M-FM Fringe: Prime Universe

[Unknown1234]

Tell me unknown, what the flying fuck do you know about my town game?

No reason to continue casting doubt on something that has been discussed already and thought about thoroughly. The fact that you, at first, decided to announce that WD should be lynched if not killed THEN continue to remind us already proves that if WD is DOCTOR, he won't die, and you will be targeting him tomorrow.

[Quick]

What is this post Even saying? "No one was even looking at me until you tunnelled on me" lol.

it was you poorly thought out fantasies that I am scum that lead to Scum jumping on my wagon. That is what I am talking about.

[Quick]

No reason to continue casting doubt on something that has been discussed already and thought about thoroughly. The fact that you, at first, decided to announce that WD should be lynched if not killed THEN continue to remind us already proves that if WD is DOCTOR, he won't die, and you will be targeting him tomorrow.

The whole point of me asking for a Doc claim is to eliminate WIFOM. How the hell do you not see that?

[Unknown1234]

it was you poorly thought out fantasies that I am scum that lead to Scum jumping on my wagon. That is what I am talking about.

Then that sucks that your play led me to want to lynch you. If you are town you really should think things through.

[Quick]

Then that sucks that your play led me to want to lynch you. If you are town you really should think things through.

This is what happens when you lynch me:

You are down a Town.
We will STILL have 2 slots that are totally worthless
There will be more talk about whether to lynch Fire, which will not be resolved because Fire isn't giving anything.
Death is going to still be playing Null as fuck.
Sino will continue to play smart regardless of alignment.
You will continue to make bad pushes and since you are Town to everyone, no one is going to question you.
Badass will continue to cop an attitude which isn't helpful for anyone.
Scum will use the WC scenario to their advantage regardless of his alignment.

[Unknown1234]

Well, why did you say I was confirmed town by saying I'm making "bad pushes" ??

Honestly Quick, if people are agreeing with me, it means I'm not the one who is at fault because you are really inconsistent.

[M-FM Wildcard]

The whole point of me asking for a Doc claim is to eliminate WIFOM. How the hell do you not see that?

But what is the purpose from removing WIFOM? Please explain

[M-FM Wildcard]

But what is the purpose from removing WIFOM? Please explain

I mean, what positive outcome is there for Town by doing this?

[Quick]

Well, why did you say I was confirmed town by saying I'm making "bad pushes" ??

Honestly Quick, if people are agreeing with me, it means I'm not the one who is at fault because you are really inconsistent.

You have some illogical ways you make conclusions. I am not saying you are confirmed because you are making bad pushes. That is a logical fallacy. My claim doesn't have anything to do with whether you are confirmed or not, that is a result of your bad pushes not being questioned. I know your game, you always make bad pushes as Scum and as Town. You are always making intuitive jumps and looking into things that are not there. FWIW, I don't think there is hardly any chance you are Scum. The only way that would be possible is if WC and you were both in on it which would be the Scum theater of the year and would go down as one of the best plays I have ever seen by a Scum team. The one and only reason you are a decent player is because your unorthodox style indirectly lead to some good content unfolding. You have a Scummy af meta, which I'm sure you are aware of. A Scummy meta doesn't mean you are a bad player, but it means you play in an unorthodox way that is hard for some people to cue in on.

And I already know why I am getting lynched. Its because I am not able to make someone else look more scummy than me. This is a problem because I don't want to lynch Town and I don't really have any solid Scum reads I can push very well. So there it is. I am getting lynched because I haven't made any pushes.

[Quick]

But what is the purpose from removing WIFOM? Please explain

Uhg. Really? I have to explain this? Ok, I will walk you though it.

There are 2 kinds of WIFOM: WIFOM that helps Town and WIFOM that helps Scum. Answer me how the WIFOM surrounding your claim is helpful to Town and NOT Scum. If you are Doc, the only ones who can know that 100% for certain is Scum, not Town. As said before, Scum can just keep you alive to create WIFOM for Town and NOT Scum. Plus they can pretty much just kill you whenever they want. WIFOM is not WIFOM. It can work for one side better than the other always. This is all hypothetically if your claim is true, which I think it is.

