S-FM 194: Return to Normalcy Mini

[Yukitaka Oni]

I would like the one with honey and sugar, this fight today is getting boring without veteran player....

[Iced_Monopoly]

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.

Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.

[Whad]

Hi Whad, I do have a question for you. How do you feel about Yuki and Super Jack (AIVION) with a little bit of feedback. Also, we know your name.

Yuki:
Well it seems like people are fine with letting Yuki get away with bad substance contribution levels.

The only thing of substance I wrote down for her is the deal with her role claims.
The multiple hints at her role are totally unnecessary. I suppose one such post to breadcrumb is fine, but I feel like whatever she is trying to claim is a little too forced. Also, if it is that important that she reveal her role "same as the last game" with MULTIPLE POSTS detailing this, then why not just state it outright? It seems most of you already know what she is trying to claim anyway from being in that last game.

Yuki care to chime in?

I don't get manipulative vibes from Yuki, however. I get more of a disinterested town vibe.

SuperJack(AIVION):
Well SuperJack has not posted enough content for me to get a read on, but I suppose I will just talk about AIVION here.

I liked AIVION's role list. Maybe I'm connecting dots that aren't there, but I am pretty sure I got from it what DarknessB got that other people seem to have missed.

Then he posts some things that seem specifically intended to garner sympathy. It's too soon to tell if this is genuine or scum motivated.

You do, because I'm a slow learner

IM GETTING THERE THOUGH!

Because I'm slowly realizing im pretty dumb when it comes to forum mafia... I mean my last couple games were complete failures and no matter what people tell me on how to act and play I seem to always sounds either 1.) Stupid or 2.) Scummy out of it.

So i'm just trying to find my voice... but uh Okay I guess I'll reach out then..

- I liked your comment on the neutrals, I stated that and added that there's a possibility of it being Balanced depending on what is rolled. But since this is ALL RANDOM we have no idea what to expect.
- I liked Iced Analysis on the both of you, it shows he's trying to understand the players around him so he can better contribute.
- Iced comment on how to play citizens and policy lynching lurkers seems a bit redundant... And weird for page 1.

Yay! I did stuff I think.

Ask me questions and I will contribute. You have to remember this is what... barely my third game On Forum Mafia?

After that, AIVION claims his posts about being a newbie were some sort of elaborate test that Unknown failed. I don't really get what the test was supposed to be. He seems to be overreacting a bit, but meh I don't find the way he is reacting all that scummy.

I just jumped back and reread the thread and see this guy Making a case one me based off of *loose* properties I.E *Trying to say i'm trying to suck up to the masses with my posts* and now he's trying to discredit Firebringer over one of his obvious posts and making this kind of overreaction?

To me this screams of scum trying to scum-hunt with crumbs instead of actual Cold-Hard facts... It feels really fake to me

-vote Unknown1234

BTW My noob act was a reaction test, good job failing it Unknown

Gonna go now since I have a life, be back later to post my thoughts on the game.

Chao!~

[Unknown1234]

Yuki:
Well it seems like people are fine with letting Yuki get away with bad substance contribution levels.

The only thing of substance I wrote down for her is the deal with her role claims.
The multiple hints at her role are totally unnecessary. I suppose one such post to breadcrumb is fine, but I feel like whatever she is trying to claim is a little too forced. Also, if it is that important that she reveal her role "same as the last game" with MULTIPLE POSTS detailing this, then why not just state it outright? It seems most of you already know what she is trying to claim anyway from being in that last game.

Yuki care to chime in?

I don't get manipulative vibes from Yuki, however. I get more of a disinterested town vibe.

SuperJack(AIVION):
Well SuperJack has not posted enough content for me to get a read on, but I suppose I will just talk about AIVION here.

I liked AIVION's role list. Maybe I'm connecting dots that aren't there, but I am pretty sure I got from it what DarknessB got that other people seem to have missed.

Then he posts some things that seem specifically intended to garner sympathy. It's too soon to tell if this is genuine or scum motivated.




After that, AIVION claims his posts about being a newbie were some sort of elaborate test that Unknown failed. I don't really get what the test was supposed to be. He seems to be overreacting a bit, but meh I don't find the way he is reacting all that scummy.

Thanks for telling me this, I respect your opinion and that your willing to be more involved

[Unknown1234]

-vote Yukitaka Oni

I don't think I can handle another person refusing to cooperate.

