S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[Arrow]

Kuti sadly does not give out gifts.

Given he's claimed gift giver, how would you know?

[Arrow]

Do we know exactly how many mafia there are in this game?

Standard setup for a 14 person game in the mod is 8 town to 3 mafia to 3 neutrals. That's generally fairly balanced.

[Loldebite]

Deb voted me and checked out; and I'm not really sure what he was trying to accomplish other than a possible miselim. If he was pressuring me, he'd need to stick around to get the response.

just parking a vote on my top suspect before going to sleep. I considered voting mac to protect banana or voting achro but yeeting the neutral felt like it'd yield little information and mac did convince me he was a bad lynch to, and I had to go to sleep so I had to pick someone or go voteless. I learned the hard way that not voting is, in fact, not an option so you got it. That's basically it.

btw PoE = path of elimination (no, not that hack & slash)

[Arrow]

A jester wins the game if they are chopped
Kuti played like someone who did not want to be a chopped at all
How is Kuti a jester?

Nah, he spent a good portion of early D1 saying he wanted to die, because he had RL commitments. I disagree.

[Arrow]

Kuti has been largely been lacking in wanting to solve. Kuti's votes were all over the place, but most of them were on banana.
Arrow has been mostly absent in the game and I don't think he was present in EoD to vote?
W!MM might not have killed Ultra given how killing ultra auto points fingers at MM. Although MM was not tunneling on Ultra so I don't think he wanted to kill him.

Martin dying is what is puzzling to me.
I would've definitely killed T!Dark because he wasn't gonna get yeeted yesterday.
Maybe they knew Dark might receive protection? Idk.

I was present, but I didn't find the evidence against Banana convincing.

[Arrow]

Soooo much focus from Arrow on claims and trying to figure out exact roles while giving LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE lol (look at his very short ISO). I know he's rusty, but he still has Mafia in mind and did play FM in the past, so this feels pretty hard to forgive.

Lynching Arrow over Banana would have been such a good move in hindsight.

Yeah, and I was just as useless then. I'm just not a good FM player.

[Arrow]

Oh sorry, correction: I don't care, but town should.

Once again, this assumes the mediums are both town. If one is scum it falls apart.

[Wiisp]

This is not jester player

[Arrow]

OK, caught up...just in time for me to get to work. I'll scan over the course of the day as I can and be back tonight.

[Wiisp]

This is not jester play is what I mean, they were trying to gy. Et people tk not vote them

[Loldebite]

Yeah I agree with wisp there, I don't think any jester actually goes "guys pwease vOwOte me" D1

[Loldebite]

And like that's not what kuti's done IMO but that's your argument for why he's jester so

[Achro]

Given he's claimed gift giver, how would you know?

Don't see any gifts do you?

[Wiisp]

Don't see any gifts do you?

I guess? But also why even claim something conformable if that was the case?

[Dark Magician]

LOL I don't know if that's actually true, but I will certainly have zero qualms doing this

-vote Dark Magician

I guess Wisp can wait.

As for Kuti, perhaps I should ISO them further just to make sure? My townread on them is pretty much just based on two things: no red flags + the "tell me your favorite holiday or I can't do anything aaaa it's not that complicated!!!!!" post (already mentioned this, already know Wisp disagrees, already said I will not be stopped from townreading kuti for it :P), which is not TERRIBLY STRONG anyway

You guys know if dk is a wolf that carol means nothing right?
PoD pointed this out.

[Dark Magician]

Look, if Kuti isn't a wolf I have no problem marking within those silly mediums

But I also have mech info that kuti lied about their role of giving things so, you know

feel good about my choice~

If PoD is town that’s what wolves want you to do.

[Dark Magician]

Plus I can have Martin tell you guys the clear tonight.

And I hope they get me so you can all start begging for your lives and for whoever has pushed me this game I’ll make you regret trying to do so.

[Loldebite]

If PoD is town that’s what wolves want you to do.

I don't see anyone seriously considering getting either of you mediums on the chopping block today, so what's wrong with preparing for a green kuti flip ?
Inversely, if kuti flips green AND you believe all mediums are town, then who's scum ? I guess you think ika is among those, but who'd be with them ?

