S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger

[JealousTL]

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Lying pretty low there, not prodding people or scum hunting.

Although I'd normally jump at the chance to get rid of Yukitaka Oni regardless of alignment, I can't help but feel that your build order of "1. See poster 2. Make 1 sentence comment condemning post 3. Vote poster," has completely diluted any value any of your votes and they will gain no traction so there is no point u_u;

[JealousTL]

yo mesk get in here we gots a serial killer slip

:/ That was my first impression too but I realized that language barrier + not enough forethought on Yuki's part is more likely since they clearly mean you will join Quick as a dead scum, and not as a person killed intentionally/unintentionally by Yuki nor as a scum that can control who dies or not.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I'm impressed how people jump from Jealous train to Unknown and then relax. It's make me feel like Mafia just glad to bussed someone else

[deathworlds]

:/ That was my first impression too but I realized that language barrier + not enough forethought on Yuki's part is more likely since they clearly mean you will join Quick as a dead scum, and not as a person killed intentionally/unintentionally by Yuki nor as a scum that can control who dies or not.

Well that's impossible because I'm town.

Yuki is capable of more cognitive thought than you think, do not underestimate Yuki.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Well that's impossible because I'm town.

Yuki is capable of more cognitive thought than you think, do not underestimate Yuki.

You had a chance to attack me, but you failed. Good try, but too bad the spreading vote game is over

[deathworlds]

You had a chance to attack me, but you failed. Good try, but too bad the spreading vote game is over

Condescending tone is a sign of superiority, which is a result of information.

Serial Killers have more information than the town.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Condescending tone is a sign of superiority, which is a result of information.

Serial Killers have more information than the town.

Serial Killer know who's godfather?
Serial Killer know who's town?
Serial Killer know people's role?
Yeah sure. Good logic

[JealousTL]

Well that's impossible because I'm town.

Yuki is capable of more cognitive thought than you think, do not underestimate Yuki.

It doesn't matter if a person is a genius if they are mute. Similarly, it doesn't matter how good Yuki's ideas are if they consistently don't share them, share them through a filter of garbled English, or dilute them with shitposts in between. Having a good argument is only part of the equation, the other and I would say equally important part is how you present said argument. As the adage goes, "it's not what you say but how you say it."

[deathworlds]

Serial Killer know who's godfather?
Serial Killer know who's town?
Serial Killer know people's role?
Yeah sure. Good logic

Serial Killer knows if they were roleblocked / who they killed.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Condescending tone is a sign of superiority, which is a result of information.

Serial Killers have more information than the town.

Well go ahead, cry for my lynch train (if you can)

[Yukitaka Oni]

Serial Killer knows if they were roleblocked / who they killed.

I can wait for my lynch train until the next good old day 9/11

[JealousTL]

*sigh* =__= That's just poor taste.

I will finish my associations tomorrow after my presentation, too beat. Good night everyone.

[JealousTL]

Also, @Stereo , I think you messed up somewhere and voted for Mesk when you were clearly doubting why anyone would vote Mesk not too long ago. Just a "heads up."

[Yukitaka Oni]

*sigh* =__= That's just poor taste.

I will finish my associations tomorrow after my presentation, too beat. Good night everyone.

Just don't die while sleeping, the ghost of Stalingard is still haunting the living.

[Stereo]

Also, @Stereo , I think you messed up somewhere and voted for Mesk when you were clearly doubting why anyone would vote Mesk not too long ago. Just a "heads up."

I never saw my vote leave Unknown.

[RLVG]

Can Witch control Vigilante to kill someone night 1?

Yes.

@RLVG -- If multiple escorts/consorts role-block the serial killer, will they all die?

Yes.

Can Vigilante kill Night 1 without the assistance of a Witch?

No.

[RLVG]

Will send a warning to Eggy while replacing out Dezkai.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Bingo, serial killer instead of witch.

[RLVG]

replacing out Dezkai.

I've asked MattZed and he can join in at any time.
I'll edit the player lists if/when he confirms publicly.

