S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Btw the reason SJ and Auwt are scum and not SJ and Naz is very simple: both SJ and Auwt took it personally when I started flipping between random team suggestions, MOST OF WHICH INVOLVED THEM ONE WAG OR THE OTHER. naz, who takes everything seriously (sorry, you just do lol), didn’t take it personally and didn’t react with a discrediting Ad hominem. Logical fallacies come from scum, because logical fallacies are almost always willfully committed. Unless they’re just logical errors, which look very different from logical fallacies

You are optimistic regarding humanity, and that's noble. Not sure it's right, though. Perhaps you're right about fallacies when using a strict meaning, but I have doubts lol. And ok, it probably doesn't matter for the game anymore, but for the sake of our skills, perhaps. I really wonder why Aamirus played that way if she was scum, though. It doesn't make sense.

[Ganelon]

I see that a lot from Naz secondpassing. It’s not AI for her.

[secondpassing]

Ay!

That push was 30 minutes before EoD, so no, he wasn't "one of the first people onto him", that's not true at all. Go read EoD1 again. He also did not "push Renegade until he died", as the posts you quoted were literally his ONLY posts pushing Renegade; the rest of his posts were about other people. Renegade also did not reply to anything SJ said, although he was present at EoD.

TLDR: no.

I have a poor perception of time. And unless someone points out the timing of the posts, I don't usually pay attention to them.
I'll go read them. He didn't make too many posts to process anyway.

[Ganelon]

You are optimistic regarding humanity, and that's noble. Not sure it's right, though. Perhaps you're right about fallacies when using a strict meaning, but I have doubts lol. And ok, it probably doesn't matter for the game anymore, but for the sake of our skills, perhaps. I really wonder why Aamirus played that way if she was scum, though. It doesn't make sense.

From a meta perspective what Naz did doesn’t make sense either, if she’s scum. Doesn’t matter, if Sj is somehow town.... lol
I think I will lynch Auwt if SJ is town

[Ganelon]

Hello Pringles

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I see that a lot from Naz secondpassing. It’s not AI for her.

I second this. What you quoted is what she does every game in a nutshell.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hello Pringles

He has been watching over us for a long time. May his ghost have its vengeance.

[theoneceko]

The scum read did not fade into a nullread or a town lean. She's been against people reading SJ as town for a while.
She did identify all the "strong" posters, and if I had to put her into a team. It'd be with aamirus. You can also notice how Auwt has while not formed an opinion on naz, is unwilling to vote her OR Noz_Bugz/MM when I provided the opportunity to do so.

For bias context, I think scum is MM/Auwt > naz > Ganelon, ceko, SJ > me

When you posted this, did you realize naz wanted aami's slot modkilled?

It's also possible she asked gyrrrr whether aami would get modkilled, and he responded no so she that's why she went "RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KILL AAMI REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

look at this UwU!!!

lol i'm mad because i'm being piled on, first Frinckles pushing me for an argument that is false, then Varcron and you. i can't even push on some other slots(this included yours) because they've been afk. this game is just frustrating asf.
@Gyrlander needs to replace aamirus shes been gone over 24 hours, a modkill would be nice but there is a chance he can't because she might be scum[/COLOR]
i'll be home later to read all these other wallposts, also everyone in the USA pls be safe also fuck this country

TMI????????

that's rly unfortunate if aami left her scummate like that tho.maybe that's why naz has been REEEEEEEEEEEEEEing at every1.uMu

I'll need to do my own VCA to confirm that.uWu

[naz]

lol if she was scummate I wouldn't cry for modkill (instalose) I would only ask for replaceUmU

[naz]

also my period is starting soon so I'm pms and I hid my chocolate when I was high probably bc i cant find it now and I'm sad

[secondpassing]

When you posted this, did you realize naz wanted aami's slot modkilled?

It's also possible she asked gyrrrr whether aami would get modkilled, and he responded no so she that's why she went "RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KILL AAMI REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

look at this UwU!!!



TMI????????

that's rly unfortunate if aami left her scummate like that tho.maybe that's why naz has been REEEEEEEEEEEEEEing at every1.uMu

I'll need to do my own VCA to confirm that.uWu

Woah woah stop there.
My thoughts have changed since then, especially seeing that SJ possibly bussing his teammate EoD and tried to derail the train. Looking at the associations and voting pattern of today:

Ganelon (2 [L-2]):
SuperJack, Auwt <----
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Ganelon
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-3]):
naz

It clear that the teams are NOT:
MM/SJ
Auwt/SJ
naz/MM
Ganelon/Auwt

which leaves us with:
MM/Auwt
naz/SJ

Since we only need to kill one mafia, we should lynch between a pairing of:
MM/naz
Auwt/SJ

I think I'd prefer voting naz + MM because it's easier for my brain to handle and that I don't have to totally wrap my head around SJ.
They're all kinda good because we're still lynching outside of our towncore secondpassing-theoneceko-Ganelon

[Marshmallow Marshall]

lol if she was scummate I wouldn't cry for modkill (instalose) I would only ask for replaceUmU

To be fair, that's going into a grey zone of angleshooting too.

