S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[macdougall]

Never played with them before

alright cool

I haven't in ages but I used to have a really strong godread

[ikarusdk]

@Martin,

I had multiple tabs opened up for each post, because I was basically doing catch up and commenting on certain posts. I knew I had like 6 pages worth of stuff so I didn't want to post something, only to realise I was wrong about something later on, and having to post a follow up comment, which would end up confusing to read. So I had prepared everything before I got tired of what I was doing and submitted them all. Hope that clarifies your comment there.

[macdougall]

Thought I might as well. We have a vote-history button but its not good at showing retrospective vote-counts unless you start counting.

Kutiplz (1):
ikarusdk
ikarusdk (1):
Kutiplz
Ultra (1):
Marshmallow Marshall
Wiisp (1):
Ultra
macdougall (1):
Wiisp
Marshmallow Marshall (1):
macdougall
mac (1):
Dark Magician
Dark Magician (2):
powerofdeath, MartinGG99

this sucks as a vc but I personally can't improve it because I still feel like my Marshall vote is my best vote

[Loldebite]

Weird take on Stellaria

Feels very different to stellarias wolf game
Feels there is a consistent lack of solves in their posts.
Feels that townread on achro who has been insisting they are neutral is very weird
Feels that saying achro isn't neutral is a bit of tmi, maybe achro mentioned something they also have.
Because stellaria might actually be another neutral.
Don't think they are wolf here though based on my limited meta

I can't agree about TMI and you can't either without TMI-ing, which is quite ironic don't you think ?

This reminds me more of T!ika than S!ika so you're now in the low-end cute bucket.

[macdougall]

wiisp I could vote for but the feeling in my balls is he's town and omgussing me lol

[ikarusdk]

That reminds me. PoD does have a limited but good record of catching wolf MM, particularly in situations where not many people have suspected/pushed wolf MM specifically, so I want to add that if people are evaluating MM in the future and need a second opinion other than mine I suggest PoD is a good person to check with on that department.

Of course this validates my feeling that MM is town here.

and I have a good record of scumreading when Pod is town xD so pod is probably wolf this game

[macdougall]

I can't agree about TMI and you can't either without TMI-ing, which is quite ironic don't you think ?

This reminds me more of T!ika than S!ika so you're now in the low-end cute bucket.

ikarusdk and Stella are both fairly towny fmpov fwiw

[ikarusdk]

This is such a self conscious post idk how to actually read this

You can read it as however you like. I haven't really tried to town up yet, although I did leak certain stuff about my role.

[macdougall]

and I have a good record of scumreading when Pod is town xD so pod is probably wolf this game

can we like mason or something I think I just need someone to give my vote to cuz I can't be a one man solving machine here

[Loldebite]

and I have a good record of scumreading when Pod is town xD so pod is probably wolf this game

Uhhh... What ? If you're saying what I'm understanding then scratch all that cuteness

[Dark Magician]

@Martin

Look at the roles shown and you take a look at what I could be.

[ikarusdk]

I can't agree about TMI and you can't either without TMI-ing, which is quite ironic don't you think ?

This reminds me more of T!ika than S!ika so you're now in the low-end cute bucket.

What I meant about TMI, (I am aware neuts are uninformed and I should've actually verified this with the host) but I wasn't certain that roles could be shared between alignments.
If it didn't, and Achro was saying stuff about possible roles Stella could have, that could be TMI about Achro not having those abilities

[ikarusdk]

Uhhh... What ? If you're saying what I'm understanding then scratch all that cuteness

/s

/s

/s

[Loldebite]

What I meant about TMI, (I am aware neuts are uninformed and I should've actually verified this with the host) but I wasn't certain that roles could be shared between alignments.
If it didn't, and Achro was saying stuff about possible roles Stella could have, that could be TMI about Achro not having those abilities

Ah right, would abilities be locked it would've been that much more likely indeed.

[ikarusdk]

can we like mason or something I think I just need someone to give my vote to cuz I can't be a one man solving machine here

We could, but I don't agree with your sus on MM all that much...

[Dark Magician]

cuz you have a lot of swagger and care about your reads... you want to be heard and are trying to push your solves and are just generally full of a desire to achieve a town wincon. I enjoy your presence and think you're fun and cool on everything outside the way you're dealing with me which I can clearly see is stemming from reading my laissez faire approach to this particular game as severely in need of scrutiny due to nobody else doing so which is an entire fair and understandable thing to feel for exactly a town who cares a lot.

I’m still trying to figure out what to think of this.

[Dark Magician]

First one also seems rather unusually self-conscious considering PoD doesn't name the person he thinks is softing a role and, judging by Dark Magician's response, goes "lol forget hiding who's what he's talking about me here and I understand I need to clear myself socially"

I do.
But my roles pretty useful here, it’s best if I live Day 2.

