S-FM 179: Cop Out

[Damus_Graves]

Me and fire briner have a unique relationship and our banter will not be stopped. Embrace it.

I'm his butt buddy and everyone knows it. Get off mate

[Damus_Graves]

I'm bed now��
Toodles

[Sen]

Anyone still getting thief reads from Titus?
As I mentioned earlier, I remember her being way more bossy and aggressive. It isn't an alignment tell, but it's certainly odd.

I'll check her posts again later, but I doubt she is a Thief, simply because I'm assuming that the thieves are communicating, and her few posts don't indicate any of the sort after a quick glance. And again; she's bossy and would likely be the one trying to dictate the scum targets if she were a Thieve.

The same applies for all the hard lurkers; if scum, they're likely Neutrals or the passive Thieve in the scum pairing.

[Toadette]

I'm his butt buddy and everyone knows it. Get off mate

Not that type of relationship. I love to point out how pathetic he is and he pretends to not care. Its a beautiful thing.

[Sen]

Thief*
I'm slightly inebriated now. ^.^

[TheDarkestLight]

Explain?

His contribution has been pathetic and he's clogging up chat with massive amounts of filler posts and he has no conviction to voting anyone specific as he has been flip flopping all day long.

[RLVG]

Motherfucking quad post
Btw I'm thief

Shit like this is why I'm still voting Damus, boiz

[RLVG]

As I mentioned earlier, I remember her being way more bossy and aggressive. It isn't an alignment tell, but it's certainly odd.

I agree that it's odd. Remember the few games of pure aggro which was aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages ago.

However people change as time pass. Wouldn't it be more of an indication that someone has grown with the times?

[Titus]

t minus half an hour until..... DRUNK TITUS...

Oh and Damus, I'm going to steal your heart you know it boo. You broke mine by unvoting Paladin. :(

Sen, let's get drunk.

[Titus]

I agree that it's odd. Remember the few games of pure aggro which was aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages ago.

However people change as time pass. Wouldn't it be more of an indication that someone has grown with the times?

Yes, y'all haven't done stupid shit like wagon obvious town so I don't need to go aggro.

Now, if you wagon Toadies I'll be pissed off again.

[Sen]

Let's. ^.^

[Titus]

Why are you off Paladin? He's neutral claimed already, so why not?

[Sen]

Poking lurkers.
Will move my vote back before the day ends. He's a BWCS anyway.

[Firebringer]

*Fire waves at Titus*

[Titus]

Hiiiii!

[Firebringer]

Hiiiii!

Whats your thoughts on Frog right now Titus?
I don't know if I can trust him....or you really.

[Titus]

Frog is a totally mystery to me. Try as I may I can't figure it out. If P hadn't slipped, I'd probably see what he wants on Game but I dunno.

[Firebringer]

WHy is nobody on!?!?!?!?!?!?
I think that means everyone is scum.

[Firebringer]

Sen lets get you off my null read.
In less than five sentences explain why I should town read you.

GO!

[Titus]

Nullreading Sen? Really Fire...

[Firebringer]

Nullreading Sen? Really Fire...

YOu make it sound like its easy to read Sen.
You are mistaken!

[Toadette]

WHy is nobody on!?!?!?!?!?!?
I think that means everyone is scum.

I'm here reading but don't feel like anything I have to say at this time will be of value and will just clog the thread

Like this post

[Firebringer]

I'm here reading but don't feel like anything I have to say at this time will be of value and will just clog the thread

Like this post

HOW YOU DOING TOADETTE!
I like talking with you.

Yoou have any thoughts on Frog?

[Sen]

Sen lets get you off my null read.
In less than five sentences explain why I should town read you.
You shouldn't.
You simply cannot say I'm null after 100~ replies.

I'll stay here for some 40~ minutes before going to bed, and I might not reply a lot before the day ends (got shit to do tomorrow). Have any questions? This is the time.

[Firebringer]

You shouldn't.
You simply cannot say I'm null after 100~ replies.

I'll stay here for some 40~ minutes before going to bed, and I might not reply a lot before the day ends (got shit to do tomorrow). Have any questions? This is the time.

sO.... You are neutral scum.

[Sen]

sO.... You are neutral scum.
Why scum? Why neutral?

[Titus]

Explain it to drunk me lols.

[Firebringer]

Why scum? Why neutral?

Thats what it sounds like to me.
Your post and style. It sounds like a neutral scum.

[Toadette]

HOW YOU DOING TOADETTE!
I like talking with you.

Yoou have any thoughts on Frog?

I have expressed my feelings on Frog many times. Pay attention.

[Sen]

Thats what it sounds like to me.
Your post and style. It sounds like a neutral scum.
Ok. That's cool.

[Titus]

Thats what it sounds like to me.
Your post and style. It sounds like a neutral scum.

*farts*

We don't scumread people for post style... Fire, don't be scum please? I don't think my drunken heart can take it.

[Firebringer]

Ok. That's cool.

Is it though?
I mean, I guess what I have said can't be really argued against since its "gut" but I haven't seen you scum hunt much beyond Paladin I feelz/

[Firebringer]

*farts*

We don't scumread people for post style... Fire, don't be scum please? I don't think my drunken heart can take it.

You gotta stop eating those beans Titus, they make you toot.

Also I am pretty sure your drunken heart will be sober heart tomorrow.

[Sen]

Is it though?
I mean, I guess what I have said can't be really argued against since its "gut" but I haven't seen you scum hunt much beyond Paladin I feelz/
I'm simply not one to play the best cards when there's no need to; ThePaladin is anti-town. I want him lynched. He's getting lynched. There's no reason for me to add any extra ingredients to today's meal.

[Firebringer]

I'm simply not one to play the best cards when there's no need to; ThePaladin is anti-town. I want him lynched. He's getting lynched. There's no reason for me to add any extra ingredients to today's meal.

You don't feel the need to get more reads today?
Why not get the most out of this day?

[Toadette]

Is it though?
I mean, I guess what I have said can't be really argued against since its "gut" but I haven't seen you scum hunt much beyond Paladin I feelz/

All of your reads are gut reads which is why they are awful

Sen feels townie. Doesn't mean he is or not.

[Firebringer]

All of your reads are gut reads which is why they are awful

Sen feels townie. Doesn't mean he is or not.
No, gut reads are fine.
They can be very good.

[Sen]

You don't feel the need to get more reads today?
Why not get the most out of this day?
I have way more "reads". I'm simply not sharing them at this point. My list is a pretty nice rainbow, and not overtly spamming it every other post or throwing a FoS here and there for no good reason doesn't mean I haven't been scumhunting someone other than ThePaladin. Hell, I got him pegged like on the third page.

[Firebringer]

I have way more "reads". I'm simply not sharing them at this point. My list is a pretty nice rainbow, and not overtly spamming it every other post or throwing a FoS here and there for no good reason doesn't mean I haven't been scumhunting someone other than ThePaladin. Hell, I got him pegged like on the third page.

I don't see the point in hiding reads.....at all.
Thats anti town.

[Firebringer]

VC 1.?

ThePaladin (3): Firebringer, SuperJack, Titus
DarknessB (1): Sen
Damus_Graves (2): RLVG, GameFreak
SuperJack (1): ThePaladin
GameFreak (3): NoctiZ, Frog, Toadette
Firebringer (1): TheDarkestLight

Seriously, what number is this?

[Sen]

I don't see the point in hiding reads.....at all.
Thats anti town.
As I said; no need to add extra ingredients to today's meal.

[Titus]

I'm simply not one to play the best cards when there's no need to; ThePaladin is anti-town. I want him lynched. He's getting lynched. There's no reason for me to add any extra ingredients to today's meal.

Then why aren't you voting him?

[Toadette]

No, gut reads are fine.
They can be very good.

There's no reasoning with someone who's brain is the size of a peanut apparently

[Sen]

Then why aren't you voting him?

Poking lurkers.
Will move my vote back before the day ends. He's a BWCS anyway.
You're drunk, Titus. Go home.

[Firebringer]

Then why aren't you voting him?

His actions and words aren't aligned.
He said earlier he was voting Darkness because he was being a lurk shit. But then says he won't give all his reads because we don't "Need to add any more to this meal"

Those don't add up.

[Firebringer]

You're drunk, Titus. Go home.

Why does Darkness need to talk more and participate, when you don't want to throw anything into the game? I mean, you are discussing but you aren't giving thoughts on players.

Its essentially active lurking.

[Sen]

Why does Darkness need to talk more and participate, when you don't want to throw anything into the game? I mean, you are discussing but you aren't giving thoughts on players.

