S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[ikarusdk]

At this rate I'm, probably not gonna see the game result before I sleep

[ikarusdk]

my day 1 or 2 hero solve

Stellaria/Wiisp/Arrow - i must pat myself on the back. hehe

[Stellaria]

You began today and said it is probably Wiisp and it is over.

Then your view changed when I started babbling about why was MM killed and started comparing your pov and Wiisp pov over MM's death.

I believe that scum Stellaria would have a much higher chance bringing me to f3 against Wiisp than MM, since we were towncoring each other all game, and up until yesterday I had Wiisp on my chopping prio. So you probably knew that I'd still tunnel on Wiisp, especially after my groggy post.

I don't think you could've holstered. If you holstered, today would've been MM, Stellaria and Ika all lynching Wiisp. Then the next day would mean you will have to risk having me as kingmaker between MM and you, but I mechanically (well not actual mech) solved why MM cannot be anything other than town a couple of times so you couldn't risk that.

> You began today and said it is probably Wiisp and it is over.

pretty much, that was my worldview at the time and it still feels a little more "right" to me

> Then your view changed when I started babbling about why was MM killed and started comparing your pov and Wiisp pov over MM's death.

no offense dude, but no. My view did not change with you talking about MM. That entire page of blabble was from me re-reading the thread, particularly day 1, with a fine-toothed comb. The thing that really got my attention was Wisp pushing on Dark Magician and Arrow day 1 even after seeing Dark Magician's soft, and that's when I felt I completely flubbed Wisp's ISO before today. That's when I started actually reconsidering.

> I believe that scum Stellaria would have a much higher chance bringing me to f3 against Wiisp than MM, since we were towncoring each other all game, and up until yesterday I had Wiisp on my chopping prio. So you probably knew that I'd still tunnel on Wiisp, especially after my groggy post.

I won't argue that I'd be more likely to take you to f3 as scum as opposed to scum!wisp. But at this point you're pre-flipping me as scum and jumping to conclusions to say that this is what's definitively going on

> I don't think you could've holstered. If you holstered, today would've been MM, Stellaria and Ika all lynching Wiisp. Then the next day would mean you will have to risk having me as kingmaker between MM and you, but I mechanically (well not actual mech) solved why MM cannot be anything other than town a couple of times so you couldn't risk that.

Is holstering not a thing that people can do here? Also there's no tomorrow in an f4

[ikarusdk]

> You began today and said it is probably Wiisp and it is over.

pretty much, that was my worldview at the time and it still feels a little more "right" to me

> Then your view changed when I started babbling about why was MM killed and started comparing your pov and Wiisp pov over MM's death.

no offense dude, but no. My view did not change with you talking about MM. That entire page of blabble was from me re-reading the thread, particularly day 1, with a fine-toothed comb. The thing that really got my attention was Wisp pushing on Dark Magician and Arrow day 1 even after seeing Dark Magician's soft, and that's when I felt I completely flubbed Wisp's ISO before today. That's when I started actually reconsidering.

> I believe that scum Stellaria would have a much higher chance bringing me to f3 against Wiisp than MM, since we were towncoring each other all game, and up until yesterday I had Wiisp on my chopping prio. So you probably knew that I'd still tunnel on Wiisp, especially after my groggy post.

I won't argue that I'd be more likely to take you to f3 as scum as opposed to scum!wisp. But at this point you're pre-flipping me as scum and jumping to conclusions to say that this is what's definitively going on

> I don't think you could've holstered. If you holstered, today would've been MM, Stellaria and Ika all lynching Wiisp. Then the next day would mean you will have to risk having me as kingmaker between MM and you, but I mechanically (well not actual mech) solved why MM cannot be anything other than town a couple of times so you couldn't risk that.

Is holstering not a thing that people can do here? Also there's no tomorrow in an f4

Yeah I mean...this is why you are a good wolf if it ends up with you because they all make sense. And offence none taken.

I am not really pre-flipping here though. I really think it is 60/40 Stellaria/Wiisp. I am willing to risk losing but it's all upto Wiisp now.

I tried to solve the game when I was free today, and I realised that I either 1. continue lynching wiisp based on what I was feeling about the player all game, despite their increasing townnes towards the end, or 2. I lynch you here because I feel you had to kill MM last night over me given the circumstances thus far between Wiisp v Ika, whereas Wiisp had little reason to kill MM. Had Stellaria died (from my pov, of course you couldn't die from your pov), I would've continued death tunneling on Wiisp. This all of course, goes against how I felt about you all game.

Yeah you can definitely holster, but I dont think you could've afforded it. Ika+Stellaria vs Wiisp is easier than Ika or MM+Stellaria vs Ika or MM.

[ikarusdk]

I personally think that you meant to bring me to f3 as your vote against the last player.

But I think this changed because you saw that I started to sway away from Wiisp, so you had to act.

[Stellaria]

You also have fully embraced a thunderdome, I see. You're tired, or so you say, but you couldn't help yourself but to leave a vote on me before you went to bed.

[ikarusdk]

You also have fully embraced a thunderdome, I see. You're tired, or so you say, but you couldn't help yourself but to leave a vote on me before you went to bed.

I mean, when I said I'm tired, i meant I'm tired of solving lol. Yeah i tried to solve today and I am now ready for a full on thunderdome. May the more handsome win.