I'm getting lynched anyways, so I have nothing to lose. I think we would be better off lynching a lurker than any other options right now. This will set a precedent that if you don't participate, you get lynched. This FORCES content to happen.

[M-FM Wildcard]

Uhg. Really? I have to explain this? Ok, I will walk you though it.

There are 2 kinds of WIFOM: WIFOM that helps Town and WIFOM that helps Scum. Answer me how the WIFOM surrounding your claim is helpful to Town and NOT Scum. If you are Doc, the only ones who can know that 100% for certain is Scum, not Town. As said before, Scum can just keep you alive to create WIFOM for Town and NOT Scum. Plus they can pretty much just kill you whenever they want. WIFOM is not WIFOM. It can work for one side better than the other always. This is all hypothetically if your claim is true, which I think it is.

I'm getting lynched anyways, so I have nothing to lose. I think we would be better off lynching a lurker than any other options right now. This will set a precedent that if you don't participate, you get lynched. This FORCES content to happen.

Yes, you have to explain random statements you make and provide no evidence on your way of thinking when you are being pressured by majority of the Town. SO SORRRRRY to inconvenience you.

So explain to me how asking for a second Doctor leads to any of the situations you just said? On this side of the table, it looks like you're just throwing statements out to try to look Town when really they have no meaning.

Yes, Scum can obviously do that. But they will do that regardless of what you say. So, I ask again: What is the purpose of asking for a second Doctor? How does this benefit Town?

[Quick]

Yes, you have to explain random statements you make and provide no evidence on your way of thinking when you are being pressured by majority of the Town. SO SORRRRRY to inconvenience you.

So explain to me how asking for a second Doctor leads to any of the situations you just said? On this side of the table, it looks like you're just throwing statements out to try to look Town when really they have no meaning.

Yes, Scum can obviously do that. But they will do that regardless of what you say. So, I ask again: What is the purpose of asking for a second Doctor? How does this benefit Town?

A CC FORCES a 1v1. This leads to a guaranteed Scum lynch one way or another. It is a numbers game. There is more Town that Scum, therefor a 1 for 1 trade is always in Towns favor.

[M-FM Wildcard]

A CC FORCES a 1v1. This leads to a guaranteed Scum lynch one way or another. It is a numbers game. There is more Town that Scum, therefor a 1 for 1 trade is always in Towns favor.

Cool, but how does that "eliminate WIFOM", as you stated?
You're just making up new arguments, and not really explaining how asking another Doctor to claim eliminates WIFOM.

[Unknown1234]

It's not a 1v1 because you can have more than one doctor. All that does is ours TPR's

[Unknown1234]

Out*

[Quick]

Cool, but how does that "eliminate WIFOM", as you stated?
You're just making up new arguments, and not really explaining how asking another Doctor to claim eliminates WIFOM.

Because then we don't have to worry one single iota about if you are actually telling the truth with your claim or not. It takes out ALL the guess work. It allowed out recourses (time, discussion, night actions) to go elsewhere so that we can scum hunt other people. There is strong evidence that you are Doc, BUT it is NOT a lock. As long as its not a lock, Scum can use the WIFOM of whether you are Scum or Town to their advantage. This means we either need another claim to support your claim or you die and are proven to tell the truth. But even if you are NKed then we still have a confirmed Town (Unknown) and Scum knows that.

So the logical action is to investigate you tonight. Yes, it can appear to be a loss of a NA if you die, but ONLY if you are Town. If you are Scum it only helps Town. Also, you need to save Unknown once again tonight so we have at least have one confirmed Town still. No WIFOM, no Fancy Play Syndrome, you save Unknown again. And on the plus side, if we have a lookout ability, we can catch Scum targeting you.

[Quick]

It's not a 1v1 because you can have more than one doctor. All that does is ours TPR's

Nope, wrong. If there are 2 docs, then they save each other. Then we get a confirmation from one of the docs that they saved the other. When there are two Doc claims they ALWAYS protect each other.