Its essentially active lurking.
That's what I do. Deal with it.
I think the only game where I've ever made an actual reads list public during the early game was my first game here where I was scum and made a fake last will.

[Sen]

Why does Darkness need to talk more and participate, when you don't want to throw anything into the game? I mean, you are discussing but you aren't giving thoughts on players.

Its essentially active lurking.
That's what I do. Deal with it.
I think the only game where I've ever made an actual reads list public during the early game was my first game here where I was scum and made a fake last will.

[Sen]

You're drunk, Titus. Go home.
Anyway. Gonna to take my own advice and head to bed. Night.

[Titus]

You're drunk, Titus. Go home.

I get drunk AT home. LOL no drinking and driving.

Unless it's lynches.

[Damus_Graves]

ThePaladin
I hadn't realized paladin and the nonexistent game freak both had 3 votes.
That makes sense -_-

[GameFreak]

Alright i'm back and i'm reading up. I see i cheered too soon. Lynch GF D1 meta still going strong and imma guess Toadette but we'll see

[NoctiZ]

So I'm here for 5 to 10 minutes before heading to uni, here's my main thought:

You're a shitter Fire. I liked you better as Pierce. You're breaking my heart. :(

This is how the cookie crumbles.

[Frog]

I have way more "reads". I'm simply not sharing them at this point. My list is a pretty nice rainbow, and not overtly spamming it every other post or throwing a FoS here and there for no good reason doesn't mean I haven't been scumhunting someone other than ThePaladin. Hell, I got him pegged like on the third page.

I'm here reading but don't feel like anything I have to say at this time will be of value and will just clog the thread

Like this post

Oh you two... Oh wait! RLVG too!


I don't see the point in hiding reads.....at all.
Thats anti town.

This is exactly what Noctiz was pressuring RLVG with.

I like how the most common answer is "I refuse" because you're all too scared to be town D1. Too many townies hiding as neutrals.

This is why I'm the most town, because I claim Town instead of hiding behind wifom. I'm sure this is my last day in this game. It was a pleasure everyone. I hope you all have the courage to open up. I'll start writing my last will now.

[SuperJack]

Just letting everyone know I'm town. Not Scum.

Bring it on baddies.

[Frog]

@gamefreak - shake a tail feather or something. You and Darkness are under the spotlight.

[GameFreak]

Jesus that took forever.
I get the posts on me , but i'm a student and it was thursday, so you'll just have to deal with it.

Frog, started posting actively after i left and it pained me to read the posts. To me it simply feels like you are way overdoing the detective role.
For somebody who talks about 'levels' and looking for bread crumbs you didn't see my softclaim in 7 posts ? Thats just pathetic man.
You call a soft claim when somebody simply talks about the role? I didn't read much useful posts here and i felt you were just
steering conversation to everywhere that didn't involve you.

Sen, you started off so strong but now i'm not sure. I had you as a town but you are not saying much town stuff anymore. For somebody who wanted the day to revolve around townlike behaviour you suddenly say "we have Paladin as scum, no need to hunt further" This feels like a complete break in character but not necesarrily scum. Just thought it was a weird post
considering your attitude earlier in the day was different.

SJ, this man, how the fuck does he do it. He got pinned as town by half of you ? Really ? Everybody who said he was town after the first 3 people just jump on the radar.
You can hardly call him much more active than me.

Noctiz was one of these late SJ town leaners and it just looked weird for a dude who otherwise makes some solid posts.

Firebringer, useless posts scumleaning

Toadette is acting like Toadette i mean, i see no difference in character from how she plays town, but i havn't seen her as mafia yet either so.
Though i do feel like her not being on Paladin is a mystery for nobody who will never not be aggresive and always lynches.
I'm holding of judgement until Paladin flips.

DB, had a little interaction with him. Null read.

Titus, leans scum to me personally, i forgot the posts but the gutfeeling doesn't say she's a townplayer.

TDL, makes logical posts , i liked his thought proces and it followed my own so he's townleaning

RLVG, can't make sense of him. Makes some 'decent' posts but some i can't put myself in his shoes and see what he sees.
But i'll be honest i can never do this with RL

Paladin, the cit claim was interesting. But what suprised me the most here is how Toadette wasn't on this claim in like an instant. Was she online ?
One of her 'mafiarules' is always lynch a citclaimer, because you lose nothing. I guess she was waiting for the day to end before switching ?
But yeah paladin, the problem is that he doesn't seem to play like people normally do. So it's easy to pin as scum. But he does give a scumvibe.
So i'll probably vote for him come N1.

And what's left is social experimenter Damus ? Look guys, i can't see how a dude saying i'm thief a couple of times gets a free pass.
He doesn't feel town to me.

What i will say is that somebody said SJ was town, and barely anybody opposed this ? I mean null read sure, but i saw 4 people say he's town ?
Just feel likes people going with what is said, or i'm missing out on some inside joke.

[GameFreak]

Toadette is acting like Toadette i mean, i see no difference in character from how she plays town, but i havn't seen her as mafia yet either so.
Though i do feel like her not being on Paladin is a mystery for nobody who will never not be aggresive and always lynches.
I'm holding of judgement until Paladin flips.



I derped this sentence, was supposed to mean she is always aggresive and lynching d1 but not on paladin

[TheDarkestLight]

Yeah, still not seeing how GF is scum.

Also, Frog... You're not hot shit.

[Frog]

:facepalm:

[SuperJack]

You jealous I'm.more town. How cute.it's because your Scum though.

[TheDarkestLight]

Yeah, still not seeing how GF is scum.

Also, Frog... You're not hot shit.

Gamefreak has shown rather townish behavior IMO. He countered a major push from a large group with a hostility, whereas scum wouldn't normally do that as that makes them more likely to die. He provided a decent reads list which suggests note taking, something town do more often than scum. His posts, although few in number have decent content and drag attention towards him, something scum don't want. It all just doesn't add up to him being scum IMO.

Also Frog, I'm town, not neutral. There, now I have done exactly what you have done that you claim makes you the most town person around.

[Frog]

Gamefreak has shown rather townish behavior IMO. He countered a major push from a large group with a hostility, whereas scum wouldn't normally do that as that makes them more likely to die. He provided a decent reads list which suggests note taking, something town do more often than scum. His posts, although few in number have decent content and drag attention towards him, something scum don't want. It all just doesn't add up to him being scum IMO.

Also Frog, I'm town, not neutral. There, now I have done exactly what you have done that you claim makes you the most town person around.

TDL, thanks for the last part of your note, but the meat of it was BS. You're applying game theory logic to an inexperienced player. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, that's actually the technical term. A game involves players and strategies with multiple outcomes based on choices. The more times the game is repeated, the more levels of knowledge a player gets. You're applying more levels of knowledge from your analysis of this player than the player actually has. It's just flat out wrong.

But ok, you're choosing to defend GameFreak. Is it because you would much prefer pushing a Paladin or Firebringer lynch? Or is it because you're white knighting GameFreak looking for a newer player who rewards town reads? As though GameFreak will now see you as his savior and trust you going forward because it's mutual trust. Lmao TDL.

Let's stick to - why are you defending GameFreak?
and
Who would you rather lynch today (2-3 players please)

[Sen]

Sen, you started off so strong but now i'm not sure. I had you as a town but you are not saying much town stuff anymore. For somebody who wanted the day to revolve around townlike behaviour you suddenly say "we have Paladin as scum, no need to hunt further" This feels like a complete break in character but not necesarrily scum. Just thought it was a weird post
considering your attitude earlier in the day was different.
I never said anything about stop hunting. Stop making shit up.
And of course my attitude changed; I was drunk. Now I'm hungover and unwilling to stand anybody's bullshit, for comparison.



I like how the most common answer is "I refuse" because you're all too scared to be town D1. Too many townies hiding as neutrals.

This is why I'm the most town, because I claim Town instead of hiding behind wifom. I'm sure this is my last day in this game. It was a pleasure everyone. I hope you all have the courage to open up. I'll start writing my last will now.
Many have said you stink of scum, which isn't really surprising with such quality phrases such as "I'll start writing my last will now" and particularly with your pathetic attempt at trying to deflect protectives towards your useless self. Try fucking harder.

[GameFreak]

I just got called inexperienced. Never saw it coming.

[GameFreak]

I'm simply not one to play the best cards when there's no need to; ThePaladin is anti-town. I want him lynched. He's getting lynched. There's no reason for me to add any extra ingredients to today's meal.

Then i read this post wrong

[Frog]

Do you find paladin as a potential banker?

