M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Vine]

I never said Warmongers were to -complete- the projects. I stated they would be the one's that contributed the most WHEN they are completed.

Then lynch the top contributor when host reveal their names the next day.

[Cut the Rope]

Vine stop finishing. Top contributor on any project is not confirmed town or scum unless via mod. By saying that it creates WIFOM of if they are or are not scum.

2048 -- working on it but I wish I didn't stop stupid theories. I also have to build it from scratch.

[Cut the Rope]

By stopping these stupid theories time is fucking wasted and it scares newbie players from joining :( We need as many active players as possible.

[Vine]

Vine stop finishing. Top contributor on any project is not confirmed town or scum unless via mod. By saying that it creates WIFOM of if they are or are not scum.

2048 -- working on it but I wish I didn't stop stupid theories. I also have to build it from scratch.

If all town decided that only day-revealing roles should be the top contributor, anyone else who gets it is scum.

[Cut the Rope]

If all town decided that only day-revealing roles should be the top contributor, anyone else who gets it is scum.

JUST STOP! ......This plan would out these roles to scum OMG. :(

Vine the way you are posting if you are newbie town I am not going to be sorry for your lynch at all. If you are town you need to stop this bullshit right now.

Damn being busy ATM or that sign would have significant progress.

[2048]

Thought you said not to feed the troll?

[Cut the Rope]

Oh. My. God.

Why don't you read my damn post. If we don't have a lynch in mind, WE LYNCH THE NEUTRAL THAT SWING SCUM IN TERMS OF WIN CONDITIONS. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS. YOU'RE LITERALLY NOT READING ANYTHING I SAY, YOU JUST DECIDE OH I THINK HE'S SCUM AND DISREGARD EVERYTHING

I did read your post. :) I just disagreed vehemently. I asked for your opinion on the Agent you gave none. If anything you're disregarding what I'm saying when it is a damn fine case. And yes, being a scumread drops your credibility.

[Cut the Rope]

Sorry you're right...I just got hyper. Help stop me 2048...I hate bullshit in threads.

[2048]

It seems Vine loves to stir town about. Hmmmmm.... Manipulator maybe? Seems Chaotic in a way.

Clash of Clans loves to clash now, and it seems I'm the only one with a vote on him.

[Cut the Rope]

It seems Vine loves to stir town about. Hmmmmm.... Manipulator maybe? Seems Chaotic in a way.

Clash of Clans loves to clash now, and it seems I'm the only one with a vote on him.

Oh I entirely agree with you 2048 that Clash is probably scum. But really I gotta vote on Vine because mathematically they are more scum. If Vine turns out to be scum as I'm pretty sure they will, then Clash becomes an obv target for scum because of the fake vote and Vine only defending mine.

[Kik]

We have a claimed researcher, eh? Well the good news is, there are only two possibilities with Fruit ninja's claim.
Option 1: He's telling the truth and is researcher.
In this case, we have no need to take action at this point in time. We let him be. Let him give us happiness and lures to our heart's content. And if he should falter in his loyalty to us, or if it's a rainy day and we don't know who to lynch, we can lynch him and there's no harm done.

Option 2: He's lying.
Since the scientist's (drug dealer) role card doesn't mention the ability to give out fake "one-use lure" feedback, this would mean that 2048 must also be lying. So if this is the case, if/when we lynch fruit ninja and he flips mafia, we get 2-for-1 and can immediately lynch 2048. Even if one of them is a disguiser, we'd still get one guaranteed scum lynch out of this...

(Slight tangent: Unless they're BOTH disguisers, in which case... ouch. But I doubt the hosts put in two disguisers since there can already be up to 3kpn with just factional kills + sk's extra kill. The potential for 5kills in a single night would be too high in a 20 player game, imo.)

Either way, Fruit Ninja is non-town, so he's going to be our permanent "lynch on-deck". So now that we've decided that we are not lynching him today, let's decide who we will lynch.

My vote remains on Vine, for reasons I have previously stated a couple times, as well as some good points brought up by others such as Cut the Rope and I forget who else.

[Kik]

Actually, come to think of it, even if they're both disguisers we would get one of them for sure because the earliest they can have a disguise charge is night 3, which means on day 3 when we get our feedback we would see whether or not happiness was given on night 2, and if there was none we would lynch Fruit Ninja on the spot before he could use his freshly gained charge of disguising. 2048 would still get away though (unless we have a detective, a fillibuster, or a lucky/skilled lookout/doctor). But like I said- VERY unlikely that is even possible in the first place.

[Cut the Rope]

Kik that is beautiful. :) You are definitely better at wordsmithing than I am. :D And I doubt 2048 is lying but good idea to keep open the possibility.

[Instagram]

Anyone else getting a ridiculously strong distancing vibe between Cut the Rope and Vine? I am!

[2048]

Actually, come to think of it, even if they're both disguisers we would get one of them for sure because the earliest they can have a disguise charge is night 3, which means on day 3 when we get our feedback we would see whether or not happiness was given on night 2, and if there was none we would lynch Fruit Ninja on the spot before he could use his freshly gained charge of disguising. 2048 would still get away though (unless we have a detective, a fillibuster, or a lucky/skilled lookout/doctor). But like I said- VERY unlikely that is even possible in the first place.

Lol, why are you so bent on there being a disguiser? For you, it's almost like you guarantee there is a disguiser. Why is that so?

[Instagram]

Kik that is beautiful. :) You are definitely better at wordsmithing than I am. :D And I doubt 2048 is lying but good idea to keep open the possibility.

Please tell me you are being sarcastic.

[2048]

Anyone else getting a ridiculously strong distancing vibe between Cut the Rope and Vine? I am!

Oooooo... do tell, I didn't notice them.

[Cut the Rope]

Anyone else getting a ridiculously strong distancing vibe between Cut the Rope and Vine? I am!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm rolling around laughing at this. This has got to be one of the funniest posts I have seen all game on this. In fact I will probably modify my sig!

[2048]

Anyone else getting a ridiculously strong distancing vibe between Cut the Rope and Vine? I am!

Wow, I mis-read that for 'dancing'.......

But no, I still didn't. I've been trying to get close to Vine but our arguments keeps pushing us apart.

[2048]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm rolling around laughing at this. This has got to be one of the funniest posts I have seen all game on this. In fact I will probably modify my sig!

Yeah... I'm seeing that now too :p

[Vine]

Anyone else getting a ridiculously strong distancing vibe between Cut the Rope and Vine? I am!

Discrediting more like!

Cut the Rope called me newbie, troll, stupid, etc. so that when I flip town, my last will will not be seriously read by town.

[Vine]

Lol, why are you so bent on there being a disguiser? For you, it's almost like you guarantee there is a disguiser. Why is that so?

Scum-motivated. 2048 is trying to lower the guard of town, and discrediting anyone who suggested the possibility of disguiser.

[Cut the Rope]

Damn! The ability to edit signatures is locked...:( I can't edit my sig...*cries a small bit*

[2048]

Scum-motivated. 2048 is trying to lower the guard of town, and discrediting anyone who suggested the possibility of disguiser.

There's always a possibility of disguiser. But what I'm trying to figure out, is why he is so sure there actually is a disguiser in this game.

Unless you'd like to answer that?

[Cut the Rope]

There's always a possibility of disguiser. But what I'm trying to figure out, is why he is so sure there actually is a disguiser in this game.

Unless you'd like to answer that?

Vine answering that would be really good :D Since Vine was the first person who mentioned it ever. *nods*

[2048]

Tell me, are you certain that town has a Doctor?

The only one's that know of there being a disguiser right now are the Warmongers.

[2048]

That is why kik's statement sounded odd it me.

Why, when we've had no unknown deaths, would kik know there is a Disguiser already? Did you learn of this information last night perhaps?

[Vine]

There's always a possibility of disguiser. But what I'm trying to figure out, is why he is so sure there actually is a disguiser in this game.

Unless you'd like to answer that?

When is Kik sure? He is just stating the possibilities, so that town can prepare the countermeasures.

It seems that 2048 and Cut the Rope want town to forget the possibility of Disguiser.

[Cut the Rope]

Tell me, are you certain that town has a Doctor?

The only one's that know of there being a disguiser right now are the Warmongers.

*Gets her sass on* Oh honey, the only thing I'm sure of is that I'm town, TapATalk was town, Candy Crush Saga is town, and Vine is scum. A doctor ain't known til they make themselves known. *snaps fingers*

About Kik

Kik is leveraging Vine's scumslip of their being a Disguiser.

[Cut the Rope]

there* Stupid misspelling

[Instagram]

Oooooo... do tell, I didn't notice them.

Here are Cut the Ropes attempts to distance himself from Vine.




OMG... stop talking...right now...

Just....no....That's beyond fucked up to have peacefuls claim right now...Just dear lord stop.


I'm going to assume this is your first game of mafia. I hope it is. Below are two reasons but not the only reasons that exclude a mass vanilla townie claim.

1) Assuming all players claim honestly - If all the vanilla townies claim then this leaves the scum to pick off the power roles one by one with night kills. Or if serial killer is alive potentially more than one by one.

All scum+serial killer has to do is paint a mislynch on a player that is truly a peaceful and then the serial killer gets two kills the following night which makes towns job even harder.

2) Assuming the power roles/scum lie and claim peaceful - Nothing is gained and why do it in the first place.


It's like on regular games with power set up roles. NEVER EVER mass claim early. It gives scum a great way to plan to victory.


There's so much just plain wrong with that post I agree with Fall Down but still gave some explanation for the benefit of the doubt.

Vine - If this truly is your first game we can talk later on it. *sigh*


Vine, I think this sounds like someone on another forum I know of would do. Are you trying to meta copy? I really want an explanation for this but you may be new. When I first played I did some really stupid stuff so I want to give you a chance.

Notice how the peace seekers are easier to hit :( ...And yes the doomsday killer can still hide. You are relying on people being honest.

@Clash of Clans - I'll look for one. I was trying to avoid changing the account as much as possible.


Vine

You ignored this post and are seemingly copying meta of a player on a different forum...This all feels very fake to me. Depending on the response I may move my vote but I want some explanations.


Wow... I'm pretty sure your questions indicate three things
1) That Vine is definitely faking being a newbie. You know the meaning of copying meta by asking what meta and the other items follow that.
2) That for some unknown reason Vine is only being defensive about my vote. For some reason Clash of Clans vote didn't cause Vine to be defensive.
{I am not including Fruit Ninja because there have been no posts by Vine since that timeframe}
3) That my reasoning is clear and you're digging for more information as to why. I would have expected at least a denial or you're nuts here from an experienced player or a what the hell is meta and copying it from a true newbie.

These reactions (along with the reactions of players following) cause me to believe a few things as a result:
1) At worst, Clash of Clans and yourself could be aligned Warmongers. At the least, there is some reason that you aren't defensive of their lynch vote and are of mine that really should be prodded more.
2) Quizup is buddying Vine although I don't know why. Either Quizup is from this other forum and believes Vine to be someone they aren't which would explain the weirdest about saying post 85 cinches their towniness. Post 85 IMO is a very good scum argument because Vine is picking and choosing which posts to respond to.

Furthermore in Fall Down's post that Quizup says excludes a the possibility of a Warmonger, mentions a specific possibility for a "Mafian" which I'm assuming is a warmonger. This seems very wrong to me.

3) Fall Down either knows something about the gender of Vine or picked up on the meta argument I made and believes Vine is me or is having a belief that Vine is female. I'm the only player who has openly said I'm female. TapATalk talked about waving his dick around so that presumably makes him male. Other than that I'm using gender neutral until each person says their respective gender.

Because of this I'm thinking that Vine/Clash/Quizup need some examination this evening to see what the hell is going on between these three. I like Fall Down as town because of how they are poking other players and how their responses have been written so far. But the gender mentioning to me is important.

And Vine please, start playing the game without the use of this gambit. At worst, you're copying mine from Dark Lord Potter and it's really, really annoying when it is copied like this. I still lend credence to this, because of a lack of a denial. At best, this is just some random weird gambit you came up with either on your own or with scum buddies. Based on this and the other posts that followed I am leaving my vote where it is. If you are town please give us an explanation so this can sort itself out.

To all, again we are NOT attempting to get everyone to announce what role they are or what production they are working on. It's way too early for that sort of claim. After the prior discussions in the thread, it should hopefully be painfully clear as to why.

And for those of you who haven't posted anything of substance please come on and start discussions. I really hate lurkers. Only 14/20 players have posted so far and not all of those have been substance worthy and are just hi and are not responding afterwards. I have to be out this evening with friends and would really like to have everyone posting in the thread before that point.

@Kik,
I don't think the hosts have responded to the questions posed yet. And yes, as I've stated numerous times, it's my opinion a mass claim of any sort (production or role) is not in the best interests of town and therefore I won't be participating in them.


Vine...I'm done seriously. I'm not being mean I've given every chance to explain yourself gently while explaining flaws in the posts and your defense is an attack the attacker of calling me a "meanie" while claiming new when it is clearly not the case for reasons presented by multiple players. I have to go get ready for some stuff this evening but good luck with that.

In your defense your post below with the analysis does seem well thought out and I wish I had more time to compare this with my notes to see what does and doesn't align with what I have.

So if you are new and this is just really weird play, kudos for that well thought out bit. But again I should reiterate we should not say what we are going toward or not going toward. You are going to have a line blank in that sheet.


Okay ya'll warning this may be a too long didn't read post. I tried shortening this but this is the best I could do.

About my top three scumspects in no particular order:

Clash of Clans

On the count of three (1....2...3) who is surprised that Clash of Clans changed their vote to be on the popular vote lynch of Fruit Ninja without adding any additional reasons? Not me. Baaaaaaaaa you sheep baaaaaaaaaaa. What's even weirder is that they admitted to the sheep simply because a couple of their town reads are on it.

Even Clash's post about why only my vote was defended is horrible. They said there are only three votes on vine in their post. This was factual at the time. Then why did Vine only defend the second and why did Clash buddy? And why did Vine not defend about Fruit Ninja's? The most likely answer to me is that Clash is a scum partner of Vine's and that Fruit Ninja was chosen to be the lynch so the vote was already weakened.

And I am not answering the question on what a peaceful should do because as I've already said discussing/planning out who does what here IMO is stupid.

With all do respect to your idea, I think I absolutely should have the exact forum. I was counter claiming Vine and needed to demonstrate strength behind it. Based on your response, I think you believe my counter claim as well. If people go there and wish to find my meta in thousands of posts without a userid to back it up, they seriously have way too much time on their hands. The fact you said for me not to further more lends credence to the idea that you and Vine are buddies, and your first vote wasn't serious.

Vine
Enough with the hypothesis and ideas and plans. 0.o
Your latest plan assumes that every single townie lives and that the SK kills a mafia and mafia decides not to kill and that no other role kills or stops production or impacts in any way.
Another reason the plan sucks is that it goes against your desired goal of making sure the win con is met. If everyone followed and the townies at full production on it died, then scum could max out production on one of the wonders and be the top contributor since you have a 5/1 mix on most every hypothesis.
It's also very damaging for the group to come up with a consensus plan of any kind at this stage of the game. As I and numerous people have said but you continue to push hypothesis. This is ridiculous.

Your own arguments look more like your goal is to create chaos rather than post a valid theory on what to do. Quizup even asked you to stop posting about mechanics and do something helpful and you said like....day 2 which isn't even a solid guarantee. (More on this later)

Based on your insistent desire to sow chaos my vote remains. Saying what another player said occurred and then calling it "your plan" leaves a very sore taste in my mouth after asking for your explanation and you refuse.

Quizup

I am even more convinced you are scum after the recent night events.

Almost every post I have seen from you has done some kind of chaos sowing/brimming in the game.

In 163 Quizup votes for Fruit Ninja and then 17 posts later gives a prod for lynching Fruit Ninja instead of contributions with a significant amount of the day left.

Posting a read wall without prompting and then tries to use it as the holy grail to continue discussions.

Most any town player I've played with at least increases suspicion if they are scum read by someone day one and they are town. I posted you as one of my top scumspects and you think I'm town? This leads me to three options here in order of likelihood: 1) The list is fake and that you posted it to try to make it look like you are scum hunting. 2) The list is fake and you wanted to use it as a tool to generate chaos/discussion. 3) The list is truthful you have a weird, rare meta.

Why did you not pressure Vine or say trolling or something when Vine said they'd give you a reason they weren't scum day 2? After that you just drop it? WTF Quizup.