[JealousTL]

Bingo, serial killer instead of witch.

Huh? To my surprise, RLVG just confirmed that Vigilante + Witch is possible.

Although, I admit that it is highly unlikely.

@RLVG - Can a regular mafia and a mafia controlled by the Witch both kill on the same night?

[RLVG]

Huh? To my surprise, RLVG just confirmed that Vigilante + Witch is possible.

Although, I admit that it is highly unlikely.

@RLVG - Can a regular mafia and a mafia controlled by the Witch both kill on the same night?

A Witch may control the one who has the Factional Kill of the Mafia, but can't force the factional kill if that member of the mafia isn't doing the kill.
Mafia has a maximum of 1 attack (Factional Kill).

[Yukitaka Oni]

Jealous expecting to defend the serial killer doesn't exist after the fact he sorry me for being dumb?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Jealous expecting to defend the serial killer doesn't exist after the fact he sorry me for being dumb?

Something tells me Calix want to lynch Jealous for being dumb like Drizzt lol

[JealousTL]

Something tells me Calix want to lynch Jealous for being dumb like Drizzt lol

I don't care about who said what anymore, I'm just trying to explore all possibilities, just like the first time. I even said it was highly unlikely. It just goes to show that I wasn't entirely wrong the first time, but the apology stands because I judged you off a false premise.

Anyway, you play the whole game as "What would Calix do?" Is that how you stay null, having no discernable voice or value of your own?

[Yukitaka Oni]

I don't care about who said what anymore, I'm just trying to explore all possibilities, just like the first time. I even said it was highly unlikely. It just goes to show that I wasn't entirely wrong the first time, but the apology stands because I judged you off a false premise.

Anyway, you play the whole game as "What would Calix do?" Is that how you stay null, having no discernable voice or value of your own?

I am a lone wolf, I always have a plan for myself. Beside, who am I going to trust anyway? (Most people in here claim they're town- anyone can claim that dude)
So basically, trust no one.

[JealousTL]

I am a lone wolf, I always have a plan for myself. Beside, who am I going to trust anyway? (Most people in here claim they're town- anyone can claim that dude)
So basically, trust no one.

You trust people that make sense to you, that don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda. You going through what is essentially a team game as a null lonewolf who shitposts or doesn't contribute the majority of the time and gets free day passes for being completely unremarkable is not a town-winning strategy. What are your reads?

[Yukitaka Oni]

You trust people that make sense to you, that don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda. You going through what is essentially a team game as a null lonewolf who shitposts or doesn't contribute the majority of the time and gets free day passes for being completely unremarkable is not a town-winning strategy. What are your reads?

Mesk-stereo (team 1)
Deathworld-secondlynch (team 2)
I wouldn't mind saying scum is hiding in both team
But I'm pretty sure the serial killer is (some-what-like-me) try to check anyone else like me who's trying to avoid heat conversation. Of course just like deathworld said serial killer do hold the information about who he's going to kill, but that's also mean the serial killer aim for the medium-low contributor (doctor/bodyguard always aim for the highest contribute guy)

[Yukitaka Oni]

You trust people that make sense to you, that don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda. You going through what is essentially a team game as a null lonewolf who shitposts or doesn't contribute the majority of the time and gets free day passes for being completely unremarkable is not a town-winning strategy. What are your reads?

And by the way, nobody make sense to me.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Last time I looked at this post, I skipped it because I was low on time and so i only covered the bottom conclusion. That being said, I really did not like the conclusion and so I feel that I want to take a closer look at his wall post.

He opens with his read on Stereo saying "I was once a newb town, so I assume he is a newb town too". How does this make sense? What if he is a newb scum. I am already starting to feel as if he is being nice to avoid being lynched. He says that he likes my point, but then uses words such as "could be manipulative" and "we'll see" which seems off to me. The next point is almost the exact same thing Quick said, so is taking words from others and passing it as his own. (Or having nothing new of value to add which isnt any better)

The next few reads open with "Not doing much" which then again feels as if he is being too nice. Getting a neutral vibe from this, but not discounting scum at all. He then reaches the conclusion that Yuki only shit posts and that NU's analysis about Yuki possibly being jester is good. He still needs to bring up how he likes how someone said this about someone, but adds nothing to it.

