S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Orange Iris]

These I think I should keep as town
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Sassy Witch

Other than that I should start fresh
And I'm going to try to avoid building worlds based on other reads I have, to prevent one wrong read from ruining everything
I... don't know if that's actually going to work but I'm trying it
It also should hopefully save time in that I can ignore Aliens as they're dying regardless

Leaving:
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-My Plants
FM-Orange Iris
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Raincoat Cat
FM-Ryast
FM-Zoomer Power

Why Sassy is town and why you move me to scums?

[FM-Fast Fish]

I'm just trying to figure out where you're at)

You die.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Why Sassy is town and why you move me to scums?

Those aren't scums those are "I should look at"
Sassy is town for the redcheck on Snippy - that one is a simple and solid read that everyone agrees on

[FM-Mountain Tops]

You die.

Fish. I am asking:

- what you think about Zoomer now
- what you would think about Zoomer if I flipped town

I already know you scumread me and you don't need to keep telling me that lol

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I've reread Lovely Bug a few times and've gotten nowhere
I should probably check Wine Mom's arguments about them tho

[FM-Mountain Tops]

This slot may need to go. Enters with a very basic 2 towns and 2 scum list, pushes Mountaintops a lot, pushes Purple Forest a lot (two villagers), and white knights the fuck out of Bosun during the EOD.

Found it

...actually I have an idea

[FM-Fast Fish]

Fish. I am asking:

- what you think about Zoomer now
- what you would think about Zoomer if I flipped town

I already know you scumread me and you don't need to keep telling me that lol

I'm not sure. I guess I'll know when you die today.

You really are greedy, aren't you?

[FM-Orange Iris]

Those aren't scums those are "I should look at"
Sassy is town for the redcheck on Snippy - that one is a simple and solid read that everyone agrees on

It's not the answer about me.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I'm not sure. I guess I'll know when you die today.

You really are greedy, aren't you?

...not sure what you're trying to say here (bolded), nor whether you're saying "T!You really is greedy" or "W!you really is greedy" (or both)

Like in this case I'm literally just trying to see your thoughts to read you

[FM-Mountain Tops]

It's not the answer about me.

I'm saying "You are not in scums - you are in 'I should look at', because nearly everyone is there"

[FM-Fast Fish]

...not sure what you're trying to say here (bolded), nor whether you're saying "T!You really is greedy" or "W!you really is greedy" (or both)

Like in this case I'm literally just trying to see your thoughts to read you

I think you're greedy as any alignment. You're also going to die as any alignment. I won't feel anything about your flip, honestly.

And personally, I like playing with you. I hope we both rand wolf one day, maybe we have before. But we both know today ends with you hanging. Send my regards to Wine Mom.

[FM-Purple Forest]

There is minimum 4 wolves alive, just so we are all clear.

Didn’t Bug say that they’d die when Sandwich did?

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I think you're greedy as any alignment. You're also going to die as any alignment. I won't feel anything about your flip, honestly.

And personally, I like playing with you. I hope we both rand wolf one day, maybe we have before. But we both know today ends with you hanging. Send my regards to Wine Mom.

Well I'm glad you've enjoyed playing with me at least (and hopefully that still holds true when you find out I'm town)
And I do think it would be fun to wolf with you, regardless of your alignment here

I... would discuss whether I tend to be greedy except that would probably be against the rules

[FM-Mountain Tops]

There is minimum 4 wolves alive, just so we are all clear.

Didn’t Bug say that they’d die when Sandwich did?

No, they said this:

btw i am never shooting tiny sandwich for mech related reasons

it's not necessarily a clear but my entire role is based on their survival, if they die i become pretty much useless

[FM-Fast Fish]

No, they said this:

Describe how you used your role with one word. I'm legitimately curious.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

@FM-Purple Forest (this should work I hope!)

hello!! :o)

For Mountain Tops, my initial read on them was that they felt quite inquisitive, was quick to break the ice and get stuck in with providing reads and insight into the n0 event in a way which I vibed with. Reading back through now I mostly agree with that sentiment still, their posting still feels quite good to me and feels like they're genuinely considering their reads not just throwing them out for the sake of it.

