
- Lichtman looked possibly blackmailed.

On the third night I swapped Becket and Kalou
- Kalou was full lurker, but gained town points for me by not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2
- Becket was evidently using empty posts to appear relevant

On night 4 I swapped Ackerman and Morgan
- Morgan looked scummy to me since the early game
- Ackerman had garnered some accusation and I anticipated the Mafia might kill him to cause confusion.

Third night article writer said Becket and Kalou. Where did he lie about you being bussed on n3? I see 5 bus claims including yours for n3, which means that either someone lied about being bussed or the DD sent a fake bus feedback.

[FM Monroe]

Third night article writer said Becket and Kalou. Where did he lie about you being bussed on n3? I see 5 bus claims including yours for n3, which means that either someone lied about being bussed or the DD sent a fake bus feedback.

OR the article is a lie. Do I need to hold ur hand?

[FM Ackerman]

Nope. He is disputing the part where the article states that a 5th person (Becket) was bus driven night 3.
BD night 3: Ballard (1), Colmyer (2), Kalou (3), Ackerman (4), Becket (5??)

This makes the article a lie, just like I suspected.

Or drugs. Which makes Cafarelli a liar, because she also claims drugged night 3.

Link to post for this please, I didn't see anywhre that Cafarelli claimed drugged, except n1.

[FM Mendez]

What about mafia kidnapper who thinks you are an ally for not claiming feedback, and is using the article to protect you and to get your support in the future?


From the posts you've made during the day, a fair few of those reads do seem to match your opinions on people. Excuse me for finding you suspicious! I will NEVER do it again!

lol I don't mind you finding me suspicious, I do share some of those reads. I find you suspicious myself.

The article could very well be a lie but trying to find a motive behind this lie is what's bothering me. Also kudos for using same wording I used on you the other day. I love holding hands.


@Ackerman - Cafarelli claimed today that he was feedback blocked night 3 and guessed at Cohens role.

[FM Mendez]

ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit

the post

[FM Monroe]

She hasn't said it directly but it's implied. Here you go:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post325606

5 night, 3 times drugged, 2 real pairings. rose and phelps i checked. so i was accurate only once without a check. that was on cohen. i thought he was a drug dealer actually and took this pairing because with that pairing i figured the most chances to get him lynched. i knew he was scum. that he was actually in the pairing but arso was pure luck. but if i was another scum role i would just have told you that i lied.

In the first post she was ranting about being drugged "last night," but "last night" she was not. What she probably meant to say was that the roleblockers should've blocked the same targets again because she wasn't drugged night 4, but she was the night 3 when she claimed false feedback on Cohen.

[FM Mendez]

disclaimer: this is a RAGE post!

I have SINCERE doubt in the brain of anyone who STILL doubts that i'm a FUCKING INVEST. IQ must be less than 70 guys which means you are LITERALLY retarded...
LMFAO savage invest just DIED and masons had 3 FUCKING NIGHTS
obviously you cannot make ANY logical conclusions. you shouldn't have signed up imo

and then some RETARDED FUCKTARD calling himself probably 'mayor' passes soma to the FUCKING MAFIA instead of the CONFIRMED invest, how FUCKING RETARDED IS THIS i could have invested MUCH MORE PPL, how to use soma fuckign better?? that 'mayor' must have turned against town


that conclusion is just made without ANY brain, logic, thinking, ...
do you really think the savages have TWO INVESTIGATORS??? do you think they converted the town's invest instead of converting a FUCKING CITIZEN AS INVEST??? this is RIDICULOUS, NEXT (replacement) pls!



i did NOT WITHHELD INFORMATION. also you're (once again) talking COMPLETE BULLSHIT, withholding information is often essential!


tonight i was FUCKING DRUGDEALED AGAIN
what is this SHIT
what the FUCK is the busdriver(s) doing?? I fucking said MULTIPLE(!!) TIMES i would need one. but NOO. the busdriver(s) rather goes MAD and ANNOUNCES who he drives, rofl
THIS is your fault busdriver, you are a fucking hero: last night i was drugged AGAIN!!!!!!! i was not drugged last night so i think the drug dealer was roleblocked. i said block same, but noo what are escorts doing of course...
i might aswell commit suicide, with all the drugs i will get an overdose soon anyway... unnecessary to say that you all piss me off, i cant even collect information and the doubt in me is RIDICULOUS as fuck. the mafia made me their FUCKING BITCH and i DONT WANT TO BE THEIR BITCH, it's a fate worse than death. they could kill me anytime but decided this would be better.
but town and especially busdrivers, if you do not need my results then what am i doing here. you even know how it feels to make up and see YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY INFORMATION, NOT EVEN A FUCKING MAIL

bye i need to calm down, this is all information you'll get for today:

-vote FM Phelps

witch, bm, consort.

ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit

Actually the entire post would be better since you missed it.