This next read holds nothing. He says one compliment about him saying Calix is overly aggressive, which is lacking because that is how Calix plays on a normal basis. Also agrees with the comparison of Yuki and Gyrlander, but then adds nothing else.

He basically says he doesnt agree with Mesk which does nothing. Nothing.

Interesting to view that he likes the Quick read. To me, this is interesting because he never states Quick is scum, but instead brings up positive and negative points that end in "feel like hes bussing with Yuki" which is a weird comparison to make. Still uses word play like "Not sure" to reinforce the point that he isn't trying to make a solid choice on a side, however says that Calix is too confident with her read on Drizzt but VOTES HIM AND AGREES WITH HER LATER.

He then says it's weird that I picked Quick over SecondLynch in a argument that he didn't even comment on. This feels like way too many loose ends which really keeps drawing me back to the neutral conclusion. I wouldnt be surprised if Jealous killed his scum-read Quick to lower the mafia numbers, or said he was suspicious of Quick but never followed up on it. Overall, the read on me feels like buddying too much as he says "i don't agree with this, but his points are reasonable" and leaves it there.

Interesting read on SecondLynch. I want to point out the specific part about the investigator finding a Survivor/Jester, and only mentions these two. Seems unusual knowing we have a Serial Killer and that he didn't even bother to consider it. Also says that Scum is our focus not the neutrals. That being said, he starts off positive with SL and then later flips because of one post from SL. Also doesn't make a ton of sense in his investigative talk, and that scum is his only focus.

very neutral read on deathworlds. All he says is that he likes how deathworlds is against shit posting, but then doesnt even care how deathworlds has only done setup spec this far in. Even then, does not comment on what Deathworlds has actually done and instead says that he agrees with how he views Yuki.

I don't get where he is going with his points here, or how they make sense. He comments that the counter vote is not genuine in his opinion and makes a weird point about revenge voting. Then makes a conclusion out of nowhere saying that Yuki and Quick could be bussing one another, which feels weird because I didn't see those two arguing a terrible amount.

Drizzt read contradicts what he says/said. Says that he is to scummy to be scum, but now doesnt know what to think when Drizzt claims Citizen. He then says that Drizzt is border-line-game-throwing even though this guy is a newb. Which to me, even though he slips in a jester point in the next line feels as if he knows Drizzt isn't really jester. Possibly because hes neutral. Otherwise, I don't like this analysis.

There is nothing to use about what he said on Eggy to create any discussion. It doesn't make any conclusion whatsoever on Eggy other then he "insinuates" and "cant blame him for being converted".

Conclusion from reading this: I see this as a very low chance of being town. Highly convinced this is a neutral, but given how he never makes a strong conclusion on Quick it could just be bussing between them. He is way too friendly, never comments further on points and just uses others ideas to bounce around seeming useful. Reading this wall post, he rarely says anything that is considered scum-hunting and more nonsense going back and forth. There is almost no conclusions, so you cannot even tell who he thinks is scum or town to begin with.

-vote JealousTL

I'll be back.

Voting JealousTL because he seemed very eager to disprove the existence of serial killer.

-vote JealousTL

basically just picked up any random quick quote.

based on my FM experience, it's good to go back and read reads lists from dead scum.

I don't think JTL is scum. He's certainly not a neutral, and if he's a mafia he's not a killer.

Eggy has been afkish, imma mark him as a cit cause eggy doesn't give two fucks about these games when he's a cit. i would expect more from him if he were a TPR and if he were scum he'd be working real hard right now cause he wants to win the ladder.

Gyrlander is a shit poster with some sort of substance, so imma mark him as town or a neut, but not mafia

stereo is noob town

yuki is neut or town

I'm thinking mafia is between Unknown, DW and SL. most probably 2/3 are scum.

right now I'm leaning more towards DW.

