-vote Yukitaka Oni
Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.
Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.
Yuki:
Well it seems like people are fine with letting Yuki get away with bad substance contribution levels.
The only thing of substance I wrote down for her is the deal with her role claims.
The multiple hints at her role are totally unnecessary. I suppose one such post to breadcrumb is fine, but I feel like whatever she is trying to claim is a little too forced. Also, if it is that important that she reveal her role "same as the last game" with MULTIPLE POSTS detailing this, then why not just state it outright? It seems most of you already know what she is trying to claim anyway from being in that last game.
Yuki care to chime in?
I don't get manipulative vibes from Yuki, however. I get more of a disinterested town vibe.
SuperJack(AIVION):
Well SuperJack has not posted enough content for me to get a read on, but I suppose I will just talk about AIVION here.
I liked AIVION's role list. Maybe I'm connecting dots that aren't there, but I am pretty sure I got from it what DarknessB got that other people seem to have missed.
Then he posts some things that seem specifically intended to garner sympathy. It's too soon to tell if this is genuine or scum motivated.
After that, AIVION claims his posts about being a newbie were some sort of elaborate test that Unknown failed. I don't really get what the test was supposed to be. He seems to be overreacting a bit, but meh I don't find the way he is reacting all that scummy.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
-vote Yukitaka Oni
I don't think I can handle another person refusing to cooperate.
Sheeping is not the same as buddying. Sheeping = blindly voting the same as a player. Buddying = sucking up to someone to get them to like you. Let's get the facts straight. I was never sheeping you.
My town read on you was largely due to my interpretation of some things you said early in the day that made me hard gut read you town and believe we had the same role. Based on your denial later in the day, I will need to re-evaluate my read. I kind of don't want to explain what I thought you were because I claimed it's the same thing that I am and I'm not ready to claim just yet.
I honestly dont mind if I come across as a scum attempting to buddy you. I'm going to state my town reads and usually explain them but sometimes not as I see fit.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Can we please please please pressure Calix before going for a Yuki lynch? I really wanna see how she responds to my posts and if she has votes on her when she comes back and has to respond then that's even better. Let's not waste the second half of the day with votes parked on someone who is unlikely to respond even under threat of lynch.
And I just realized my vote was deleted.
-vote Calix
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for you DarknessB. Playing with this newbie surely making me retard....more like downgraded my play skill back to mafia camp...
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A rare Yuki in ultimate form
Yukitaka Oni ~Tafkal Hit Squad Member~
Pressuring with threats going for an eod lynch (yuki). As stated earlier I am not reading calix scum, so im not interested in applying pressure on your calix train right now.
Does anyone know what time the day ends? (+ time zone?)
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Just go back to page 1 and look at the time game started, and add 48 hours?
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
So yuki claimed earlier in this thread that he was the same role as the role he played in his last fm, which im going to assume was the love fm. He played a town citizen in that game, so I dont understand why he would feel the need to claim citizen in this game right now with little pressure on him.
Also as a note, in that game he begged players to hammer him or he would continue to gamethrow. We dont need that behaviour in this game.
Good thing your resorting to calling me a retard and a newbie. @Whad I don't think focusing Calix, one of the more active players, is going to help us. I have learned from my one game is that if someone is not going to help you they shouldn't be in this game. Doesn't matter to me if "they are not going to help right away and that you have to wait" at this point I highly doubt there will be contribution
@Yukitaka Oni if you are not afraid, how come you are calling me a retard. What your doing is making it look like to everyone that I am a player who is going to provide no help at all towards the game, and then calling to Darkness because you think he is going to defend you. Very sad plays if you ask me.
Maybe I am reading this wrong, but i assure you that you are talking about me. "Playing with this newbie is making me retard..." This is basically an indirect way of saying "hanging out with retards makes you one" I don't know how your interpretation this, but that is exactly what it seems like to me.
As for the second quote I have yet to see one, so I don't know why you decided two quotes...
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A rare Yuki in ultimate form
Yukitaka Oni ~Tafkal Hit Squad Member~
If you want to argue about my points, why don't you tell me what you meant by that point? I'm very interested to see how you define what you said. I can quote you saying "playing with this newbie is making me retard" what does that mean if not that I am someone to be ignored
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A rare Yuki in ultimate form
Yukitaka Oni ~Tafkal Hit Squad Member~
Time up. I'm off
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A rare Yuki in ultimate form
Yukitaka Oni ~Tafkal Hit Squad Member~
If your plan is to ignore any comment directed you to by me and ignore me for the day and vote me, I think it's going to go great for you. Seeing the fact that you refuse to answer the question even though i may have interpretated it, it seems as if you are just questioning my intelligence 100%, therefore I will not remove my vote on you
Sorry, this was poorly written.
*directed to you by me
"I may have interpretated it wrong
Okay, since conversation is still low, il pose a question to everyone as a discussion point. Given its within the last 16~ hours of the day, we should start focusing on a lynch candidate. So who is your strongest scum read right now, and what case would you make for having them lynched today.
