That's exactly my point, WHERE are you arguing against deathworld's lynch IN THIS THREAD ? you might have had some opinion before the split, i fail to see any after it, you've also not been pushing Badass.
Again, since the split, where ?
I'm leaning town on Wildcard and Moogle atm, Moogle doesn't post that much, but i read his earlier post (22) as town
Now here's everything you said Unknown :
This is fishy, what does this mean ? We shouldn't vote ?
Where are your scum and town reads ?
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino
I haven't had to say anything against deathworlds in this thread because he hasn't even shown up, and a case hasn't been brought up yet. You can't argue something when people are barely even suggesting a lynch.
I was saying that you haven't shown any reason in particular that you should be town-reading someone. Basically all you did was agree with the general opinion and agree to lynch the people who are easy choices without explanation. Now you are just attacking me out of nowhere. Also, why is Moogles post (22) townie to you?
By saying that it is fishy, that is an obvious frame job. I NEVER said to not lynch anyone. You couldn't get a lynch off before the timer anyways, so why should people become close-minded and all stack votes on someone?
Just because i don't use make a list, if I am actively questioning players and saying what they are doing is suspicious/normal, than I think it's fair to assume they are who I questioned.
That's a good point, but the lack of a night kill might help us in that. We might only have 1 miss lynch. And if we're successfully getting enough lynches off to eliminate the Mafia, the other Universe will have more players total (since they won't be getting lynches off), and then they will be more likely to get lynches off over our universe.
I gave an explanation about Town, if you're claiming to do something when in my opinion you're not doing it, that's enough of a reason to try to look further
Because that's the only way to pressure people, why wouldn't people want to stack votes against a player when you actually don't have the hammer risk ?
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino
To be honest, while this would really destroy us if he flipped town, I wouldn't mind pushing a lynch on Sino today even.
Well at this point I don't want to lynch Wildcard, Unknown, or Sino.
I really hope Quick and On Time just get replaced because lynching one of them would give us no info. whatsoever but I'd be willing to do it if we had no other options.
I am pretty nullish overall on Town but I do like that they are making waves.
If deathworlds doesn't post more, I'd be fine running him up. Making excuses not to post and set up spec isn't exactly pro-town behavior. Badass is pretty awkward and seems uncomfortable as well. Unless there is something like new player or language barrier, I'd say he is a good lynch option as well.
Well, for one, how he acted during pre-game (I made a long post regarding it).
Second, when I asked him who he would lynch today and why, the only thing he could come up with is Town because he claimed Town. I don't see that as a legitimate reason to have someone at the TOP of your lynching list. I mean, sure, you can have a negative outlook on the guy for it, but to that be your strongest read? Seems unlikely, especially with how many posts the guy has in the game. He is active, his read should be stronger than that.
I also find that he tries to appease players in the game, especially active players. I take this as a sign to try not to have the active players pushing on him.
Also, I responded to your post a while ago regarding Sino, not sure if you read it or not:
Day and a half left.
I'm going to reread the setup and notes dump as soon as I'm back home.
I suggest everyone do the same.
(Also suggest everyone who hasn't yet done so to hard claim Town. Sue me.)
Also, I've made a few anti-Sino posts now... like 4... yet Sino won't engage the posts. I'm not exactly sure why, he's avoiding the conversation completely with me. I mean, I definitely haven't directed anything towards him directly, but you'd think he'd want to set the record straight and counter the points I'm making.
Also, can I get a Doctor/BG/BD on me tonight please? It would be tragic if we lose our active players, and I'd like to be here tomorrow.
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino
I swear we discussed this earlier though. It was probably early game, in which I didn't have any strong scum reads at that point. This happens a lot with my communication though, because I am aware that my word choice sometimes makes me seem scummy.
I once called myself "probably Town" when I was Town, so I do send out miss communications a lot. If he has a good reason why he said "dislike" then I could understand, but not having strong reads right now isn't beneficial.
Did he ? He still didn't answer your question of who people would want to lynch
So here he used my willingness to lynch lurkers at the beginning of the thread against me when the situation had changed, at this point i had no intent of lynching Quick anymore, for example.
Again, i don't see the point of this post, to me he's just asking people not to vote.
As i said, i'd rather ask why not ? What problem would a townie have with a vote stacking ?
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino
Lol, that statement makes WildCard more likely to be town. It's a dumb thing to say though, because you either make yourself not a target anymore, or you make people think you won't get attacked and then do get attacked. It's better not to say anything.
I have indirectly answered this question, making it clear I would be happy lynching you and Badass, and maybe Town if he does not keep up with his promises.
How do you expect anyone to know that you don't want to lynch them if you don't say that your opinion has changed? Also, saying that it was "early in the thread" is stretching it.
I just explained this, and it's in the next post you quoted. Stacking votes makes people LESS inclined to vote because you don't see a chance of having another lynch occur. You also critique yourself by not voting me, your strongest scum-read.
See above.
Why do you only comment on my posts being scummy when it is in your best interest to discredit whoever becomes suspicious of you? How come this wasn't a problem before our interaction? Answer: you are trying to make me look suspicious and completely changed your mood to attack me.
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino
So, the reason you think Unknown is scum is:
1) He didn't give reads, while you didn't either. Plus, I only asked 3 people, and Unknown wasn't one of them. At least, I don't think I made a blanket request to give reads? No on ever responds to those.
2) Fair enough, but at what point in the thread did you voice that you had no intention of lynching Quick anymore? Can you link the post, please?
3) It's fair that you read that as he's trying to get people not to vote, I can understand how you read it that way. Personally, it looks to me that he's only talking about his own vote, but I don't think it's scummy at all that you read that post differently than I do.
4) I think Unknown in that post (correct me if i'm wrong, Unknown) is just saying that we shouldn't tunnel vision on any players, and to keep all our options open for the time being. Spreading out votes creates pressure on multiple players, which gets more reactions and allows scum to relax if we're tunneling on town.
I'm not sure if any of those things are scummy. Not to me at least. You're allowed to have your own reads, I'm not going to take those away from you. I think it's a better reason than you had for wanting to lynch Town, but I still don't think that it's a great excuse for a lynch.
Do you have any more explanations about all of them ? I've been asked why i was wanting to lynch people
Because i said in the beginning that the problem was inactivity, since then people have been more active and Orpz told us people with 0 posts were gonna be replaced before d1 ends, thus changing the situation
Why would there less chances of having another lynch when you pointed out we still have a lot of time to change the votes ?
That's just not true, if i'm being scumread, my best interest is to give another scumread of my own, not to just discredit what people have been saying.
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino
I have explained why I want to lynch people. If you read the game you would know. Just because I didn't say "I scum-read them because..." doesn't mean I don't have reads.
You are scum-read because of your oppourtunistic reads and pushes that don't have any explanation backing them up. You also got super defensive when I questioned one thing about you and suddenly changed your read on me as if the things that made me Town (to you) didn't exist anymore.
Badass because he seems disengaged and only posting for the sake of seeming active. The fact that he has inconsistent thoughts and can't explain the simplest things that he does raises questions to me. Also, I don't see any attempt to scum-hunt right now.
Town seems to be making promises about effort while not even keeping up to these promises. Still not my strongest read, but it also doesn't help that their arrogant attitude seems what I would expect from a scum that is annoyed with the negative attention.
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino