S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Purple Forest]

Congratulations Purple you have a level 8 wound

Deforestation is a serious environmental problem. Go touch grass and repent for your sins.

[FM-Fast Fish]

I'm out.

-vote fm-mountain tops

[FM-Purple Forest]

so
What changed your mind on me from yesterday

I believe its +EV to not hero shoot.

[FM-Wine Mom]

-vote FM-Mountain Tops

[FM-Wine Mom]

Who made the Aliens/Jiraffe/Mountain hood?

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I believe its +EV to not hero shoot.

hm
And your thoughts on Lady vs me? Since both of those weren't hero shots as far as I can tell

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Who made the Aliens/Jiraffe/Mountain hood?

Aliens did

[FM-Wine Mom]

Current Vc:

FM-Happy Drunk (1): FM-Purple Forest

FM-White Square (1): FM-Smug Viking

FM-Dirty Harry (3): FM-Angry Clown, FM-Wine Mom, FM-Great Speech

FM-Jiraffe (3): FM-Lady of the Lake, FM-Snippy, FM-Dirty Harry

FM-Angry Clown (2): FM-Fast Fish, FM-Lolcat

FM-Bosun (1):FM-Mountain Tops

FM-Incognito (3): FM-Snail Streamer, FM-Ryast, FM-Wasteland

FM-Lady of the Lake (1): FM-Jiraffe

FM-Pink Slip (1): FM-Aliens Are Real+2= 3

FM-Mountain Tops (1): FM-Lovely Bug

FM-Wasteland (1): FM-Pink Slip

FM-Fast Fish (1): FM-Gay Cat Rock

FM-Smug Viking (1): FM-Happy Drunk

I forgot that Wasteland voted Incognito

Hm

[FM-Wine Mom]

@FM-Purple Forest Is Clown scum in your opinion

[FM-Fast Fish]

trying to literally cheat the hosts is just plain rude to the players and to the hosts. if you're gonna be acting like this you should leave thread and clear your head. literally trying to cheat for an advantage in a mafia game

You did it, you figured out how to actually make me mad in a game of mafia.

[FM-Purple Forest]

hm
And your thoughts on Lady vs me? Since both of those weren't hero shots as far as I can tell

I dont think the two of you are paired but rereading EoD1 had me pause. I regret shooting you.

@FM-Purple Forest Is Clown scum in your opinion

No clue. Can be, I just don't know and I resent my inability to determine that.

[FM-Wine Mom]

I dont think the two of you are paired but rereading EoD1 had me pause. I regret shooting you.


No clue. Can be, I just don't know and I resent my inability to determine that.

His Dirty Harry push from earlier today stood out to me because...I don't know like, why are you talking about Dirty Harry right now. There are other things to resolve in the thread first and I don't think he's given any actual opinions on Mountain/myself/Lady

[FM-Wine Mom]

You did it, you figured out how to actually make me mad in a game of mafia.

I've calmed down now (humbled by Gat Cat flip), we can take turns being mad.

[FM-Fast Fish]

I think if the hosts thought the extra ITA attempt was in bad faith they would've punished the fish in some way. Beyond that there isn't any point in speculation.

We literally just talked about roles that can energize and buff.

[FM-Wine Mom]

His Dirty Harry push from earlier today stood out to me because...I don't know like, why are you talking about Dirty Harry right now. There are other things to resolve in the thread first and I don't think he's given any actual opinions on Mountain/myself/Lady

Because assuming Plants is town, I absolutely think Clown would've thrown a vote at Wasteland there because wagons were safe enough for scum to attempt distancing like that

[FM-Purple Forest]

His Dirty Harry push from earlier today stood out to me because...I don't know like, why are you talking about Dirty Harry right now. There are other things to resolve in the thread first and I don't think he's given any actual opinions on Mountain/myself/Lady

I'm pretty sure I asked about that?

My point there was more unease of him bringing up a list of names shortly before the ITA session that they didn't see reason to include on the ITA lists and doing so felt like a diversion of the actual ITA list formation. But what do I know. [Also just generally speaking saying "Hey whats the thought on X/Y/Q/P?" when I remembered seeing posts from Clown on most of those slots in prior {Yes I know re-evaluation exists} set me to think that they were trying to expand PoE and etc.]

I don't know. Otherwise he has some like, reasonable takes and ones that feel correct, and I feel nervous to push there because he doesn't smell like a shark, but I'm still a bit unsettled, but. Moreso based on my own inability to place Angry Clown definitively.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I dont think the two of you are paired but rereading EoD1 had me pause. I regret shooting you.


No clue. Can be, I just don't know and I resent my inability to determine that.