No. Not in the slightest. All of his hypothetical neutral talk was straight forward sincere game theory discussion from an inexperienced player. Those kinds of questions make sense from a town who wants to learn more.

Again, Paladin wasn't the first or only one to start asking questions that got him on the hot seat in the first place. The difference was he was the easiest target to pressure and continue poking into a lynch scarecrow.

If you revisit the first 200 posts, maybe you'll see what I mean, and notice about 3 other players asking the same questions regarding mechanics, specifically about what advantages scum have.

I see a severe divide between Paladin and GameFreak.

I joined the Paladin train after one post suggested neutral (because he failed to include any statement suggesting it was a hypothetical question that ONE post). But by no means is he the banker. I bet he is legitimately a citizen.

I'm curious to see how more players view GameFreak after his reemergence into this thread.

[Sen]

Then i read this post wrong
Clearly.

When you are go hunting you get your meal for the day while keeping track of tomorrow's food; you don't go roaring around scaring all the petty scum preys and alerting scavengers.

[TheDarkestLight]

TDL, thanks for the last part of your note, but the meat of it was BS. You're applying game theory logic to an inexperienced player. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, that's actually the technical term. A game involves players and strategies with multiple outcomes based on choices. The more times the game is repeated, the more levels of knowledge a player gets. You're applying more levels of knowledge from your analysis of this player than the player actually has. It's just flat out wrong.

But ok, you're choosing to defend GameFreak. Is it because you would much prefer pushing a Paladin or Firebringer lynch? Or is it because you're white knighting GameFreak looking for a newer player who rewards town reads? As though GameFreak will now see you as his savior and trust you going forward because it's mutual trust. Lmao TDL.

Let's stick to - why are you defending GameFreak?
and
Who would you rather lynch today (2-3 players please)

I'm basing it off my experience in a very large sum of games. New or not it doesn't take a g
Yapyap level player to know that as scum, attention=bad.

I am defending gamefreak because I have him read as a TPR so yeah, I would rather he live.

I would not prefer a Paladin lynch, yet I would still prefer a Lynch among Firebringer and RLVG.

[Toadette]

Jesus that took forever.
I get the posts on me , but i'm a student and it was thursday, so you'll just have to deal with it.

Frog, started posting actively after i left and it pained me to read the posts. To me it simply feels like you are way overdoing the detective role.
For somebody who talks about 'levels' and looking for bread crumbs you didn't see my softclaim in 7 posts ? Thats just pathetic man.
You call a soft claim when somebody simply talks about the role? I didn't read much useful posts here and i felt you were just
steering conversation to everywhere that didn't involve you.


I like this post a lot

ThePaladin

[Frog]

I never said anything about stop hunting. Stop making shit up.
And of course my attitude changed; I was drunk. Now I'm hungover and unwilling to stand anybody's bullshit, for comparison.


Many have said you stink of scum, which isn't really surprising with such quality phrases such as "I'll start writing my last will now" and particularly with your pathetic attempt at trying to deflect protectives towards your useless self. Try fucking harder.

Sen,

1)
To quote Noctiz. Nut up or shut up. If you choose to be a withholding level 4, it's really only for the detriment of the town unless you have good reason to remain silent about reads.

2)
You are EXACTLY playing into the neutral safety net, don't pretend that you and others aren't. The risk is there are already 3 neutrals who would be signaling similarly and be equally useless providing reads, thus narrowing actual scum hunting scope. Not to mention 2 strictly scum players who have no intentions of providing real reads - however if 3/5 of town aren't providing reads, then we'll end up with something like 2 town reads, 2 scum reads, and 2 town-siding neutrals reads. It's just not conducive for a game. I needed to make a point of claiming Town in a neutral heavy setup because there needs to be at least one town leader. The risk is that me be ing town is not common knowledge. Which is why SuperJack and TDL have stepped up. So there, we have me, SJ, and TDL. If you can't recognize the importance of this subtlety, drink some coffee, nurse your hangover and revisit this.

I HOPE I don't die tonight, and by no means will I request a protective, but if I do I want to provide a clear enough framework going forward today, as I will leave in my last will.

Where the fuck is this aggression coming from?

[Toadette]

I'm not even reading Frogs posts anymore

[Toadette]

Frogs probably a neutral tbh. Reminds me of Han

[Sen]

Sen,

1)
To quote Noctiz. Nut up or shut up. If you choose to be a withholding level 4, it's really only for the detriment of the town unless you have good reason to remain silent about reads.

2)
You are EXACTLY playing into the neutral safety net, don't pretend that you and others aren't. The risk is there are already 3 neutrals who would be signaling similarly and be equally useless providing reads, thus narrowing actual scum hunting scope. Not to mention 2 strictly scum players who have no intentions of providing real reads - however if 3/5 of town aren't providing reads, then we'll end up with something like 2 town reads, 2 scum reads, and 2 town-siding neutrals reads. It's just not conducive for a game. I needed to make a point of claiming Town in a neutral heavy setup because there needs to be at least one town leader. The risk is that me be ing town is not common knowledge. Which is why SuperJack and TDL have stepped up. So there, we have me, SJ, and TDL. If you can't recognize the importance of this subtlety, drink some coffee, nurse your hangover and revisit this.
Everyone besides a couple of people have said I'm on their Town list -often at the top-, because I'm obvtown. I don't need safety nets. The scum are a bunch of cowards and I don't fear them.

I never share stupid d1 reads. Stop pretending that it has anything to do with alignment or safety or whatever. Giving fucks is not in my schedule for today.


Where the fuck is this aggression coming from?
As I said; hungover and not in the mood for bullshit thrown my way.

[Frog]

I just got called inexperienced. Never saw it coming.


I'm basing it off my experience in a very large sum of games. New or not it doesn't take a g
Yapyap level player to know that as scum, attention=bad.

I am defending gamefreak because I have him read as a TPR so yeah, I would rather he live.

I would not prefer a Paladin lynch, yet I would still prefer a Lynch among Firebringer and RLVG.

Ok. I just saw GameFreak's join date. I assumed inactive player with no profile pic = new player.

TDL, I wasn't calling you inexperienced, I was (perhaps incorrectly) calling GameFreak inexperienced. By that I mean, the way you went about analyzing GameFreak's play may have given him more credit than deserved.

GameFreak!scum vs. GameFreak!Town
And then sub categories Noob!Scum vs. Pro!Scum and Noob!Town vs. Pro!Town

Immediately the strictly dominated scenarios can be taken out of the equation based on:
1 - contribution - Very Low
2 - Insight on others - It exists however minimal
3 - Insight on Self - Very Low

I wouldn't say that the second category counts as scum hunting because there is no desire to lead, nor any substantive references to back up any points of view. But it at least a reads list exists. (This is the second reads list, look at my joking ISO for his incredibly marginal contribution so far).

So lets put it this way, the player is not seeking attention, the player is not planning on leading, the player doesn't recognize his own contribution (or lackthereof) affect on the game.

I have to categorize him as Noob!Scum.

I won't be changing my vote.

[Frog]

^ Excuse me - the strictly dominated scenario in that matrix was Pro!Town.

So he is either Noob!Town, Noob!Scum, or Pro!Scum.

With the conclusion Noob!Scum being most likely most benefit, least cost

[Frog]

Frogs probably a neutral tbh. Reminds me of Han

Han was Town FFS.

[GameFreak]

Frog is reading Yayap's notes and wants to be IGL. Trying to be a scumleader ?

[Sen]

I'm going out and it's unlikely I'll be back before the day ends. Might be able to read from the phone later, but don't expect more replies from me today.

Later.

[Toadette]

Han was Town FFS.

Nope Han was neutral and trying to fool everyone including himself into thinking he was town - kindanlike what you're trying to do here.

[GameFreak]

Ah whats in a join date amiright.
Low contribution, i can see that. The game launched late and i wasn't at my pc yesterday so its fair to say that.
The thing is, i'm drawing attention to myself. Not many scum do that.
I don't need to exclaim that i'm town and will be its glorious leader, thats not my part to play.
Maybe you read me too shallow.

[Frog]

Nope Han was neutral and trying to fool everyone including himself into thinking he was town - kindanlike what you're trying to do here.

Ah you're right, I was confusing games. I was thinking of the cross community game. You're referencing the last cancelled FM. Lol, RIP.

I'm not corrupt police. I won't be decoying for them either.