[Loldebite]

And also, why do you TR PoD again ? no snark I legit forgot

[Loldebite]

I don't see anyone seriously considering getting either of you mediums on the chopping block today, so what's wrong with preparing for a green kuti flip ?
Inversely, if kuti flips green AND you believe all mediums are town, then who's scum ? I guess you think ika is among those, but who'd be with them ?

Ah I had forgotten MM... Still, I don't get why you're getting that defensive

[Wiisp]

Dk has some emotional reactions that I think are hard to fake and if the carousel is fake it's more like fake as town rather than wolf, though I still dislike a few one of their posts. I think everything on this page was pretty townie, so I'm not worried about them

And all 3 of the carousel peeps have some kind of wolf equity

[Wiisp]

Plus I can have Martin tell you guys the clear tonight.

And I hope they get me so you can all start begging for your lives and for whoever has pushed me this game I’ll make you regret trying to do so.

What

[ikarusdk]

Maybe I should ask for clarification

How do mediums work here? Can they speak with the dead every night? Or are they assigned odd and even nights?

[Loldebite]

Maybe I should ask for clarification

How do mediums work here? Can they speak with the dead every night? Or are they assigned odd and even nights?

From what I understood they all have like 50 layers of complexity added on top, so probably none of them can speak every night and all of them probably have some kind of restriction. I admit I've been too lazy to study banana's flip in detail so I haven't cross-validated DM's claim nor used that to speculate more about PoD's role.

[ikarusdk]

Are you suggesting he's a wolf? I can't see his claim making sense from a Town perspective given how the town will generally eliminate Neutrals absent scum targets.

It is not that i am suggesting achro is a wolf. I was merely noting that even if we don't think achro is town, we are choosing to treat him as neutral, not possible wolf.

I think we don't wanna go there yet because we find others more scummy. Achro hasn't shown any anti town agenda at least fmpov

[ikarusdk]

Are you suggesting he's a wolf? I can't see his claim making sense from a Town perspective given how the town will generally eliminate Neutrals absent scum targets.

From what I understood they all have like 50 layers of complexity added on top, so probably none of them can speak every night and all of them probably have some kind of restriction. I admit I've been too lazy to study banana's flip in detail so I haven't cross-validated DM's claim nor used that to speculate more about PoD's role.

Perhaps Dark and PoD can clarify it for me.

[ikarusdk]

Ehh why did it quote arrows post

[powerofdeath]

POD was talking to Stellaria about how a bunch of us were in his POE because Banana was 'an obvious PR' (because he slipped the role 'Ghost of Banana past') and we yeeted him. He was arguing that banana was an obvious PR as if we should've trusted his claim after all. Both Stellaria and I argued how we could've known and TRUSTED his claim especially when I don't know how banana plays (dont know about stellaria), and banana's trolling on day 1 made it just hard to know what is the truth and what is not? Perhaps players here who knows banana knows better, but I simply don't. That is why I did not trust the claim of a troll - as PoD describes. If that makes me the worst town player, then so be it.

And this is coming from a post flip discussion. NOBODY tried to actively advocate the votes away from Banana during EoD. Hindsight is 20/20 and anyone can be the best player in the game if they argue how they were right after someone flipped.

What the fuck? I was actively trying to protect Banana, campaigned to get people to safely yeet the neutral to save banana and mac, and had to vote mac cuz nobody was biting. You were like nah im staying

[powerofdeath]

Maybe I should ask for clarification

How do mediums work here? Can they speak with the dead every night? Or are they assigned odd and even nights?

I make someone else a medium for the night. Even if wolf kill me same night, someone else will still relay info from martin. I can only do it on even nights.

[powerofdeath]

ok im caught up, no posts from kuti… guess we wait

[Dark Magician]

Maybe I should ask for clarification

How do mediums work here? Can they speak with the dead every night? Or are they assigned odd and even nights?

PoD is Even Night, Banana was Odd Night Giver and I am always in there at night. I am Frostmiser or whatever it’s called where whoever they choose would become Heatmiser.

I am always there at night and I can show post from dead as confirmed.
I only have 1 shot left of which I’ll be using on Martin.