[Whad]

This was explained in my post that immediately followed yours when you first asked my opinion. A number of players were heavy scum reading me, and you instead were reading me as town. The others had explained why I was scum, you offered no explanation. It comes across as you are scum, therefor you know im town, so you attempted to buddy me by appealing to my alignment and in turn trying to clear yourself from my radar by offering yourself as a friend while i was under scrutiny. That was what I interpreted

Sheeping is not the same as buddying. Sheeping = blindly voting the same as a player. Buddying = sucking up to someone to get them to like you. Let's get the facts straight. I was never sheeping you.

My town read on you was largely due to my interpretation of some things you said early in the day that made me hard gut read you town and believe we had the same role. Based on your denial later in the day, I will need to re-evaluate my read. I kind of don't want to explain what I thought you were because I claimed it's the same thing that I am and I'm not ready to claim just yet.

I honestly dont mind if I come across as a scum attempting to buddy you. I'm going to state my town reads and usually explain them but sometimes not as I see fit.

[Whad]

-vote Yukitaka Oni

I don't think I can handle another person refusing to cooperate.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.

Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.

Can we please please please pressure Calix before going for a Yuki lynch? I really wanna see how she responds to my posts and if she has votes on her when she comes back and has to respond then that's even better. Let's not waste the second half of the day with votes parked on someone who is unlikely to respond even under threat of lynch.

And I just realized my vote was deleted.

-vote Calix

[Yukitaka Oni]

-vote Yukitaka Oni

I don't think I can handle another person refusing to cooperate.

You think I'm going to afraid?
Too bad.....this ain't the normal Yuki play style....

[Yukitaka Oni]

Anyway, I'm still waiting for you DarknessB. Playing with this newbie surely making me retard....more like downgraded my play skill back to mafia camp...

[Iced_Monopoly]

Sheeping is not the same as buddying. Sheeping = blindly voting the same as a player. Buddying = sucking up to someone to get them to like you. Let's get the facts straight. I was never sheeping you.

My town read on you was largely due to my interpretation of some things you said early in the day that made me hard gut read you town and believe we had the same role. Based on your denial later in the day, I will need to re-evaluate my read. I kind of don't want to explain what I thought you were because I claimed it's the same thing that I am and I'm not ready to claim just yet.

I honestly dont mind if I come across as a scum attempting to buddy you. I'm going to state my town reads and usually explain them but sometimes not as I see fit.

Not sure why youre defining sheeping and buddying. I said buddying throughout that entire post, mesk was saying sheeping. Feel free to reavaluate me, but make your thoughts known. That is the general consensus, hiding is not good.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Can we please please please pressure Calix before going for a Yuki lynch? I really wanna see how she responds to my posts and if she has votes on her when she comes back and has to respond then that's even better. Let's not waste the second half of the day with votes parked on someone who is unlikely to respond even under threat of lynch.

And I just realized my vote was deleted.

-vote Calix

This is not a yuki lynch, this is yuki pressure right now, there are still 20 hours ~ in the day, I will not allow a lynch until eod

[Iced_Monopoly]

Pressuring with threats going for an eod lynch (yuki). As stated earlier I am not reading calix scum, so im not interested in applying pressure on your calix train right now.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Anyway, I'm still waiting for you DarknessB. Playing with this newbie surely making me retard....more like downgraded my play skill back to mafia camp...

If you don't come back, I'm really gonna play lurking

[Whad]

Does anyone know what time the day ends? (+ time zone?)

[Iced_Monopoly]

Just go back to page 1 and look at the time game started, and add 48 hours?

[Whad]

Just go back to page 1 and look at the time game started, and add 48 hours?

Ok. It's like I thought. I'm going to sleep and I won't be on around the time the day ends. I can try to pop in briefly right when I wake up but it wont be for long. I'm kind of losing interest in this game due to the lack of activity.

[Iced_Monopoly]

So yuki claimed earlier in this thread that he was the same role as the role he played in his last fm, which im going to assume was the love fm. He played a town citizen in that game, so I dont understand why he would feel the need to claim citizen in this game right now with little pressure on him.

Also as a note, in that game he begged players to hammer him or he would continue to gamethrow. We dont need that behaviour in this game.

[Unknown1234]

Anyway, I'm still waiting for you DarknessB. Playing with this newbie surely making me retard....more like downgraded my play skill back to mafia camp...

Good thing your resorting to calling me a retard and a newbie. @Whad I don't think focusing Calix, one of the more active players, is going to help us. I have learned from my one game is that if someone is not going to help you they shouldn't be in this game. Doesn't matter to me if "they are not going to help right away and that you have to wait" at this point I highly doubt there will be contribution

@Yukitaka Oni if you are not afraid, how come you are calling me a retard. What your doing is making it look like to everyone that I am a player who is going to provide no help at all towards the game, and then calling to Darkness because you think he is going to defend you. Very sad plays if you ask me.

[Yukitaka Oni]

The....unknown.....know.......nothing....how ironic

Good thing your resorting to calling me a retard and a newbie. @Whad I don't think focusing Calix, one of the more active players, is going to help us. I have learned from my one game is that if someone is not going to help you they shouldn't be in this game. Doesn't matter to me if "they are not going to help right away and that you have to wait" at this point I highly doubt there will be contribution

@Yukitaka Oni if you are not afraid, how come you are calling me a retard. What your doing is making it look like to everyone that I am a player who is going to provide no help at all towards the game, and then calling to Darkness because you think he is going to defend you. Very sad plays if you ask me.

Not gonna repeat.....too sorrow about psyduck death to care

[Yukitaka Oni]

Not gonna repeat.....too sorrow about psyduck death to care

I give you 2 post to prove any evidence that i call you a retard or you're the biggest scum for being the worst liar in this game. Starting now

[Unknown1234]

Anyway, I'm still waiting for you DarknessB. Playing with this newbie surely making me retard....more like downgraded my play skill back to mafia camp...

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but i assure you that you are talking about me. "Playing with this newbie is making me retard..." This is basically an indirect way of saying "hanging out with retards makes you one" I don't know how your interpretation this, but that is exactly what it seems like to me.

As for the second quote I have yet to see one, so I don't know why you decided two quotes...

[Yukitaka Oni]

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but i assure you that you are talking about me. "Playing with this newbie is making me retard..." This is basically an indirect way of saying "hanging out with retards makes you one" I don't know how your interpretation this, but that is exactly what it seems like to me.

As for the second quote I have yet to see one, so I don't know why you decided two quotes...

Prove real life that playing with smart people can make him smarter. Prove a normal people hanging out with retard people can make that normal person retard. Now

[Unknown1234]

The....unknown.....know.......nothing....how ironic

This would be the second post I would use as part of my argument. You didn't call me a retard but you certainly are building towards the point that I am someone that should be ignored completely by making a joke about my name.

[Unknown1234]

Prove real life that playing with smart people can make him smarter. Prove a normal people hanging out with retard people can make that normal person retard. Now

If you want to argue about my points, why don't you tell me what you meant by that point? I'm very interested to see how you define what you said. I can quote you saying "playing with this newbie is making me retard" what does that mean if not that I am someone to be ignored

[Yukitaka Oni]

This would be the second post I would use as part of my argument. You didn't call me a retard but you certainly are building towards the point that I am someone that should be ignored completely by making a joke about my name.

Because you know nothing about DarknessB, so you believe I'm calling DarknessB for (helping)
More evidence you either pretend to be misread again or........you're the scum that lying evidence to lynch me.

[Yukitaka Oni]

If you want to argue about my points, why don't you tell me what you meant by that point? I'm very interested to see how you define what you said. I can quote you saying "playing with this newbie is making me retard" what does that mean if not that I am someone to be ignored

And this count as 2nd post. No clear answer, you know your fate.....tomorrow

[Yukitaka Oni]

Time up. I'm off

[Unknown1234]

And this count as 2nd post. No clear answer, you know your fate.....tomorrow

If your plan is to ignore any comment directed you to by me and ignore me for the day and vote me, I think it's going to go great for you. Seeing the fact that you refuse to answer the question even though i may have interpretated it, it seems as if you are just questioning my intelligence 100%, therefore I will not remove my vote on you

[Unknown1234]

Sorry, this was poorly written.

*directed to you by me
"I may have interpretated it wrong

[Iced_Monopoly]

Okay, since conversation is still low, il pose a question to everyone as a discussion point. Given its within the last 16~ hours of the day, we should start focusing on a lynch candidate. So who is your strongest scum read right now, and what case would you make for having them lynched today.

Mine is evidently Yuki for the previous couple of posts of mine. An unpressured town wouldn't be claiming cit already, and hes not contributing anything meaningful for me to consider keeping him in game.

-vote Yukitaka Oni


Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.

Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.

So yuki claimed earlier in this thread that he was the same role as the role he played in his last fm, which im going to assume was the love fm. He played a town citizen in that game, so I dont understand why he would feel the need to claim citizen in this game right now with little pressure on him.

Also as a note, in that game he begged players to hammer him or he would continue to gamethrow. We dont need that behaviour in this game.

[Mesk514]

hi.

[Mesk514]

erm i guess nothing and its 1am soooooo

bye.

[Firebringer]

Pressure on Mesk going nowhere:

-vote Calix

[Calix]

The reason that I didn't get back to this game yesterday is because I was sick and was not in the mood to scum-hunt. I am still not feeling great (blocked nose, headache, persistent cough, can barely walk) but I've improved slightly so I will be lurking around until EOD.

Will get around to my defense in a bit, but firstly:

Mesk514

In regards to this player, I agree a lot with Whad. This read is biased due to meta. (in the Beginner's game, Mesk was a Citizen who was considerably more active, aggressive and had more initiative) None of those words can be used to describe Mesk's behaviour this time round.

Hi,

So yesterday when this game started I wasn't online and when i was online i was really like not on this planet.... sooooooo excuse me for the random 2 cents but I did want to show i was participating....I'm just going to go over some thing I know I had been asked some question about my ideas and there was an accusation somewhere, just give me a moment please.

Also right now it's 7:30am for me. I will be most likely on till around 11 or so then i'll be fucking off for a bit.
but most times you can find me active after 10pm... except for last night where i passed out at the computer with cheeseycheese on my fingers.

goddamnnn, YYYEEEEEEEEEEES GIIIIVE ME ATTEEENTTTIIOOOON.....

but let me finish writing what i was writing before i saw someone was giving me some love please before you all interrogate me.
Kthanks

Makes excuses (NAI by itself) but does not make an effort to scum-hunt to compensate for this.

Fluff posts in response to Firebringer's vote on her. The line "before you all interrogate me" gives me a defensive vibe.

Calix: She seems to have taken the right foot forward as she doesn't waste anytime getting on scum hunting. I like how she tries to steer the conversation in the direction of productivity. pro town move.

DarknessB: Doesn't strike me as scum although his posts weren't in depth with content.

Iced Monopoly: Very active, asking comments, providing analysis' and somewhere to start.

Firebringer: I don't get his Jester claim. You can't call scum based on someones reaction and then say they're even more scummier when they call out someone you think is town and they're just questioning. smells more fishier than a hooker.

AIVION/SuperJack: Not much was said, but the things that were said seemed insightful and only good motives.

Yuki: Clearly a nuisance. Sounds like an announcer ready to watch the fights go down while he lurks.... maybe laughing at everyone bickering as he sits as scum, but could just be a simple nuisance to the game.

Whad: BAAAAAHHHHBAAAAAAAHHHHBLACKKKK SHEEEP WHY THE FUCKK YOU SHEEEEPPPINN? you seem to be clinging to ice monopoly a little there.

What in god's name are you talking about. You lost me when you included yourself as someone you see me potential scum buddying. Please explain!!!!!!

Unknown: His analysis was bland. He pointed out a lot of things a blind person could point out... stating the obvious? scum!

I have to do laundry. but basically all this is what I feel based on what i skimmed through yesterday and today....

Every post after this one will have my 110% attention as i feel i'm caught up now.

Non-confrontational reads that she had to be asked for. (that last part is another example of her utterly lacking initiative, which is not how town would act)

Whad summed it up when he said that everyone is either town or she's just "misunderstanding" them. That gives the impression that she is struggling to come up with sincere scum-reads because she knows that most of the players are town. This would also explain why she is pressuring nobody.

Not a single hard-scum read to be seen (save for Unknown, who already has votes/ pressure), probably because she fears making enemies in the thread.

That last line is also quite entertaining, given that she only has two posts after that:

hi.

erm i guess nothing and its 1am soooooo

bye.

Apparently Mesk had NOTHING that she wanted to comment on since the last time she posted. This behaviour reeks of a player who does not feel the slightest bit concerned with offering her thoughts to the town.

-vote Mesk514

[Calix]

Firebringer

I freely admit that these 'ISOs' are only of posts made after I last posted, but I still feel that FB is scummy. He pops in with some more weird buddying of AIVION/ SuperJack...

Hey Superjack you replaced a town slot. Therefore you are town.
Stop voting my town read.

-vote Mesk514

Lets give this person more attention.

...kindly consider that his town-read of AIVION/ SuperJack is far stronger than his given reasoning.

He then votes Mesk to 'give them more attention' (in essence, a pressure vote...even though announcing it removes the pressure entirely) and doesn't ask her any questions...

Pressure on Mesk going nowhere:

-vote Calix

...then switches his vote back to me because "Mesk pressure is going nowhere". Well no shit, how is Mesk supposed to respond to a single vote with no reasoning outside of "pressure"? It's lazy and reads like someone who does not care about finding the scum and is just going through the motions.