I cant quite explain it how I'd like to, cant fully put the words to it, but I can grab examples if that helps illustrate it?

My only hangup was their reaction to my vote on Harry, it felt a little like they had jumped the gun a bit on it? Though I feel that's only really something I'd be concerned about if Harry is actually scum, and admittedly I havent seen anything from them since my initial prod so I'd rather not get too wrapped up in that world for now :o(

Overall feels good to me for now :o)

Will read through Bosun now as well!!

Fast Fish

How fast is the fish? How fish is the fish? One may never know....

Their initial posting is mostly just jokes and lighthearted posting, but past that they take more of an active approach with engaging the thread and giving their reads in a way that feels quite realistic to me. I did initially get the vibe they had said more than what was actually in their ISO but I dont dislike what's there either, not sure if that completely makes sense though. Maybe it's just a 'me' thing.

I need to work out where my head is at, because I'm currently woefully unconvinced it's on my shoulders :o(

I have these for town currently, and can explain any of them if needed - please do ask, it'll help me sort through my thoughts a bit:

FM-Ryast
FM-Mountain Tops
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Aliens are Real
FM-Wine Mom

These I also think could be town though I have more reservations there:

FM-Fast Fish
FM-Bosun

(Drunk/Viking are both *technically* in this list though it's more "I assume this will resolve itself so not my problem" rather than really remembering anything from either of them)

And then a few names that come to mind but mainly as gut reads rather than anything substantiated, pending a proper ISO:

FM-Snail Streamer
FM-Orange Iris
FM-My Plants
FM-Sassy Witch

I'm not quite content with that though cant fully place why, I think part of it is due to lacking a firm grasp on things though there's not much I can do to remedy that with the time I have on hand toDay. Which is frustrating. >:o(. Though I'd like to at least skim through everyone by EOD and see how this adapts

I dont think I've mentioned many of these, got a little too caught up in backreading so most of these have just been floating around in my head a little. Send me any pings and I'll run through my reads on people! :o) I dont bite

Have started reading through Clown's ISO
These posts (specifically the bolded) show some level of realistic thought, though it's definitely not unfakeable

For anyone TRing Clown's earlygame - was this also what you noticed? Or did you find something else?

Noted the alignments in the readslist as well but there's not enough flips where I think I should conclude anything there

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Describe how you used your role with one word. I'm legitimately curious.

to be honest

Badly

though not for the reasons you think

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

IMPEACH!
@FM-IMPEACHMENT

[FM-Mountain Tops]

to be honest

Badly

though not for the reasons you think

I think outing white square is the ~correct play for this role

- however I should've outed it earlier D1 to make the most of my mech then
- I should've chosen the rest of my actions better (N1's was a pretty tough choice, N2 I mean. Depending on what actually happened that night, there's some argument the correct play was simple, but also my actions were significantly influenced by wolfreading Wine Mom, which changes a lot)

[FM-Fast Fish]

to be honest

Badly

though not for the reasons you think

What do you think I'm thinking?

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I'm not sure. I guess I'll know when you die today.

You really are greedy, aren't you?

I think this is dumb. Still think Mountain is town but I do need to reread after Wine Moms flip- But even if you do think they are scum they have 6 wounds.

To repeat that 6 wounds

How does it possibly make sense to use an entire lynch when a single ITA shot would resolve them regardless of your read?

[FM-Mountain Tops]

What do you think I'm thinking?

Well I know you were saying this:

"This is pure."



My contribution to the game can be attempting to resolve this earlier than later. We both know I flip town and I'm not getting off this. Conviction is too high. Boxes are too enclosed. Yes, I looked at the other votes as well.

I also find it hard to believe Mountain got such a role as town. They could have tried codeswitching to avoid being caught as WS but got lazy and felt the need to soft it to you. The whole point of a role like that is to play two parts at once but you resigned yourself to assuming a double voter, double ITA, double night action, double poster, double president voter THAT KEEPS GETTING STRONGER is somehow town. That's absolutely insane to me Wine. Carry this game with Lady and Snail if I'm wrong. I have a date with destiny and will speak no more of this tomfoolery. o7 Now it's time to day drink.