Post 281 has a huge scum slip in it.


The most damning scum slip is in the last sentence. The game started off in the Day. No night actions could have taken place. The only person I know is town is me. The rest can change or be confirmed based on evidence.

The second slip assumes two non-town kills per night, which implies the mafia will kill every night. As pointed out previously in the thread, the scum have to deal with the happiness mechanic so this may not always be the case. The doomsday killer must deal with it as well. When guns and other role shenanigans get into play, assuming 2 kills a night is rather crazy. Hell the scum could have a role that kills as well with a special ability, but this looks like a huge slip that this role did not get chosen.

About Third Party
I'm not really able to get a good feel for who the serial killer might be but for now I think the Researcher is Fruit Ninja.

About the Fruit Ninja lynch
I'm really not seeing what is here that is more damning than what is above. Especially since two of my top scumspects helped to steam roll this. Can someone help me to understand why Fruit Ninja should be lynched today?

The first best argument was the 19 which is really more of a researcher tell IMO than a serial killer/scum. The researchers wincon is that one of the two teams wins at the start so having fewer and fewer players like this points to more of a researcher tell. As town we'd want to keep the researcher around as long as possible because they can help our win con in the start of the game.

From what I've seen the second best "argument" is "self-awareness" of which I have seen little to none. Some of that was posted by my top scumspect so I trust it about as far as I can throw it, which means my vote doesn't go on Fruit Ninja.

About hypothesis
Seriously people, just stop with the plans and/or what someone should be doing with production already. We don't know enough to determine what will be helpful so let's not fuck ourselves over before the first night.


Also Vine -- as a counter to that, why is Candy Crush Saga not Conf Town? I think you may need to reanalyze who you have as town and who you have as scum, assuming you are town. A lot of what you are saying is not making sense.


VINE OMG! WTF?

Did I not just say that my scum radar would go up on someone who suggested plans like this goes up on my scum radar? SERIOUSLY...I have explained why these plans are bad with logic and math formulas and a few other people have and you still continue this. Right now please focus on scumhunting. Yes I openly admit I am trying to shut down suggested mass plans but again...This is NOT cool. Trying to manipulate the production into what you want or giving massive information to scum is a fucking horrible idea....PERIOD.

Please explain to me how the hell this is contributing. You need to scumhunt.

Quizup -- And I'm just putting out the information to the best of my ability. I accept that you aren't feeling it, but out of the people out there he is acting the most scummy. Instagram and Fruit Ninja haven't done much to sway me yet either, but Clash's opening is utter shit. Vine is also moving up in scumminess after not listening to town NUMEROUS times.

Kik -- Who the hell is WWF?
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449775&viewfull=1#post449775 << First time reads were questioned
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449778&viewfull=1#post449778 << Second time reads were questioned
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449780&viewfull=1#post449780 << Third time reads were questioned
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449781&viewfull=1#post449781 << Fourth time reads were questioned

So no one used the words bullshit but there were definitely a lot of questions/doubts over the reads.

But being lured doesn't mean anything about whether or not they attacked TapATalk. Based on the last will they visited, but for Vine your suggestion to be plausible that Vine could have been the one would mean either predisposition to know that TapATalk lured which I don't believe is possible in the mechanics or just pure luck.


Quizup That townread just isn't working for me. I've already explained how a Vine/Clash tandem team is quite possible with that vote that you claim is townie. Right now to me the argument that Clash needs a hell of a lot more than that if I'm going to believe any of it. The main posts you have on Clash as town read I already refuted in day one as to why I like Clash as a scum read. I trust that you believe Clash is town but the more you just insist the worse this looks.


Sorry about that. Yeah it's obvious now. But either way, the trust level I have for anything Vine says or does is practically useless right now. So that was a facepalm. I'm monitoring about 2-3 things at the same time as reading so I should probably slow down a bit.

I think there's 4 doubting the reads. We can agree to disagree but if at least 2 other posts before yours question the reads it's been pretty clear that the reads Vine had are either crappy if truthful or bullshit.

I will definitely give this some thought Kik. I appreciate you re-explaining.


Right now I really want two votes. One for vine and one for Clash. Since programmatically I can't do that I'm keeping my vote on Clash but I really, really like a Vine/Clash team. The fake vote and none defense of it while arguing against the pressure vote that I had is a point for Vine scum/Clash team.

Vine's proposal has a claim that the Disguiser will finish the school tonight. Has anyone suggested or proposed that there is a disguiser? This definitely assumes facts not in evidence. I have hypothesized certain scum roles based on the actions of the town, but as far as I know no one has definitive proof of any scum role except scum.

Then there's Clash's rebuttal. He doesn't point out that it is another attempt at getting peacefuls to reveal which is what mafia and SK both want so that way more deaths occur. It's more what he is reubutting and how than a rebuttal. And the fact that they continue to discuss plans adds to my radar as well.

It looks very much like the serial killer killed TapATalk and a Vine pull.
And further more it looks like Clash is attempting to bus their partner and set it up in that manner as a reaction to the heat between the two.

I have to step away and I don't know if I'll be back tonight but my thoughts are Vine/Clash are both scum if I can't post further tonight.


Vine

Temple Run
The case for Vine is three fold to me why they are confirmed scum, either mafia or SK.
1) The mafia and the Serial killer hit the same person. This strongly implies, since Vine got lured to TapATalk, that Vine is the player that did a kill order on TapATalk.
2) In their suggestions they said the Disguiser is almost done building the school. No had even suggested a Disguiser existed before that point, so IMO this is a scumslip.
3) If they are the serial killer, the attempt to draw out peacefuls early is way too obvious. That and the other person who claimed Peaceful is still alive (Instagram) makes it very unlikely that Vine is the serial killer but is very likely mafia scum.

2048
Good for stopping feeding the very likely scum. Although I am disappointed that since you could be back in 3 hours there's not more activity or a poke or a prod or something for you to check back in the am. Scum wins when town quits posting, so if you are town like I think you are, then come out to play some more.

Clash of Clans Response to: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449867&viewfull=1#post449867
No I don't want a response of your thought by thought. It'd be more bullshit.
The peaceful revealings was in what Vine suggested and that you did not notice or counter same with the scumslip of Disguiser. It's like you are trying to look like you are stopping a bad plan as much as possible without pointing out the most obvious dangerous flaws. Like trying to build town cred without damaging scum too much. This usually occurs right before a bus.
Sure you're more than welcome to talk to me about why that type of planning is useful post game, but in this case with these mechanics it is one of the most damaging things I can think of. As I said earlier, when there is less mafia and ability to counter then it might make sense. It's like a mass claim. It has to be timed correctly. Right now is a horrible time. It's a very bad idea.
And it seems like a prep to bus your partner. The fact you are getting defensive instead of sticking to your guns and saying "I believe this, fuck off" is another tell. Furthermore, your vote on Angry Birds is more than likely another random vote to try to get discussion going. For the two days and almost 500 posts you don't have any other better suspects. Bullshit. This looks like you felt pressured by me saying it was a bus.

So far the only thing half way valid about those posts is potential confirmation bias. Confirmation bias doesn't make it wrong though. And again there's a lot of evidence here. The arguments written as to who is scum and why you are not, need to be written to convince other people to follow you. Not a "I'm right, you're right" devolving. I'm putting my ideas and logic out on display and if people follow them they do. I'm pretty confident in town's ability to think for themselves and do the right thing.

All
For everyone here, we really need to make sure to get a lynch in today. Vine is probably one of the clearest safest lynches there is for reasons stated. Since the days are extremely short, we need to absolutely have a lynch today. For those of you on Clash of Clans or considering Clash of Clans scum I'm asking you to come over to Vine. While I like them both equally as scum, Vine has more votes and more mechanics driving this. I understand that the lack of player activity is really hurting us right now, so as town we need to adjust for that. For those of you actively posting and not voting Vine, it is my clear expectation that I want reasons why you are not voting for a player that is almost mechanics confirmed to be mafia or the serial killer, refuses to post decent reads, and trolls the thread constantly. Yes I understand Fruit Ninja wasn't lynched yesterday, probably due to player inactivity, but day 1 lynches are almost always town in every game. Once we lynch the more likely scum, then we can come back and re-evaluate Fruit Ninja. Let's come together and do the right thing for town.


Instagram

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449875&viewfull=1#post449875
You said in that post you said you had no doubt the Sheriff is at 0 happiness. Based on how you said you'd play it now they'd have to be at one happiness. Which one is it?

I find it highly unlikely that there is a doctor but I'm open to reasons why I'm wrong. Show me convince me.
Same with the response to Temple Run. If something's obvious then keep trying to explain it. Eventually it will sink in if it is.

2048

Why is your vote not on Vine?

Temple Run

According to TapATalk's last will, Vine's own admission of being lured, and the description of Cultural (pasted below for reference)

Cultural
You are immune to the detriments of Unhappiness. At night, you may visit a player to display a painting, forcing them to stay at home if they visited you AND visit another player to discuss music tours in your country, forcing them to visit you. The person you lured will gain 1 Happiness and the person you repelled will lose 1 Happiness, regardless of whether or not the ability was successful. 3 usages.

Vine's FORCED to visit TapATalk. So if Vine submitted the night kill it is very likely that it got redirected to TapATalk. Otherwise you're asking to believe that both the mafia and the serial killer targeted the same player when no one has had a concrete reason.

I'm referring to Vine with the genderless pronouns. I don't know if Vine is a male or a female. Using they is easier than he/she and their easier than his/hers. More specifically this post here: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=449844&viewfull=1#post449844


Vine
Vine your word is about as useful as a knife in a gunfight. And yes a Clash of Clans lynch is very viable. Even more so when you are defending Clash of Clans. And yes anyone who tries to organize town into building a wonder/production plan/role claim right now needs to be prodded as to why the fuck they are doing a stupid decision. You can be angry all you want but I'm not going to let you deceive town. And warmongers are not monopolizing this thread. There's been discussion and back and forth and suggestions and people trying to understand the game. If warmongers are monopolizing this thread right now I'd be very surprised.

Assuming you're town which I'm 99% confident you're not, you should be wanting to help out town by explaining your reads or clarifying them. I noticed your vote is on me but you haven't given a decent reason as to why I'm scum. :/

Vine your last will again -- has been proven useless. Clarify it to help us.
The sentence about mechanics is probably the most logical thing you've said all game. Mechanics is a great way to scumhunt and why you are scum.
And furthermore, scum is hesitant to suggest plans that will help town but they are full and ready to suggest plans that will help scum, which is what you are doing. We've been over this.

And Vine yes scum will absolutely try to identify the wonders that are harmful to make sure they get built at the least damaging time. It's the mitigate damage effect. Further more it enables scum to get some of those bonuses, they want with the least amount of effort possible.

Then why are you being silent when the mechanics point you out as scum? You are an example of betraying your own argument.

And on the Clash of Clans thing I'd consider me to be a 1/2 vote on you and 1/2 vote on Clash. I just can't do that programmatically.

Words With Friends

I think there is limited feedback yes. But that may just be because of how little information I have. The more that goes on the more information. Day one there was no information, Day 2 there is some but sparsely populated. In relation to all the hijinks that can go on, I'm amazed more information hasn't come up yet.

And about the Clash thing Words, I've stated if I had a second vote it'd be on Clash in a heartbeat. But I wonder why Vine is not defending themselves with the same vigor? I think it's because they know they are busted.


Vine
Of all the insane shit. *rolls eyes* I'm pretty sure unless something changes I am done talking to the troll after this post, unless something significant happens. I will build a big sign of don't feed the trolls.

I was suspicious of you being scum or a scum like role from day one. When one player (I forget who off the top of my head) was confused on mechanics I suspected some tomfoolery but when that got cleared up I realized you were the scum you are. Pure and simple.

And if you do turn up peaceful then this play is some of the most ridiculous play from a townie I have seen. You should be clarifying your reads or doing something to help town come to your conclusions. If you were lynched right this second, the only thing to go off of is already debunked.

All

I have to go something came up and I need to get some more sleep beforehand, but I'm hoping to finish my NK analysis late this evening to have it to share with everyone.


As promised the night kill analysis:


We know that only two attempted kills occurred tonight.

This means it is very unlikely that scum have a Detainer.

For reasons discussed, Vine is very likely either the Serial Killer or mafia scum. In brevity, because the mafia and SK killed the same person it is likely the person who did the kill order was forced into attacking TapATalk. And who ended up being forced to visit TapATalk, Vine.

But what about TapATalk in general? Why would the other faction target them? Let's start with the most obvious faction that probably hit him the serial killer.
The serial killer gains a distinct advantage almost every time they kill. The ideal kill for them is either a power role or mafia scum. The reason being is because this leaves more peacefuls to mislynch during the day. So we need to find what from TapATalk made it very obvious that they were a power role.

1) The intro, while very vulgar, and had some numerical errors, was very pro town. This type of mechanics discussing helps town more than it hurts it.
2) His post about not talking about not confirming if building a wonder is something that makes a fuck ton of sense.
3) His reaction to Vine's suggestion of all peacefuls claiming was immediate,spot on, and concise.

Because of this it was very likely that TapATalk was town. Combining this with some of the other posts TapATalk did, e.g. shitlist, implied a lot of genuine authentic scumhunting. Taking a look at that shitlist, {2048, Fruit Ninja, iFunny and Instagram}. This means a likely scum in those four people or in the those that were inactive post. For the inactives, it doesn't add anything to kill TapATalk. People already posted the lack of activity and so it doesn't make a likely target. Therefore, one of those four is more likely scum.

For reasons stated previously I really think Instagram is the one that needs the examination further OR that my hypothesis of Fruit Ninja being the Serial Killer is correct.

Without a lot of information to go on, being on someone's shit list this early is one of the best indicators of SK we can probably find.

Now assuming Vine is the serial killer and mafia picked to kill TapATalk, it'd need to be demonstrated that TapATalk was likely a power role. That however I'm having trouble finding any evidence for. I'll keep looking but I highly doubt that the mafia would have targeted TapATalk, which lends more credence to the Vine did the NK theory. I can make an argument that TapATalk was town but not that they were a power role as there were better choices of who to kill, e.g. Instagram. There would have to be huge glowing neon signs there. Assuming Vine is a serial killer, this likely means that there was not a doctor/secret service in the setup. Else we'd be forced to believe that mafia and a serial killer would instantly kill TapATalk but a doctor/secret service wouldn't see it? Again, the more the Vine = SK analysis I do the less likely this becomes.
As the nights go on a clearer pattern should emerge and give us the understanding we need to hunt the mafia scum.




Quizup -- The lynch on Vine is one of the smartest things we can do as town. The only reason I've heard not to lynch them is because they have claimed peaceful....Uhm that's a horrible idea otherwise scum claim peaceful and be done with it. In contrast there is mechanically evidence damning the mafia kill (or the serial killer kill) onto TapATalk.

Even if we assume that Vine is just a peaceful you're asking me to believe that 1/4 of the players in the game thought that TapATalk was an obvious power role for Town and that the protective role(s) if any exist did not pick it up. That is just way too much coincidence to be believed. If you think this is an improper lynch, again, you need to give something other than Vine is town. You did the same thing with Clash of Clans. Most players I know if it's a disastrous lynch expand on it. Back up your theories.

And the other theory you just posted on SK. Assuming that Vine is the SK they are still scum and it's a good play. Lynching Vine is the right thing to do here.

Instagram

How many times to I have to fucking say this??? Discussing plans gives scum an advantage and allows them to counter, just fucking stop. Seriously.


1. It contributes, but is not the sole factor. I've had Vine on my scumdar for a while.
2. Yes.
3. Since you're asking if you could prove Vine did not kill TapATalk, would I still vote for them: I would say why the fuck as a good townie would you hold that information back if you had it. If you have the capability to stop a bad lynch from hurting town you should absolutely be doing it to save a life. This causes you to stay high on my scumdar.
4. It depends on what is used to "clear" Vine.

2048

It is TapATalk and Vine confirmed they were lured. TapATalk had no reason to lie in their last will....That's just insane. Listen to yourself. *playfully smacks 2048*

Instagram

You're asking people who think that reading an argument that is a page long is difficult/hard for them but that they will counter a counter plan...This is not likely at all. Listen to what it would take to be successful and shut the fuck up about wonders. Seriously. Until we have enough mafia scum dead this is horrible.


.......This again.