It also doesn't occur to him that Mesk is ignoring the 'pressure' for scum-motivated reasons; he's just eager for an excuse to move his vote back to me.

Your right, my reads are changing. But I have been saying you are scum and I said you were leaning more towards null, though with Iced latest posting you might be my strongest scum read.

Cool story

What does your interactions with me change AIVIONs role card? How does what I do, impact what his alignment is? Seriously.

Case in point, this post made while I was still around, where he breezes right past my defense ('cool story') and continues to scum-read me because "Iced looks townier than you". This is even better because he criticises me for using AIVION's interactions to judge him in the very same post.

I think he is more likely to be a Neutral than a Mafia, so if we can't agree on another player, then I would switch my vote back to him.

[Calix]

@Whad , which site do you herald from? Your reluctance to go into much detail on town reads makes me think you're from MS but do correct me if I'm wrong.

Please come back to mine later.

My note on "reconciling" my opinion has to do with the fact that there are only three scum in this game, and more than three people were putting DarknessB in a town slot or even had once suspected DarknessB but drastically flipped their opinion (Firebringer). I don't have the advantage of knowing meta on his playstyle or any of all of your playstyles to help inform my reads.

I actually got a lot out of that post from AIVION.

Who here plays the sc2mafia mod?

Calix, do you play the sc2mafia mod?

No, I don't. I just file reports for it.

Darkness is currently my strongest town-read. Here's a list of where my thoughts lie at the moment (not in any particular order):

DarknessB
Whad
SuperJack
Yukitaka Oni
Unknown1234
Iced Monopoly
Mesk514
Firebringer

I admit that my read on Yuki is flimsy because I can't read him for shit...

Spoiler : Yuki's train :

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.

Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

I don't think I can handle another person refusing to cooperate.

...but I don't like his train one bit; it's entirely policy-based and we cannot afford that when we have so few mislynches. Iced claims that his behaviour is 'anti-town'...

So yuki claimed earlier in this thread that he was the same role as the role he played in his last fm, which im going to assume was the love fm. He played a town citizen in that game, so I dont understand why he would feel the need to claim citizen in this game right now with little pressure on him.

Also as a note, in that game he begged players to hammer him or he would continue to gamethrow. We dont need that behaviour in this game.

Okay, since conversation is still low, il pose a question to everyone as a discussion point. Given its within the last 16~ hours of the day, we should start focusing on a lynch candidate. So who is your strongest scum read right now, and what case would you make for having them lynched today.

Mine is evidently Yuki for the previous couple of posts of mine. An unpressured town wouldn't be claiming cit already, and hes not contributing anything meaningful for me to consider keeping him in game.

...but tries to justify his vote as being one that's on a scum-read AS WELL as a vote that is anti-town/ policy. He states that Yuki's insistence on soft-claiming Citizen makes him scummy, but when he says that alongside the "Yuki is anti-town guys", it reads like an attempt to justify a potential mislynch.

How exactly is soft-claiming on multiple occasions a scum tell, anyway? Why would scum want to stick themselves down in any role claim this early on? I know that Citizen is easy as fuck to fake-claim but why would any scum do it that early on? FME, it's mostly town that claim early. (with the one exception of Stealth claiming TPR)

I don't even get how people want to vote for a Yuki lynch over actual scummy players. (given he's claimed, that's ALL you're doing with a vote on him) Meanwhile, Mesk gets a pass for trying not to make enemies and for not scum-hunting or trying to solve the game at ALL.

[Iced_Monopoly]

In regards to this player, I agree a lot with Whad. This read is biased due to meta. (in the Beginner's game, Mesk was a Citizen who was considerably more active, aggressive and had more initiative) None of those words can be used to describe Mesk's behaviour this time round.

Whad summed it up when he said that everyone is either town or she's just "misunderstanding" them. That gives the impression that she is struggling to come up with sincere scum-reads because she knows that most of the players are town. This would also explain why she is pressuring nobody.

Not a single hard-scum read to be seen (save for Unknown, who already has votes/ pressure), probably because she fears making enemies in the thread.

Werent those my posts?