[FM Ackerman]

She hasn't said it directly but it's implied. Here you go:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post325606


In the first post she was ranting about being drugged "last night," but "last night" she was not. What she probably meant to say was that the roleblockers should've blocked the same targets again because she wasn't drugged night 4, but she was the night 3 when she claimed false feedback on Cohen.

That post is a claim from drugged n1,n4,n5. She gave her feedback for n3 in her first post of d3.

[FM Monroe]

That post is a claim from drugged n1,n4,n5. She gave her feedback for n3 in her first post of d3.

No.

She is claiming that she didn't get real feedback on Cohen, but that the pairing from Phelps was legitimately gathered through investigation, which would be night 4.

Do I need to hold ur hand 2? We should all hold hands!

[FM Kalou]

replacement here. i've been reading parts of days, but i'll need to do a thorough read. if you have questions for me as i'm reading, just put it in another color, not green. i'll check posts after this every 5 minutes or so.

i SORT of know whats going on.

[FM Ackerman]

That post is a claim from drugged n1,n4,n5. She gave her feedback for n3 in her first post of d3.

My apologies I misread that post first time through. I didn't realize she declared her lead was BS for d3.

[FM Galloway]

Cafarelli claimed that he was not interviewed in the Investigator interview a few days ago. That would have suggested that we would have two Investigators that were handy to us and with the drops we have so far thats quickly becoming no reality. Phelps is reacting the exact same way as a legit Escort so far and that earns him some town cred. His feedbacks were promptly given and his feedbacks were spot on thus far. On the flip side Cafarelli told us he lied about Cohen and somehow got it right through pure guessing? Fat chance. The reality is much more likely that he is a Savage/Consig, with Savage more likely, and Ballard was our Town Investigative before the Savages got to him. Drug Dealer is in the game and by all logic would target Cafarelli every chance he got. With the bus Driver seemingly leaving cafarelli alone it looks really suspicious that he claims to have been drugged all of a sudden just after the Savage Investigator dies. His posts turned my way and raged without end to get people to listen to him? No chance being legit here.
It's simple.
Liars are scum and Cafarelli lied.

-vote FM Cafarelli

[FM Ackerman]

-vote FM Cafarelli

[FM Monroe]

replacement here. i've been reading parts of days, but i'll need to do a thorough read. if you have questions for me as i'm reading, just put it in another color, not green. i'll check posts after this every 5 minutes or so.

i SORT of know whats going on.

Give your read on Cafarelli and the journalist article that was posted at the end of yesterday.

[FM Monroe]

I don't get it why you tunneling me so hard. Yesterday near the end of the day you weren't sure if i am scum but revealed the pairing anway. Why? to expose me to mafia or the witch? Do you think it's pro town to out an Escort? I gave you ALLMOST all my night actions to look over them. Please feel free to go back to day 1 - 4 and LOOK for yourself if i didn't call the people out which i blocked!
If you still have questions after doing that feel free to ask me.

Do you really think i made them all up over 4 days? Really? Holy shit SCUM MVP right here!!111 Derp.

I will reveal the N4 block if you guys want to later in the game when the person had enough time to claim it himself.

Just for the record. I didn't misslynch 2 Deltas.

Could you post links to the posts where you FoS'd the people you blocked? I don't remember seeing them when I searched your posts for English spelling and it would be handy to have as reference for everyone else, regardless.

[FM Galloway]

OH YEAH!

Hey Parker, I am need some insight from you on -

Monroe's hesitance
Cafarelli's connection to Ballard
Ryan's replacement behavior
Earle's sudden contributions.

[FM Mendez]

No.

She is claiming that she didn't get real feedback on Cohen, but that the pairing from Phelps was legitimately gathered through investigation, which would be night 4.

Do I need to hold ur hand 2? We should all hold hands!

I'm starting to think that the article writer is an epsilon. Ghost or Jester. All the information is easily claimable except for the n1 bus with monroe and the n3 5 bussings. Both of these nights were missing a bussing. N1 is still missing a bus claim since monroe claims not to be bussed.

[FM Monroe]

Cafarelli claimed that he was not interviewed in the Investigator interview a few days ago. That would have suggested that we would have two Investigators that were handy to us and with the drops we have so far thats quickly becoming no reality. Phelps is reacting the exact same way as a legit Escort so far and that earns him some town cred. His feedbacks were promptly given and his feedbacks were spot on thus far. On the flip side Cafarelli told us he lied about Cohen and somehow got it right through pure guessing? Fat chance. The reality is much more likely that he is a Savage/Consig, with Savage more likely, and Ballard was our Town Investigative before the Savages got to him. Drug Dealer is in the game and by all logic would target Cafarelli every chance he got. With the bus Driver seemingly leaving cafarelli alone it looks really suspicious that he claims to have been drugged all of a sudden just after the Savage Investigator dies. His posts turned my way and raged without end to get people to listen to him? No chance being legit here.
It's simple.
Liars are scum and Cafarelli lied.

-vote FM Cafarelli

SCUMMEH POST?

I may explain later why I think so.

OR I MAY NOT.