For Vine not to be scum, there would have to be a huge coincidence of things that happened that I have a hard time believing.
1) Mafia thought that TapATalk was the best kill.
2) The SK thought that mafia was the best kill.
3) Any protective roles (should they exist) did not see that TapATalk was the best kill even though it is obvious to every killing scum in the game.
4) That Vine is truly a newbie peaceful that has not listened to reason from multiple players and refuses to update reads to make them accurate. They have posted two last wills and neither has Candy Crush Saga as conf town.

That's just way too much for me to swallow. Vine is conf in my eyes.

All about Fruit Ninja/Vine

The absolute worst thing that a Researcher can do is flip Jester and we lynch him. Otherwise it's just a player manipulator based on the value of X. I don't see why they have to die today when we can confirm if they are the researcher or not. (As much as I trust 2048 I'd like confirmation.) There is very little risk in leaving Fruit Ninja alive to verify their claim. I am not for a Fruit Ninja lynch today. Vine is the better play.

Clash of Clans -- If he turns on us and helps the mafia scum we lynch him then. Right now, it just doesn't make sense. I don't understand the argument being put forth.

Instagram

One that's based on random number generator. Until someone says they were protected by a doctor or claims it, I won't believe there is a doctor. Same with Sheriff. The soft claims of peaceful are sooooooo accurate already (sarcasm).

Quizup

Again...why is Clash town? *gets annoyed*


......Words...Really? In what scenario would a townie refuse to provide anything useful after prodding by a lot of users in the game??! I have tried to give Vine the benefit of the doubt a lot because if they are town, they were new but this is fucking ridiculous. If we do not lynch Vine today I will be seriously screaming from the roof tops one of the biggest WTF TOWNS in existence. It doesn't get much clearer than this.

Instagram

Thank God. Now you are starting to think long term about it. Now if you could never talk about wonders again we'd in even better shape

Snapchat

Fruit Ninja won't play to have his win-con be harder. It just doesn't make sense as a good play. I think we can keep him around for today and see what happens. If demonstrated that he tried to flip wincon we lynch him tomorrow. For him to be jester: He needs ta night for X to be greater than 3 or two nights with the same value with 2048 confirming they got a lure X = 1 last night, assuming 2048 can be trusted. I doubt Fruit Ninja would play anti-win con.


Amen to that. Ideally sooner. How many hours is 5 am from now Candy Crush? I ask because I don't know if you are using game time or not.


Vine stop finishing. Top contributor on any project is not confirmed town or scum unless via mod. By saying that it creates WIFOM of if they are or are not scum.

2048 -- working on it but I wish I didn't stop stupid theories. I also have to build it from scratch.


By stopping these stupid theories time is fucking wasted and it scares newbie players from joining :( We need as many active players as possible.


JUST STOP! ......This plan would out these roles to scum OMG. :(

Vine the way you are posting if you are newbie town I am not going to be sorry for your lynch at all. If you are town you need to stop this bullshit right now.

Damn being busy ATM or that sign would have significant progress.


Oh I entirely agree with you 2048 that Clash is probably scum. But really I gotta vote on Vine because mathematically they are more scum. If Vine turns out to be scum as I'm pretty sure they will, then Clash becomes an obv target for scum because of the fake vote and Vine only defending mine.

I haven't really looked through vine yet to see if it's reciprocated, I'll do that now.

[2048]

Here are Cut the Ropes attempts to distance himself from Vine.


I haven't really looked through vine yet to see if it's reciprocated, I'll do that now.

Wow..... that makes me realize how easily CtR has been getting angry. A lot more than I've been noticing.

[Instagram]

Tell me, are you certain that town has a Doctor?

The only one's that know of there being a disguiser right now are the Warmongers.

Of course I can't guarantee that there is a doctor, but seriously does nobody have any concept of balance? How would you balance this game without a doctor or a filibuster?

[Cut the Rope]

#1) HERSELF!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?? I AM A WOMAN!

#2) I have been pushing this goddamn wagon for the past few pages and I take responsibility for my actions. So distancing is bullshit. Since you can't bother to get my gender right how can I trust what you are saying?

And yes I'm fucking angry when town derps this badly. If you take defeat from the jaws of victory I will be pissed to no end!

[2048]

#1) HERSELF!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?? I AM A WOMAN!

#2) I have been pushing this goddamn wagon for the past few pages and I take responsibility for my actions. So distancing is bullshit. Since you can't bother to get my gender right how can I trust what you are saying?

And yes I'm fucking angry when town derps this badly. If you take defeat from the jaws of victory I will be pissed to no end!

I am laughing so hard right now.....

[Instagram]

Here are the posts that reciprocate the effect, but TBH most of these appear to be provoked by Cut the Rope.


*frowns*

But why? Could you please, like... explain?


*stunned*

Cut the Rope voted me for, like... unclear reasons.

copying meta: what meta?
of a player: who?
on a different forum: which forum?
feels very fake: I mean, like... how?

Not clever reasons to vote someone, I'm sure.


Hi! I'm think, like... I'm new! Cut the Rope is a meanie.

*concentrates*


Bonus recommended for: Day revealing roles (Chief, Speaker, Marshall)
Scums interested: Actor, Disguiser, Veteran


Bonus recommended for: Anyone
Scums interested: All


Bonus recommended for: Investigative roles (Sheriff, Investigator, Coroner, Lookout, Detective, Filibuster, Jailor)
Scums interested: All


Bonus recommended for: Anyone
Scums interested: Actor, Disguiser


Bonus recommended for: Anyone
Scums interested: All


Bonus recommended for: Investigative and protective roles
Scums interested: Almost all


Bonus recommended for: Anyone who received manual vests.


I don't care if you created this game, or have a teal name. I'm going to make sure all nice buildings belong to town.

*serious*


You, like... never offered any better plans.


I'm still, like... waiting for answers from the host. If it is random, town will have 8 production (able to complete Wonders in 2 days, 8+8=16) versus scum with 6 production (complete in >2 days, 6+8+2=16). And I think I only recommended which Wonders are good for which town roles. I never asked anyone to build any?


How so? You are just afraid that town monopolizes all the building, I think...


And here you are discouraging town from making full use of the mechanics. Hmph!


It's called asking for commitments.



Cut the Rope


Surely you understand that ALL TOWNS should benefit from +2 production for building vests later.
Organized construction will prevent wastage of town production. Surely you know that!

*lectures*

Scums:
Cut the Rope
Fruit Ninja
2048


You are, like... trying to delay town from getting vests, and hoping that town waste production. Scum motivated, I think...


I don't know how I can defend myself, so...

Last will:


Cut the Rope

*suspicious*


Not enough info
Strong town
Leaning town
Leaning scum
Strong scum



Players

Posts
Impression
Voted
Role









Flappy Bird
1
Made it known that he will only troll




iFunny
1
Busy and requested for town organization
Fruit Ninja



Kik

14
Lacked sample size, buddied Fall Down




Bloons TD
2
Made it known that he doesn't care




Instagram
16
Prevented misinformation
Fruit Ninja



SnapChat
7
Lacked sample size
Fruit Ninja



Angry Birds

1
Anti-day 1 discussion

Warmonger


QuizUp
40
Promoting discussion but ignored mechanics altogether
Fruit Ninja
Doomsday killer


Clash of Clans
13
A busy person who tried to organize town
Fruit Ninja



2048
52
Almost all posts are neutral-leaning fluff without content

Warmonger


4pics1word

3
Supported town organization
Fruit Ninja



Candy Crush Saga

1
Voiced support for town organization




Cut The Rope

27
Against organizing town action and full of discredits
Fruit Ninja
Warmonger


Fruit Ninja
39
Promoting apathy in day chat

Warmonger


Temple Run
9
Giving opinions, pro-town organization




Words with Friends
0
Didn't post




Tapatalk

24
Organized town and prevented misinformation
Fruit Ninja



Vine
44
Me!
Fruit Ninja



Piano Tiles
3
Made it known that he does not want to contribute




Fall Down
24
Participated in discussion






2048
A total of 52 posts, almost all which are fluff without content.
Did not vote Fruit Ninja.
Tried to discourage concerted town production by providing vague alternatives (#269-277)

Fruit Ninja
Promoting apathy in day chat.
39 posts of low value.

Angry Birds
Tried to discourage discussion with his single post.

Cut The Rope
Extremely negative against anyone organizing town actions
Trying to discredit good ideas
Tried to expose players who acted dumb, on day 1
Unnecessarily unvoted Fruit Ninja with strange reasoning, only to revote a few post later, after iFunny sheeped (#322-325).

QuizUp
Spent 40 posts promoting discussion with minimal input from himself.
Not afraid at dying at night, from his hyper pro-town act.
The Doomsday Killer!

Criteria for scum:
1) Trying to prevent town from organizing production
2) Role and identity fishing
3) Promoting the idea that day 1 is troll day



N1: 6 production to ET

Peacefuls don't need to spend productions on buildings to recover happiness and charges. So, Peacefuls can devote all their productions to IPs and Wonders. 6 production to ET as discussed.



1. Scums don't like newbies who claimed their town role, because everyone will believe the newbie, as if the newbie had a day-reveal role.
2. Proposing good but subpar ideas stimulate discussion and separates the real town from the fakes. Real town will correct your mistakes.

Voluntary and unprovoked newbie roleclaims are as good as day-revealing. Thus, I tried to bait newbie Peacefuls into claiming. They are as good as confirmed towns. Instagram and I don't count.

Best way to scumhunt is through mechanics and organization of town actions.


Discrediting more like!

Cut the Rope called me newbie, troll, stupid, etc. so that when I flip town, my last will will not be seriously read by town.

[Instagram]

So, I think today was productive lynch priority is obvious. Vine->Cut The Rope.

[2048]

So, I think today was productive lynch priority is obvious. Vine->Cut The Rope.

I think I am on her lynch list as well.

[Vine]

So, I think today was productive lynch priority is obvious. Vine->Cut The Rope.

Yes! Lynch Cut the Rope tomorrow!

You forgot to add that earlier in day 2, Cut the Rope is trying to distract town from the fact that I was lured in Tapatalk. He must be a Warmonger who thought that I'm the Doomsday Killer.

[Instagram]

Yes! Lynch Cut the Rope tomorrow!

You forgot to add that earlier in day 2, Cut the Rope is trying to distract town from the fact that I was lured in Tapatalk. He must be a Warmonger who thought that I'm the Doomsday Killer.

Thanks for adding more to the distancing argument. I appreciate it.

[Instagram]

I think I am on her lynch list as well.

I'm sorry 2048, I'm having trouble interpreting this thought. I'd appreciate it if you rephrased it.

[2048]

Yes! Lynch Cut the Rope tomorrow!

You forgot to add that earlier in day 2, Cut the Rope is trying to distract town from the fact that I was lured in Tapatalk. He must be a Warmonger who thought that I'm the Doomsday Killer.

Yeah..... you realize that being lured by Tapatalk and Tapaltalk dieing makes you a high priority suspect. I just don't understand why you don't see that yourself.

You are the one distracting town and making extreme protests all the time. You are too dangerous to even remain within day chat, let alone allow you go back to night.

[2048]

I'm sorry 2048, I'm having trouble interpreting this thought. I'd appreciate it if you rephrased it.

I was listed as strong scum in her previous posts.

I assume it's because I'm usually against her plans.

[Cut the Rope]

Okay are you like...crazy? This is so many posts and you don't even explain how. It's like you went through the RNG of posts between me and Vine and had a copy paste montage XD.

First of all I am saving the town from town derp one of the few townies who actually gives a shit to post complex arguments, had my arguments stand up to insane bullshit and it's obvious because you play copy paste montage. Actually you know justify your read of me as scum...seriously. Because an actual argument will end up being so obviously bullshit that it is putting tissue paper in a saw mill. However if anyone actually believes this bullshit fest then tomorrow if I'm lynched I will give you a novel of a read wall. Feel free to discuss it but it will become very clear that I'm so town I have I love town metaphorically tattoo'd on my ass.

That being said if you believe I'm scummy post a goddamn argument. Not a cut and paste fest.

AND I AM A WOMAN! STOP USING HE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

[Instagram]

I was listed as strong scum in her previous posts.

I assume it's because I'm usually against her plans.

Well that's the way I interpreted it but how does that relate to the quote? Maybe I miscommunicated my idea?

[2048]

Okay are you like...crazy? This is so many posts and you don't even explain how. It's like you went through the RNG of posts between me and Vine and had a copy paste montage XD.

First of all I am saving the town from town derp one of the few townies who actually gives a shit to post complex arguments, had my arguments stand up to insane bullshit and it's obvious because you play copy paste montage. Actually you know justify your read of me as scum...seriously. Because an actual argument will end up being so obviously bullshit that it is putting tissue paper in a saw mill. However if anyone actually believes this bullshit fest then tomorrow if I'm lynched I will give you a novel of a read wall. Feel free to discuss it but it will become very clear that I'm so town I have I love town metaphorically tattoo'd on my ass.

That being said if you believe I'm scummy post a goddamn argument. Not a cut and paste fest.

AND I AM A WOMAN! STOP USING HE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

CtR dear, walk away and get a glass of water...

[Instagram]

Okay are you like...crazy? This is so many posts and you don't even explain how. It's like you went through the RNG of posts between me and Vine and had a copy paste montage XD.


You're right that's pretty much exactly what I did.

I don't explain that's not my style. I thought I had already expressed that I believe ever player here is capable of intelligent thought. I was merely attempting to help them save time in the analysis by removing posts that were not relevant to the subject.

[Cut the Rope]

CtR dear, walk away and get a glass of water...

Motion passes I'm afk for a little bit.

[2048]

Well that's the way I interpreted it but how does that relate to the quote? Maybe I miscommunicated my idea?

Vine as been targeting the talkative players that are not going with her plans.

You said:


So, I think today was productive lynch priority is obvious. Vine->Cut The Rope.

I was stating I would probably be next in line after CtR

[Instagram]

Vine as been targeting the talkative players that are not going with her plans.

You said:



I was stating I would probably be next in line after CtR

Nah, I have you pretty town sided tbh. That's why I trust your judgment.

[2048]

You're right that's pretty much exactly what I did.

I don't explain that's not my style. I thought I had already expressed that I believe ever player here is capable of intelligent thought. I was merely attempting to help them save time in the analysis by removing posts that were not relevant to the subject.

Indeed, that actually helps players like me. I don't like re-read past pages unless I have to.

[2048]

Nah, I have you pretty town sided tbh. That's why I trust your judgment.

I was talking about Vine's opinion though.

[Vine]

Yeah..... you realize that being lured by Tapatalk and Tapaltalk dieing makes you a high priority suspect. I just don't understand why you don't see that yourself.

You are the one distracting town and making extreme protests all the time. You are too dangerous to even remain within day chat, let alone allow you go back to night.
Lies. I immediately claimed in my first post and gave my night 1 last will in my second post.

I don't have a choice when 2048 and Cut the Rope are dominating the day chat.

[Instagram]

Lies. I immediately claimed in my first post and gave my night 1 last will in my second post.

I don't have a choice when 2048 and Cut the Rope are dominating the day chat.

Lols

[Instagram]

Kudos to anyone that can point out what is so funny about Vines latest and greatest.

[2048]

Lies. I immediately claimed in my first post and gave my night 1 last will in my second post.

I don't have a choice when 2048 and Cut the Rope are dominating the day chat.
1.) what was a lie?
2.) you just admitted you're distracting town...

[Kik]

Lol, why are you so bent on there being a disguiser? For you, it's almost like you guarantee there is a disguiser. Why is that so?

I'm not "so bent" on it. I literally mentioned it in two posts as a POSSIBILITY. Not saying it's fact. But I do believe that if the researcher claim is actually an elaborate lie by Fruit Ninja and 2048, one of them is probably a disguiser because otherwise it would be way too risky for them.

[Cut the Rope]

Back and I love vanilla icecream....I might have a vanilla ice cream problem. :shy:

[Instagram]

Well I think I'm gonna bounce guys, and I dunno if I'll be back before day ends. Just in case I'm not I want to let you guys know I feel like I'm probably going to die next and just let you know that pretty much everything I said was for a reason. Ciao.

[2048]

Lol, Vine has been visiting the thread but hasn't responded to the mistake she made.

[2048]

Lol, Vine has been visiting the thread but hasn't responded to the mistake she made.

That, good sirs, is why invisible is good. Even if there is a reason, it still looks bad on you.

[Cut the Rope]

LOL 2048...My turn to remind you don't feed the troll...I have ice cream come join me for some.

[2048]

LOL 2048...My turn to remind you don't feed the troll...I have ice cream come join me for some.