I see
If you're curious, I asked for consolidation on Dew for my mech
Since more votes there were helpful for me

[FM-Purple Forest]

Because assuming Plants is town, I absolutely think Clown would've thrown a vote at Wasteland there because wagons were safe enough for scum to attempt distancing like that

To be honest my only issue with Plants is that they seem *really* correct but I don't feel like they're taking control of things.

[FM-Purple Forest]

I see
If you're curious, I asked for consolidation on Dew for my mech
Since more votes there were helpful for me

I'm not sure I got there, actually. (I started reading in reverse page wise). Bleh.

[FM-Smug Viking]

I'm getting sleepy and prob head to bed soon.

Someone make a list who still have ITA shots for session #2 please

[FM-Wine Mom]

Speaking of distancing, Ryast probably had the most distancing-like interactions with Incognito and if Lady is town then Ryast probably has to be scum

[FM-Wine Mom]

why don't you just, ask them though

not them as in the hosts

them as in the person who became president in case they happen to know

-vote FM-Incognito

I was more-so saying if you wanted to get as much information then you'd probably risk getting uncertain (not completely trustworthy) information as well -- and therefore @ them with questions about it to get at least a claim on paper or something like that

so like if they claim X on early d1 but then something contradicts their claim later it'd be easier to spot

at least as compared to them not claiming what it did and then configuring their claim to meet the circumstances later

and hence when you realized the hosts did not elaborate on the president it bugged me that you did not ask them

Actually digesting this more now that I got the context

I had a few questions about this but then thought about them and answered them myself so what I think I'm arriving at is this:

Your take here is okay-ish. But it doesn't really resonate with me to the point that I totally agree Jif looks scummy for the reaction test. It feels more like low scum or NAI territory, when taking that series of interactions to be independent of everything else in this game. Because ultimately the only real criticism I have for it is how the reaction test was handled by Jif and how she kinda called it off very quickly, and I find that criticism to not be all that strong of a pointer. Anything else about whether it gathered a sufficient amount of information (as you suggest above) is irrelevant because the nature of reaction tests is that they're unpredictable in how much or how little they obtain in terms of information.

I think I'm going to unvote and then figure someone else to vote in the next hour.

I re-read Incognito's ISO. His posts don't really give me any real towny impressions, but I have two points for not holding my vote there anymore. First is that there isn't all that much I dislike about them -- its only like two things, my initial dislike of how Incognito approached the president thing and 2nd his reads list which doesn't contain many conclusions. 2nd caveat is that I get the impression its best to let him cook for awhile, especially since there apparently was a masonry offer between Wine Mom and incognito....? Essentially I get the vibe that pursuing either of them would be unproductive at the moment (plus I need to re-eval Wine Mom on SoD2) and has the chance to lead to getting clues on other people.

[unvote][unvote]

Ryast's Incognito progression from D1

[FM-Fast Fish]

I'm getting sleepy and prob head to bed soon.

Someone make a list who still have ITA shots for session #2 please

I'm pretty burnt so don't expect magic from me.

[FM-Wine Mom]

To be honest my only issue with Plants is that they seem *really* correct but I don't feel like they're taking control of things.

Is that wolf indicative?

[FM-Purple Forest]

Is that wolf indicative?

It can be. I don't know, I don't think its huge but I do think My Plants has been a towny slot otherwise it just... scared me looking back?

[FM-Wine Mom]

@FM-Lovely Bug You might need to let go of Tiny Sandwich...their ISO is lacking. Do they have two ITAs again today?

[FM-Smug Viking]

@FM-Lovely Bug You might need to let go of Tiny Sandwich...their ISO is lacking. Do they have two ITAs again today?

Lovely said yes

[FM-Wine Mom]

I think we all should consider a wastelands vote

Seen the name mentioned a few times in the midst of all this chaos (seriously there's like 15 different discussions to all look into here) but no seeming willingness for it

@FM-Ryast Why didn't you vote Wasteland here then?

[FM-Wine Mom]

FM-Wine Mom
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Sassy Witch
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Orange Iris
FM-Raincoat Cat
FM-Zoomer Power

- - -

FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Ryast
FM-Tiny Sandwich

Five scum in the above list...why does it seem impossible lol.

1 in Ryast / Lady of the Lake

Leaving 4 in:
FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Tiny Sandwich

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

FM-Wine Mom
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Sassy Witch
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Orange Iris
FM-Raincoat Cat
FM-Zoomer Power

- - -

FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Ryast
FM-Tiny Sandwich

Five scum in the above list...why does it seem impossible lol.

1 in Ryast / Lady of the Lake

Leaving 4 in:
FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Tiny Sandwich

When did raincoat cat graduate from the bottom to the top?

[FM-Wine Mom]

I'm NOT voting purple forest today, even though I don't trust him - eliminating him d1 is NOT how I want to deal with him

Purple Forest feels like a wolf, but the type of wolf you actually never go for D1 and instead wait and see

I disagree.