Good luck with your chocolate? xD

[Ganelon]

Woah woah stop there.
My thoughts have changed since then, especially seeing that SJ possibly bussing his teammate EoD and tried to derail the train. Looking at the associations and voting pattern of today:

Ganelon (2 [L-2]):
SuperJack, Auwt <----
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Ganelon
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-3]):
naz

It clear that the teams are NOT:
MM/SJ
Auwt/SJ
naz/MM
Ganelon/Auwt

which leaves us with:
MM/Auwt
naz/SJ

Since we only need to kill one mafia, we should lynch between a pairing of:
MM/naz
Auwt/SJ

I think I'd prefer voting naz + MM because it's easier for my brain to handle and that I don't have to totally wrap my head around SJ.
They're all kinda good because we're still lynching outside of our towncore secondpassing-theoneceko-Ganelon

So vote Auwt/SJ? I can’t believe MM is scum lol

[theoneceko]

Note that Naz voting SJ could be seen as an attempt to distance herself from a town she doesn’t actually care about. Do not take that as an argument for her towniness

Gane, MM is still playing his town meta, right?

uWu

[Ganelon]

Yes

[secondpassing]

So vote Auwt/SJ? I can’t believe MM is scum lol

If we're going with that I really don't want to vote SJ first cause he built a table,
but you're behind this idea right that we should commit between these two pairings of lynches?
That if we decide to vote naz, we vote MM right after?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Woah woah stop there.
My thoughts have changed since then, especially seeing that SJ possibly bussing his teammate EoD and tried to derail the train. Looking at the associations and voting pattern of today:

Ganelon (2 [L-2]):
SuperJack, Auwt <----
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Ganelon
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-3]):
naz

It clear that the teams are NOT:
MM/SJ
Auwt/SJ
naz/MM
Ganelon/Auwt

which leaves us with:
MM/Auwt
naz/SJ

Since we only need to kill one mafia, we should lynch between a pairing of:
MM/naz
Auwt/SJ

I think I'd prefer voting naz + MM because it's easier for my brain to handle and that I don't have to totally wrap my head around SJ.
They're all kinda good because we're still lynching outside of our towncore secondpassing-theoneceko-Ganelon

I agree with everything, outside of the conclusion, of course. You really should go read that EoD1. But then again, you'd have to mobilize your brain :P.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Actually, why not Auwt/SJ? @secondpassing

[secondpassing]

MM/naz
Auwt/SJ

All in favor of lynching between one of these two sets vote either BananaCucho or Frinckles

-vote Frinckles

[secondpassing]

Actually, why not Auwt/SJ? @secondpassing

You're asking me to do a 180 on SJ.
Why not MM/naz?

[Ganelon]

If we're going with that I really don't want to vote SJ first cause he built a table,
but you're behind this idea right that we should commit between these two pairings of lynches?
That if we decide to vote naz, we vote MM right after?

Yeh basically, although... I think the teams are Auwt/SJ or Mm/Auwt.

[secondpassing]

I see that a lot from Naz secondpassing. It’s not AI for her.

So what would be AI for her? What could I be looking for?
I have no meta on her.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You're asking me to do a 180 on SJ.
Why not MM/naz?

Because I'm town and you should be able to see it by now, first of all. As for Naz, Ganelon half-convinced me and now I'm confused on that slot. To make it short, quick and beautiful: because chances are town loses if we do this. If we lynch SJ, town very probably wins.

And yes, I am quite literally asking you to do a 180 on SJ because your clear on him for EoD1 is completely wrong.

[secondpassing]

Yeh basically, although... I think the teams are Auwt/SJ or Mm/Auwt.

Ganelon (2 [L-2]):
SuperJack, Auwt<----
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Ganelon
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-3]):
naz

You think both scums would be voting you at the same time?
I know they know that both ceko and I are holding our votes, so it would be especially dangerous for them to show their hand.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If we're going with that I really don't want to vote SJ first cause he built a table,
but you're behind this idea right that we should commit between these two pairings of lynches?
That if we decide to vote naz, we vote MM right after?

@OzyWho is rolling in his grave at the moment... How is building a table a town tell superior to my own towntelling of the moment, or to take a less biased example, superior to the scumminess of EoD1? You're falling for a table. That sucks lol.

[secondpassing]

Because I'm town and you should be able to see it by now, first of all. As for Naz, Ganelon half-convinced me and now I'm confused on that slot. To make it short, quick and beautiful: because chances are town loses if we do this. If we lynch SJ, town very probably wins.

And yes, I am quite literally asking you to do a 180 on SJ because your clear on him for EoD1 is completely wrong.

Well, I like straight answers. I will return after re-reading the EoD.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ganelon (2 [L-2]):
SuperJack, Auwt<----
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Ganelon
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-3]):
naz

You think both scums would be voting you at the same time?
I know they know that both ceko and I are holding our votes, so it would be especially dangerous for them to show their hand.

You think both scums are never voting at the same place in this setup? X

[theoneceko]

Yeah ok, I rescind my read on Mag, he just looked bad because of a recent mistake; his D1 looks good. He's defending the AFK townie and generating discussion by creating "sides" on the policy lynch stuff; he takes the leadership of the "No policy lynch" side.