Well I just want to see how she's reacting to this(or maybe I don't...), oh well.

I just had Dairy Queen ^.^. Smores is awesomesauce.

[Cut the Rope]

Ahhh damn Dairy Queen is only far out now. :( Stupid economy. Now I want french fries and I just ate oh well. Magnum ice cream bars or Blue Bell are my poison of choice.

[Clash of Clans]

Cut the Rope, days are 48 hours here and people don't log in very often. This is absolutely not the place to get off-topic, please don't post inane comments about ice cream etc. when there's 19 players with at least 5 that aren't posting.

[Clash of Clans]

2048 why are you posting off-topic as well? Because that's post-farming

[Kik]

Are you guys high or something? Why the fuck are you talking about ice cream?

[Clash of Clans]

The following players have little to no presence, especially today:

Bloons TD
Angry Birds
Flappy Bird

The following players have posted 1 or 2 things and then nothing beyond:
4pics1word
Temple Run
Fall Down

For those of you that don't know, my guess at the scum meta per history on this site is 1-2 active scum players and the others strong lurkers. If you're town, please get your shit together and start posting. We literally don't even know if some players have feedback to share yet (ex: roleblocked).

[2048]

2048 why are you posting off-topic as well? Because that's post-farming

Does anyone even care about that little number below your join date anymore? Thought the Post Farm wars ended a year ago.

I've been bored cuz no one was posting. Now I'm on and off a game cuz I got tired of clicked refresh.

[Clash of Clans]

Current reads I feel relatively confident on:

Town (7/14) [Ordered]:
Clash of Clans
Candy Crush Saga
Tapatalk
Quizup
Vine
Cut the Rope
Snapchat

Unknown (13/20):
Flappy Bird
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
Instagram
Angry Birds
2048
4pics1word
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Piano Tiles
Fall Down

Current scumreads:
Instagram, 2048

I believe the other 2 scum are in: {Bloons TD, Angry Birds, Flappy Bird, 4pics1word, Temple Run, Fall Down}

@Piano Tiles
Reads please. You have come in numerous times to comment on people being off topic, but haven't progressed discussion at all yourself. That's called looking for town-cred. What do you think we should be discussing, if you disagree with the inane-ness (which is everywhere)

[Cut the Rope]

Jeez...I did it to lighten up and have some fun. But seriously I am not high. Humor is awesome :)

And I'm pretty sure if they are inactive it's because they mean to me. One post about ice cream won't scare them off.

These are anonymous accounts anyway so what would anyone gain?

[Clash of Clans]

Now in color

Town (7/14) [Ordered]:
Clash of Clans
Candy Crush Saga
Tapatalk
Quizup
Vine
Cut the Rope
Snapchat

Unknown (13/20):
Flappy Bird
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
Instagram
Angry Birds
2048
4pics1word
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Piano Tiles
Fall Down

Current scumreads:
Instagram, 2048

I believe the other 2 scum are in: {Bloons TD, Angry Birds, Flappy Bird, 4pics1word, Temple Run, Fall Down}

[Clash of Clans]

I will be genuinely surprised if Vine flips mafia. The way she acted D1, I would be shocked if she was sent for the kill. The only way she would have been the mafia kill on Tapatalk is if she was already acting out the night kill.

She may be Doomsday Killer, but I reasonably doubt a lone neutral would draw that much attention D1. Yes WIFOM, but it would be sub-optimal play

[Cut the Rope]

Really? Your argument was that Vine was acting it out?
Their entire play is based on derping, faking newbieness, and suggesting outright bullshit. Explain how any of this is "townie" behavior.
They were lured there...It's much more likely that scum meant to kill someone else.

:wondering: *sigh*

[Cut the Rope]

I will be genuinely surprised if Vine flips mafia. The way she acted D1, I would be shocked if she was sent for the kill. The only way she would have been the mafia kill on Tapatalk is if she was already acting out the night kill.

She may be Doomsday Killer, but I reasonably doubt a lone neutral would draw that much attention D1. Yes WIFOM, but it would be sub-optimal play

The underline is my emphasis.

Yes that is exactly the argument being made. Culturals act before the NK. So when Vine got lured the NK hit them instead.
Step 5 is Culturals Enchant
Step 11 is the Regular Mafia kill.

:suspicious:

[Words with Friends]

cut the rope/clash, why can't we just lynch the hostile neutral who is guaranteed not town? then we can discuss vine tomorrow.

vine has risk of lynching a peaceful. fruit ninja does not have that risk.

does someone lured still use their originally planned night action on the given target?

let's just clear that up.

[2048]

Are we seriously going here?

Does nobody understand the important fact of being lured?

If someone is lured, that means their target is changed to them...if they die, there's a great chance that the person they lured killed them! It's so freak'n obvious, so how come it is being denied.

Why are you protecting Vine?

[2048]

does someone lured still use their originally planned night action on the given target?
.

It's the same thing as a witch making a target, target someone else

[Words with Friends]

2048, you are probably right. again...probably. i don't want to risk giving extra kills when we have confirmed not town.

he will possibly be a problem tomorrow. we can leash Vine if that confident. we cannot leash researcher.

[Words with Friends]

It's the same thing as a witch making a target, target someone else

covering the basis since ctr was implying that certain actions may be immune.

if we could eliminate other people visiting vine, it would confirm vine.

[Words with Friends]

**other ppl visting tapatalk

[Cut the Rope]

covering the basis since ctr was implying that certain actions may be immune.

if we could eliminate other people visiting vine, it would confirm vine.

........When did I suggest certain actions may be immune??

Vine is scum. Do not let the peaceful claim fool you. It was ENGINEERED. Anyone who has played mafia before knows you never mass claim that early...EVER in a 7+ person game. *me facepalms*

[Words with Friends]

never say never.

the peaceful claim is not a factor in determining the truth or falsehood of vine's claim. it only factors as risk.

unless and until someone can disprove a third visitor, vine is probable non town. fruit ninja is conf non town.

[Cut the Rope]

never say never.

the peaceful claim is not a factor in determining the truth or falsehood of vine's claim. it only factors as risk.

unless and until someone can disprove a third visitor, vine is probable non town. fruit ninja is conf non town.

No I obviously can't disprove a third visitor. I wish I could so we'd get everyone on board. Because lynching Vine is the right play to do. But what I do know is that Fruit Ninja is not a smart play for us today. They have to play to their win-con. If they have any smarts about them they will do as they said or be the lynch tomorrow.

[Clash of Clans]

cut the rope/clash, why can't we just lynch the hostile neutral who is guaranteed not town? then we can discuss vine tomorrow.

vine has risk of lynching a peaceful. fruit ninja does not have that risk.

does someone lured still use their originally planned night action on the given target?

let's just clear that up.

*checks to see if Fruit Ninja responded to my point on being fickle*

*checks to see if Fruit Ninja has done ANYTHING since revealing*

*checks to see if Fruit Ninja has scum-hunted or helped at all*

Fruit Ninja

[Clash of Clans]

I admit lines 2 and 3 are redundant.

Vine, Cut the Rope is town. I'm not voting her. Your current counter-wagon is Fruit Punch, or you can show why someone else is a good lynch candidate

[Words with Friends]

CtR, scum can fuck up fn and make him sk aligned in a heartbeat. saying he is playing to his wincon is saying it is ok if he puts on a farce.

solid evidence trumps. never let conf not town talk their way out of shit.

[Clash of Clans]

@Cut The Rope

There's a massive number of lurkers in this game. Your opinion on those now. I actually just realized you haven't mentioned that at all, and that's very concerning

[Vine]

........When did I suggest certain actions may be immune??

Vine is scum. Do not let the peaceful claim fool you. It was ENGINEERED. Anyone who has played mafia before knows you never mass claim that early...EVER in a 7+ person game. *me facepalms*

If I manage to convince any newbie Peaceful to claim, the newbie Peaceful is as good as a day-revealed role.

Instagram is not a newbie so he doesn't count.

Oh, by the way, you have a twisted idea of "scumhunting".

You don't actually need to actively chat with other players, ask for opinions and clarifications to "scumhunt". "Active scumhunting" is mostly for show, and only serve to clear our personal doubts.

As long as they post, on whatever topic they wish, by reading their intentions, we can passively use the posts to determine their alignment. To each their own methods. If you want to "scumhunt" in a flashy way, it's your choice. Insulting others only highlight you own arrogance and narrow-mindedness.

You accused players that discuss mechanics of not "scumhunting", but you totally ignored lurkers. Your actions are contradictory.

[Cut the Rope]

CtR, scum can fuck up fn and make him sk aligned in a heartbeat. saying he is playing to his wincon is saying it is ok if he puts on a farce.

solid evidence trumps. never let conf not town talk their way out of shit.

1) If scum fuck him over by visiting the researcher, guess what they fuck over themselves...Scum would not be playing to win-con if they did. Why would they take the researcher and make them an enemy? Doesn't make sense. In order to justify a Fruit Ninja lynch today you either have to assume a townie will play against win con or a scum will. If they do, then we lynch Fruit anyway and the action by the townie/scum is a waste.

Clash of Clash
Yes I hate lurkers.

Secondly I have mentioned lurkers when I was trying to get activity for the lynch during the Vine discussion earlier. I just did not say the word "lurkers".

There's too many lurkers to pick out just one when obv!scum is staring everyone in the face.

[Cut the Rope]

If I manage to convince any newbie Peaceful to claim, the newbie Peaceful is as good as a day-revealed role.

Instagram is not a newbie so he doesn't count.

Oh, by the way, you have a twisted idea of "scumhunting".

You don't actually need to actively chat with other players, ask for opinions and clarifications to "scumhunt". "Active scumhunting" is mostly for show, and only serve to clear our personal doubts.

As long as they post, on whatever topic they wish, by reading their intentions, we can passively use the posts to determine their alignment. To each their own methods. If you want to "scumhunt" in a flashy way, it's your choice. Insulting others only highlight you own arrogance and narrow-mindedness.

You accused players that discuss mechanics of not "scumhunting", but you totally ignored lurkers. Your actions are contradictory.

Ignoring the troll spouting obvious bullshit. /ignore

[Vine]

I admit lines 2 and 3 are redundant.

Vine, Cut the Rope is town. I'm not voting her. Your current counter-wagon is Fruit Punch, or you can show why someone else is a good lynch candidate

If he is a confirmed Researcher (not sure since other candidates are not posting), I want the fatty to boost town happiness and production...



CtR, scum can fuck up fn and make him sk aligned in a heartbeat. saying he is playing to his wincon is saying it is ok if he puts on a farce.

solid evidence trumps. never let conf not town talk their way out of shit.

I doubt Warmongers will want to waste a night action on him. Even if he is SK aligned he needs to be truthful if he doesn't want to be lynched. All this assuming that FN and 2048 are not scumteam.

But you have a point. He is acting anti-town all along, more than enough for his own survival, until it messed up town.

[Cut the Rope]

To my townie friends

In about 15 hours and change we need to have Vine lynched. The other lynches are so remote at this time as to not be achievable with the amount of activity.
Considering most people sleep in or have church/errands whatever until 12 pm this gives about 7 hours of collaboration at best. We really need to make sure people are on Vine before they leave today so we get a lynch. I'm going to be offline for part of the day and may end up missing the day end and this may end up being my last post. I need you to vote Vine if you are town. I don't know how to ask any clearer. A no lynch today is unacceptable.

I need to get some sleep but I am willing to stay up until later than 3 am to demonstrate that lynching Vine is the right play over any other player. If this goes down poorly, I will shoulder it. I have that much belief that this is the right thing to do. Please work with Candy Crush and lynch the scum today.

[Vine]

Researcher's X=3 visit is worth a total of 10 production (+2 happiness is worth a 8 production Residential Area, and another +2 production), the bonus is too great to be ignored (as long as he visited town).

If we have the real Researcher to counterclaim FN then:
1) I will lynch FN
2) Will not force the real Researcher to follow town demands, since he helped us to get a scum

[Vine]

For the Researcher to win, the Researcher should:
1) Get +2 production bonus from ETC together with town
2) Get +2 happiness bonus from WC together with town
3) Get ability to produce vests
4) Get New Stonehenge and keep producing vests!

Please cooperate with town for now. Thanks!

[Clash of Clans]

If I manage to convince any newbie Peaceful to claim, the newbie Peaceful is as good as a day-revealed role.

Instagram is not a newbie so he doesn't count.

Oh, by the way, you have a twisted idea of "scumhunting".

You don't actually need to actively chat with other players, ask for opinions and clarifications to "scumhunt". "Active scumhunting" is mostly for show, and only serve to clear our personal doubts.

As long as they post, on whatever topic they wish, by reading their intentions, we can passively use the posts to determine their alignment. To each their own methods. If you want to "scumhunt" in a flashy way, it's your choice. Insulting others only highlight you own arrogance and narrow-mindedness.

You accused players that discuss mechanics of not "scumhunting", but you totally ignored lurkers. Your actions are contradictory.

The lady doth protest too much.

Vine

No, that's not acceptable

[2048]

4) Get New Stonehenge and keep producing vests!

Please cooperate with town for now. Thanks!

Stonehenge is stated to only with with CURRENT vests at time of production...Having it so late in the game, it would be a CHANCE to have stonehendge at Day 5 with only 1 auto vest with your plan earliest.

[2048]

Stonehenge is stated to only with with CURRENT vests at time of production...Having it so late in the game, it would be a CHANCE to have stonehendge at Day 5 with only 1 auto vest with your plan earliest.

Numbers to backup:
N1 4 ECT/2 to stonehenge
N2 4 WC/4 to stonehenge
N3 8 to vest
N4 2 to vest (1 vest made) 6 to stonehenge
N5 4 to stonehenge(stonehenge produce)(having 1 vest at the time converted to 1 autovest)

Correct: the end of Night 5 would have 1 auto vest

[Vine]

Stonehenge is stated to only with with CURRENT vests at time of production...Having it so late in the game, it would be a CHANCE to have stonehendge at Day 5 with only 1 auto vest with your plan earliest.

Ok... maybe later.

[2048]

Actually i still take that back....would be even longer cuz he would need to contribute to hunger games to MAKE the vests as well...

[Candy Crush Saga]

We can leave Vine where they are at. No one else vote on Vine.



Current reads I feel relatively confident on:

Town (7/14) [Ordered]:
Clash of Clans
Candy Crush Saga
Tapatalk
Quizup
Vine
Cut the Rope
Snapchat


I find it funny that you put yourself on top when I am the only confirmed town :P

And when I say a time, It is relative to game time. I apparently live in the same time zone as mods.

GOD MODE ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!!

If someone is lynched, does day end immediately?

[Candy Crush Saga]

It seems I am 3 hours ahead of the forum so take is as you will

[Vine]

1) Posting my last will before I die, in case scums tried to discredit last will.
2) You should lynch me because you won't trust me as long as I live, since I might be the Doomsday Killer.
3) Once I flip town, at least you will consider my last will.
4) Extra kill by the Doomsday Killer might still hit scum. Doomsday Killer I recommend that you kill Cut the Rope. As scum, she is dangerous to your cause, no? You might want to kill her before night 4, once she caused a few mislynches, before she turns her attention to you.


Reads

Not enough info
Strong town
Leaning town
Leaning scum
Strong scum



Players

Posts
Impression
Voted
Role









Flappy Bird
1
Made it known that he will only troll




iFunny
1
Busy and requested for town organization
Fruit Ninja



Kik

14
Lacked sample size, buddied Fall Down




Bloons TD
2
Made it known that he doesn't care




Instagram
16
Prevented misinformation
Fruit Ninja



SnapChat
7
Lacked sample size
Fruit Ninja



Angry Birds

1
Anti-day 1 discussion

Warmonger


QuizUp
40
Promoting discussion but ignored mechanics altogether
Fruit Ninja
Doomsday killer


Clash of Clans
13
A busy person who tried to organize town
Fruit Ninja



2048
52
Almost all posts are neutral-leaning fluff without content

Warmonger


4pics1word

3
Supported town organization
Fruit Ninja



Candy Crush Saga

1
Voiced support for town organization




Cut The Rope

27
Against organizing town action and full of discredits
Fruit Ninja
Warmonger


Fruit Ninja
39
Promoting apathy in day chat

Warmonger


Temple Run
9
Giving opinions, pro-town organization




Words with Friends
0
Didn't post




Tapatalk

24
Organized town and prevented misinformation
Fruit Ninja



Vine
44
Me!
Fruit Ninja



Piano Tiles
3
Made it known that he does not want to contribute




Fall Down
24
Participated in discussion





2048
A total of 52 posts, almost all which are fluff without content.
Did not vote Fruit Ninja.
Tried to discourage concerted town production by providing vague alternatives (#269-277)

Fruit Ninja
Promoting apathy in day chat.
39 posts of low value.