That’s why I am trying my best to show I am town here socially.

[ikarusdk]

And guys.

My infamous 'EVERYONE IS NULL' post is a joke.

Of course I have my reads. I'm just withholding that.

[Dark Magician]

To add on:

I noticed the first quote by DM earlier in the game, but I dismissed because he can be quirky at times and it may have been a one-off accident.

Him doing the same sort of thing again, with information about how useless he supposedly is, is quite questionable. Especially if true, as it would also proclaim PoD to be a low-power role as well and be further damaging for the town. Or, at least, I am presuming roles that are uselss till later-game are less powerful. It could be the opposite, but regardless it is diminishing the lack of knowledge that wolves may have.

I’m only useless early game.
Mid and Late I am beneficial.

Shouldn’t be to difficult to figure out what role I’m softing.

[ikarusdk]

I do.
But my roles pretty useful here, it’s best if I live Day 2.

That’s why I am trying my best to show I am town here socially.

I mean... I don't think I would ever vote you on day 1 because I like PRs and want to see actions and all the chaos that follows.

[macdougall]

We could, but I don't agree with your sus on MM all that much...

idc I'll just drop it lol

[macdougall]

I do.
But my roles pretty useful here, it’s best if I live Day 2.

That’s why I am trying my best to show I am town here socially.

and here's me .... giving you that ... and space ... and you're side eyeing me.

try ... not.

[Dark Magician]

"Even though most of my role is beneficial to town it can probably easily be given to a wolf."

Seems to suggest that it's not as clear cut, frankly it's hard to say without knowing what they're actually talking about, but PoD is also guilty of softing in the same way. There's some obvious dynamic at play we're not privy to

Dude, if your wolf you have me pocketed.

You just sound so Villagery to me.

[Dark Magician]

Like the points you bring up and what you say just comes from a town mindset.

And actually I realized I might have quoted the wrong post that was a tone town hold on

[Dark Magician]

In other words you have no basis for accusing him of oversharing without actually knowing the role in question, it's not the angle PoD chose either, who has a better picture of what he's talking about.

Well it’s kinda a bit of both it was that quote and this one here.
There is no agenda behind Ultra this game, everything feels genuine from them.

[Dark Magician]

Hmm I think Ikaru is town.
They are talking about the MM/Ultra situation in a way that doesn’t feel wolf motivated.
I have also had good vibes when reading some of this slots posts previously.

[Dark Magician]

and I have a good record of scumreading when Pod is town xD so pod is probably wolf this game

Honestly I think one of the players that wolf read me is probably a wolf.

Wisp/MM/Martin/PoD.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t all town.

[Dark Magician]

can we like mason or something I think I just need someone to give my vote to cuz I can't be a one man solving machine here

Are you not confident where your vote currently is.
If I’m not mistaken you voted MM (could be remembering wrong) has your read changed on them?

[ikarusdk]

idc I'll just drop it lol

I should probably go back and see why you wanted to vote MM, but if you have some thoughts about that slot being scum, please do tell.

[Dark Magician]

I’m still conflicted on Mac.


Like the read was like a robotic analysis jotting down how and why I am Town and putting it all together.
I like the read, but I’m still uneasy about it.

I’m not as confident on Mac being a wolf anymore if that makes sense, so I am going to see how their other reads progress.

[MartinGG99]

I've basically read up to this point. Going to congregate my thoughts on people in a bit after reviewing more recent posts after my last one.

@Martin,

Doesn't really matter how you did it to me but I'll acknowledge it I guess. The main takeaway was that you were doing a fair bit of stuff in the background to post all of that in a short time-frame and I find it day 1 pass worthy. I'm skeptical of whether you wouldn't do it as wolf, and so I'm hopeful your later posts will give me a better idea on you.

@Martin

Look at the roles shown and you take a look at what I could be.

This does nothing for me. I'm not smart enough to tell what you are, assuming all claims by you are true, especially with role variations and stacking in existence (I myself being some variation/stack, as my first post heavily implies and I really doubt people could guess exactly what I am). Fact you think it is obvious is worrisome.

I do.
But my roles pretty useful here, it’s best if I live Day 2.

That’s why I am trying my best to show I am town here socially.

To be fair, you have been posting a lot with a fair amount of text in like all of them (#2 top poster for awhile, I think). So much so that I've probably skimmed a mild portion of your posts. Its for that reason I might switch to someone else by EoD1 and give you the chance to do whatever (for anyone unaware, I tend to have a straight policy against chopping high-posters d1 even if I don't like them). Aside from that, I don't really see you living through the entirety of this game if I had to determine who I would take to the grave with me as town and never vote out and see no significant possibility of you achieving that. I'm admittedly hesitant to town-read you on most posts because you are a quirky player at times (making "wolves wont do X" reads useless, something I'm sometimes a fan of) and furthermore once or twice you have fooled me when you were a wolf, including a time where I was hard-shielding you. Its also been quite the amount of time since we've last played.