[Frog]

Ah whats in a join date amiright.
Low contribution, i can see that. The game launched late and i wasn't at my pc yesterday so its fair to say that.
The thing is, i'm drawing attention to myself. Not many scum do that.
I don't need to exclaim that i'm town and will be its glorious leader, thats not my part to play.
Maybe you read me too shallow.

100% it's a shallow read because that's all I can get off of you. I bet you are one of the 3 neutrals staying out of the fray, and I still haven't seen you say just point blank in a convincing way "I'm Town". Probably not a thief, even less of a chance of corrupt police.

I'd much rather lynch you than Paladin who I don't see as scum.

I'd sooner leave you be if you convincingly exclaimed you were Town, and claimed Town in a manner that is believable and sincere etc. Because even if you are a neut, and you convincingly claim town, you help town by widening the kill pool for scum.

So if you're not going to contribute in depth reads, at least do that much.

[Titus]

Any last questions for me before day end?

[Toadette]

Frog: "if you don't say 'I'm town' I will suspect you"

Mighty fine police work there chief

[Frog]

Any last questions for me before day end?

Others already have, you shrugged it off. The most common criticism of your behviour this game isn't even substantive. It's meta related. You're not playing into your hyper aggressive town role. This isn't even a criticism because you're playing with a majority of players who already recognize that as your town tell so your playing off of that knowledge. I have no complaints.

[Frog]

Frog: "if you don't say 'I'm town' I will suspect you"

Mighty fine police work there chief

You're minimizing the argument.

It's more - whether you are neutral or town, I will suspect you if you don't claim town convincingly based on your behaviour.

Either you are neutral and are not helping town hide. Or you're not even contributing as town actively and may as well volunteer as human meat shield if you want to be useful.

[Titus]

Others already have, you shrugged it off. The most common criticism of your behviour this game isn't even substantive. It's meta related. You're not playing into your hyper aggressive town role. This isn't even a criticism because you're playing with a majority of players who already recognize that as your town tell so your playing off of that knowledge. I have no complaints.

I wasn't asking for complaints. I was asking for questions for me.

[GameFreak]

Frog, it's not hard to gain suspicion in this forum. And some roles like to have suspicion on them,thrive on it.
So no i wont claim town, and i'll stop now before everybody knows my role.

[Frog]

Also @Toadette

You scum read GameFreak previously but never pursued it. Now with this opportunity you buy the crumb soft claim remark instead of pursuing this player.

I can't say this is un i que behavior, and this is going to be yet ANOTHER time I'm going to accuse you of white knighting.

[Frog]

I wasn't asking for complaints. I was asking for questions for me.

Yeah ok. I'll bite.

Do you have any pending questions for other players?

Particularly for DarknessB and Toadette.

[Titus]

Yeah ok. I'll bite.

Do you have any pending questions for other players?

Particularly for DarknessB and Toadette.

Toadette I am townreading pretty solidly atm. The only questions I would have for her would be seeking to prove it, but having my townread be scumread a little bit helps them not be night killed.

DarknessB I need to see more from to even get an idea what questions to ask.

[Frog]

I guess for everyone here, but mostly Toadette.

Have you noticed SuperJack's line of questioning almost entirely revolves around CorruptPolice and Banker? Does that strike you as odd?

[Frog]

Toadette I am townreading pretty solidly atm. The only questions I would have for her would be seeking to prove it, but having my townread be scumread a little bit helps them not be night killed.

DarknessB I need to see more from to even get an idea what questions to ask.

DarknessB I'd like to hear his revised thoughts about Paladin and GameFreak. I haven't seen any firm commitment from him today.

[Toadette]

You're minimizing the argument.

It's more - whether you are neutral or town, I will suspect you if you don't claim town convincingly based on your behaviour.

Either you are neutral and are not helping town hide. Or you're not even contributing as town actively and may as well volunteer as human meat shield if you want to be useful.

So you admit to role hunting? Looking for the meat shields to claim?


Also @Toadette

You scum read GameFreak previously but never pursued it. Now with this opportunity you buy the crumb soft claim remark instead of pursuing this player.

I can't say this is un i que behavior, and this is going to be yet ANOTHER time I'm going to accuse you of white knighting.

Its like I said, no matter what I do you will accuse me of being scum. Either bussing or I'm white knighting. Mighty fine police work indeed.

[Frog]

Just going to drop SuperJack's ISO for this game right here:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=811844

Up until I came into the thread most viewed SJ as scummy. Until I made a point to defend him, some others jumped on the SJ is Town train.

[Frog]

Fuck, that's not his ISO for this game. It's all his forum posts. FML.

I fucked up, Sorry Calix

[Damus_Graves]

I was under the impression that paladin is experienced. Am i wrong?

[Frog]

I was under the impression that paladin is experienced. Am i wrong?

I'm not sure. I understood he scum slipped in his last two games but I don't know his experience level outside of this site.

[Toadette]

I was under the impression that paladin is experienced. Am i wrong?

This is his fourth or fifth game here I believe.

[RLVG]

I fucked up, Sorry Calix

Lol, no forum links.

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This game is oddly tame and active, can't wait for the holocaust that is Day 2.

[Damus_Graves]

Frog why do you sound aggressive to everyone

[Damus_Graves]

This is his fourth or fifth game here I believe.

That's experienced enough to suggest paladin is banker based on his posts.
(I am not basing this solely on his greed focus. But rather the pov of his text)

[Damus_Graves]

Welcome back RLVG. Still think me scum?

[RLVG]

Welcome back RLVG. Still think me scum?

Why not?

[Frog]

Frog why do you sound aggressive to everyone

Mostly to bully reactions and conversations. It's just a playstyle.

Definitely not because I'm attracting aggro.

[Damus_Graves]

I think you are going to deep in wifom levels. With me its justified and I understand but I don't think SJ is playing that deep

[Damus_Graves]

Why not?

Good :)

[Damus_Graves]

Only frog fire myself and sen are playing the wifom game

[RLVG]

Only frog fire myself and sen are playing the wifom game

Don't forget me and my Arsonist Illuminati Potato claim.

[Titus]

I guess for everyone here, but mostly Toadette.

Have you noticed SuperJack's line of questioning almost entirely revolves around CorruptPolice and Banker? Does that strike you as odd?



Yes. Like I said before. If paladin hadn't slipped, I would be there with you.

[Titus]

Don't forget me and my Arsonist Illuminati Potato claim.


And I am the fairy godmother.

[Frog]

I just realized TDL glossed over a hard read on SJ.

TDL - thoughts on SJ?

[TheDarkestLight]

I just realized TDL glossed over a hard read on SJ.

TDL - thoughts on SJ?

I put him in the same category as Darkness, he isn't at the same level, but I find his contribution lackluster.

[Frog]

GameFreak is playing lame in the sense that he is playing the dead fish in water, doesn't want to contribute, doesn't want to hard town claim, just blah. I really don't like it but I can see how I may be underestimating him.

I also understand some motivation behind continuing on the Paladin train.

On to a real lynch candidate we should consider other than Paladin for a straddle.

SuperJack

[Frog]

RLVG, and TDL - help consolidate these wagons.

[Toadette]

GameFreak is playing lame in the sense that he is playing the dead fish in water, doesn't want to contribute, doesn't want to hard town claim, just blah. I really don't like it but I can see how I may be underestimating him.

I also understand some motivation behind continuing on the Paladin train.

On to a real lynch candidate we should consider other than Paladin for a straddle.

SuperJack

So your town read of SuperJack was bullshit? Sounds like Frog alright.

[Frog]

Yes. Like I said before. If paladin hadn't slipped, I would be there with you.

I know the post you're referencing, but I feel like it's more of a semantics lynch than anything. Now that he's claimed citizen there's only upswing for scum and neuts to pile on easy wagon Paladin.

[Frog]

So your town read of SuperJack was bullshit? Sounds like Frog alright.

Lol yes. From my last will:

Frog I am starting to think you are town and making up half the shit you say.
This. Particularly for the SJ is Town reactions.

Post taken from around the 520's

I have some conclusions from it I'm playing close for now.

[TheDarkestLight]

RLVG, and TDL - help consolidate these wagons.

Telling me to consolidate with a scum read. Why don't you consolidate my wagon?

[RLVG]

RLVG, and TDL - help consolidate these wagons.

Pally's claim isn't adequate and I tunnel Damus.

[NAY]

[Toadette]

Frog: "no silly gambits from me today guys"

Proceeds to make a stupid play like fake town read SuperJack when he scum reads him

Gets in a spat with fire briner when fire calls him out on his bullshit

Pro town play all around!

[Frog]

Telling me to consolidate with a scum read. Why don't you consolidate my wagon?