Angry Birds
Tried to discourage discussion with his single post.

Cut The Rope
Extremely negative against anyone organizing town actions
Trying to discredit good ideas
Tried to expose players who acted dumb, on day 1
Unnecessarily unvoted Fruit Ninja with strange reasoning, only to revote a few post later, after iFunny sheeped (#322-325).

QuizUp
Spent 40 posts promoting discussion with minimal input from himself.
Not afraid at dying at night, from his hyper pro-town act.
The Doomsday Killer!


Actions

N1: 6 production to ET


Explanation

1. Scums don't like newbies who claimed their town role, because everyone will believe the newbie, as if the newbie had a day-reveal role.
2. Proposing good but subpar ideas stimulate discussion and separates the real town from the fakes. Real town will correct your mistakes.


Farewell note

I do hope my Vengeful Thorn hits!

http://i11.static.olcdn.com/cms/201301/31/MzA4135961426874.jpg




Day 2 reads as of post #852

Not enough info
Confirmed town
Strong town
Leaning town
Leaning scum
Strong scum



Players

Posts
Impression
Role








Flappy Bird

8
Replaced and contributed



iFunny
2
Absent



Kik
25
Expressed towny concerns



Bloons TD
2
Absent



Instagram

78
Mostly towny thoughts



SnapChat
17
Towny thoughts



Angry Birds

1
Absent
Possible Warmongers


QuizUp

66
Suspicious drop in activity
Doomsday Killer


Clash of Clans
55
Mostly towny thoughts



2048
157
Sidekick of evil queen
Warmongers (Agent)


4pics1word
5
Minimal activity



Candy Crush Saga
9
Host-revealed town
Peaceful


Cut The Rope

100
Evil queen of misreps
Warmongers (Actor)


Fruit Ninja
64
Dodgy researcher claimer
Warmongers (Disguiser)


Temple Run
16
Afflicted with emotional bias



Words with Friends
68
Suspicious buddying with evil duo
Possible Warmongers


Tapatalk

24
Murdered town



Vine

93
Me!



Piano Tiles

13
No contribution again



Fall Down
25
Lurked





2048
Aware that Vine visited Tapatalk, asked for discussion but did not provide any himself
Vouched for Fruit Ninja
Playstyle similar to FM Greenland: Friendly, posted a lot, but contributed little.

Fruit Ninja
Claimed Researcher
Exhibited anti-town behavior: disrupting discussions and promoting apathy

Angry Birds
Went missing. At -1 happiness, if he is a PR.

Cut The Rope
Twisted words, misrepping and misdirect town with false mechanics.
Ignored Tapatalk's last will and Vine's claim during the start of the day, until Vine continued with organizing town
Lied that Tapatalk scumhunted. Tapatalk actually organized town more.
Playstyle similar to FM Shar-Teel: Gain day chat dominance and cause mislynch by twisting and lying.

QuizUp
Not very active today.

Words with Friends
I don't like him, maybe because of buddying with 2048 and Cut the Rope.


Town production

N2: WC
Day-revealing PRs: 8
Peacefuls: 7
PRs: 4
Countermeasures: Scum cannot claim the extra vote because of day-revealing PRs.

N2: NET
Clash of Clans and Candy Crush Saga (2048 is scum): 8
Countermeasures: Compete with Warmonger for the extra charge

N3: HG
Day-revealing PRs: 8
Peacefuls: 7
PRs: 4
Countermeasures: Beware of Witches.

[Instagram]

I will provide Candy Crush Saga, 2048 and Clash of Clans each with 2 happiness. I must request that no one else visits me tonight. Cause yeah I will have to be against you guys if you do.

I have concluded that Clash of Clans is a risky player to give happiness, can I request you pick a different 3rd target?

[Vine]

I have concluded that Clash of Clans is a risky player to give happiness, can I request you pick a different 3rd target?

Kik, Snapchat or Flappy Bird.

[Vine]

Kik, Snapchat or Flappy Bird.

Fruit Ninja don't visit 2048 again. Visit someone else. More witness the better.

[2048]

Vine, I am very convinced now that you are trying to act like a fool to trick everyone. You are an evil manipulator. You need to be lynched for town to survive.

Time and time again you believe that simply posting your last will and stating the obvious fact that were lured to Tapatalk. And for some reason you think that confirms you as town. Why?

Why do you not see that has the opposite effect and makes you out to be the killer? Do you just ignore EVERYONE in hopes that what you are saying will become fact if you say it enough times?


Fruit Ninja don't visit 2048 again. Visit someone else. More witness the better.

agreed.

With that, I'm off to bed

[Vine]

Vine, I am very convinced now that you are trying to act like a fool to trick everyone. You are an evil manipulator. You need to be lynched for town to survive.

Time and time again you believe that simply posting your last will and stating the obvious fact that were lured to Tapatalk. And for some reason you think that confirms you as town. Why?

Why do you not see that has the opposite effect and makes you out to be the killer? Do you just ignore EVERYONE in hopes that what you are saying will become fact if you say it enough times?

Since when I said I'm confirmed town? I know well enough that I need to die for town to move on, and for my reads to be trusted.

If you said this because I label myself green in my own notes, I'm sorry but you are retarded.

[Words with Friends]

it looks like rational behavior has lost. I will not stand in the way.

Vine

[Flappy Bird]

Had a ton of fun last night..

I came back to be disappointed though. The same FOS with no new logic and a lack of tunneling or any kind of attempt to connect motive to statements. Weak shit brah. For a little more of what I think about the Vine subject-

Vine has blundered quite a few times which, as stated speaks to a lack of experience or intentional misdirection. If it was intentional misdirection the slot would want to not make it obvious in an attempt to pull sheep until he is called out and is required to use it as a defense. There would be a definitive turning point between his "I r stupid, leave me alone' and his 'Follow my bad plan' tatics which I did not see. Also he has not really blundered as much as town makes him out to be.

But

Scum wants dead townies and inexperienced players make easy lynches. This is to say- It looks like total shit when you push hard for a lynch on a player and do not bother to draw out new logical points after a decent amount of players have pointed out the fallacy in the FoS. The motive that points to is "Just wanting someone dead" which is the scum draw or "Being blinded by your instinct by focusing too hard on a player" which is the town draw.

With all that said- Inexperienced in no way means town. He could be scum but this train is total shit in its current form. I really just see it as eating up valuable time in which the town could be making progress in other directions. Either shit or get off the pot.

[Words with Friends]

flappy bird, you and i know fruit ninja is the right lynch but that is not happening. i would rather get probable not town than no lynch at all.

[Flappy Bird]

flappy bird, you and i know fruit ninja is the right lynch but that is not happening. i would rather get probable not town than no lynch at all.

To be honest I love how much info the vine train is giving us. Its a shit sandwich but one that is useful in more ways than one. Unfortunately it also gives a free lurk pass to the 5 or so players who do not feel the need to post because town has their head too far up their ass pressure for content. I will drop the push on fruit tomorrow just to avoid more nonsense like this from coming up. I am glad there is still a few players that can see the blaitent logic of "Lynching a confirmed non-town > Lynching on a hunch" Somehow with all the intelligent players pushing for this lynch I still have yet to see a decent FoS. If you are not speculating at a players motivation behind his posts and instead argue the value of his posts your FoS has very little value (If any at all)

[Words with Friends]

flappy, i think we have scum somewhere here. mechanics talk is a null at best. all the mechanics talk shut down a lot of scumhunting. so did all the talk of vine being conf not town when she isn't. she most likely is but you take out confirmed.

that being said we should still pressure for fruit to get lynched tomorrow unless there is conf not town.

[Flappy Bird]

Kill the researcher.

cut the rope, i don't disagree with your analysis. however, your analysis is probable. fruit ninja is confirmed not town. lynching fruit ninja is the best play. certainty over probability.


@Fruit Ninja
Just read what happens if you hit -3 happiness. Would you be willing to become a jester if we promised to lynch you if we get in a situation we can lynch you and still win? This still puts you in a situation where you can easily side with Warmongers as they would love to lynch you for a free Peaceseeker kill.

This is the only logic point with ANY value to keep him alive to see day 3. And I still do not agree with this plan. Kill the researcher.



VINE IS THE LYNCH TODAY AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES BETTER HAVE A DAMN GOOD REASON.
I Disagree. This slot is the center of a lot of activity. Killing the researcher gives 1 less non-town (Who WILL with absolute certainty become anti-town down the road) and it also creates a potential for catching 2048 if he turns out to be red (Which is unlikely). Even if Fruit was not in the situation he is in I would still disagree with the vine lynch given the fallacy passed off as logic that has backed that train.

I have seen my share of indecisive towns before and that is how we are shaping up. If we do not get this lynch off on the researcher it will just be a distraction every day until we hit a choke point where its obvious he HAS to be lynched because if he is not he can use his vote to lock a certain win in for himself. That is the nature of his win condition and there is no player who will not take a certain win when it is in front of them. As previously stated leashing is not possible on this role. Giving him time is just playing with fire and creates a potential for him to turn jester killing a townie when he is finally lynched- and yes it will be a townie because scum will want to keep him alive.


Given how we fail during the day hopefully there is a cleaver TKR floating around who can make up for this nonsense.

[Flappy Bird]

flappy, i think we have scum somewhere here. mechanics talk is a null at best. all the mechanics talk shut down a lot of scumhunting. so did all the talk of vine being conf not town when she isn't. she most likely is but you take out confirmed.

that being said we should still pressure for fruit to get lynched tomorrow unless there is conf not town.

I am certain that we do. Even if Vine flips red the dooms day killer will be on this train. Our problem in finding those scum will be the sheer amount of players who totally disregarded time management and filled page after page with fluff.

[Words with Friends]

absolutely agreed. preaching to the choir man. fruit ain't getting lynched with ten hours and people not changing. just vote vine so we get some info and candycrush can hammer.

[Flappy Bird]

To put it on other words- I do not think that mechanics discussion is bad. But the way it was done here makes me believe this add saying "Laura Cormier is your Real Estate Profissional" holds more relevant value in my book.

[Flappy Bird]

absolutely agreed. preaching to the choir man. fruit ain't getting lynched with ten hours and people not changing. just vote vine so we get some info and candycrush can hammer.

With 10 hours left I am not putting anyone at L1. I am a big fan of the late hammer. Sense that lynch will happen regardless someone should designate themselves as the hammer and do it sometime in the last 2 hours.

On a side note- Happening or not, My vote will not be on this slot.

[Flappy Bird]

With that said. We could use this time to make some kind of progress on other players.. Mind if I ask you for your thoughts on Instagram?

[Vine]

3 Unhappiness
Researcher: You become a Jester


Researcher
You work on innovative projects that boost Culture and Science, though they aren't always good. You may visit up to 4 people at night. You will lose 1 Happiness only if you visit people, regardless of the amount.
If X = 0, You lose 3 Happiness, but are immune to negative happiness the following day/night.

If a Researcher had X = 0 and happiness became -3 does it mean that he won't become Jester the next night?

[Vine]

Kill the researcher.

No. Lure, extra production and happiness are useful.

[Words with Friends]

instagram very well could be scum. both him and clash promoted plans that appeared distinctly antitown. clash started to have more scumhunting later in the day and posting more logical statements. instagram's iso fails to have the same epiphany.

what are your thoughts on kik?

[Flappy Bird]

Vine- Seeing as that you will undoubtedly be lynched in the coming hours you have the vindication of a roll flip coming your way. So things you say now can be viewed in hindsight as coming from a "Confirmed town". Any chance I could get you to post some slightly more in-depth reasoning as to why you think the scum players on your read list are in fact scum? This is your last opportunity to further your win condition.

[Flappy Bird]

Are you guys high or something? Why the fuck are you talking about ice cream?

This guy is hilarious.

But really. Give me a second and I will throw out something with a little more value.

[Candy Crush Saga]

Lol I forgot about the ice cream discussion. I miss ice cream :(

[Vine]

Vine- Seeing as that you will undoubtedly be lynched in the coming hours you have the vindication of a roll flip coming your way. So things you say now can be viewed in hindsight as coming from a "Confirmed town". Any chance I could get you to post some slightly more in-depth reasoning as to why you think the scum players on your read list are in fact scum? This is your last opportunity to further your win condition.

Cut the Rope

1) Discredits


Ignore the obv!scum troll please. :( Seriously don't make me build the sign.


JUST STOP! ......This plan would out these roles to scum OMG. :(

Vine the way you are posting if you are newbie town I am not going to be sorry for your lynch at all. If you are town you need to stop this bullshit right now.

Damn being busy ATM or that sign would have significant progress.

2) Defended Vine the scum early day 2


Based on looking at the mechanics and the N1 interactions, Vine is probably town. While it is still possible that a scientist power (assuming a scientist is in the game) was used on Vine, it matches up exactly with what the last will indicated, so my thought is probably no scientist use on Vine and that they are telling the truth.


This is a very good logical post and I like the thoroughness of it, but I'm curious as to why you're looking at just Vine and not the people attacking them. Words with friends either made a mistake or an intentional prod of Vine. The reads were already established bullshit though so I don't know if this is adding anything extra. What is making you so sure Vine is scum other than a known liar in Instagram or someone like Clash? With the intro attack on Vine it almost seems like another mislynch attempt.

3) Preventing town from organizing actions

4) Never bothered analyzing night kills (and he posted a lot to "scumhunt")

5) Never bothered pressuring lurkers (and complained about players discussing mechanics)

6) Tapatalk mainly discussed mechanics and organized town actions during day 1, shown in #551-556. Cut the Rope is against discussing mechanics and organizing town actions.

7) Unnecessarily unvoted Fruit Ninja with strange reasoning, only to revote a few post later, after iFunny sheeped (#322-325). Scum if Fruit Ninja is scum.

I think Cut the Rope is an Actor.

[Vine]

Fruit Ninja

Seemed to be a genuine Researcher...


Does the lure aquired from researcher give happiness to the person you used it on?

Can it be used in addition to night abilitys?


I'm not scum, I promise.

I'm assuming that third party hunting means hunting for the doomsday killer, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for the self awareness thing I am merely notifying the town why I may not be there.

Also for the last one I barely understood what you you said sooooo....


Because I feel like she is not a researcher.

Just to make sure, confirm feedback from him tomorrow.

For additional security, Lookouts should camp on Fruit Ninja's TARGETS, not on Fruit Ninja.

[4pics1word]

Sorry for my inactivity but I'm having trouble catching up at the moment, lots of posts being posted while I'm asleep.

I would join the Vine votes but since she is already at L-2 I will only explain why I think that is the best lynch for today.

What do we know? That both the Warmonger and the Doomsday Killer attacked Tapatalk and successfully killed him. Furthermore, Vine has also visited Tapatalk, proof being Tapatalk's last will. The chance that Vine is one of the killers is so high that there is barely any reason not to follow through with a lynch. The chance of Vine being town is way less than her being scum if we solely look at the actions.

Now adding to that is her behaviour. It is largely seen as anti-town and causes confusion amongst us (super short summary, more detail can be seen on the previous pages so..). I can not see a reason where lynching someone that is essentially a survivor at the moment will benefit more than lynching someone who has a VERY HIGH CHANCE of being a killing role. The survivor will not hurt us at the moment, while a killer will. Lynching Vine is not just "on a hunch" as someone has said, we have all the reasons for lynching Vine over a more or less confirmed benign.

[Words with Friends]

vine when you say "scum if fruit ninja is scum" are you including the researcher as scum?

points 3 and 4 can be disagreements. point 5 if accurate is ok. point 6 is null. there was so much setup spec on day 1 it made my eyes bleed. points 7 and 2 are your best points.

i see a total lack of reasoning for the role deduction. explain?

lastly, lookout should be on conftown. people who get happiness can verify.

[Words with Friends]

4pics, care to comment on something not already decided?

[4pics1word]

4pics, care to comment on something not already decided?

Counterquestion: Why were you and Flappy Bird discussing something already decided?

I will when I decide I can contribute something and of my own free will. Last post was just for people like you who think that lynching Vine is still not the best idea.