On the other hand, all of Naz's posts are either meh or scummy to me, from what I've seen. "You're probably getting lynched today rip" seemed agenda-ish to me, like it was a long-planned mislynch (correct me if I'm wrong on that, people who aren't naz), and the policy lynch post on Frinckles during D1 is also quite crappy. No town tells yet.

-vote naz

Looked at this again, it's giving me second thoughts of keeping naz in me towncore.uWu

Where did naz say this tho??oVo

[naz]

MM/naz
Auwt/SJ

All in favor of lynching between one of these two sets vote either BananaCucho or Frinckles

-vote Frinckles

Look at who I want to lynch today lmfao look where my vote is

[naz]

Looked at this again, it's giving me second thoughts of keeping naz in me towncore.uWu

Where did naz say this tho??oVo

I did say it

[naz]

@OzyWho is rolling in his grave at the moment... How is building a table a town tell superior to my own towntelling of the moment, or to take a less biased example, superior to the scumminess of EoD1? You're falling for a table. That sucks lol.

Lmao when MM is repeating what ive said about SJ djdhhsjsndn

[secondpassing]

Look at who I want to lynch today lmfao look where my vote is

So you're willing to be lynched right after?

[naz]

So what would be AI for her? What could I be looking for?
I have no meta on her.

My town meta is being rude lmao ask either of mm or mag

[naz]

So you're willing to be lynched right after?

?????????? Are u on crack?????? If mm flips town then you would need to look at your other team, are you just scum?

[secondpassing]

?????????? Are u on crack?????? If mm flips town then you would need to look at your other team, are you just scum?

1. Because you two are a pair and going at each other
2. Auwt and SJ are voting for the same person

I think you two are on different teams. Right now, town cannot convince me to vote MM unless town agrees to lynch you right afterwards.

[naz]

Lining up lynches classic scum movie ahh

[Auwt]

anyway I will never unvote. so don’t bother you can’t convince me lol

Im glad Im seeing this message rn

[theoneceko]

Well then, the vote was not justified...

^^^^^^^ UwU ^^^^^^^

@aamirus HEWWO
Because people have a tendency to turbolynch, especially in this setup. Ironically, it just happened lol.


This attack does not look genuine. It's more like "You said I was wrong and that I didn't justify my push well enough, so uhm... yea, you're scum!", which is a form of OMGUS.

Dis vary mooch ingrish pozt is another + for Ganelon.
I don't get the Banana part. Also, what happened to Banana?

Yooo I forgot naz attacked gane on day 1. "Do u need frinckles to cawwy u gane?" is an invalid argument now because frinckles is town. Rene tried to pocket gane, which aami called out, but self-pressed in the end.

[secondpassing]

Im glad Im seeing this message rn

You voting SuperJack? Thoughts?

[secondpassing]

@theoneceko
I am fully prepared to commit. I am ready to end the day and the next one.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My town meta is being rude lmao ask either of mm or mag

Don't see this as an insult, but you're rude all the time :P perhaps more rude as town than scum though.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Lmao when MM is repeating what ive said about SJ djdhhsjsndn

Well then put your vote on SJ!

[secondpassing]

Well then put your vote on SJ!

You committed? Just waiting on ceko then we can end these two days.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You committed? Just waiting on ceko then we can end these two days.

Yeah, SJ is scum in every world that isn't tinfoil to me at this point.

[theoneceko]

To be absolutely honest, my read on SJ hinges primarily on his tone. Could he be scum? Yes, he could be, but then, who is he scum with? MM? Auwt? Like, I just think we should sheep the dead confirmed town and stop complicating things. If MM is scum, now that I think about it, there’s a very low chance of either Naz or Auwt being his team because of the way he’s attacking Naz but softly defending Auwt. I think Auwt is being scumpainted by MM if MM is scum. Which would obviously point at either SP or SJ being scum, SJ is more likely to be scum out of the two. So by PoE, if MM scum then SJ scum.

Rereading is doing wonders for me!!!!

If I remember correctly, frinckles and varc really wanted naz dead too. Frinckles put naz in a scum box. Varc's final vote was on naz.

[theoneceko]

-vote naz

I think you’re right on Naz being scum with Auwt. Unless SJ is the scum. I don’t think SJ should be so high up in your townreads.

I think this too... for now.

[theoneceko]

@theoneceko
I am fully prepared to commit. I am ready to end the day and the next one.

What, do u gtg?? oWo

[Auwt]

You voting SuperJack? Thoughts?

SuperJack VCA seems legit, I havent had much interaction with him.
From what I have seen he also answered with quotes and made some ISO.
I would put him as towny as Marshall, they both act quite similarly

But overall, as i said I wont remove my Ganelon vote.
You can find reasons in past posts.

[naz]

Don't see this as an insult, but you're rude all the time :P perhaps more rude as town than scum though.

maybe because there's no one worth me being nice to UwU

[secondpassing]

What, do u gtg?? oWo

No, I just feel like more information will not do us (mainly me) any good.
Auwt hasn't replied, naz hasn't said anything about voting SuperJack.
And MM said he would commit so now we can hold that accountable.