Maybe what should be best is that I read your whole ISO more thoroughly while night 1 occurs and decide from there.

[macdougall]

Are you not confident where your vote currently is.
If I’m not mistaken you voted MM (could be remembering wrong) has your read changed on them?

I am not as confident as I am that I am that this game requires more alignment within the town

[MartinGG99]

Ordered alphabetically. All of these are subject to re-eval in the future, only a select few I don't see myself re-evaluating any time soon (hence the sort of good or meh book structure to emphasize that).

good books (books I have some or significant trust in; both townleans and townreads)
Kuti
Lolde
MM
PoD
Ultra
Wisp* seems like Kuti + Wisp has shipped as towncore and atm I'm inclined to trust, individually though don't have much of an impression on wisp

meh books (books I've not really had any trust in; none are really scum-reads but may be scum-leans)
Achro
Arrow
Banana
DM
Ikarus* in the very awkward state of between meh book and good book; d1 pass as I've mentioned
Mac
Stellaria

[MartinGG99]

I should clarify when I say "town core", I'm being very loose with that definition and doesn't imply heavy consensus town-read.

[MartinGG99]

I'm gonna take a break now, do some stuff, and probably check back in like 2 hours before I head to sleep or something like that. Unlike Saturday, after my sleep, I will have a fair amount of time to be in the game before EoD hits.

[TheBananaBaroness]

I was getting to hate your guts but somehow you grew on me

The circle of life continues

[TheBananaBaroness]

What's all this hydra business about

So you know how Mary lied to Joseph about how Jesus was conceived and how one lie led to another and all of a sudden the crusades happened? Yeah this is kinda like that lmao

[TheBananaBaroness]

banana is apparently multiple ppl or something and the person who just posted was a bit fun and quirky and the game reacted like we needed to hurt something beautiful and unique as per the humanity playbook

Aw! ^)O.O)^

[TheBananaBaroness]

So much setup talk. In a game where we don't know squat yet.

Setup spec is scummy (especially day 1) and I'll die on this hill.

-vote MartinGG9

[TheBananaBaroness]

-vote MartinGG99

[TheBananaBaroness]

All this talk about mallow and I still haven't read one of his posts yet. What time is it in France rn

[ikarusdk]

So much setup talk. In a game where we don't know squat yet.

Setup spec is scummy (especially day 1) and I'll die on this hill.

-vote MartinGG9

As opposed to having no real participation to the game?

I disagree with set up speculation being scummy on day 1. If it is written in a way that is scummy then yes. But you are speaking about generic speculation being scummy.

I think I'll break my streak here.

I don't really like banana's empty posts

-vote TheBananaBaroness

[ikarusdk]

-vote MartinGG99

All this talk about mallow and I still haven't read one of his posts yet. What time is it in France rn

wait, what? We are past the joking stage of the game, yes?

[TheBananaBaroness]

wait, what? We are past the joking stage of the game, yes?

Every stage of the game is the joking stage

Sadly, this is not one of them lol. I haven't read pages 2-8ish. I've mostly tried to skim and keep up with the rest.

[TheBananaBaroness]

If anyone else wants to join me on this hill you're welcome to

Setup spec day 1 is just a silly way to make it seem like you're contributing to something but it's all empty and literally contributes to nothing and clutters the thread that could instead have fun shit posts.

Fight me Buddhists

[Loldebite]

All this talk about mallow and I still haven't read one of his posts yet. What time is it in France rn

it is now 9:27

[TheBananaBaroness]

it is now 9:27

Oooo maybe he'll be along before I fall asleep

Doubt it tho

[ikarusdk]

Every stage of the game is the joking stage

Sadly, this is not one of them lol. I haven't read pages 2-8ish. I've mostly tried to skim and keep up with the rest.

riiiight. So is your vote based on the up to date information or page 1? To be fair, all of us speculated the set up so I am not sure if your vote on martin is serious or not.

[Loldebite]

As opposed to having no real participation to the game?

I disagree with set up speculation being scummy on day 1. If it is written in a way that is scummy then yes. But you are speaking about generic speculation being scummy.

I think I'll break my streak here.

I don't really like banana's empty posts

-vote TheBananaBaroness

In general, sure, but in this kind of setup speculation is pretty much meaningless, thus a way to look solvy without actually doing anything. There are valid arguments for seeing generic speculation in this setup as scummy IMO.

wait, what? We are past the joking stage of the game, yes?

It seems you, sir, have not understood who you're talking to.

[TheBananaBaroness]

All y'all circle jerk all day long with walls of setup spec while I'm mixing cocktails for the partner and hanging out in the pool with my kids and then wonder why I haven't read the game