[Vine]

vine when you say "scum if fruit ninja is scum" are you including the researcher as scum?

points 3 and 4 can be disagreements. point 5 if accurate is ok. point 6 is null. there was so much setup spec on day 1 it made my eyes bleed. points 7 and 2 are your best points.

i see a total lack of reasoning for the role deduction. explain?

lastly, lookout should be on conftown. people who get happiness can verify.

Researcher is benign. Not scum. It's also possible that she thought Fruit Ninja is the Doomsday Killer. Warmongers need Doomsday Killer to stay alive for a few days.

Scums who vie for town leader role are normally immune to investigation.

The reason I asked Lookouts on Fruit Ninja's target are to:
1) Discourage Warmongers from visiting Fruit Ninja make Fruit Ninja look traitorous. Lookouts can confirm that Fruit Ninja kept to his promise.
2) Discourage Warmongers from killing Fruit Ninja's targets, whom will compete with them for Wonders.

[Quizup]

absolutely agreed. preaching to the choir man. fruit ain't getting lynched with ten hours and people not changing. just vote vine so we get some info and candycrush can hammer.
Yeah, you're scum.

[Words with Friends]

pics, we were discussing how to wrap up the vine lynch and future plans, things not decided.

vine, i would rather have lookout guard conftown but the wifom value of this discusdion means we should just agree to disagree.

[Words with Friends]

quizup, i love a little mudpie for breakfast.

you're scum too. ;)

[Cut the Rope]

Hey ya'll I was able to make it back a little bit before the end of the day. Probably got an hour at best and I'm multitasking.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/27718-M-FM-Civilization?p=450288&viewfull=1#post450288

That post is obviously a telegraph to scum. *facepalms* If you're going to leave a note for your buddies at least talk end of day messaging for your death with them so obvious shit like this doesn't happen. Forum scum 101 is how to comm with your buddies during the day since scum doesn't have daychat.

If anyone other than Vine would like me to defend against that listing, let me know. Otherwise I'm putting it in the ignore the troll category.

[Flappy Bird]

Post 126 Justification and relevant host questions that would allow more a optimal use of production. Those questions have no bearing on town vs scum but a slight argument could be made that if he was scum the question would have been better suited for night chat or pm to prevent the town from gaining the advantage of this answer.

Post 127 Fluff

Post 128 Anti shitty plan. I have no idea why anyone would agree with an early mass rolecall plan. Might as well give the scum a road map on who to kill.

Post 170 Organised breakdown of the towns reaction to vines plan with a very relevant scum-hunting question.

Post 171 Conversational and mostly irrelevant. Shows he pays attention to detail.

Post 176 Answer my question hosts

Post 177 Nigga has balls. Shows he is thinking 2 steps ahead and drawing connections for the potential role flip. Also could point to a back-tunnel which is something I love doing. But this is neutral between town-scum. Its either a smart scum preparing for his next misslynch or its a town carving some origination out of a blundering mess of players.

Post 181 Host question/Neutral

Post 182 Clarification of host question //Neutral

Post 248 Calling Quizup's plan shit. States there is no value in demanding player interaction. When I read the post he was referencing I thought the same but I would have just as soon said nothing on it because it is an attempt to get content which could provide more posts to analyze. I would call this slightly on the scum end of the spectrum but not really note worthy.

Post 249 Calling Instagram out on his shit habit of smoke and mirrors.

Post 250 Giggles for the troll post

Post 319 Host question and justification for future inactivity

Day 2

Post 377

FM Vine

Still think he's scum and as I mentioned yesterday, I think his flip will give us information about Fall Down's alignment as well. Plus, a number of other people suspect Vine so I don't think it will be too difficult for us to get the votes.

Oh, and nothing happened to me last night.

This is the post he is referencing


Two things. One, South Korea was not purposefully acting scummy. In fact, I knew he was town the whole time and didn't really understand why everyone was always on his dick. But either way, that is not really relevant to this game. So let's talk about this game.

Things that happened:
Vine posted a stupid plan
People discussed plan, said it was stupid
Some stupids agreed with it
You disagree with it, but still defend him.

Seems like an attempt to defend your mafia pal without buddying him too hard. So you say you disagree, but then try to convince us that he's an important town trying to WIFOM. The fact is that if you were really town and you really believed this to be true, you would not have pointed it out, because doing so defeats the point of it and exposes him as important town.

Just to be sure, though: Do the mafia currently know the identities and/or roles of their fellow mafia members?

This one is interesting. He looks more like he is dug into Fall Down than Vine and came out the gate with the vote. His reference of "as I mentioned yesterday" was a bit odd. It feels like a "I have been focused on Vine" when only one of the days posts gently insinuated that vine was scum and only by connection to Fall Down. In a word- I do not care for this post at all. It is out right- "Lets lynch this guy" not "Lets put pressure on this guy and see where it takes us". I read this interaction as scummy but if vine flips red I would be much more comfortable.

Post 379 Fixes vote

Post 446 He attacks Vines reads. I agree with his logic

Post 448 This made me snicker.

Post 452

Where were the reads already called out as being bullshit? I must've missed it. I admit I've been skimming because I've been busy the last couple days. I'm hoping things will die down a bit tomorrow so I can read more closely and take more/better notes. In any case, I marked that post when I was skimming as something I wanted to go back and respond to, so I did. My instinct on WWF is that he just made a mistake, but I'll have to re-examine his posts to be sure. I am not necessarily sure Vine is scum, I am just suspicious of him because his "plan" yesterday was basically for everyone to claim. Though I'll admit it's unlikely that scum would be so brazen, it could could be a gambit to get us to follow that exact line of thinking to assume Vine is town and let him fly under the radar all game.

The last will of Tapatalk confirms that Vine was lured, so Vine may very well be one of the scum that attacked Tapatalk.

This caught my attention as well. He says he is just skimming posts but came out with a Lynch target in his first post of the day. This is in contradiction with my read on him as a player. Then he back tracks his FoS on Vine. When I read that paragraph it feels totally void of the confidence shown in the prior 2 posts on vine (446 and 377) but directly below it the confidence is restored with a side note of Vine's Lure. I have trouble labeling this as scummy simply because I probably would not be confident in a post where I admitted I did not read the chat. If I live long enough to re-visit Kik I will take a second look at this. Really I need more interactions from him to get a better feel for his mind.

Post 458 Revealed smoke and mirrors? Why would a player who is pushing for organization earlier in the game know what someone was asking and fuck with them? Slight FoS on Quizup after he clarified. This is probably the first post I read some emotional content in.

Post 462 More emotional content. Second paragraph calls out Cut the Rope on his links speaking to Kik being through. Re-asserts the lure=killer logic

Post 761 Logic on researcher's reveal and potential for a disguisers

Post 762 Better logic on disguisers

Post 807 he threw out the connection between Fruit and 2048 which had been overlooked for the most part. A lot in common with post 177. Now if either lynch happens he will have a follow-up target.


All in all the vine role flip will speak quite a bit. Most of his plays are town but there are some glaring inconsistency here and there. The cop-out of skimming, The strong desire to see a kill and not a pressure vote. I am leaning slightly scum on him but it would be on par with the way townies make an effort not to look too townie. Regardless of my alignment read its easy to see that he is a very experienced player who has every intention of controlling the lynch targets to some degree. If he is scum I would not expect a scum slip.

For now I am leaning slightly scum. There are a few things he has said that I do not care for which speak to his motivation. Im not going to say I support a lynch on him but he is a player I will keep my eye on..

[Flappy Bird]

Wall was on KiK by the way.

[Cut the Rope]

Wall was on KiK by the way.

I know. I was referring to Vine's hilariously bad attempt to paint me as scum.

[Flappy Bird]

And because I did not see it asked..

If a player is selected as the red killer and gets lured is he locked into preforming a killing action?

[Vine]

If Kik suspect Fall Down and Vine for buddying on day 1?, and found a reason to lynch one of them the next day (in this case Vine), isn't that consistent?

If you are Warmongers, and found that Doomsday Killer was caught on day 2, would you vote the Doomsday Killer immediately, or wait and hesitate?

[Flappy Bird]

Counterquestion: Why were you and Flappy Bird discussing something already decided?

I will when I decide I can contribute something and of my own free will. Last post was just for people like you who think that lynching Vine is still not the best idea.

I am going to beat the subject of "killing the researcher" until it happens. I can not say enough the incentive of survivor win conditions to flip sides. Add that to the mechanics that can define him as anti-town and you pretty much have a confirmed scum sitting in the open with the town chasing its tail. The only question is will the town lynch him before he becomes a jester or double crosses.

[Cut the Rope]

Flappy Bird -- While I disagree with you I applaud you sticking to your guns. If Fruit Ninja screws this up in any manner, he's the next day lynch. So we just have to wait and see what happens here. In the next 1 or 2 days I think they have to be the lynch to prevent anti-town flipping but today IMO Vine was the better call.

[Flappy Bird]

If Kik suspect Fall Down and Vine for buddying on day 1?, and found a reason to lynch one of them the next day (in this case Vine), isn't that consistent?

If you are Warmongers, and found that Doomsday Killer was caught on day 2, would you vote the Doomsday Killer immediately, or wait and hesitate?

I read motivation and tone. You should re-read my comments on those specific 2 linked posts.

Lets not give the scum logical thoughts on how to play better by discussing what "I would do if I were scum"

[Quizup]

If I were scum, I would shoot myself. That seems like the best way to make myself look town.

[4pics1word]

I am going to beat the subject of "killing the researcher" until it happens. I can not say enough the incentive of survivor win conditions to flip sides. Add that to the mechanics that can define him as anti-town and you pretty much have a confirmed scum sitting in the open with the town chasing its tail. The only question is will the town lynch him before he becomes a jester or double crosses.

I don't disagree with a Fruit Ninja lynch. I just disagree with the argument that the researcher should be lynched today instead of a very likely killer. I'd agree on a researcher lynch for tomorrow if nothing else comes up.

[Flappy Bird]

So- to redirect conversation to something productive..

I want to hear more from Temple run. Dirty lurker.

And I would like to see players throw out more conversation on who else could be scum. We still have time that could be used for progress rather than redundant bullshit.

Quizup- What do you think of Words with Friends?

[Quizup]

I think he's scum trying to buddy people.

[Words with Friends]

If I were scum, I would shoot myself. That seems like the best way to make myself look town.

lol! you troll hard. pushing against majority lynch is not a fast way to make friends.

[Cut the Rope]

My thoughts on most likely scum are
1) Vine - who will soon be dead
2) Instagram
3) Clash of Clans
4) Quizup

Thoughts of the roles involved are:
Culturalist/or other early game weak scum role that can be used for NK -- Vine
The other three I'm not quite sure who I'd peg on but I'd guess it'd be from the mix of other roles already mentioned -- Scientist, Disguiser, and Actor

Again the attempts by Vine to scumify me are showing how scummy Vine really is. Vine knows they will flip scum and that I am town. The only way to discredit my flip is to say I'm an actor. Too bad ya'll still get my last will though so it will be painfully obvious that I am town if I die.

I'll expand on reasons in my last will and/or tomorrow if I'm still alive. There's about a mountain of evidence and rushing through it IMO doesn't do it justice.

[Vine]

You are talking as if you are the one being lynched today...

[Cut the Rope]

I believe I'm going to be the night kill. You so nicely advertised for the serial killer to kill me and for your buddies to kill me by night 4 if I'm not dead yet. I'm on borrowed time and I'm doing my damndest with every minute I have left.

[Flappy Bird]

My thoughts on most likely scum are
1) Vine - who will soon be dead
2) Instagram
3) Clash of Clans
4) Quizup

Thoughts of the roles involved are:
Culturalist/or other early game weak scum role that can be used for NK -- Vine
The other three I'm not quite sure who I'd peg on but I'd guess it'd be from the mix of other roles already mentioned -- Scientist, Disguiser, and Actor

Again the attempts by Vine to scumify me are showing how scummy Vine really is. Vine knows they will flip scum and that I am town. The only way to discredit my flip is to say I'm an actor. Too bad ya'll still get my last will though so it will be painfully obvious that I am town if I die.

I'll expand on reasons in my last will and/or tomorrow if I'm still alive. There's about a mountain of evidence and rushing through it IMO doesn't do it justice.

Yeah. I love last wills.
Why do you think you are such a good scum kill target?

[Cut the Rope]

For starters ---
1) When Vine flips scum I helped to make sure it stayed on track.
2) Multiple people on my scum list claimed that Vine was town and tried to convince me off with shitty arguments.
3) Scum advertised for the serial killer to kill me.
4) Been stopping town derping the entire two days of stupid suggested bullshit plans. When I'm not online people actually discuss stupid hypothesis.
5) Instagram after I called them out on their shit, made sure to suggest I'm the next day lynch on absolutely nothing. So they have to do something to shut me up.
Flappy Bird -- You'll love mine. I'm having to add a spoiler tag to keep it somewhat readable due to length. There will be plenty.

[Flappy Bird]

If I live. I always just assume I am dead the next day anyways so I yolo the fuck out of stepping on toes.

Its too bad I have to wait to read it. I think Instagram is pretty high on everyone's list right now. I was going to just tip toe around the subject for the rest of the day but to be blunt Instagram gives me scum vibes all over the place.

I couldn't help but notice your list was pretty much all of the top contributors. Is there any lurky players that caught your attention?

[Cut the Rope]

Honestly I wish there was a lurker I was suspicious of. My general play is to pressure the lurkers to come out. I like Quizup because if I am right in who they are they are usually more active so their lurking D2 seems suspicious.

Because of how much following of the public plan *facepalm* there was, I am not really feeling lurker scum right now. That being said there isn't much to go on which annoys the fuck out of me and my mapping.

[Vine]

Make sure to lynch me. Thanks and good night.

[Flappy Bird]

I think he's scum trying to buddy people.

Could you go into more detail on why you think he is scum? A buddy argument could be easily made but I am curious as to what other behaviors from him really stuck out.

[Flappy Bird]

Honestly I wish there was a lurker I was suspicious of. My general play is to pressure the lurkers to come out. I like Quizup because if I am right in who they are they are usually more active so their lurking D2 seems suspicious.

Because of how much following of the public plan *facepalm* there was, I am not really feeling lurker scum right now. That being said there isn't much to go on which annoys the fuck out of me and my mapping.

Yeah. This game caught a train way too fast. The time that would have been used to focus on lurkers got thrown to the early researcher and Vine. Unfortunately I do not believe tomorrow will be much better.

Also
There are quite a few unanswered questions hosts

[Flappy Bird]

Make sure to lynch me. Thanks and good night.

Just for shits and giggles my thought is that if Vine is scum the flip will be yellow. I really kind of expect to read all about a peacekeeper lynched in a few hours.

[Cut the Rope]

Yeah. This game caught a train way too fast. The time that would have been used to focus on lurkers got thrown to the early researcher and Vine. Unfortunately I do not believe tomorrow will be much better.

Also
There are quite a few unanswered questions hosts

Hey! We finally agree on something! Stop the presses the world is going to end!

And do you have a few last minute questions for me Flappy Bird? I'm trying to get some last minute stuff together before I have to head out for errands and such and may not be back by end of day. I hope to be but maybe not.

But I don't think Vine will flip peacekeeper. If they do then there's some funky ass shit going on here and way too many unanswered questions like:

1) How did they know there was a Disguiser and they were almost done with the school?

They got lured so they probably wouldn't have had any of their night actions available and claimed to have none. So based on how much they claim to know definitively if they flip peacekeeper I will be amazed.

All

If 2048 gets back online make sure they keep their word. They said they'd put their vote on Vine and haven't yet. We have to lynch today period. Poke pull pressure prod. If 2048 doesn't vote Vine they get my shit list ire. And Candy Crush should be available to hammer hopefully.

[Vine]

But I don't think Vine will flip peacekeeper. If they do then there's some funky ass shit going on here and way too many unanswered questions like:

1) How did they know there was a Disguiser and they were almost done with the school?

They got lured so they probably wouldn't have had any of their night actions available and claimed to have none. So based on how much they claim to know definitively if they flip peacekeeper I will be amazed.

I lied, I'm still around. I'm not going to let you preempt that I'm an Actor.

Stupid question. Any Disguiser with half a brain will start with School. New Eiffel Tower is too risky.

[Quizup]

Vine, why are you so insistent of being lynched?

[Cut the Rope]

I lied, I'm still around. I'm not going to let you preempt that I'm an Actor.

Stupid question. Any Disguiser with half a brain will start with School. New Eiffel Tower is too risky.