So I'm expecting that you think I should've kept it hidden and played on both accounts separately
Which IMO isn't super viable given the mech goals this role has

[FM-Fast Fish]

I think this is dumb. Still think Mountain is town but I do need to reread after Wine Moms flip- But even if you do think they are scum they have 6 wounds.

To repeat that 6 wounds

How does it possibly make sense to use an entire lynch when a single ITA shot would resolve them regardless of your read?

If the hosts announced both you and Mountain are town, I'd shoot you both twice.

Consider this my resume for Mafia. Let me have my lynch and move on bro.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Well I know you were saying this:



So I'm expecting that you think I should've kept it hidden and played on both accounts separately
Which IMO isn't super viable given the mech goals this role has

I think it's like, a theoretical thing that could be done
And I think it'd be maybe worth doing if this was a wolf role, or if I had like, infinite time and energy
But I think you'll agree, or at least mostly agree, when you see the flip

[FM-Purple Forest]

Wow I’m starting to believe that some of you guys are not enjoyable on long car rides.

[FM-Fast Fish]

Well I know you were saying this:



So I'm expecting that you think I should've kept it hidden and played on both accounts separately
Which IMO isn't super viable given the mech goals this role has

I think most town players would have. I would have, personally. This is a debatable topic.

But yeah, if you ask me the game would still be confused if a town player had your role. You can argue with yourself. Fuck it, you can thunderdome yourself. You gave up early for a reason. It's more pragmatic for a wolf to out and use their role to abuse ITA/vote cycles obviously. A town player would want control all over the place.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I think most town players would have. I would have, personally. This is a debatable topic.

But yeah, if you ask me the game would still be confused if a town player had your role. You can argue with yourself. Fuck it, you can thunderdome yourself. You gave up early for a reason. It's more pragmatic for a wolf to out and use their role to abuse ITA/vote cycles obviously. A town player would want control all over the place.

If my role was just the account, then maybe

But the thing is it's not at all - I think this role is best described as two separate, unrelated concepts/ideas combined

Can't really say more without just fullclaiming though so you can wait for the flip

[FM-Fast Fish]

If my role was just the account, then maybe

But the thing is it's not at all - I think this role is best described as two separate, unrelated concepts/ideas combined

Can't really say more without just fullclaiming though so you can wait for the flip

Guess so.

[FM-Fast Fish]

I'm extremely jealous.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Guess so.

Also FISH I'm amending this

If you were still doing your lovey-dovey posting I'd ask you to write a poem of eternal love for me regret for everyone skill issuing if I flip town

[FM-Fast Fish]

Also FISH I'm amending this

Surely, with enough shit stirred I will unvote your slot. See, this is what I meant by greedy.

[FM-Fast Fish]

If I was in your town position, I'd just die. If I was in your wolf position, I'd tell my teammates to fucking do something. You insist on pushing. You are greedy.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

If the hosts announced both you and Mountain are town, I'd shoot you both twice.

Consider this my resume for Mafia. Let me have my lynch and move on bro.

You wanting to lynch Mountains is just wasteful. Wolves will just bus because they are going down anyways with probably 1 ITA and the train will generate zero information.

We should be looking elsewhere for the EoD lynch

[FM-Orange Iris]

Now I don't trust both @FM-Mountain Tops and @FM-Lady of the Lake .
But my vote goes to

-vote FM-Mountain Tops

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Surely, with enough shit stirred I will unvote your slot. See, this is what I meant by greedy.

...that's literally not what I'm doing lol

I just want to be able to look forward to that when I flip

[FM-Fast Fish]

You wanting to lynch Mountains is just wasteful. Wolves will just bus because they are going down anyways with probably 1 ITA and the train will generate zero information.

We should be looking elsewhere for the EoD lynch

Oh I don't remember asking you

[FM-Fast Fish]

Mr. Wolves slipping through cracks.