Never mind there wasnt all that much to read through, so shes done little to post so far, besides her reads list which was pretty bland. It had almost every player listed as either being nice and innocent, or excusing potential scum activity as just a misunderstanding. Her views aligned with mine on Whad and actually got me to more deeply consider my theory of his sheeping, but other than that shes only posted a couple of actual scum reads, which could have some merit, but arent quite so in depth. Looking forward to seeing more, so far im leaning unaligned, with potential light scum given her need to appease players and taking shots at some of the easier targets

[Calix]

Popping in before school. Just going to note down these posts and come back to them later (if still relevant)

Spoiler : Iced's reads :

READS

2. @AIVION
Was initially willing to dismiss his early posts as they centered around a potential attempt to garner sympathy, however his later interactions with Unknown became more interesting, especially the flip on the 'reaction test' and Noob alibi. It appears to me an attempt to cover the previously meaningless posts, although does raise a good point in relation to Unknowns filler and shitposts. Currently leaning Unaligned/Light Scum.

3. @Mesk514
Has not returned to post since claiming she was reading, Unaligned for now until content is posted.

4. @Yukitaka Oni
As usual Yuki meta, posts arbitrary content that doesnt contribute to discussion. A number of posts are instead shitposts related to a showdown between several players and encouraging that. Has avoided several of mine, and other players questions, instead opting to hide between the fight that was going down between calix and fire - admitted to this too. If Yuki wasnt naturally a wild/neutral card, id put him there, but for now hes just going straight in the scum pile until he contributes something useful (Im not optimistic for a day 1 contribution, but hoping for d2+)

5. @Unknown1234
Early posting indicated overt defensivess under minor pressure. Didnt react well when poked about a mostly innocent question. Has continued to pressure avion, which has not garnered as much attention from fire as calix gained from fire when broaching the topic of Avion. Despite to a degree being ignored/not as loud as some other players, but continuing to post and not using it as an excuse to lurk, would place Light/Medium Town.

6. @Whad
Since joining has only asked 1 question regarding darkness in calix's town pile, didnt receive an answer and hasnt pursued. Potentially trying to appear active and involved despite wanting to fly under the radar - Only a thought, too little information to go on. Unaligned for now.

7. @Calix
Initially set to be neutral, remaining mostly impartial and mediating/encouraging discussion. Began engaging more thoroughly with other players as the game picked up pace. Style appears to be more defensive/personal than what im used to seeing (but meta is discounted in reads given my low play count). Expecting a more in depth investigation into player interactions and posting come day 2. Light/Medium Town.

8. @DarknessB
Has mostly moved to analyse and question posts, providing a platform for early discussion. The argument that arose between him and fire seemed more personal than in-game related and as a result is unlikely to be representative of role alignment. His posts before leaving were emotional/passionate, pressure will be most advantageous to prying information in coming days. For now Unaligned/Light town read.

9. @Firebringer
Seeming ready to instigate an arguement or delve into discussion on topics with almost any player. Potentially reaction testing players and guaging responses to mark against future posts, seems town aligned although his innability to answer Calix's question regarding his defense of aivon (on multiple occasions) leaves me with a unaligned/light scum read.

If you're going to post a reads list, it's got to be dissected

AIVION's 'reaction test' felt like a noob way to justify his shitty posts. Seems to be a pride thing more than anything AI to me.

Iced has no legit read on Mesk. Given how little she had posted at this point in time, this isn't noteworthy by itself save for the fact I think Iced/ Mesk are the mafia. They have not interacted very much (this can also be due to time-zones/ lack of activity on Mesk's part, so this isn't a strong point) so it is possible they are trying to distance themselves.

Unknown isn't a strong town read for me. I just find other players scummier than he is and I am not sure how much sense his interactions with my other scum-reads would make if he was mafia. (will have to reread)

Whad's intentions feel genuine to me and some of his posts gave me a 'townie frustration' vibe. Add this to my agreement with most of his cases. (save for his views on activity being AI - which is annoying but might be because he's from a larger site, will see about that - and his read on me) Moderate town-read.

The way I post has changed given that I am busier than I was back in November-February. Exams + care-taking will do that to you.

Spoiler : Whad's case on me :

I have been busy catching up on the whole thread so far and have finally finished.

At the current moment, I think you are really scummy and there are a few things I would like you to clear up.

1. Your scummy play regarding Firebringer's Jester claim

Firebringer claiming Jester and then a mafia claim with you as a scumbuddy seems like bad townplay, but townplay nonetheless. His play does not seem consistent with a jester, or a neutral and thus I find your post quoted below to be particularly weak:



This next quote of yours really bothers me since you say that lynching Firebringer means the "worst case scenario" is lynching a Jester. It makes me think that you are mafia and know that Firebringer is not your ally. Worst case scenario for a genuine townsperson would be lynching a townie. It's very interesting to me that you go straight to the mafia mindset where the worst case scenario is where you have helped lynch a jester and might succumb to jester grief:



2. Voting with AIVION your scum suspect

I think your reaction to Firebringer hard defending your scumsuspect AIVION is reasonable. However, it rubs me the wrong way that you then vote for Firebringer on a train WITH your biggest scumsuspect AIVION. This reads to me like distancing yourself from a potential scumbuddy (AIVION) and subtly pushing for a wagon on Firebringer who is a big talker in the town.