Mine is evidently Yuki for the previous couple of posts of mine. An unpressured town wouldn't be claiming cit already, and hes not contributing anything meaningful for me to consider keeping him in game.
-vote Yukitaka Oni
Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.
Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.So yuki claimed earlier in this thread that he was the same role as the role he played in his last fm, which im going to assume was the love fm. He played a town citizen in that game, so I dont understand why he would feel the need to claim citizen in this game right now with little pressure on him.
Also as a note, in that game he begged players to hammer him or he would continue to gamethrow. We dont need that behaviour in this game.
hi.
erm i guess nothing and its 1am soooooo
bye.
Pressure on Mesk going nowhere:
-vote Calix
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
The reason that I didn't get back to this game yesterday is because I was sick and was not in the mood to scum-hunt. I am still not feeling great (blocked nose, headache, persistent cough, can barely walk) but I've improved slightly so I will be lurking around until EOD.
Will get around to my defense in a bit, but firstly:
Mesk514
In regards to this player, I agree a lot with Whad. This read is biased due to meta. (in the Beginner's game, Mesk was a Citizen who was considerably more active, aggressive and had more initiative) None of those words can be used to describe Mesk's behaviour this time round.
Makes excuses (NAI by itself) but does not make an effort to scum-hunt to compensate for this.
Fluff posts in response to Firebringer's vote on her. The line "before you all interrogate me" gives me a defensive vibe.
Non-confrontational reads that she had to be asked for. (that last part is another example of her utterly lacking initiative, which is not how town would act)
Whad summed it up when he said that everyone is either town or she's just "misunderstanding" them. That gives the impression that she is struggling to come up with sincere scum-reads because she knows that most of the players are town. This would also explain why she is pressuring nobody.
Not a single hard-scum read to be seen (save for Unknown, who already has votes/ pressure), probably because she fears making enemies in the thread.
That last line is also quite entertaining, given that she only has two posts after that:
Apparently Mesk had NOTHING that she wanted to comment on since the last time she posted. This behaviour reeks of a player who does not feel the slightest bit concerned with offering her thoughts to the town.
-vote Mesk514
Firebringer
I freely admit that these 'ISOs' are only of posts made after I last posted, but I still feel that FB is scummy. He pops in with some more weird buddying of AIVION/ SuperJack...
...kindly consider that his town-read of AIVION/ SuperJack is far stronger than his given reasoning.
He then votes Mesk to 'give them more attention' (in essence, a pressure vote...even though announcing it removes the pressure entirely) and doesn't ask her any questions...
...then switches his vote back to me because "Mesk pressure is going nowhere". Well no shit, how is Mesk supposed to respond to a single vote with no reasoning outside of "pressure"? It's lazy and reads like someone who does not care about finding the scum and is just going through the motions.
It also doesn't occur to him that Mesk is ignoring the 'pressure' for scum-motivated reasons; he's just eager for an excuse to move his vote back to me.
Case in point, this post made while I was still around, where he breezes right past my defense ('cool story') and continues to scum-read me because "Iced looks townier than you". This is even better because he criticises me for using AIVION's interactions to judge him in the very same post.
I think he is more likely to be a Neutral than a Mafia, so if we can't agree on another player, then I would switch my vote back to him.
@Whad , which site do you herald from? Your reluctance to go into much detail on town reads makes me think you're from MS but do correct me if I'm wrong.
No, I don't. I just file reports for it.
Darkness is currently my strongest town-read. Here's a list of where my thoughts lie at the moment (not in any particular order):
DarknessB
Whad
SuperJack
Yukitaka Oni
Unknown1234
Iced Monopoly
Mesk514
Firebringer
I admit that my read on Yuki is flimsy because I can't read him for shit...
Spoiler : Yuki's train :
...but I don't like his train one bit; it's entirely policy-based and we cannot afford that when we have so few mislynches. Iced claims that his behaviour is 'anti-town'...
...but tries to justify his vote as being one that's on a scum-read AS WELL as a vote that is anti-town/ policy. He states that Yuki's insistence on soft-claiming Citizen makes him scummy, but when he says that alongside the "Yuki is anti-town guys", it reads like an attempt to justify a potential mislynch.
How exactly is soft-claiming on multiple occasions a scum tell, anyway? Why would scum want to stick themselves down in any role claim this early on? I know that Citizen is easy as fuck to fake-claim but why would any scum do it that early on? FME, it's mostly town that claim early. (with the one exception of Stealth claiming TPR)
I don't even get how people want to vote for a Yuki lynch over actual scummy players. (given he's claimed, that's ALL you're doing with a vote on him) Meanwhile, Mesk gets a pass for trying not to make enemies and for not scum-hunting or trying to solve the game at ALL.
If you're going to post a reads list, it's got to be dissected
AIVION's 'reaction test' felt like a noob way to justify his shitty posts. Seems to be a pride thing more than anything AI to me.