Shoots a top fucking town. Don't talk to me again.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

If I was in your town position, I'd just die. If I was in your wolf position, I'd tell my teammates to fucking do something. You insist on pushing. You are greedy.

I think you're misunderstanding my intent here

Do I want to live / am I trying to live? Yes. Not particularly invested in that, but it's optimal for town so I'm doing it.

Am I trying to convince you in this conversation? No lol. I know that's never happening. I'm talking to you 'cause I feel like it.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Mr. Wolves slipping through cracks.

Shoots a top fucking town. Don't talk to me again.

I mean in all fairness I was pretty hard townread when you shot me D2

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I think you're misunderstanding my intent here

Do I want to live / am I trying to live? Yes. Not particularly invested in that, but it's optimal for town so I'm doing it.

Am I trying to convince you in this conversation? No lol. I know that's never happening. I'm talking to you 'cause I feel like it.

(Though I mean. If "greedy" means "playing to my wincon" then sure)

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

Mr. Wolves slipping through cracks.

Shoots a top fucking town. Don't talk to me again.

I think you should relax a little and lets turn to moving forward and making reads. Realistically town is not crazy behind from whats expected. The ratio of Town to Non-town should still be roughly around what it was at game start from what I am looking at. We just need to calm down, look at the flips and regroup with a positive direction.

[FM-Orange Iris]

I think you should relax a little and lets turn to moving forward and making reads. Realistically town is not crazy behind from whats expected. The ratio of Town to Non-town should still be roughly around what it was at game start from what I am looking at. We just need to calm down, look at the flips and regroup with a positive direction.

I am okey to rethink tomorrow. But I see no any reason to trust you anymore.

[FM-Fast Fish]

I am okey to rethink tomorrow. But I see no any reason to trust you anymore.

There's no rethinking.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Have started reading through Clown's ISO
These posts (specifically the bolded) show some level of realistic thought, though it's definitely not unfakeable

For anyone TRing Clown's earlygame - was this also what you noticed? Or did you find something else?

Noted the alignments in the readslist as well but there's not enough flips where I think I should conclude anything there

ok I finished reading through Clown
Didn't see any more of this type of thing, but admittedly was rushing a bit
I want people's thoughts here
Bye for now

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I am okey to rethink tomorrow. But I see no any reason to trust you anymore.

Thats fine. I will flip tonight and I can feed my reads through my chat. I do dislike how I am being pushed for Wine Moms flip when I am not the only one who shot but I am the only one that pushed strong reasoning for doing an ITA.

I really do think everyone should admit that its a bad idea to lynch Mountain Tops given they have 6 wounds. We should be hunting right now

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

I'm not sure. I guess I'll know when you die today.

You really are greedy, aren't you?

There is nothing to be lost by interacting with Mountain today. I intend to answer any questions he has for me even if I end up voting him.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Now I don't trust both @FM-Mountain Tops and @FM-Lady of the Lake .
But my vote goes to

-vote FM-Mountain Tops

At least you're consistent. I respect that. Completely fair to wolf read me after the wine mom flip. I wouldn't think we're TvT either.

Let me know if you have questions about where I am. Maybe at some point before EoD I'll figure out where the fuck I am too.

[FM-Fast Fish]

There is nothing to be lost by interacting with Mountain today. I intend to answer any questions he has for me even if I end up voting him.

Who said I wasn't doing that?

[FM-Ryast]

Welp.

-vote FM-Lady of the Lake

Maybe you all should've just ITA'ed the obvious wolf here.

I still think Mountain is town here, though Fast Fish is hyper-fixated on eliminating Mountain Tops out of (actual or pretend) rage it seems. Probably still 3p.

[FM-Fast Fish]

Welp.

-vote FM-Lady of the Lake

Maybe you all should've just ITA'ed the obvious wolf here.

I still think Mountain is town here, though Fast Fish is hyper-fixated on eliminating Mountain Tops out of (actual or pretend) rage it seems. Probably still 3p.

You would kill Lady over your 3p pick?