You say that the 'worst-case scenario' for Firebringer's lynch is that he would flip town. I have to wonder why you think a town would ever claim that; it's an attempt to deter people from voting him because they fear that he might kill them.

Why do you consider claiming Jester town-play? And would your opinion change if I told you that Firebringer has a reputation for outrageous gambits/ plays?

S-FM Decisions (pretended to not care about his 'mislynch'), S-FM Colder War (Serial Killer who randomly claimed Doctor and 'rage-quit') and S-FM Prime Minister (he was #11 who left a hard trail of 'roleblock claims' before claiming Escort) are three examples that come to mind.

He has done it as town before (mostly off-site on MS) but he does it considerably more as scum.

If you think I am mafia, why would I actively attempt to lynch a potential Jester on Day 1? I don't get how you think that comes from a survival-orientated mindset, or a scum mindset at all. A Mafia voting for a Jester risks losing 2/3 of the scum on Day 1.

I thought AIVION was scummy until Firebringer buddied up to him as hard as he did. Given that few scum players on this site buddy with their partner, it made me think that Firebringer was more likely to be scum than AIVION was, hence the switch in reads. His shitty defense and evasion of explaining his thought process of AIVION SO TOWN GUISE then gave me the impression that he was more likely to be a Neutral.

Also I feel like I should explain that players on this site are less prone to the 'lurk away the pressure' meta that you refer to. We are a very small site so anyone who does that gets a bad reputation fast. And we also have a fair amount of people who post a lot as scum. FB and myself are two examples

[Iced_Monopoly]

@Whad , which site do you herald from? Your reluctance to go into much detail on town reads makes me think you're from MS but do correct me if I'm wrong.



No, I don't. I just file reports for it.

Darkness is currently my strongest town-read. Here's a list of where my thoughts lie at the moment (not in any particular order):

DarknessB
Whad
SuperJack
Yukitaka Oni
Unknown1234
Iced Monopoly
Mesk514
Firebringer

I admit that my read on Yuki is flimsy because I can't read him for shit...

Spoiler : Yuki's train :

...but I don't like his train one bit; it's entirely policy-based and we cannot afford that when we have so few mislynches. Iced claims that his behaviour is 'anti-town'...





...but tries to justify his vote as being one that's on a scum-read AS WELL as a vote that is anti-town/ policy. He states that Yuki's insistence on soft-claiming Citizen makes him scummy, but when he says that alongside the "Yuki is anti-town guys", it reads like an attempt to justify a potential mislynch.

How exactly is soft-claiming on multiple occasions a scum tell, anyway? Why would scum want to stick themselves down in any role claim this early on? I know that Citizen is easy as fuck to fake-claim but why would any scum do it that early on? FME, it's mostly town that claim early. (with the one exception of Stealth claiming TPR)

I don't even get how people want to vote for a Yuki lynch over actual scummy players. (given he's claimed, that's ALL you're doing with a vote on him) Meanwhile, Mesk gets a pass for trying not to make enemies and for not scum-hunting or trying to solve the game at ALL.

I also said in my initial post that

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Im not really in the mood to have to deal with this behaviour in yet another game. Its counter productive and anti town. Yuki has avoided almost every single question posed to him by every player, he wont participate in discussions with 'non vet' players, and when he does participate its just shit posting.

Calix will come in claiming im going for low hanging fruit, SJ will defend yuki to the end of the earth, and well thats about all I forsee for now, but regardless my vote is going here and staying until a better candidate comes along or yuki actually plays the game.

My lynch on yuki is because even he knows his meta is to just do whatever the fuck he wants and get away with it, so he has no reason to play to any specific role type. He could be just as easily scum as he is town or neutral, and if he is town, hes going to be incredibly unhelpful. Id rather a mislynch than have to deal with his shit in the coming days. But once AGAIN, that is only if there isnt a better candidate for lynching today.

[Calix]

Werent those my posts?

I was referring to Whad criticising Mesk's reads, unless I got you two mixed up.

However I overlooked that post of yours, so ignore my comment in #438 about interactions.