I didn't like his d1 content really. it was mostly just sheeping with snorlax and setup speculation.

-vote DeathWorlds

seeing DW's vote on JTL makes me suspect him even more as scum

@Mesk514 I am literally the one who pushed Quick the hardest. Unless you think this was a ploy and it was SvS, I am mechanically confirmed NOT scum. I do agree that DW is very likely scum and that...

Unknown is scum.

-vote Unknown1234

-vote Yukitaka Oni

Lying pretty low there, not prodding people or scum hunting.

You trust people that make sense to you, that don't seem to be pushing a scum agenda. You going through what is essentially a team game as a null lonewolf who shitposts or doesn't contribute the majority of the time and gets free day passes for being completely unremarkable is not a town-winning strategy. What are your reads?

You gonna love looking at the vote....especially Deathworld
- The man who jump the vote like a miniac

[MattZed]

@RLVG , I publicly confirm I'm in.

And on that note, I'll be back later tonight!

[Yukitaka Oni]

@RLVG , I publicly confirm I'm in.

And on that note, I'll be back later tonight!

Be fast bro

[Yukitaka Oni]

That'd be 2 TPR so far, out of a confirmed four.

Snorlax/Calix is dead (investigatior) and no one else claim TPR
- deathworld trying to say that he's the 2 TPR?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Hm....leak little bit much information....

[Yukitaka Oni]

I read them all, responded to most. You still say that I haven't answered your points on JTL when I have. I've asked you to quote which one I hadn't addressed and you failed to do it -- I responded to 'em all.

"u less you know I'm not scum or you aren't town." Nice job throwing sahde AGAIN. You make no conclusion out of this, it is clear that it is an attempt to make me look bad.



I've said it, and you responded to it. tl;dr -- only fluff posts and setup spec posts + one liners to justify votes on JTL, Yuki, Mesk, Drizzt (All the comments he made on players).



No, you don't know better. You fucking live in A Brave New World.



Do I? No, I don't or else you would have pointed it out.

Yes, it's a scum tell. That's what you and Titus did the whole game in GoT. It's not even arguable.



Misrep -- I said that I do not specifically neutral hunt because it is pretty obvious that we are dealing with a SK. Reading and SK is different from reading Exec/Jester/Surv, and similar to reading Scum because they have the same intentions. I include both scum and SK in 'scum-read'. Only mafia would have a specific "Neutral" read.

I literally just said that I read people individually.



Oh yeah? What has he said?



I do not know, it goes into the category of WIFOM (ie he would want you to think that he is town for voting Mesk) just like Quick's vote (White-knight-chainsaw to appear town).



No, it was clearly not to lynch Calix but rather not to be on Drizzt's train whom he knew was town. A white-knight chainsaw to look town.



You rarely even use it. I use it all the time, and I use it correctly.

When has a game with you ever been fun? You're always sulking, being over-emotional and misrepresenting everyone.

What in the fuck?!?!? I didn't even see Never Unlucky post a single post in day 1

[JealousTL]

Yukitaka, if you were reading closely, you'd see that NU = SL and that this has been explicitly stated multiple times.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Explicit multiple account.....fucking confusing people....what's next? 2 account in 1 game?
This game is not a mess anymore. It's a fking bullshit....and confusing...

[Yukitaka Oni]

Fking smurf....

[SecondLynch]

Well that's impossible because I'm town.

Yuki is capable of more cognitive thought than you think, do not underestimate Yuki.

I am still waiting for you reads. There's no way you are still eating dinner.

Mesk-stereo (team 1)
Deathworld-secondlynch (team 2)
I wouldn't mind saying scum is hiding in both team
But I'm pretty sure the serial killer is (some-what-like-me) try to check anyone else like me who's trying to avoid heat conversation. Of course just like deathworld said serial killer do hold the information about who he's going to kill, but that's also mean the serial killer aim for the medium-low contributor (doctor/bodyguard always aim for the highest contribute guy)

I do not see how somebody could think we are in a team with DW.