[FM Monroe]

I'm starting to think that the article writer is an epsilon. Ghost or Jester. All the information is easily claimable except for the n1 bus with monroe and the n3 5 bussings. Both of these nights were missing a bussing. N1 is still missing a bus claim since monroe claims not to be bussed.

Night 4 was also missing bussing. And they also claimed a bus drive on a dead target.

[FM Ackerman]

Night 4 was also missing bussing. And they also claimed a bus drive on a dead target.

Easily explained if savages went to kill me.

[FM Monroe]

OH YEAH!

Hey Parker, I am need some insight from you on -

Monroe's hesitance

What hesitance?

I don't know what you are talking about!

[FM Galloway]

SCUMMEH POST?

I may explain later why I think so.

OR I MAY NOT.

Hidding things is a bad idea if your town Monroe.

[FM Ackerman]

Easily explained if savages went to recruit me.

Correction, savages would have had to try to recruit to realize who I was bussed with or he would have been marked killed twice?

P.S. @Savage Godfather, If you do recruit me don't use recruit as, thanks!

[FM Mendez]

I will be back on in a few hours. Got a girl to attend to. Possibly more than a few hours if things go well

[FM Carruthers]

After seeing the lists, I'd like to make a comparing Phelps' "Escort target" list to identify the Escort / Consort.

We can tell who were targeted by the consort that way.

When we see the pattern of who were targeted and who were not targeted, we may deduce who the Consort may be while scaling down the number of suspects.

I am Escort.

N1 random blocked Colmyr

N2 blocked FM Chapman

N3 blocked FM Kelso

N4 blocked ????

N5 blocked FM Galletta

Based on Buch, the list of possible Consort roleblocks are :
Night 1
Galletta

Night 2
Bekowsky
Buchwalter

Night 3
Black

Night 4
Donnelly

[FM Monroe]

Easily explained if savages went to kill me.

If my assumption that the purpose of the article regarding you was either:

- Make you look like confirmed town because they think you're an ally for not claiming feedback
- Make us want to think they did the above, so attention falls on you rather than them after a while of being "confirmed town"

Then you aren't someone they would want to kill. Temporary ally, possible scapegoat for later. Even though Morgan did seem a little scummy, so did you at the start of the game. And Morgan made more redeeming posts than you did before night 4. So in my mind it's more likely that the kill on Morgan was intended. As he was already mostly confirmed to be non-mafia for being blackmailed/drugged.

[FM Ackerman]

If my assumption that the purpose of the article regarding you was either:

- Make you look like confirmed town because they think you're an ally for not claiming feedback
- Make us want to think they did the above, so attention falls on you rather than them after a while of being "confirmed town"

Then you aren't someone they would want to kill. Temporary ally, possible scapegoat for later. Even though Morgan did seem a little scummy, so did you at the start of the game. And Morgan made more redeeming posts than you did before night 4. So in my mind it's more likely that the kill on Morgan was intended. As he was already mostly confirmed to be non-mafia for being blackmailed/drugged.

I had been the only one to know what role Ballard played, they knew I knew, you guys just didn't trust me. Although i agree I originally though he was Consig, not Savage investigator.

[FM Ackerman]

Just reread the interviews from n2. We need to know who was targeted by the article writer. If it was anyone but the current escort we can confirm that one of the two is scum.

[FM Hopgood]

Post #144
I noticed 3 people were roleblocked night 1 and 2, but only 2 people were roleblocked each night after the first two nights.

[FM Hopgood]

After seeing the lists, I'd like to make a comparing Phelps' "Escort target" list to identify the Escort / Consort.

We can tell who were targeted by the consort that way.

When we see the pattern of who were targeted and who were not targeted, we may deduce who the Consort may be while scaling down the number of suspects.



Based on Buch, the list of possible Consort roleblocks are :
Night 1
Galletta

Night 2
Bekowsky
Buchwalter

Night 3
Black

Night 4
Donnelly

I was roleblocked night1

[FM Monroe]

I had been the only one to know what role Ballard played, they knew I knew, you guys just didn't trust me. Although i agree I originally though he was Consig, not Savage investigator.

Yeah the mafia would of course know what role Ballard played, because he wasn't mafia. So they would shoot you for knowing that too!

[FM Hopgood]

Do you think an escort got converted night 2?

[FM Monroe]

Just reread the interviews from n2. We need to know who was targeted by the article writer. If it was anyone but the current escort we can confirm that one of the two is scum.

Great plan! Find those PRs!

Because there can only be one escort!

[FM Monroe]

Do you think an escort got converted night 2?

Yes. They aren't immune or anything.

[FM Ackerman]

Yeah the mafia would of course know what role Ballard played, because he wasn't mafia. So they would shoot you for knowing that too!

Mafia killed a savage that night, He was most likely a power role turned savage, and mafia bussed the kill to make sure he wasn't healed, I certainly wasn't going to have the doc on me that was 100%.

[FM Ackerman]

Is the savage limit of 6 based on living savages, or period?