Because Fire called me on a lot of bullshit posts and spoke out against Town!SJ.

[Frog]

Pally's claim isn't adequate and I tunnel Damus.

[NAY]

Damus isn't worth pursuing today, at all.


"Level 1: person is straight and has no double meanings.. what he says is what he means."
This matches with your A. Damus is scum.

"Level 5: decoy person.. someone who will convey info that someone else wants to share but is a high priority target for scum. Like a citizen claiming to be jailor to relay info the jailor told him."
Damus is decoying for real scum so he wastes TPR actions and isn't killed by thieves tonight. He is signaling a soft-claim Thief aligned role (Banker presumably). He will make himself a primary target for Neutral Killer however.

"Level 6: decoy lvl2 person.. similar to Level 5 but without direct contact with the other person. This is mostly analyzers who read between the lines and catch on to something that someone is trying to silently leak out without out most people seeing it. "
Damus is decoying before the real Banker can decoy, thus disallowing any soft banker claims from night protection from Thieves. Judging by his behavior to lynch Paladin who he believes is neut and possibly Banker, I can assume Damus is either Town or the Neutral Killer himself (considering both of these are actively trying to kill the banker ASAP).



Damn you Damus.

Couple that with Post# 537

[Toadette]

I'm really annoyed right now if Frog is town that he didn't push SuperJack when he initially scum read him and when my vote was on him

This is sounding more and more like Han. Pretty convinced Frog is a neutral. He's not serious about pegging scum.

[DarknessB]

I have maybe an hour while I eat lunch before I start getting slammed with work again... I'm guessing some of you have questions for me -- please post them directly here. I plan to catch up on the thread more once this crazy stretch passes.

[DarknessB]

Looking at the votes, I can get behind a Paladin lynch. I don't subscribe to "too scummy to be scum" and he's made all sorts of questionable allusions to being neutral. I don't see the point in making yourself a magnet for attention that way unless you have some anti-Town motivations at the best.

[Sen]

It seems I'll be able to see the day through its end after all. Fuck banks.

So Frog, you repeated over and over how SuperJack was Town, because reasons, and now try to push a train on him with only a couple of hours left for discussion and half of the playyers away. So much for being the most super Townie McTown around.

[DarknessB]

That's experienced enough to suggest paladin is banker based on his posts.
(I am not basing this solely on his greed focus. But rather the pov of his text)

I agree with this. There's just something that doesn't come off Town-oriented in terms of how he posts. Plus, the attempts to distract conversation don't seem to come from a place of Townsidedness. Not that I want to go meta here, but Paladin strikes me as the type to take risks when he's scum -- indicative with several other games. His Town play tends to be a little more sedate, at least from what I recall. Sort of like a reverse Firebringer (who tends to be more hyperactive when he's Town than scum).

[Sen]

I have maybe an hour while I eat lunch before I start getting slammed with work again... I'm guessing some of you have questions for me -- please post them directly here. I plan to catch up on the thread more once this crazy stretch passes.

Why don't you contribute something of your own instead of simply expecting us to lead the conversation for you?

[Toadette]

I agree with this. There's just something that doesn't come off Town-oriented in terms of how he posts. Plus, the attempts to distract conversation don't seem to come from a place of Townsidedness. Not that I want to go meta here, but Paladin strikes me as the type to take risks when he's scum -- indicative with several other games. His Town play tends to be a little more sedate, at least from what I recall. Sort of like a reverse Firebringer (who tends to be more hyperactive when he's Town than scum).

His only town game was his first game so I feel this assessment is lacking.

[DarknessB]

Frog, it's not hard to gain suspicion in this forum. And some roles like to have suspicion on them,thrive on it.
So no i wont claim town, and i'll stop now before everybody knows my role.

What wait -- you're refusing to claim Town? *Downgrades read on GameFreak*

[DarknessB]

Why don't you contribute something of your own instead of simply expecting us to lead the conversation for you?

I'm going through and responding to posts...

[Frog]

I'm really annoyed right now if Frog is town that he didn't push SuperJack when he initially scum read him and when my vote was on him

This is sounding more and more like Han. Pretty convinced Frog is a neutral. He's not serious about pegging scum.

Lol. Don't get mad. Take this opportunity now. I'm revealing this information now rather than later so you understand my genuine plays. If you still believe SuperJack is scum, let's make it happen. In what ways do you see Paladin as scum?

(That game you're referencing... I outted 9 scum including opposing town-aligned scum, non-town aligned scum from both sides but mostly opposing in one day.)

[DarknessB]

His only town game was his first game so I feel this assessment is lacking.

That's actually a fair point I had forgotten about -- noted.

[Sen]

Let's not start yet another meta circlejerk. If anyone wants ThePaladin to live, feel free to point out a single time where you can see him scumhunting or moving the discussion towards something benefitial for the Town.

His argument for spamming and being useless was that it was all his WIFOMASTER 9000 plan, because he's a Citizen. If you adhere to this idea, then point out how making himself look like scum makes any sort of sense from a Citizen's perspective.

I don't like all of the "ThePaladin is Town because reasons" excuses.

[Toadette]

Lol. Don't get mad. Take this opportunity now. I'm revealing this information now rather than later so you understand my genuine plays. If you still believe SuperJack is scum, let's make it happen. In what ways do you see Paladin as scum?

(That game you're referencing... I outted 9 scum including opposing town-aligned scum, non-town aligned scum from both sides but mostly opposing in one day.)

Anyone can state bullshit made up fake reads and then back off of them and claim them as a gambit or fishing for reactions when popular opinion turns against their shitty play. More and more people have stated that your play doesn't seem genuine or make sense. Convenient for you to change gears and claim that was all bullshit by design.

[DarknessB]

Why does Darkness need to talk more and participate, when you don't want to throw anything into the game? I mean, you are discussing but you aren't giving thoughts on players.

Its essentially active lurking.

This is a fair point -- we have a big problem with equating posting of any kind to making contributions. Similar to Sen's post telling me to respond to other posts vs. asking me any question he had. I've been guilty of this thought pattern myself (before Toadette mentions that, lol).

[Frog]

It seems I'll be able to see the day through its end after all. Fuck banks.

So Frog, you repeated over and over how SuperJack was Town, because reasons, and now try to push a train on him with only a couple of hours left for discussion and half of the playyers away. So much for being the most super Townie McTown around.

Would you have rather I be like you, rlvg, etc. refusing to explain reads, much less plays?

Would you prefer I withhold my reasoning for a later time or do it now when there's no spotlight on me?

Can you understand WHY I'm explaining this NOW rather than LATER? (I'm not just talking about timing for credibility, I'm also referencing the fact that I think I'm dying tonight and I recognize the potential for my last will to be altered. Especially after I've mentioned my last will for about 10 posts now).

[DarknessB]

Let's not start yet another meta circlejerk. If anyone wants ThePaladin to live, feel free to point out a single time where you can see him scumhunting or moving the discussion towards something benefitial for the Town.

His argument for spamming and being useless was that it was all his WIFOMASTER 9000 plan, because he's a Citizen. If you adhere to this idea, then point out how making himself look like scum makes any sort of sense from a Citizen's perspective.

I don't like all of the "ThePaladin is Town because reasons" excuses.

Agreed -- I don't buy that a Citizen's goal is to act deliberately scummy under any sort of logical WIFOM. In what universe would that motivate the scum to target him (which is basically the entire point of a Citizen)? If anything, they would appreciate the distraction.

[Toadette]

Let's not start yet another meta circlejerk. If anyone wants ThePaladin to live, feel free to point out a single time where you can see him scumhunting or moving the discussion towards something benefitial for the Town.

His argument for spamming and being useless was that it was all his WIFOMASTER 9000 plan, because he's a Citizen. If you adhere to this idea, then point out how making himself look like scum makes any sort of sense from a Citizen's perspective.

I don't like all of the "ThePaladin is Town because reasons" excuses.

I agree, there is 0 reason for Paladin not to hang. Even though I have a scum read on SuperJack as well, the time for switching votes around has passed.

[Frog]

Anyone can state bullshit made up fake reads and then back off of them and claim them as a gambit or fishing for reactions when popular opinion turns against their shitty play. More and more people have stated that your play doesn't seem genuine or make sense. Convenient for you to change gears and claim that was all bullshit by design.

By no means am I in anyone's spotlight, especially at the moment. This isn't a move out of convenience or pressure. When you questioned me last I revealed a piece of my last will as a sign of good faith. Take it or leave it.

[Sen]

Would you have rather I be like you, rlvg, etc. refusing to explain reads, much less plays?