What in the fuck?!?!? I didn't even see Never Unlucky post a single post in day 1

My bad. I accidentally made three posts from my main account.

FYI, it's a *****, not a smurf.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I am still waiting for you reads. There's no way you are still eating dinner.

I do not see how somebody could think we are in a team with DW.


My bad. I accidentally made three posts from my main account.

FYI, it's a *****, not a smurf.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Woooo!! This finally started

I don't remember a Pokemon appart from Char Chat the Charmeleon signing up for this game.

Do you like spelling *****? Does it feel reconfortating fighting against the rules made by Crypt or what?

EXCUSE ME. ***** IS CORRECTED?

We still haven't gone through page 1 and you already want me to do something productive? Damn.

-vote Mesk514

Always wanted to do this.

Nah. I just did a random vote. We're still at that stage... right?

It's only 22:00 there, come on.

It's funny how in every games the new players are automatically catalogued as Town. It happens in EVERY game.

Drittz and Stereo, welcome to the world of the Unlynchable.

I like how you mention JUST me and not anyone else that has done as much as me, or less. Very interesting. Trying to follow the typical "omg Gyrlander is such a non-contributive player" that anyone else blindly?

Drizzt has only posted 2 posts with one line of text and you are saying that his mindset is completely related to mafia? I think we're assumming things too fast Calix.

(or Snorlax)

I thought about voting him trying to you but I've thought that Drizzt is a person that we don't know about him or his meta (plus he's new). Also, we should wait for him to answer your argument and see if he actually has a scum mindset or not.

I'm pretty sure that after he comes to read this he will answer even if I sheep you or not.

All I'm doing is being cautious with my decisions and not get into assumptions immediately.

Who claimed Citizen appart from Drizzt?

This has got me mad.

-vote Drizzt

Oh well, secondary effects of having a Death Note.

Mesk has been missing for a while and should re-vote as, for I see, Quick is not getting lynched.

I also voted Drizzt because he said that he was going to hide because many people was attacking him and that got me fairly annoyed, but now that he's talking a lot more I don't know what to do. Maybe we're running into conclussions here.

And fuck Char Char the CharSHIT.

By the way he's talking right now and the fact that he is a "mod" player are similar to a town almost being mislynched. Therefore I conclude that he is not scum, but just a unlucky new player.

-unvote

Thanks Mafia for killing Calix and condemning the game to be 666% less active.

How the hell did nobody care about Gyrlander?

[Yukitaka Oni]

How the hell did you get elected?

[Eggy]

hey guys sorry for not being around gnna catch up then share my thoughts.

[Gyrlander]

How the hell did nobody care about Gyrlander?

Don't give me the honor to be iso'ed. *blush*

Well, from what I've read the person that pings me out is deathworlds. Weak arguments for voting.

[Gyrlander]

And, honestly, when I saw that Quick (Mafia) died, I didn't straight think of a serial killer until Yuki said it. I don't know if it is because Yuki knows more than us, the town, or he just simply reached a conclusion quickly.

[Mesk514]

And, honestly, when I saw that Quick (Mafia) died, I didn't straight think of a serial killer until Yuki said it. I don't know if it is because Yuki knows more than us, the town, or he just simply reached a conclusion quickly.

tbh, i thought of it automatically.

[Gyrlander]

Then I'm simply dumb. Nothing more to think of.

[Mesk514]

Then I'm simply dumb. Nothing more to think of.

gimme a role, c'mon.

[Mesk514]

gimme a role, c'mon.

i see you online, there should be no delay you scrub.

[Yukitaka Oni]

And, honestly, when I saw that Quick (Mafia) died, I didn't straight think of a serial killer until Yuki said it. I don't know if it is because Yuki knows more than us, the town, or he just simply reached a conclusion quickly.

[Mesk514]

honestly yuki, if you don't fuck off with the pictures you and i are going to have a problem.