[Iced_Monopoly]

If you're going to post a reads list, it's got to be dissected
Iced has no legit read on Mesk. Given how little she had posted at this point in time, this isn't noteworthy by itself save for the fact I think Iced/ Mesk are the mafia. They have not interacted very much (this can also be due to time-zones/ lack of activity on Mesk's part, so this isn't a strong point) so it is possible they are trying to distance themselves.

Once again, I did post about mesk, in the following page(s) after she had started posting. Specifically I mentioned her in the post that you claimed Whad had writted that I pointed out in my above post.

[Calix]

What do you make of my case on Mesk then? She has also not been contributing very much and she doesn't have the excuse of meta on her side.

[Iced_Monopoly]

What do you make of my case on Mesk then? She has also not been contributing very much and she doesn't have the excuse of meta on her side.

Your case on mesk already reflects what ive considered, with the exception of the meta analysis. Considering I tried to prod conversation today during the lul and she actively ignored it, I would likely move my Unaligned/Light scum read to a light/medium scum read based on the past 14 hours of interaction.

Her actions could also be interpreted as a tpr trying to appease everyone, but not in a strong enough manner to attract too much attention. The meta theory would tie into this as shes not as outspoken as she was when playing citizen in her last sfm.

Both are possible, although I would lean heavier towards a scum alignment then a town.

[Iced_Monopoly]

inb4 Fire comes to send me back to my room for tpr hunting

[Calix]

Your case on mesk already reflects what ive considered, with the exception of the meta analysis. Considering I tried to prod conversation today during the lul and she actively ignored it, I would likely move my Unaligned/Light scum read to a light/medium scum read based on the past 14 hours of interaction.

Her actions could also be interpreted as a tpr trying to appease everyone, but not in a strong enough manner to attract too much attention. The meta theory would tie into this as shes not as outspoken as she was when playing citizen in her last sfm.

Both are possible, although I would lean heavier towards a scum alignment then a town.

While I've considered that, I think a TPR would be considerably more likely to, you know, actually help the town and get information to inform her night actions. She is too passive and does not seem invested enough in finding scum FMPOV for that to be the case.

Day 3 of the FM started, so that is probably why activity has tanked.

[Iced_Monopoly]

While I've considered that, I think a TPR would be considerably more likely to, you know, actually help the town and get information to inform her night actions. She is too passive and does not seem invested enough in finding scum FMPOV for that to be the case.

Day 3 of the FM started, so that is probably why activity has tanked.

I agree, which is why I was more inclined to put light/med scum than a tpr. As for the FM, I dont know how many players are shared between this sfm and it, but I wouldve assumed we'd have had slightly more activity this past 14 hours. Ive been posting by myself for some time

[Calix]

Vote Count

Yukitaka Oni (2 [L-3]):
Unknown1234, Iced_Monopoly
Unknown1234 (1 [L-4]):
SuperJack
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad
Mesk514 (1 [L-4]):
Calix

Yuki train needs to die. Mesk is where it's at

[Unknown1234]

Vote Count

Yukitaka Oni (2 [L-3]):
Unknown1234, Iced_Monopoly
Unknown1234 (1 [L-4]):
SuperJack
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad
Mesk514 (1 [L-4]):
Calix

Yuki train needs to die. Mesk is where it's at

And I do completely agree with your opinion on Mesk. She was talking a lot more in the last game, although being busy could be involved as an interference. But although I have not played with Yuki before, so I don't know if this is normal, but I'd like to hear some involvement from him so that it makes my vote less convinced. Yuki didn't even answer the question and was certain to vote me because I said he called me a retard.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Vote Count

Yukitaka Oni (2 [L-3]):
Unknown1234, Iced_Monopoly
Unknown1234 (1 [L-4]):
SuperJack
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad
Mesk514 (1 [L-4]):
Calix

Yuki train needs to die. Mesk is where it's at

Whats your position on Yukis comments regarding not conversing with non-vet players, and his previous game where he threatened game throwing if he wasnt lynched?

Given vet players are likely first to be killed (as theyre most active during the day), Yuki could be left talking to no one, or only talking to alive vet players (which could be scum). That is what concerns me most at least.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I will be leaving shortly for bed, and will endeavor to awake tomorrow morning before EoD, but in the event im not up, I want to sort out where the lynch may be going by then. Im reasonably comfortable with a lynch on mesk or yuki, but yuki has been given plenty of attempts to object and has ignored me, so I would like to give mesk the same time to participate under the current pressure circumstances she is in. So given that youre awake, I will leave you to pursue that avenue, and come tomorrow morning I will read what has transpired and move my vote if required.