[Quick]

Reads list:

Scum:
Sino
A lurker/Badass

[Quick]

Reads list:

Scum:
Sino
A lurker/Badass/Death

EBWOP

[Firebringer]

The chances of two town doctors in one universe I would think would be astronomically low.

[Firebringer]

This is what happens when you lynch me:

You are down a Town.
We will STILL have 2 slots that are totally worthless
There will be more talk about whether to lynch Fire, which will not be resolved because Fire isn't giving anything.
Death is going to still be playing Null as fuck.
Sino will continue to play smart regardless of alignment.
You will continue to make bad pushes and since you are Town to everyone, no one is going to question you.
Badass will continue to cop an attitude which isn't helpful for anyone.
Scum will use the WC scenario to their advantage regardless of his alignment.

Ummm I think I have given quite a bit to the discussion than nothing.....
Did you want a claim from me or something?

[Quick]

Ummm I think I have given quite a bit to the discussion than nothing.....
Did you want a claim from me or something?

Prolly about 25% of your posts are actual content. 10% is good content.

[Firebringer]

Prolly about 25% of your posts are actual content. 10% is good content.

I mean, what exactly do you want?

[Firebringer]

I think Fire is actually Town here. Something about him this game, can't put my finger on it.

I mean, I don't know why you bothered with this if you were going to later complain about how much content I was giving.

[Firebringer]

Cool, but how does that "eliminate WIFOM", as you stated?
You're just making up new arguments, and not really explaining how asking another Doctor to claim eliminates WIFOM.

To add onto this, since Quick didn't notice it.

How does asking for another Doc claim help in anyway when a another town can fake claim doc, because they think you asking for another claim is you softing you yourself is a doc?

Someone might scumread Wildcard, think ohh wait this person looks like they are trying to be subtle that they are really doc, then claim it themselves. Then both are lynched consecutively and both are town.

There was plenty of WIFOM in what I just said, and I00% could see it happening if people are reading into situations too much.

[Firebringer]

I am still wondering why scum would go for a kill on Unknown when I think I pushed enough doubt on him being town yesterday.

Still scratches my head. But I guess scum didn't see him as legit mislynchable? Or? Idk.

[Firebringer]

That settles it.
Wildcard is a liar.

He is not a PR, he is fake claiming town.

I figured it out.

[Quick]

To add onto this, since Quick didn't notice it.

How does asking for another Doc claim help in anyway when a another town can fake claim doc, because they think you asking for another claim is you softing you yourself is a doc?

Someone might scumread Wildcard, think ohh wait this person looks like they are trying to be subtle that they are really doc, then claim it themselves. Then both are lynched consecutively and both are town.

There was plenty of WIFOM in what I just said, and I00% could see it happening if people are reading into situations too much.

Crappy players make plays like that. For one, it lacks subtlety. it doesn't really throw anyone off because it is so obvious as a fancy play. That why no one did that. Ofc based on some of the things I have see on this forum I can't rule that out I suppose. I have a naturally bent toward playing straightforward though.

[Firebringer]

Crappy players make plays like that. For one, it lacks subtlety. it doesn't really throw anyone off because it is so obvious as a fancy play. That why no one did that. Ofc based on some of the things I have see on this forum I can't rule that out I suppose. I have a naturally bent toward playing straightforward though.

This site is all about the plays.

[Quick]

I mean, what exactly do you want?

I don't like it when people play all fancy. Few people can actually pull it off. I want people to stick to the basics. When people do that I am better at reading people.

[Firebringer]

I don't like it when people play all fancy. Few people can actually pull it off. I want people to stick to the basics. When people do that I am better at reading people.

I don't think I am playing fancy here.
But other people here do.

Especially this Wildcard.

[Quick]

I don't think I am playing fancy here.
But other people here do.

Especially this Wildcard.

I was trying to not argue with you. I don't think you really play fancy, but you don't really play straightforward either.