These posts feel like TMI

Especially considering how neither of them really talked about Wasteland much at all

[FM-Dirty Harry]

Uh seems I missed Itas

Do i even bother reading up

[FM-Wine Mom]

I'm NOT voting purple forest today, even though I don't trust him - eliminating him d1 is NOT how I want to deal with him

When did raincoat cat graduate from the bottom to the top?

Quite a while ago? I stopped pushing them pretty much as soon as Incognito flipped yesterday.

[FM-Wine Mom]

I spent a good chunk of the second half of D2 explaining why Raincoat is a villager lol.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

I spent a good chunk of the second half of D2 explaining why Raincoat is a villager lol.

Got it, must've missed that.

[FM-Wine Mom]

By the way, Lady, even though you shot me, I'm willing to work with you today if you'll accept the olive branch. (Mostly to give Fish some peace of mind but also because I'm finding Ryast increasingly suspect and their ITA shot on you is unpairing for obvious reasons.)

[FM-Dirty Harry]

ok someone explain why mountains is getting shot?

[FM-Fast Fish]

ok someone explain why mountains is getting shot?

Because I really, REALLY want to kill a town player and I happened to settle on Mountain. Make sense?

[FM-Dirty Harry]

Because I really, REALLY want to kill a town player and I happened to settle on Mountain. Make sense?

I reread 99-curent and yall got mad real fast

Town is a community
we are supposed to be happy
but babe , you'll lose all your essential fish oils if you get too mad and fry them, smile for me fish-chan

[FM-Wine Mom]

FM-Wine Mom
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Sassy Witch
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Orange Iris
FM-Raincoat Cat
FM-Zoomer Power

- - -

FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Ryast
FM-Tiny Sandwich

Five scum in the above list...why does it seem impossible lol.

1 in Ryast / Lady of the Lake

Leaving 4 in:
FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Tiny Sandwich

Can safely remove Aliens because Snail threatened to Death Note them and they killed Snail instead of killing someone more townread. If you are scum and you know you are dying by EON3 you would probably not use your KP to provide the flip of a highly contested slot in the game. If Aliens is still alive D4 then that's a different story.

Leaving 4 in:
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-My Plants
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Tiny Sandwich

[FM-Fast Fish]

Actually. Flipping Dirty if Mountain is ever green isn't a bad idea.

[FM-Fast Fish]

I reread 99-curent and yall got mad real fast

Town is a community
we are supposed to be happy
but babe , you'll lose all your essential fish oils if you get too mad and fry them, smile for me fish-chan

Why are you presuming to know how I feel? You can ask me and I'd tell you.

[FM-Wine Mom]

Purple continually flip flopping on Mountains also does not look like how you would typically approach a partner so I might take Purple out of POE if Mountains is red.

Sportsball or whatever it's called group:
FM-White Square, FM-Smug Viking, FM-Bosun, FM-Incognito, FM-Purple Forest, FM-Fast Fish, FM-Wasteland, FM-Tiny Sandwich, FM-Green Nya, and FM-Jiraffe

Probably WIFOM but the above grouping also makes me lightly unpair Purple and Mountains

[FM-Fast Fish]

Anyway. I'm useless and have nothing to contribute here, so I'm actually out. Hope you guys have good aim ita2.

[FM-Dirty Harry]

Actually. Flipping Dirty if Mountain is ever green isn't a bad idea.

smh ignoring my anti-incog contributes, and no one has answered on why mountain is bad

or Is this thread just so scum controled atm

[FM-Wine Mom]

Alright so I targeted Fast Fish last night and based on my feedback they appear town or at least not-wolf (also I had nothing to do with the alleged RB on them).

However I don't quite understand their insistence that Lady / Mom are both town. Makes me wonder 3p -- not that I want to pursue 3p's yet, just wanted to put that thought out there.

@FM-Ryast Why target Fish over Snail? You expressed no paranoia over Fish the past two days whereas you were actively tinfoiling w!Snail worlds and obviously Snail was a topic of discussion yesterday

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

By the way, Lady, even though you shot me, I'm willing to work with you today if you'll accept the olive branch. (Mostly to give Fish some peace of mind but also because I'm finding Ryast increasingly suspect and their ITA shot on you is unpairing for obvious reasons.)

I still think you're wolf but interaction with you is always welcome. The more information we give the town the better.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Actually. Flipping Dirty if Mountain is ever green isn't a bad idea.

I don't understand.

[FM-Wine Mom]

Deep in my soul...I think Angry Clown is Angry Town

[FM-Wine Mom]

If Lady town: FM-Ryast + FM-Mountain Tops/FM-White Square + 3 in [Harry, Sandwich, Bug, Purple/Plants - with Plants and Purple hard unpaired]