Again -- still assumes facts not in evidence. No one mentioned Disguiser til you did.

[Flappy Bird]

Hey! We finally agree on something! Stop the presses the world is going to end!

And do you have a few last minute questions for me Flappy Bird? I'm trying to get some last minute stuff together before I have to head out for errands and such and may not be back by end of day. I hope to be but maybe not.

But I don't think Vine will flip peacekeeper. If they do then there's some funky ass shit going on here and way too many unanswered questions like:

1) How did they know there was a Disguiser and they were almost done with the school?

They got lured so they probably wouldn't have had any of their night actions available and claimed to have none. So based on how much they claim to know definitively if they flip peacekeeper I will be amazed.

All

If 2048 gets back online make sure they keep their word. They said they'd put their vote on Vine and haven't yet. We have to lynch today period. Poke pull pressure prod. If 2048 doesn't vote Vine they get my shit list ire. And Candy Crush should be available to hammer hopefully.

Lol.

I have a lot of questions but most of them fall in the range of that list you do not want to post tomorrow. Tomorrow will be an interesting day with plenty of walls of text to go around. I will say that it is extremely odd for a player to "Say they will vote" instead of just "Voting". Best case scenario (For scum hunting) would be Vine flipping red but this would also lead to split trains tomorrow.

Sense you are on your way out any quick thoughts on that wall I posted of Kik?

[Vine]

Again -- still assumes facts not in evidence. No one mentioned Disguiser til you did.

Yes, wait till the Disguiser disguises, then we worry.

Or hee, I have vests, and Doctors on me, I'm invincible! Only to be shot by Warmonger.

*sarcasm*

[Quizup]

Vine, why are you so insistent of being lynched?
Hey, hey Vine.

[Cut the Rope]

About the questions -- If you want go ahead and leave them anyway. I'll make sure they are covered in my last will so you get the answers regardless of if I make it back in time. If I make it back in time they will be the top priority.
About the 2048 thing -- I think it's a little fishy but I think 2048 was of a similar vein to you to keep discussion going to find scum before trying to hit Vine (for your case if I follow I'd replace Vine with Fruit Ninja.)
About the Kik Wall -- I hate PBPA. It generally leads to conf bias. I get a town feel for Kik. Most of the posts I've seen are generally useful to town. I'm not seeing the scum read but I'll look over it in more detail tonight.

I'm out ya'll! Later! Get some scum for me!

[Words with Friends]

Again -- still assumes facts not in evidence. No one mentioned Disguiser til you did.

this argument about someone mentioning a possible scum action and divining a counter that requires outing no town information is pretty protown. we should all have disguiser codes. i don't think anything else can be countered quite so efficiently. the fact you are pushing this as OMG! scum makes me think what the fuck


flappy, i'm not a fan of the inconsistencies you bring up about kik. he seemed largely forgettable to me. did you divine any stances other than fruit ninja and vine?

[King Terenas Menethil]

We can leave Vine where they are at. No one else vote on Vine.




I find it funny that you put yourself on top when I am the only confirmed town :P

And when I say a time, It is relative to game time. I apparently live in the same time zone as mods.

GOD MODE ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!!

If someone is lynched, does day end immediately?

Candy Crush Saga the Speaker has revealed himself.

12771,3

Yes.

[Quizup]

And now I'm really angry.

[Flappy Bird]

Desguiser code:

Avv q wilbgb msdeffg lsnxw

And I sure did. Throw out a name and I will give some thoughts on them.

[King Terenas Menethil]

cut the rope/clash, why can't we just lynch the hostile neutral who is guaranteed not town? then we can discuss vine tomorrow.

vine has risk of lynching a peaceful. fruit ninja does not have that risk.

does someone lured still use their originally planned night action on the given target?

let's just clear that up.

No, it will target to the person who is luring.


If a Researcher had X = 0 and happiness became -3 does it mean that he won't become Jester the next night?

If he get to 3 Unhappiness or more, He will become a jester. But if you have 2 Unhappiness, you are just immune to getting your happiness any lower the following night.


And because I did not see it asked..

If a player is selected as the red killer and gets lured is he locked into preforming a killing action?

If someone is sent to do the killing and is lured to someone, he will kill that target.

[Flappy Bird]

Candy Crush Saga the Speaker has revealed himself.

12771,3

Yes.

Lol. I did not see this coming but its just as well. Vine is doomed as hell right there.

[Quizup]

No, it is not just as well. A confirmable townie decided to go for the confimable townie slot. Why.

[Clash of Clans]

Candy Crush Saga the Speaker has revealed himself.

12771,3

Yes.

Are you fucking kidding me

You knew you could day!confirm yourself and you still fucking put 6 production into the ETC

[Words with Friends]

this day, so derp

[Clash of Clans]

*throws hands up*

smrdmrgysuvor siwllemaroiv

Disguiser code, though I'd be shocked if a Disguiser went for me

Seriously Candy Crush Saga. What. The. Fuck. DId you not even read the fucking setup? Were you just blindly throwing production because me/others said so in daychat? What the fuc

[Clash of Clans]

And why reveal on D2, when everyone thinks you're a Citizen. It's literally the perfect defense.

Why do I have to be town the games where town makes stupid moves. Seriously

[Clash of Clans]

You know what?

You have enough votes to lynch Vine. Candy Crush Saga

Because I can

[Quizup]

Disguiser code: HSRXHITIRHSHSXLIVWAEPOSHCSZVSARXASPIKW

Clash of Clans is still town.

[Snapchat]

*throws hands up*

smrdmrgysuvor siwllemaroiv

Disguiser code, though I'd be shocked if a Disguiser went for me

Seriously Candy Crush Saga. What. The. Fuck. DId you not even read the fucking setup? Were you just blindly throwing production because me/others said so in daychat? What the fuc

I can agree with this. wtf we could have had 2 confirmed townies and you blew it Candy Crush. We could have had a citizen confirm themselves and then later when we needed the speaker you could have revealed and there we have 2 confirmed townies. You basically just wasted a huge reason why we invested in the ETC.

[Quizup]

Snapchat, what are your reads?

[Angry Birds]

Hello again. I apologize for the lack of much activity here so far.

Clash of Clans... voting to lynch Candy Crush Saga because you can? So you're just wasting your vote? I can't think of a reason for a peaceseeker to suggest the lynch of a confirmed peaceseeker.. regardless of the knowledge that it would not happen.

On Day 2 it seems most likely to me that Vine is scum, judging by past posts.

<vote>Vine</vote>

[Angry Birds]

Vine

[Quizup]

Angry Birds: What are your thoughts on the other players in the game?

Why is Clash's vote scummy?

[4pics1word]

Disguiser code: E JYGUSY BVVELTX ALFT TKJKW VYYXH NYQSB WV XMIJ

Holy hell, this is hilarious(ly stupid).

I'd agree with Angry Birds if it weren't for the fact that we still have Candy Crush who can easily hammer Vine.
The reasoning being that Clash would want to delay the lynch on a killer if he were scum, by revoking his vote he can hope that there won't be enough players to join the train near the end of the day. But it's quite a bold assumption if you take the rest of the game into context, which is why Clash's vote isn't as scummy as it seems.

[Kik]

Wow. I've seen a lot of stupid moves in FMs before, but I have to say, this one might be the worst. I think it's between this and the doctor getting himself lynched on day 1 of FM 19.

Welp. I'd better do this before the hammer comes down. Disguiser code: LJGIBUITFRH

[Kik]

Snapchat, what are your reads?

You're doing that thing again where you ask for other people to say things, but don't say anything of value yourself. Stop doing that.

[Clash of Clans]

Disguiser code: E JYGUSY BVVELTX ALFT TKJKW VYYXH NYQSB WV XMIJ

Holy hell, this is hilarious(ly stupid).

I'd agree with Angry Birds if it weren't for the fact that we still have Candy Crush who can easily hammer Vine.
The reasoning being that Clash would want to delay the lynch on a killer if he were scum, by revoking his vote he can hope that there won't be enough players to join the train near the end of the day. But it's quite a bold assumption if you take the rest of the game into context, which is why Clash's vote isn't as scummy as it seems.

Vine (8 [L-2])



Candy Crush Saga is the mayor with 3 votes.


Shieeeeeeet you figured out my master plan

4pics1word is scum btw. There's no way you're town and post like 4 times the entire day, and then slide in just to post that. Tsk tsk too convenient, and you fit in the category of "scum lurkers." Aka you post a couple times to stay under the radar

[Clash of Clans]

Wow. I've seen a lot of stupid moves in FMs before, but I have to say, this one might be the worst. I think it's between this and the doctor getting himself lynched on day 1 of FM 19.

Welp. I'd better do this before the hammer comes down. Disguiser code: LJGIBUITFRH

This. Like jesus christ seriously?? At the absolute least, you could have pretended to be a Citizen, and then lategame if we passed LYLO you could use youe extra votes to save us from deadlock or something

[Clash of Clans]

Vine (8 [L-2])



Shieeeeeeet you figured out my master plan

4pics1word is scum btw. There's no way you're town and post like 4 times the entire day, and then slide in just to post that. Tsk tsk too convenient, and you fit in the category of "scum lurkers." Aka you post a couple times to stay under the radar

Actually you didn't take as solid a stance as I thought in that first sentence.

Change that to at least one scum in Angry Birds / 4pics1word

[Clash of Clans]

Disguiser code: HSRXHITIRHSHSXLIVWAEPOSHCSZVSARXASPIKW

Clash of Clans is still town.

Can you stop? Playing a broken record doesn't get anything accomplished. Why don't you give reads on everyone else, since I would expect you to be pretty good at reads anyways

[Quizup]

Disguiser code: E JYGUSY BVVELTX ALFT TKJKW VYYXH NYQSB WV XMIJ

Holy hell, this is hilarious(ly stupid).

I'd agree with Angry Birds if it weren't for the fact that we still have Candy Crush who can easily hammer Vine.
The reasoning being that Clash would want to delay the lynch on a killer if he were scum, by revoking his vote he can hope that there won't be enough players to join the train near the end of the day. But it's quite a bold assumption if you take the rest of the game into context, which is why Clash's vote isn't as scummy as it seems.
Do not garcia. Come on man. And no, not only is Clash's vote not scummy, it's a major towntell.

[Quizup]

You're doing that thing again where you ask for other people to say things, but don't say anything of value yourself. Stop doing that.
Kik, man, I've said numerous things of value. Now I'm trying to get more content so I can say more things of value. Go say scummy things to someone else.

[Words with Friends]

Actually you didn't take as solid a stance as I thought in that first sentence.

Change that to at least one scum in Angry Birds / 4pics1word

i was wondering if you would notice angry birds did the same thing as well. there have been a few people who miraculously have shown up and said "yup vine's scummy and should be the lynch" well after it was effectively decided.

[Clash of Clans]

Current reads:

Town list is only one ordered
Town (8/14):
Clash of Clans
Candy Crush Saga
Tapatalk
Snapchat
Quizup
Cut the Rope
Flappy Bird
Kik

Unknown (9/20):
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
Angry Birds OR 4pics1word
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Piano Tiles
Vine
Fall Down


Neutral (1/1):
Fruit Ninja

Doomsday (0/1):

Mafia (3/4):
2048?
4pics1word OR Angry Birds
Instagram

I would say I'm sure Vine is town because of A and B, except for C.

A: High attention behavior D1
B: Had to have performed the night kill to have killed Tapatalk

C: Wants citizens to claim

A and B do not fit for Doomsdaykiller
A and B do not fit for the mafia member performing the kill (UNLESS had a role that didn't want to use a charge yet ex: disguiser)

[Clash of Clans]

i was wondering if you would notice angry birds did the same thing as well. there have been a few people who miraculously have shown up and said "yup vine's scummy and should be the lynch" well after it was effectively decided.

I noticed, but there's the slight alibi of Angry Birds finally reading the thread etc., while 4pics1word has posted already today (inconsequentially though)

[Kik]

Kik, man, I've said numerous things of value. Now I'm trying to get more content so I can say more things of value. Go say scummy things to someone else.

No. No, you haven't. Just glancing at your post history I can immediately see that because your last 20 or so posts are one-liners, many of which are just questions. And nice attempt at deflecting back to me, but this ain't kindergarten, so the "I'm rubber, you're glue" routine isn't going to get you anywhere.

[Quizup]

i was wondering if you would notice angry birds did the same thing as well. there have been a few people who miraculously have shown up and said "yup vine's scummy and should be the lynch" well after it was effectively decided.
And you didn't attack them because?

[Kik]

And you didn't attack them because?

Oh look, another question.

[Quizup]

Kik: I'm wondering about your reading comprehension. If you can't understand why I'm asking that question, I don't really want to deal with you. (Here's a hint: Words with Friends just scumclaimed).

[Clash of Clans]

Current reads:

Town list is only one ordered
Town (8/14):
Clash of Clans
Candy Crush Saga
Tapatalk
Snapchat
Quizup
Cut the Rope
Flappy Bird
Kik

Unknown (8/20):
iFunny
Bloons TD
Angry Birds OR 4pics1word
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Piano Tiles
Vine
Fall Down


Neutral (1/1):
Fruit Ninja

Doomsday (0/1):

Mafia (3/4):
2048?
4pics1word OR Angry Birds
Instagram


Now with Kik in exactly one category instead of two

[Kik]

Kik: I'm wondering about your reading comprehension. If you can't understand why I'm asking that question, I don't really want to deal with you. (Here's a hint: Words with Friends just scumclaimed).

I do understand why you're asking them. I've already said it before, but I'll repeat it again. Maybe it will sink in this time. You ask questions to make it seem like you're an actively contributing town member, when in fact you just frequently post nothing of substance.

[Words with Friends]

And you didn't attack them because?

just who was I supposed to "attack"? what would such an "attack" do other than spread mist since I'm pretty sure clash is town now? it is not like any attack on anyone has any effect since we are lynching vine.

[Clash of Clans]

just who was I supposed to "attack"? what would such an "attack" do other than spread mist since I'm pretty sure clash is town now? it is not like any attack on anyone has any effect since we are lynching vine.

So why not provide a list of players that have done that? Or categorize them in some way?

Or say "hey guys in case I am night killed here's who's sliding by under the radar"?

Hint: Do it now please

[Kik]

Seriously, I invite everyone to just take a quick glance at this (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12767-Quizup). You don't even have to read them to see what I'm talking about. Just quickly scroll down and look at how many of the posts are only one or two sentences long, and how many of those sentences end in a question mark. Quizup has not contributed an original though in quite some time, if ever.

[4pics1word]

Vine (8 [L-2])



Shieeeeeeet you figured out my master plan

4pics1word is scum btw. There's no way you're town and post like 4 times the entire day, and then slide in just to post that. Tsk tsk too convenient, and you fit in the category of "scum lurkers." Aka you post a couple times to stay under the radar

Lurking implies me being physically there. When I'm here then you will see that at the bottom of the page (which hasn't been that often). Whether or not you believe that isn't entirely my problem. *shrugs*

[Flappy Bird]

This is hilarious. Really. I am just laughing my ass off right now. I had to step back for a bit after that mayor reveal.

Quizup- I would really like to see some more content to your posts.

[Words with Friends]

So why not provide a list of players that have done that? Or categorize them in some way?

Or say "hey guys in case I am night killed here's who's sliding by under the radar"?

Hint: Do it now please

on it.

briefly from memory: snapchat, 4pics, angry birds, piano tiles, temple run all appear only when no debate is happening.

ifunny, bloonstd and fall down have posted nothing memorable today.

town: clash, kik, flappy, 2048 + the obvious

unknown: cut the rope, quizup

scum: instagram

[Kik]

Seriously, I invite everyone to just take a quick glance at this (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12767-Quizup). You don't even have to read them to see what I'm talking about. Just quickly scroll down and look at how many of the posts are only one or two sentences long, and how many of those sentences end in a question mark. Quizup has not contributed an original though in quite some time, if ever.

But if you do choose to read them (and why wouldn't you? it won't take very long) you'll see that even the posts that aren't questions are still filler.

[Quizup]

just who was I supposed to "attack"? what would such an "attack" do other than spread mist since I'm pretty sure clash is town now? it is not like any attack on anyone has any effect since we are lynching vine.
You just painted "a few people" as probably scum with a broad brush without specifying who those people are or pressuring them in any way. You did this as a form of doubtcasting, diverting Clash's attention, setting up mislynches for toMorrow, and (if one of those people is your scummate) so you can have something to point back to to clear yourself when we lynch them.