Iced has no legit read on Mesk. Given how little she had posted at this point in time, this isn't noteworthy by itself save for the fact I think Iced/ Mesk are the mafia. They have not interacted very much (this can also be due to time-zones/ lack of activity on Mesk's part, so this isn't a strong point) so it is possible they are trying to distance themselves.
Unknown isn't a strong town read for me. I just find other players scummier than he is and I am not sure how much sense his interactions with my other scum-reads would make if he was mafia. (will have to reread)
Whad's intentions feel genuine to me and some of his posts gave me a 'townie frustration' vibe. Add this to my agreement with most of his cases. (save for his views on activity being AI - which is annoying but might be because he's from a larger site, will see about that - and his read on me) Moderate town-read.
The way I post has changed given that I am busier than I was back in November-February. Exams + care-taking will do that to you.
You say that the 'worst-case scenario' for Firebringer's lynch is that he would flip town. I have to wonder why you think a town would ever claim that; it's an attempt to deter people from voting him because they fear that he might kill them.Originally Posted by Calix
Why do you consider claiming Jester town-play? And would your opinion change if I told you that Firebringer has a reputation for outrageous gambits/ plays?
S-FM Decisions (pretended to not care about his 'mislynch'), S-FM Colder War (Serial Killer who randomly claimed Doctor and 'rage-quit') and S-FM Prime Minister (he was #11 who left a hard trail of 'roleblock claims' before claiming Escort) are three examples that come to mind.
He has done it as town before (mostly off-site on MS) but he does it considerably more as scum.
If you think I am mafia, why would I actively attempt to lynch a potential Jester on Day 1? I don't get how you think that comes from a survival-orientated mindset, or a scum mindset at all. A Mafia voting for a Jester risks losing 2/3 of the scum on Day 1.
I thought AIVION was scummy until Firebringer buddied up to him as hard as he did. Given that few scum players on this site buddy with their partner, it made me think that Firebringer was more likely to be scum than AIVION was, hence the switch in reads. His shitty defense and evasion of explaining his thought process of AIVION SO TOWN GUISE then gave me the impression that he was more likely to be a Neutral.
Also I feel like I should explain that players on this site are less prone to the 'lurk away the pressure' meta that you refer to. We are a very small site so anyone who does that gets a bad reputation fast. And we also have a fair amount of people who post a lot as scum. FB and myself are two examples
I also said in my initial post that
My lynch on yuki is because even he knows his meta is to just do whatever the fuck he wants and get away with it, so he has no reason to play to any specific role type. He could be just as easily scum as he is town or neutral, and if he is town, hes going to be incredibly unhelpful. Id rather a mislynch than have to deal with his shit in the coming days. But once AGAIN, that is only if there isnt a better candidate for lynching today.
Your case on mesk already reflects what ive considered, with the exception of the meta analysis. Considering I tried to prod conversation today during the lul and she actively ignored it, I would likely move my Unaligned/Light scum read to a light/medium scum read based on the past 14 hours of interaction.
Her actions could also be interpreted as a tpr trying to appease everyone, but not in a strong enough manner to attract too much attention. The meta theory would tie into this as shes not as outspoken as she was when playing citizen in her last sfm.
Both are possible, although I would lean heavier towards a scum alignment then a town.
inb4 Fire comes to send me back to my room for tpr hunting
While I've considered that, I think a TPR would be considerably more likely to, you know, actually help the town and get information to inform her night actions. She is too passive and does not seem invested enough in finding scum FMPOV for that to be the case.
Day 3 of the FM started, so that is probably why activity has tanked.
I agree, which is why I was more inclined to put light/med scum than a tpr. As for the FM, I dont know how many players are shared between this sfm and it, but I wouldve assumed we'd have had slightly more activity this past 14 hours. Ive been posting by myself for some time
Vote Count
Yukitaka Oni (2 [L-3]):
Unknown1234, Iced_Monopoly
Unknown1234 (1 [L-4]):
SuperJack
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad
Mesk514 (1 [L-4]):
Calix
Yuki train needs to die. Mesk is where it's at
And I do completely agree with your opinion on Mesk. She was talking a lot more in the last game, although being busy could be involved as an interference. But although I have not played with Yuki before, so I don't know if this is normal, but I'd like to hear some involvement from him so that it makes my vote less convinced. Yuki didn't even answer the question and was certain to vote me because I said he called me a retard.
Whats your position on Yukis comments regarding not conversing with non-vet players, and his previous game where he threatened game throwing if he wasnt lynched?
Given vet players are likely first to be killed (as theyre most active during the day), Yuki could be left talking to no one, or only talking to alive vet players (which could be scum). That is what concerns me most at least.
I will be leaving shortly for bed, and will endeavor to awake tomorrow morning before EoD, but in the event im not up, I want to sort out where the lynch may be going by then. Im reasonably comfortable with a lynch on mesk or yuki, but yuki has been given plenty of attempts to object and has ignored me, so I would like to give mesk the same time to participate under the current pressure circumstances she is in. So given that youre awake, I will leave you to pursue that avenue, and come tomorrow morning I will read what has transpired and move my vote if required.