Would you prefer I withhold my reasoning for a later time or do it now when there's no spotlight on me?

Can you understand WHY I'm explaining this NOW rather than LATER? (I'm not just talking about timing for credibility, I'm also referencing the fact that I think I'm dying tonight and I recognize the potential for my last will to be altered. Especially after I've mentioned my last will for about 10 posts now).

So you think you are dying tonight and decide that two hours before the deadline is the right time to say that what you've been saying earlier is all bullshit and that we should lynch SuperJack, and expect us to follow, because as you make sure to state in every single post, you're like omg super townie and are getting killed and have a last will and shit.

[DarknessB]

Would you have rather I be like you, rlvg, etc. refusing to explain reads, much less plays?

Would you prefer I withhold my reasoning for a later time or do it now when there's no spotlight on me?

Can you understand WHY I'm explaining this NOW rather than LATER? (I'm not just talking about timing for credibility, I'm also referencing the fact that I think I'm dying tonight and I recognize the potential for my last will to be altered. Especially after I've mentioned my last will for about 10 posts now).

Mind you, if you really think you will die tonight, you can post additional parts of your Last Will before day end? Also, it's Day 1 so I doubt anyone has anything gamebreaking at this point? It's all just reads and speculation.

[Frog]

Make a new argument or stop bitching. We all have the ability to lynch anyone at this point with the players CURRENTLY on.

I'm actually glad you're here Sen, particularly to understand you're a dog who bites on a bone and never backs off. You're like a homing missle with tunnel vision of certainty. Your refusal of a reads list was suspicious enough. You like where this day is heading and don't feel the need to involve yourself in anything more.

Make a stance on SuperJack before day is done. I'm taking your dog with a bone vote on Paladin as you support SuperJack.

[Toadette]

By no means am I in anyone's spotlight, especially at the moment. This isn't a move out of convenience or pressure. When you questioned me last I revealed a piece of my last will as a sign of good faith. Take it or leave it.

Wrong. You don't have votes on you but Fire and I both called you out on your bullshit followed by the following:


I never said anything about stop hunting. Stop making shit up.
And of course my attitude changed; I was drunk. Now I'm hungover and unwilling to stand anybody's bullshit, for comparison.


Many have said you stink of scum, which isn't really surprising with such quality phrases such as "I'll start writing my last will now" and particularly with your pathetic attempt at trying to deflect protectives towards your useless self. Try fucking harder.

This was in response to Frog


Frog is reading Yayap's notes and wants to be IGL. Trying to be a scumleader ?

GameFreak makes a long post and references things he doesn't like about Frog, follows it up with this


Yeah, still not seeing how GF is scum.

Also, Frog... You're not hot shit.

TDL speaking up.against Frog, this post is followed up by an argument with him that you can read in the pages that follow

Thiose quotes are just on recent pages. Then you decide to switch gears? Not buying this as a town play.

[Frog]

Mind you, if you really think you will die tonight, you can post additional parts of your Last Will before day end? Also, it's Day 1 so I doubt anyone has anything gamebreaking at this point? It's all just reads and speculation.

Relevant Excerpt:

-----

RLVG -
Post #495 - puts SJ at Null, disagrees with my town read

Firebringer -
Post #524 - Hates that SJ gets town read


Frog I am starting to think you are town and making up half the shit you say.
This. Particularly for the SJ is Town reactions.

Damus -
Post #537 - disagrees on SJ town read. Not analytical, active, or scum hunting.


Obviously banker is going to target Damus, Fire, or RLVG - from what I gather so far. I'm on page 7
These are my Town reads.

Noctiz -
Post #607
"Fire and RLVG are thieves and want Lost Customer to join their bond? I'll believe it.

Atm TDL and Sen are my top town reads. Followed by SJ, Titus, Toadette, Paladin. After that it's Damus_Graves, Frog, Gamefreak, RLVG and Firebringer on the scummiest level. Anyone I forgot? Hopefully not."
I understand he was focused on RLVG's gambit revolving publicly allying Firebringer in day chat and that reciprocal nature, but I think Noctiz got this wrong. Noctiz, although wrong, and although he gives a slight bump to SJ on the town reads, I feel is actively following the game and pushing. I'll slight town read Noctiz with a nod to True neutral.

TDL gets into a vs. with RLVG

[DarknessB]

Make a new argument or stop bitching. We all have the ability to lynch anyone at this point with the players CURRENTLY on.

I'm actually glad you're here Sen, particularly to understand you're a dog who bites on a bone and never backs off. You're like a homing missle with tunnel vision of certainty. Your refusal of a reads list was suspicious enough. You like where this day is heading and don't feel the need to involve yourself in anything more.

Make a stance on SuperJack before day is done. I'm taking your dog with a bone vote on Paladin as you support SuperJack.

Sure, SuperJack has been useless and trolly. ThePaladin has been useless, disruptive, and has made allusions to being Neutral / the Banker. The latter seems far more dangerous to me than the former.

[Toadette]

Make a new argument or stop bitching. We all have the ability to lynch anyone at this point with the players CURRENTLY on.

I'm actually glad you're here Sen, particularly to understand you're a dog who bites on a bone and never backs off. You're like a homing missle with tunnel vision of certainty. Your refusal of a reads list was suspicious enough. You like where this day is heading and don't feel the need to involve yourself in anything more.

Make a stance on SuperJack before day is done. I'm taking your dog with a bone vote on Paladin as you support SuperJack.

Someone isn't reacting well to scrutiny on him.

[Toadette]

The second part of the sen post I quoted above pertains to frog. I probably should have shortened it

[Sen]

Make a new argument or stop bitching. We all have the ability to lynch anyone at this point with the players CURRENTLY on.
Don't need to bring new arguments when my current ones are uncontested.


I'm actually glad you're here Sen, particularly to understand you're a dog who bites on a bone and never backs off. You're like a homing missle with tunnel vision of certainty. Your refusal of a reads list was suspicious enough. You like where this day is heading and don't feel the need to involve yourself in anything more.
I'm involved, which is patent by the fact that I'm slapping your attempts at derailing the votes at the very last moment, and on a player who isn't even online, nontheless.


Make a stance on SuperJack before day is done. I'm taking your dog with a bone vote on Paladin as you support SuperJack.
Yeah, I'm voting ThePaladin to save him, because you're oh, mighty Town and I fear you're going to lynch my scumbuddy. It obviously has nothing to do with me being the first to call out ThePaladin, the first to vote him, and the one to push the hardest for him to hang. Yeah. (:

[Frog]

Wrong. You don't have votes on you but Fire and I both called you out on your bullshit followed by the following:



This was in response to Frog



GameFreak makes a long post and references things he doesn't like about Frog, follows it up with this



TDL speaking up.against Frog, this post is followed up by an argument with him that you can read in the pages that follow

Thiose quotes are just on recent pages. Then you decide to switch gears? Not buying this as a town play.

Toadette. I have absolutely zero pressure. All of your references are not genuine suspicion which you seem to be confusing with convenient suspicion used by both town and scum. Town sees me as town and will say they suspect me so I won't be targeted. Scum pile on to create a change in mindset they believe will become subliminal. In either case, there is absolutely zero pressure on me at this time.

[Sen]

As for a stance on SuperJack, he's contributed jackshit (pun entirelly intended) and couldn't care less about what happens to him. He's anti-town. Why am I voting ThePaladin instead? Because ThePaladin's claim makes no sense at all, and because on day 1, I like to trust my gut before my head gets in the way.

[Toadette]

Frog why do you want to lynch an unclaimed player with two hours left? Isn't it "poor form" to switch votes and lunch someone without giving them a chance to claim?

You're horrendous if you're town, which I suspect you aren't of course.

[Toadette]

Toadette. I have absolutely zero pressure. All of your references are not genuine suspicion which you seem to be confusing with convenient suspicion used by both town and scum. Town sees me as town and will say they suspect me so I won't be targeted. Scum pile on to create a change in mindset they believe will become subliminal. In either case, there is absolutely zero pressure on me at this time.

You may not have pressure but more andore people are acknowledging your bullshit as just that. Its a convenient narrative to change to fit the comments.

[DarknessB]

You may not have pressure but more andore people are acknowledging your bullshit as just that. Its a convenient narrative to change to fit the comments.

At the very least, the odd fixation on SuperJack is beginning to stick out a lot more, especially given the time in the day and the fact that he is nowhere in sight. AFK lynching rarely works out well.

[Frog]

Frog why do you want to lynch an unclaimed player with two hours left? Isn't it "poor form" to switch votes and lunch someone without giving them a chance to claim?