Kik: You're being stupid. One liners are not indicative of a lack of content, especially when they are all important to the gamestate. I am engaging people and pushing this forward. Though, it would help a lot if people would actually bother to answer my questions. You are pointing fingers over nothing.

[Angry Birds]

So far Clash of Clans and Vine are my top suspects for scrum. Cut the Rope is most likely town. I need to look some more at the others

[Quizup]

Angry Birds: Nice job agreeing with the main consensus of the town. Why do you think Clash is scum?

[Words with Friends]

quizup, now who is leading. i never pointed out people coming on as probable scum. as you see from the number, there's no way all the sudden appearances can be scum. the scumteam would be bigger than permitted by the rules. i did it to try and understand clash's train of thought, since i believe clash is town but misguided on the production stuff at the start.

it seems like you are the one trying to doubtcast me, while i try to figure out the logic of my townreads.

[Words with Friends]

quizup, and now you rehash the very obvious point i made earlier.

[Kik]

You just painted "a few people" as probably scum with a broad brush without specifying who those people are or pressuring them in any way. You did this as a form of doubtcasting, diverting Clash's attention, setting up mislynches for toMorrow, and (if one of those people is your scummate) so you can have something to point back to to clear yourself when we lynch them.

Kik: You're being stupid. One liners are not indicative of a lack of content, especially when they are all important to the gamestate. I am engaging people and pushing this forward. Though, it would help a lot if people would actually bother to answer my questions. You are pointing fingers over nothing.

One liners can, in some cases benefit discussion. Yours do not. I see now you've given up on the re-direct and opted for a discredit instead. Again, nice effort, but calling me stupid isn't going to work either.

[Kik]

Angry Birds: Nice job agreeing with the main consensus of the town. Why do you think Clash is scum?

surprise, surprise. yet another question.

[Quizup]

Oh yes, I forgot the horrors of questions and how they prevent discussion.

[Words with Friends]

Angry Birds: Nice job agreeing with the main consensus of the town. Why do you think Clash is scum?

this tries to imply the consensus is that clash is scum, which is far from the truth.

[Quizup]

quizup, now who is leading. i never pointed out people coming on as probable scum. as you see from the number, there's no way all the sudden appearances can be scum. the scumteam would be bigger than permitted by the rules. i did it to try and understand clash's train of thought, since i believe clash is town but misguided on the production stuff at the start.

it seems like you are the one trying to doubtcast me, while i try to figure out the logic of my townreads.
Are you seriously trying to sell me that "there have been a few people who miraculously have shown up and said "yup vine's scummy and should be the lynch" well after it was effectively decided" doesn't cast doubt on a large group of people?

Bullshit.

[Quizup]

this tries to imply the consensus is that clash is scum, which is far from the truth.
It's the consensus of the loud players (mostly Cut the Rope) which makes someone barely paying attention to the game more likely to believe it's a thing.

[Flappy Bird]

3 hours 40 mins until days end.

I do believe that asking questions is the best method of teaching. This is because it makes you think. The conclusion you come to is one that you have made by your own thought process so you own it more than some bullshit someone fed you.
But
Its ineffective to expect others to answer your questions when you do not answer questions asked of you. And although its a useful tool when its a big chunk of your posts its taken too far.

[Kik]

Oh yes, I forgot the horrors of questions and how they prevent discussion.

Switching to the strawman now. Ok.

You'll notice that I never said that asking questions is inherently a scum tell. The reason it makes you scummy is because it's literally all you do. I would bet that useless one-liners and questions make up roughly 80-90% of your posts. And if ALL of your posts are asking questions, that means that all you're doing is getting/attempting to get others to contribute thoughts without coming up with any of your own. And not coming up with/contributing your own thoughts is a scum tell. Which is why I'm confident that you're scum.

[Flappy Bird]

@Kik- Any thoughts on that wall I posted on you? (Post 887 if you are skimming)

[Words with Friends]

i didn't realize cut the rope's opinion was the town consensus, considering we don't have confirmation as to whether or not she's even town.

quizup, it highlights a fallacy that sudden appearance does not mean the individual is scum. facts are facts.

[Kik]

Even now, instead of providing any insight of your own or even showing me some posts of yours that contradict what I'm saying, you instead try to deflect my accusations by first redirecting the accusation to me, then discrediting me and calling me stupid, and most recently by creating a strawman. Though I do look forward to seeing what method of deflection you'll try next, I have to say that it's getting a bit tiresome.

[Quizup]

Anyway, the most telling thing here is the mindset. Let's say you noticing something that you think might be indicative of scum.
Do you:
a.Mention that thing in the thread, keep track of the people doing, and start pressuring them or
b.Refrain from mentioning it until another player attacks someone for it, then make an off hand comment about how a lot of people are doing that thing?

A implies that the person is thinking about the gamestate and actively trying to find scum. B implies that the person doesn't actually care about scum hunting, and only said this thing to make themselves look good.

Kik: You don't get it. Asking questions is how I scum hunt. If you want my opinion on something so desperately, just ask me a question.

[Words with Friends]

you do realize when people started coming on, i immediately replied to them and called them on it.

[Quizup]

Kik: If made a valid point I would be willing to engage you. But you aren't. You look at all the questions I've been asking, reads I've been stating, and angles I've been pushing and then you dismiss them as nothing based on the posts being too short. That's incredibly insulting.

Word with Friends: Oh really? Prove it.

[Kik]

Kik: You don't get it. Asking questions is how I scum hunt. If you want my opinion on something so desperately, just ask me a question.

Why must you be prompted in order to state your opinions? How can you scum hunt if you never make any assertions? Last I checked, the question "are you scum?" doesn't work. Though if you want to attempt to prove me wrong, be my guest.

@Flappy- let me go read it and I'll get back to you

[Words with Friends]

snapchat, then vote fruit ninja if you don't like him. wagons help for info.

piano, even if it is a rehash you state where you are. rehash cannot be an evasion mechanism. give something or get on my shit list.


4pics, care to comment on something not already decided?

here you go quizup. me calling out two people for randomly showing up. then you have the third on angry birds.

[Quizup]

Why must you be prompted in order to state your opinions? How can you scum hunt if you never make any assertions? Last I checked, the question "are you scum?" doesn't work. Though if you want to attempt to prove me wrong, be my guest.

@Flappy- let me go read it and I'll get back to you
Except I have been asserting opinions.

I've gone after Fruit Ninja, laid a trap regarding him, called Clash and Instagram obv town, reversed my opinion on Vine, pushed Angry Birds and Word with Friends, tested and cleared 2048, and pressured Snapchat toDay. I have posted the full reads list yet because I'm not done sorting through it. I intend to be finished in the next two ish hours.

"Are you scum" is a great question for provoking self-conscious responses. I've caught scum with it in the past.

I don't see why I should have to try to prove you wrong when all you have to do is read through my posts to do that.

Words with Friends: Here's my issue.
1. You did that against players I consider likely town (though my read of snapchat has been dropping).
2.It was a generic call for more, that hardly counts as pressure.

[Instagram]

Sorry for mentioning this so bloody late, but it seriously just occurred to me there is a serious flaw in the researcher plan, won't say more now, but please remind me we need to discuss it tomorrow.

[Flappy Bird]

@Flappy- let me go read it and I'll get back to you

No rush. I like where you are going with Quizup.

[Instagram]

Oh and TBH I would love to hammer Vine. [Unvote]/Unvote]

[Instagram]

Oops

[Words with Friends]

instagram, yeah that flaw is the researcher should be dying as conf not town.

quizup, you're taking issue with me scumhunting people you townread and you apparently have grave difficulties reading tone. also its not wise to move votes off of confirmed not town. finally quit the trap self-vouch. it's obviously bullshit.

[4pics1word]

What the fuck is "randomly showing up" even supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure of what you actually mean, but it's silly to say "randomly" since what does classify as "not randomly showing up"? If you want to make an accusation like "you only show up when it's easy to contribute" then say so instead of anything that is too vague.

[Clash of Clans]

Sorry for mentioning this so bloody late, but it seriously just occurred to me there is a serious flaw in the researcher plan, won't say more now, but please remind me we need to discuss it tomorrow.

Because you're sure you won't get night-killed

[Words with Friends]

What the fuck is "randomly showing up" even supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure of what you actually mean, but it's silly to say "randomly" since what does classify as "not randomly showing up"? If you want to make an accusation like "you only show up when it's easy to contribute" then say so instead of anything that is too vague.

it seems like you understood me perfectly.

now why don't you put together a nice shiny list of your reads so far.

[Instagram]

Because you're sure you won't get night-killed

Nah, I was actually hoping to use it as a way to encourage scum to kill me even though I'm a peaceful.

[4pics1word]

it seems like you understood me perfectly.

now why don't you put together a nice shiny list of your reads so far.

You mean one like yours where I lump all the obvious players together into one of four categories? I can do that.

[Flappy Bird]

What the fuck is "randomly showing up" even supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure of what you actually mean, but it's silly to say "randomly" since what does classify as "not randomly showing up"? If you want to make an accusation like "you only show up when it's easy to contribute" then say so instead of anything that is too vague.
Hey 4pics1word.. Wud up with that content you promised earlier? Do you have anything to contribute now that you have had time to read up?

[Quizup]

instagram, yeah that flaw is the researcher should be dying as conf not town.

quizup, you're taking issue with me scumhunting people you townread and you apparently have grave difficulties reading tone. also its not wise to move votes off of confirmed not town. finally quit the trap self-vouch. it's obviously bullshit.
You claimed to have noticed something, but only brought it up with "i was wondering if you would notice." You've been blatantly buddying me and Flappy Bird (Yeah, I remembered that). And you followed my lead in going after Fruit Ninja after his claim. You are scum. Please die.

[Candy Crush Saga]

I got random.org so whatever

Vine

I don't really care

[The Godfather]

Vine has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Vine ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12777') (10 [L-0]): Words with Friends ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450295'), Cut the Rope ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=449896'), Kik ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=449770'), Quizup ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450140'), Fruit Ninja ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=449954'), Temple Run ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=449887'), Angry Birds ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450374'), Candy Crush Saga (Mayor) ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450435')
Clash of Clans ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12768') (1 [L-9]): 2048 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=449802')
Cut the Rope ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12772') (1 [L-9]): Vine ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=449848')
Candy Crush Saga ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12771') (1 [L-9]): Clash of Clans ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450367')
Fruit Ninja ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12773') (2 [L-8]): Snapchat ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450010'), Flappy Bird ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=450034')

[King Terenas Menethil]

NIGHT 2 - ADJOURNMENT

“Do you not know, my son, with what little understanding the world is ruled?” – Pope Julius III

A legislation to send off one of our leaders to the Moon for a year was proposed and enacted today. Vine was designated by the congress to represent Earth and lead the mission. With the promise from other leaders that his people would be taken cared of, he did not resist, and prepared to carry out his duty.

What Vine didn't know was that the trip was one-way. Secretly, the congress had decided he was a threat and sabotaged his fuel supply. He would never be back on Earth again. His people would be massacred by the Warmongers when they left for refuge in new lands. He never deserved it either, for he was Pocatello, one of the world's last Peaceful men.

It was an affront to justice but it gave Doomsday a feeling of righteousness. He would end this world's suffering sooner.

Vine was lynched. His role was Peaceful.

Day 2 reads as of post #852

Not enough info
Confirmed town
Strong town
Leaning town
Leaning scum
Strong scum



Players

Posts
Impression
Role








Flappy Bird

8
Replaced and contributed



iFunny

2
Absent




Kik

25
Expressed towny concerns




Bloons TD

2
Absent




Instagram

78

Mostly towny thoughts



SnapChat
17
Towny thoughts



Angry Birds

1

Absent
Possible Warmongers


QuizUp

66
Suspicious drop in activity
Doomsday Killer


Clash of Clans

55
Mostly towny thoughts



2048

157
Sidekick of evil queen
Warmongers (Agent)


4pics1word

5
Minimal activity



Candy Crush Saga

9
Host-revealed town
Peaceful


Cut The Rope

100

Evil queen of misreps
Warmongers (Actor)


Fruit Ninja

64
Dodgy researcher claimer
Warmongers (Disguiser)


Temple Run

16
Afflicted with emotional bias



Words with Friends

68
Suspicious buddying with evil duo

Possible Warmongers


Tapatalk

24
Murdered town



Vine

93
Me!




Piano Tiles

13
No contribution again




Fall Down
25
Lurked





2048
Aware that Vine visited Tapatalk, asked for discussion but did not provide any himself
Vouched for Fruit Ninja
Playstyle similar to FM Greenland: Friendly, posted a lot, but contributed little.

Fruit Ninja
Claimed Researcher
Exhibited anti-town behavior: disrupting discussions and promoting apathy

Angry Birds
Went missing. At -1 happiness, if he is a PR.

Cut The Rope
Twisted words, misrepping and misdirect town with false mechanics.
Ignored Tapatalk's last will and Vine's claim during the start of the day, until Vine continued with organizing town
Lied that Tapatalk scumhunted. Tapatalk actually organized town more.
Playstyle similar to FM Shar-Teel: Gain day chat dominance and cause mislynch by twisting and lying.

QuizUp
Not very active today.

Words with Friends
I don't like him, maybe because of buddying with 2048 and Cut the Rope.


Town production

N2: WC
Day-revealing PRs: 8
Peacefuls: 7
PRs: 4
Countermeasures: Scum cannot claim the extra vote because of day-revealing PRs.

N2: NET
Clash of Clans and Candy Crush Saga (2048 is scum): 8
Countermeasures: Compete with Warmonger for the extra charge

N3: HG
Day-revealing PRs: 8
Peacefuls: 7
PRs: 4
Countermeasures: Beware of Witches.
iFunny and Bloons TD have been replaced.

Living players [18]:
Flappy Bird
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
Instagram
SnapChat
Angry Birds
QuizUp
Clash of Clans
2048
4pics1word
Candy Crush Saga
Cut The Rope
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Piano Tiles
Fall Down

Graveyard [2]:
Tapatalk - Cleopatra, Cultural (Died Night 1)
Vine - Pocatello, Peaceful (Lynched Day 2)

Night 2 will end at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=June+24+5%3A00+PM+PST

[King Terenas Menethil]

Day 3 - Bristol, England

The third meeting was called in England today. Diplomats from civilized countries flew across the globe to convene in the Bristol Conference Centre. Pocatello's exile made matters much more urgent. After roll call, it was discovered that Bismarck, Montezuma, and Washington all failed to appear or send delegates.

German polizei began a search and found iFunny tied to a chair in the Executive Suite of the Chanellery Building. He seemed to have been shot in one lung, and his tongue was cut out. The cause of death was ruled to be exsanguination. Clumsy brutality could only mean Warmongers.

WWF and Snapchat were aboard the same flight to Bristol, as the two had developed close personal ties since their reign. Flight security was improved after Tapatalk's death, of course. No Warmonger would ever get away with sneaking in weapons. But it wasn't a Warmonger this time. It was a killer far more efficient. Nothing was ever found of the plane, except for the left wing, which was painted bright red with blood, but otherwise in mint condition.

iFunny was killed by the Warmongers. His role was Filibuster.
Words with Friends was killed by Doomsday. His role was Witch.
Snapchat was killed by Doomsday. His role was Lookout.

SnapChat left a last will.



Snapchat- Lookout

N1- Visited Quizup- Nobody Visited him
N2- Visiting Candy Crush Saga


N1- 5 ETC, 1 RA
N2- 7 RA, 1 School


Not trusting Quizup right now. Something about how he acted day 2 struck me as thinking he is scum. Fruit Ninja also should have been lynched over Vine.

Living players [15]:
Flappy Bird
Kik
Bloons TD
Instagram
Angry Birds
QuizUp
Clash of Clans
2048
4pics1word
Candy Crush Saga
Cut The Rope
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Piano Tiles
Fall Down

Graveyard [5]:
Tapatalk - Cleopatra, Cultural (Died Night 1)
Vine - Pocatello, Peaceful (Lynched Day 2)
iFunny - Bismarck, Filibuster (Died Night 2)
Words with Friends - Montezuma, Witch (Died Night 2)
SnapChat - Washington, Lookout (Died Night 2)

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Day 3 will end at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=June+26+5%3A00+PM+PST

[King Terenas Menethil]

WOOPS! TOTALLY FORGOT TO UNLOCK!

In my defense, it looked unlocked to me because I can post in locked thread.