What is your read on Sino?

[Firebringer]

I was trying to not argue with you. I don't think you really play fancy, but you don't really play straightforward either.

What is your read on Sino?

Sino is town buddy.

[Quick]

Sino is town buddy.

I am not seeing his reaction testing. I don't follow some of the plays he has made. there was something early that had to do with Unknown before the talk about the infamous TPR claim. Can't remember what it was exactly, but something rubbed me the wrong way.

[Firebringer]

I am not seeing his reaction testing. I don't follow some of the plays he has made. there was something early that had to do with Unknown before the talk about the infamous TPR claim. Can't remember what it was exactly, but something rubbed me the wrong way.

Naah the guy is unaligned with anybody you can tell by how everyone was talking to guy.

[Quick]

Naah the guy is unaligned with anybody you can tell by how everyone was talking to guy.

Maybe, the meta is different here. You could be on to something. Seems like a weak hole.

[deathworlds]

Not gonna be back for EoD, gonna go see dr. Strange.

Wildcard and FB are most likely the scum team.

I won't policy lynch M-FM Town, because they are prob cit, because replacement host meta.
Unknown is top town read, besides myself.
I have null read on quick.
Sino is lean scum with wildcard, less likely scum team

[M-FM Wildcard]

That settles it.
Wildcard is a liar.

He is not a PR, he is fake claiming town.

I figured it out.

Go on lol

[M-FM Wildcard]

Nope, wrong. If there are 2 docs, then they save each other. Then we get a confirmation from one of the docs that they saved the other. When there are two Doc claims they ALWAYS protect each other.

wait 2 docs save each other? Just 20 posts ago, you said we'd 100% lynch between both Doctor counterclaims. Make up your mind please.

[M-FM Wildcard]

I don't think I am playing fancy here.
But other people here do.

Especially this Wildcard.

I don't think you're playing fancy. I think just the opposite and people are too lame to notice.

[M-FM Wildcard]

A CC FORCES a 1v1. This leads to a guaranteed Scum lynch one way or another. It is a numbers game. There is more Town that Scum, therefor a 1 for 1 trade is always in Towns favor.

See, this is Quick saying if a second Doctor claimed, we'd lynch between them.
But now he said Doctors will heal each other?

So, which is it truly, Quick lol

[M-FM Wildcard]

Quick should be lynched solely for that crazy contradiction only 1 page apart lol. With nothing inbetween to change his mind lol.
Plus, he has spent the entire game since I claim just casting shade on me instead of actually doing any scum hunting.

bad play

[M-FM Wildcard]

Anyway, gonna go to sleep now. See you all on Day 3 maybe

[Quick]

See, this is Quick saying if a second Doctor claimed, we'd lynch between them.
But now he said Doctors will heal each other?

So, which is it truly, Quick lol

Both. We'd be looking for a Doc to see if there was a save. We would need an investigative role. That would mean a Scum RB. Too many PRs in the mix, so, unrealistic that there is two Docs. That's why a 1v1 is a good thing for Town.

[Unknown1234]

Firebringer you were the only one who didn't Town-read me aside from Sino, whose read on me developed over time anyways.

[Quick]

Not gonna be back for EoD, gonna go see dr. Strange.

Wildcard and FB are most likely the scum team.

I won't policy lynch M-FM Town, because they are prob cit, because replacement host meta.
Unknown is top town read, besides myself.
I have null read on quick.
Sino is lean scum with wildcard, less likely scum team

Why are WC/Fire most likely teamed without flips? What are you basing this on exactly?

Walk me through the mod meta reason, I don't get it.

Why are you so sure WC is scum?

Please answer these even if I am not around tomorrow.

[Quick]

should I... claim?

[Unknown1234]

Gonna fall asleep early. Was planning to hang on till EOD but it's not happening.

[Firebringer]

Go on lol

I just know this is a gambit by you. Well done.
Doesn't make you scum

[Firebringer]

I don't think you're playing fancy. I think just the opposite and people are too lame to notice.

Thanks?