You're horrendous if you're town, which I suspect you aren't of course.

SuperJack will be on before end of day. We have wagons small enough to change as we need. You all act as though you've never changed wagons at the last minute before. Titus knows what I mean.

I was calling mostly upon players who were not on the paladin wagon to create a straddle instead of scattered votes of no consequential pressure + assured lynch. We may as well have ended the day 24 hours ago.

[Frog]

You may not have pressure but more andore people are acknowledging your bullshit as just that. Its a convenient narrative to change to fit the comments.

I'm literally every players top town read because I'm confirmed town. You're talking out of your ass. I'm even your top town read.

[DarknessB]

SuperJack will be on before end of day. We have wagons small enough to change as we need. You all act as though you've never changed wagons at the last minute before. Titus knows what I mean.

I was calling mostly upon players who were not on the paladin wagon to create a straddle instead of scattered votes of no consequential pressure + assured lynch. We may as well have ended the day 24 hours ago.

EOD is only like 1:45 away -- I don't necessarily think he's going to be back in that time period, why would you assume that? And yes, last minute wagon changes happen, but typically it requires some sort of massive scum slip or big time revelation, not merely based on speculation on an AFKish player.

[Toadette]

I'm literally every players top town read because I'm confirmed town. You're talking out of your ass. I'm even your top town read.

LOL everyone's top town read. You're more delusional than fire briner.

[Sen]

LOL everyone's top town read. You're more delusional than fire briner.
He's gonna prove it by dying tonight. He's got a last will and all.

[Toadette]

He's gonna prove it by dying tonight. He's got a last will and all.

And when he doesn't die he'll proclaim it's cause he WIFOM'd his way out of death, that's he's done with his gambits, and then proceed to play 17 more gambits and sub gambits, distract everyone, and proclaim himself kingnof the jews

[Frog]

And when he doesn't die he'll proclaim it's cause he WIFOM'd his way out of death, that's he's done with his gambits, and then proceed to play 17 more gambits and sub gambits, distract everyone, and proclaim himself kingnof the jews

I'm skeptical as to how Toadette is privy to this knowledge. #HardSuspicion

[Toadette]

Trust in the Frog with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Frog, and depart from evil.

It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

Honour the Frog with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

My son, despise not the chastening of the Frog; neither be weary of his correction:

For whom the Frog loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

[Frog]

Question to the audience.

Does anyone seriously believe there's a RLVG-Fire connection?

I'm referencing Fire's page 5 town read on RLVG and RLVG saying he would lost customer Fire. Among other support back and forth.

[Toadette]

Question to the audience.

Does anyone seriously believe there's a RLVG-Fire connection?

I'm referencing Fire's page 5 town read on RLVG and RLVG saying he would lost customer Fire. Among other support back and forth.

I don't do pre-flip associations as you are aware.

[Frog]

Trust in the Frog with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Frog, and depart from evil.

It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

Honour the Frog with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

My son, despise not the chastening of the Frog; neither be weary of his correction:

For whom the Frog loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Lol. So this is your signal to your teammate that you're going to be the one writing my eulogy? Lol. Nice.

[Sen]

That's Proverbs 3:5+, you heathen.
Ad what Toadette said; pre-flip associations are lel.

[Frog]

Meh, I'm an analytical player like you guys but I also dabble in mechanical associations.

[Toadette]

Meh, I'm an analytical player like you guys but I also dabble in mechanical associations.

Nothing is wrong with analyzing associations, but doing that pre-flip and letting that affect your reads is very poor play, because you're scum reading one played based on their "association" with another player when one or both may be town. That's why I'm against it, countless times people have pre-flip associated me with bussing a scum mate, and have tunneled onto that creating a false lead, like in the last game we played together where you were scum and I wasn't.

[NoctiZ]

Question to the audience.

Does anyone seriously believe there's a RLVG-Fire connection?

I'm referencing Fire's page 5 town read on RLVG and RLVG saying he would lost customer Fire. Among other support back and forth.

I do not, and I was joking about believing it. I'm seriously questioning you so hard because you were taking anything I said at the beginning of the day as hard truth. Makes my head shake.

I'd also like to throw in that you're not among my top town reads Frog, sorry to disappoint.

[NoctiZ]

Oh yeah

ThePaladin

[Calix]

This is a notice to state that all night actions have been locked.

1 hour to lynch.

Nobody is in any danger of being replaced or modkilled.

[ThePaladin]

The lawyer night action will happen after the lynch correct?

[Frog]

The lawyer night action will happen after the lynch correct?

Lmfao.

ThePaladin

Well that was easy

[ThePaladin]

Friendly Reminder: Framer in this setup frames 2 people each night so any alignment lead will most likely be wrong.

[ThePaladin]

Lmfao.

ThePaladin

Well that was easy

Yes because I would totally ask about my super-scum role in open chat;
BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO AS SCUM

Totally not jester btw :P

[NoctiZ]

Inb4 he's the Jester

I'd laugh

laugh a lot

[NoctiZ]

Yes because I would totally ask about my super-scum role in open chat;
BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO AS SCUM

Totally not jester btw :P

Whoa mate, you beat me to it. inb4'd my inb4

[ThePaladin]

Inb4 he's the Jester

I'd laugh

laugh a lot

I wish I was.

[DarknessB]

Yes because I would totally ask about my super-scum role in open chat;
BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO AS SCUM

Totally not jester btw :P

When you have seven votes on you with less than an hour to go, there's not much that doesn't seem like a potentially good idea? :)

[Frog]

The Jester defense incoming.

[Sen]

Inb4 he's the Jester

I'd laugh

laugh a lot

I've been considering this possibility since the start; it'd really explain the shitty behaviour.
That said, I stated I'm out of fucks to give.

ThePaladin

[ThePaladin]

The Jester defense incoming.

I'm known for changing the lynch train in the last hour, y'know.

Too lazy to do it this time.

[Frog]

Jester:
pick fight against rage players
claim being the host
being a immature yeller
The Jester Rests

[Calix]

The lawyer night action will happen after the lynch correct?

Yes.

[Sen]

I'm known for changing the lynch train in the last hour, y'know.

Too lazy to do it this time.
Except that time you weren't the one being voted and not many were content with the current candidate. The lynch went through at the end anyway.

[DarknessB]

I'm known for changing the lynch train in the last hour, y'know.

Too lazy to do it this time.

True, but usually you manage to change the lynch train at the end of a day from someone else to YOURSELF through some epic scum slip. The other way around is a little bit harder.

[NoctiZ]

I've been considering this possibility since the start; it'd really explain the shitty behaviour.
That said, I stated I'm out of fucks to give.

ThePaladin

There's always the possibility so we must never succumb to this fear! Town stronk! Scum baaaad!

Besides, I like to believe that Paladin did try not to get lynched so I believe the Jester possibility is low

[ThePaladin]

True, but usually you manage to change the lynch train at the end of a day from someone else to YOURSELF through some epic scum slip. The other way around is a little bit harder.

Mafiawars d1 almost worked; PM 2.0 d2 almost worked.

[ThePaladin]

There's always the possibility so we must never succumb to this fear! Town stronk! Scum baaaad!

Besides, I like to believe that Paladin did try not to get lynched so I believe the Jester possibility is low

I am not jester. I am not a neut. Me not claiming neut as jester doesn't even make sense to me.

[ThePaladin]

Hmmm maybe I should do something to get modkilled and start a new train.

[Sen]

There's always the possibility so we must never succumb to this fear! Town stronk! Scum baaaad!
Yup. Only scum would want to stay away from a lynch in fear of a Jester, since one scum suicide means either 100% or 50% of their whole team, while a Town suicide is a smaller hit.

[Frog]

There's always the possibility so we must never succumb to this fear! Town stronk! Scum baaaad!

Besides, I like to believe that Paladin did try not to get lynched so I believe the Jester possibility is low

I think you know why this possiblity is low

[DarknessB]

Mafiawars d1 almost worked; PM 2.0 d2 almost worked.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades though.

[ThePaladin]

Yup. Only scum would want to stay away from a lynch in fear of a Jester, since one scum suicide means either 100% or 50% of their whole team, while a Town suicide is a smaller hit.

Probability says its more likely to hit not them. Gambler fallacy lel.

[Frog]

Yup. Only scum would want to stay away from a lynch in fear of a Jester, since one scum suicide means either 100% or 50% of their whole team, while a Town suicide is a smaller hit.

^This

You jumped from slight town to town

[Frog]

Hmmm maybe I should do something to get modkilled and start a new train.