Also to respond to Bite, I’ve given my PoE.

[Loldebite]

PoD is Even Night, Banana was Odd Night Giver and I am always in there at night. I am Frostmiser or whatever it’s called where whoever they choose would become Heatmiser.

I am always there at night and I can show post from dead as confirmed.
I only have 1 shot left of which I’ll be using on Martin.


Also to respond to Bite, I’ve given my PoE.

And a red ika flip doesn't change it at all ? I'm asking because that's not what I assumed. If so, what'd you do if ika flips green ?

[Ultra]

What the fuck? I was actively trying to protect Banana, campaigned to get people to safely yeet the neutral to save banana and mac, and had to vote mac cuz nobody was biting. You were like nah im staying

That's what I'm saying. This "I had no choice AIEEEE!" feels off. Carloer list doesn't feel too objectionable though. Think Kuti has just thrown in the towel

[Kutiplz]

Hi I'm not a wolf but I accept myself being flipped for game forwarding reasons. Don't have time or energy to play so yeet away. Bye.

[Kutiplz]

I wanted to eat the d1/n1 because I only had time for day 1 in the game and only agreed to play for wisp and Lumi.

[Kutiplz]

So have fun. Achro congrats on 1/2 of your wincon.

[Loldebite]

Well that's...
something
I guess

[Wiisp]

I mean I knew this was coming
Anyways

-vote dark magician

[Achro]

We 100% should not be killing a medium today with Martin's peek being a thing.

[Achro]

Let's just finish kuti and if they are indeed town we go from there knowing one of dm/mm is very likely a wolf

[Achro]

So have fun. Achro congrats on 1/2 of your wincon.

Good luck in champs knock em dead @Kutiplz

[Wiisp]

Let's just finish kuti and if they are indeed town we go from there knowing one of dm/mm is very likely a wolf

Ya I'm just placing my vote, sabi should just die today and very likely will

DMs posts still hella ping me I'm not sure how much I care about their claim since I already think their claim post was wolfy as he'll and kuti flipping wolf wouldn't change that either

Meh

[Stellaria]

We've basically established Kuti is Jester, haven't we? Why would we bother voting them?

Caroler does not promise they're a wolf, just that they're Not Town.

Theoretically, if Kuti is a Jester, then that alone would satisfy the carol, meaning it's possible that the other two are town. Given that we don't really want to kill the two mediums, it makes sense not to kill Dark Magician right now.


I'm gonna have to look into Marshall. I don't remember anything he's done besides tell me to ask Frinckles about the hydra thing. But perhaps that's on me

[powerofdeath]

We 100% should not be killing a medium today with Martin's peek being a thing.

I agree with this, resolve DM slot tmrw

[Stellaria]

I didn't see anything in Marshmallow Marshall's ISO that I actually liked.

And calling me Stellaris was not cute, dude. Seriously, not cool.

[Stellaria]

How you gonna say that pushing Banana over Arrow was the better play Day 1 and not have any actions or words back that up? The dude is all macaroni and no cheese. Smh

[Stellaria]

by "the dude" I meant MM

[Stellaria]

wisp where's your head on the three carolees?

[Wiisp]

wisp where's your head on the three carolees?

Claimwise I like kuti, I don't like DMs claim, nor their handling of pressure, the way they have talked to people, nor there vote on DK it bothers for a different reason depending on what world we are in

I actually still kinda dislike DK, but they have some super pure posts

I'd probably say there is always a wolf in dk/dm

Idk how I feel about MM, I don't like their vote on me, I guess I could understand why someone thinks me not caring between banana and Mac is wolfy buts nots really, since I was clear I didn't care, and even had paranoia on Mac flipping town. Just not sure how u read my eod and think I have some kind of agenda

I also don't think MM has anything going for them either. Their votes imo have been super opportunistic, and really hate their vote swap from me onto kuti, I think if anyone is trying to actually push an agenda it's them.

If kuti didn't want to die, I'd always vote in MM or DM over them

[Wiisp]

I have no clue how to feel about Arrow constantly called kuti a jester, that's the most notable thing in their iso, and its not townke whatsoever