I think Damus tried to get you modkilled for lols earlier by asking you to quote your rolecard. :-D

[Toadette]

^This

You jumped from slight town to town

"I agree with your statement so you must be town. See I'm helping!"

[ThePaladin]

I think Damus tried to get you modkilled for lols earlier by asking you to quote your rolecard. :-D

Can someone link me a good gif to get modkilled over?

[NoctiZ]

I think you know why this possiblity is low

Yeah honestly I told you I'm Jester but you chose not to believe so now I'm playing it as if I'm town. Your loss for not trusting me

[ThePaladin]

"I agree with your statement so you must be town. See I'm helping!"

Also yeah, scum-sen does stuff like that all the time; any reads off of basis of teams wanting jester is gamblers fallacy and wifoming,

[Toadette]

Can someone link me a good gif to get modkilled over?

If you were serious about this plan you wouldn't keep teasing us with it and would get on with it

[RLVG]

I'm referencing Fire's page 5 town read on RLVG and RLVG saying he would lost customer Fire. Among other support back and forth.

About that, I never said I would lost customer Fire lol.


Can someone link me a good gif to get modkilled over?

Donald Duck's "FUCK EVERYTHING".

Why am I promoting modkill? :facepalm:

[Toadette]

Also yeah, scum-sen does stuff like that all the time; any reads off of basis of teams wanting jester is gamblers fallacy and wifoming,

I was quoting frog

[ThePaladin]

If you were serious about this plan you wouldn't keep teasing us with it and would get on with it

We would need to decide who you guys train afterwards if i'm going to do it as well.

[Sen]

It seems we got a new Hypersniper in the house. eew.

[ThePaladin]

About that, I never said I would lost customer Fire lol.



Donald Duck's "FUCK EVERYTHING".

Why am I promoting modkill? :facepalm:

That's not a link to it.

[Toadette]

We would need to decide who you guys train afterwards if i'm going to do it as well.

If you were serooua about this plan you would stop teasing us with it and get on with it

My point is you're not serious about this plan

[RLVG]

That's not a link to it.

Bitch, this ain't dark souls where you try to bait me to fall into the lava.

[ThePaladin]

It seems we got a new Hypersniper in the house. eew.

I am firebringer's alter-ego.

[Frog]

I haven't showered in a week :toadette:

Gross. Scum tell.

[Toadette]

That's not a link to it.

You're trying to get others modkilled instead of you? lololololol

[ThePaladin]

If I get modkilled do I still get points for team-victory?

[ThePaladin]

You're trying to get others modkilled instead of you? lololololol

SHHHH

[Toadette]

Bitch, this ain't dark souls where you try to bait me to fall into the lava.

We need a public "like" feature here

[DarknessB]

If you were serooua about this plan you would stop teasing us with it and get on with it

My point is you're not serious about this plan

Agreed with Toadette here. If you're modkilled, you're out of the game, docked points, and it's as if you never played -- so nothing from that point would matter. I feel like you are posturing in the hopes of getting people to change their votes.

[RLVG]

If I get modkilled do I still get points for team-victory?

No. Modkill and replacement invalidates it and usually gives a penalty.

[Calix]

Modkilled players do not get points for victory.

[DarknessB]

If I get modkilled do I still get points for team-victory?

Nope, in fact, you lose points (-1) and you might get punished by Orpz. Getting yourself modkilled is NOT a strategy man.

[Toadette]

If I get modkilled do I still get points for team-victory?

This game is off the ladder noob


SHHHH

lol yep trying to be jester now

[ThePaladin]

No. Modkill and replacement invalidates it and usually gives a penalty.

Whelp so much for that idea.

[GameFreak]

30 mins , i'm curious how everything will turn out since actions are locked now.

[Toadette]

Whelp so much for that idea.

You were never serious about it in the first place.

[DarknessB]

This game is off the ladder noob



lol yep trying to be jester now

He could still be punished for breaking site rules though, regardless of whether the game is on the ladder or not.

[ThePaladin]

This game is off the ladder noob



lol yep trying to be jester now

Is it really off the ladder?
I have nothing to lose then!

[ThePaladin]

He could still be punished for breaking site rules though, regardless of whether the game is on the ladder or not.

Aww shucks....

[Frog]

And I haven't brushed my teeth for a week either :muk:

:facepalm: This is disgusting Toadette

[RLVG]

You were never serious about it in the first place.

Correction, he was serious about not being serious on his nonchalant modkill idea.

[ThePaladin]

I also like how no one noticed that I just said I had a team.

[DarknessB]

Is it really off the ladder?
I have nothing to lose then!

Any S-FM on this site is subject to Orpz's jurisdiction. Just because the game isn't on the ladder doesn't mean you can't still be punished in terms of suspension, etc. especially given the amount of intent you've now shown through all these posts.

[Frog]

So Paladin, any last words before your send off?

[Sen]

Is it really off the ladder?
I have nothing to lose then!

Expect people knowing you're Hypersniper 2.0 and perma blacklisting you from here and on.

[RLVG]

:facepalm: This is disgusting Toadette

I haven't brushed my teeth in three years, so that makes me worse than Toadette.

Oh wait.

I superspray my teeth instead with hydro pistols with included anti-bacterial. :troll:

[ThePaladin]

So Paladin, any last words before your send off?

Firebringer is Town-Leader.

[ThePaladin]

So Paladin, any last words before your send off?

Seriously though, pratically everything i feel like saying is covered in my lw

[RLVG]

Firebringer is Town-Leader.

Paladin, did your class get nerfed? Your salt is larger than the room you're in.

[Frog]

I also like how no one noticed that I just said I had a team.

You went from citizen claim, to lawyer claim, to desperate jester claim. You going down. This is not a deterrent.

[DarknessB]

Seriously though, pratically everything i feel like saying is covered in my lw

Might as well paste it so we can use this half hour other than for shitposting.

[ThePaladin]

You went from citizen claim, to lawyer claim, to desperate jester claim. You going down. This is not a deterrent.

Because making sure lawyer can't change my lw is totally a lawyer claim.

[RLVG]

You went from citizen claim, to lawyer claim, to desperate jester claim. You going down. This is not a deterrent.

I don't think he claimed Lawyer, but insinuated about the possibility of his LW being manipulated.

[Sen]

ThisIsTheDeadSeaTheSaltiestPlaceOnEarthNextToYourB itchAss.png

The no images rule is killing me.

[Frog]

Might as well paste it so we can use this half hour other than for shitposting.

100%

Post it.

[ThePaladin]

ThisIsTheDeadSeaTheSaltiestPlaceOnEarthNextToYourB itchAss.png

The no images rule is killing me.

...modkilling you...?

[DarknessB]

ThisIsTheDeadSeaTheSaltiestPlaceOnEarthNextToYourB itchAss.png

The no images rule is killing me.

The solution is ASCII art, Sen -- nothing in the rule against that.

[Toadette]

Any S-FM on this site is subject to Orpz's jurisdiction. Just because the game isn't on the ladder doesn't mean you can't still be punished in terms of suspension, etc. especially given the amount of intent you've now shown through all these posts.

My point was that he won't get points for a team win though cause no points are to be awarded

[ThePaladin]

FACE MY WRATH


Superjack=Super Scum; seriously lynch this guy already; he has contributed absolutely nothing of substance d1 besides popping in and voting people without giving clear and sensible reasons why; also him threatening to roleclaim if he gets enough votes on him is scummy, that’s already common practice and doesn’t need to restated especially as a threat of people voting him for acting scummy.

Other scum reads (not as scum as SJ)
Sen, mostly appears to be going on other people’s logic rather than bringing new points to conversation.

Damus, guy claims scum and isn’t really adding new points to conversation as well albeit to a lesser degree than sen is; He’s probably either a neut or scum

Town
Firebringer; Follow him to victory.

Darkness(higher than RLVG, much lower than FB)
RLVG is probably town but don’t take this with much merit; I just trust him the most.


All else null.


_________________________________________________
If I was going to lynch 3 people I would do this order
Superjack(always first)
Damus( you can argue to change sen and damus's position depending on whether you want neut or thieves)
Sen

[Titus]

What is this points for victory thing?

[Sen]

The solution is ASCII art, Sen -- nothing in the rule against that.
(vo.o)>

[Frog]

My point was that he won't get points for a team win though cause no points are to be awarded

Toadette,

How salty are you your teammate is going down? Your action is already locked. Did I bait you enough before it was too late to change your mind? Was your eulogy post a reference that your teammate changed my last will? Such lolz.