[Stellaria]

I mean, when I said I'm tired, i meant I'm tired of solving lol. Yeah i tried to solve today and I am now ready for a full on thunderdome. May the more handsome win.

man you're not gonna win like that xD by not responding to anything I had to say in my thoughts last page

[ikarusdk]

man you're not gonna win like that xD by not responding to anything I had to say in my thoughts last page

True. I guess at this point you deserve to be heard and its the least I could do.

[Stellaria]

Feel free to point out if I read the game wrong but I was under the impression that you (Ikarus), MM, and I were pretty much all on the same page until today. My feelings on yesterday were that it was definitely either Mac or Wisp, and if it wasn't either of them, then it would've been MM after everything. But I wasn't getting sus vibes from MM anymore

[ikarusdk]

Feel free to point out if I read the game wrong but I was under the impression that you (Ikarus), MM, and I were pretty much all on the same page until today. My feelings on yesterday were that it was definitely either Mac or Wisp, and if it wasn't either of them, then it would've been MM after everything. But I wasn't getting sus vibes from MM anymore

Yeah that is exactly how I felt. Your worldview aligned with mine perfectly all game.

[Stellaria]

Yeah that is exactly how I felt. Your worldview aligned with mine perfectly all game.

I felt good about you because I felt like we were coming to the same conclusions about players separately from each other.

[ikarusdk]

Hence why I am feeling regrettable I'm voting you but I think I was simply wrong about Wiisp prior to today.

[ikarusdk]

@Wiisp some intersting things happening here. Come and check out to snipe the win

[Stellaria]

yeah this thunderdome is stupid but I've been sitting here a good long while waiting for thread activity and you've still not given me a reason to stop voting for you

[Stellaria]

sorry in advance for my shit tier texting, i was on mobile

[Stellaria]

oh, and one more thing since it bothered me

there's no way in f I'm gonna plan for my teammate to play silly, I'm not even close to confident enough in myself to carry an inactive teammate + a lost wolf that's acting a fool xD

[Stellaria]

i feel like you should already know that from Chaotic Executioner

[ikarusdk]

W!Wiisp world

Who would he want to bring to f3.

Ika And MM - Ika and MM both had healthy townread each other, but at the same time they did not fully trust each other. Ika - because of what Wiisp said + carol could've definitely been faked. MM - because well, most people swaw MM this game as scummy. I am not gonna lie.

where as Stellaria was the last person both Ika and MM would worry about. He would've killed Stellaria here.



W!Stellaria world

Who would he want to bring to f3.

Ika and Wiisp - They've been acting pretty much like nemesis in this game. Ika had been tunneling on Wiisp, and Wiisp calling ika out at every opportunity. Ika even said he wasn't coming back and sat his vote for some time before changing it to Mac.

MM and Wiisp - This is also definitely doable, but MM would've seen that Wiisp killing Ika would make less sense since w!Wiisp would want to bring ika to f3, so ika must be alive.


TLDR - w!Wiisp would've killed Stellaria, whereas w!Stellaria would've prioritized having ika vs wiisp on f3, rather than mm vs wiisp.

[ikarusdk]

W!Wiisp world

Who would he want to bring to f3.

Ika And MM - Ika and MM both had healthy townread each other, but at the same time they did not fully trust each other. Ika - because of what Wiisp said + carol could've definitely been faked. MM - because well, most people swaw MM this game as scummy. I am not gonna lie.

where as Stellaria was the last person both Ika and MM would worry about. He would've killed Stellaria here.



W!Stellaria world

Who would he want to bring to f3.

Ika and Wiisp - They've been acting pretty much like nemesis in this game. Ika had been tunneling on Wiisp, and Wiisp calling ika out at every opportunity. Ika even said he wasn't coming back and sat his vote for some time before changing it to Mac.

MM and Wiisp - This is also definitely doable, but MM would've seen that Wiisp killing Ika would make less sense since w!Wiisp would want to bring ika to f3, so ika must be alive.


TLDR - w!Wiisp would've killed Stellaria, whereas w!Stellaria would've prioritized having ika vs wiisp on f3, rather than mm vs wiisp.

This versus

insisting that my read on you entire game is correct.

This is a difficult choice for me.

[ikarusdk]

Well I must sleep now.

And I guess it is wrong for me to rely on one aspect of the game to conclude the game so I'm gonna need time to look through ISOs again.

As much as thunderdome would be interesting for onlookers, I am going to make my best educated guess tomorrow.

If I arrive at the same conclusion as I do now...well then it's whoever is more handsome wins.

-unvote

[ikarusdk]

yeah. I'm just going over everything you posted rn again. I read them before and I remember nodding at teverything except when you started arriving to conclusion about me. I'll do my due diligence, dont worry.

It's just hard to comment on stuff that I already agree with, or remember happening.

You must understand Stellaria, my entire premise of voting you relies on the importance of carrying out the nk on the correct person, and what MM's death signifies.
I am highly conflicted because this goes against my world view.

It's like you feeling like you were betrayed because you trusted someone so fully, then something happens that can only be explained by the said person doing it.

[Stellaria]

okay sure, but just as Wisp is saying they don't make the kill on MM, neither do I

both you and MM were townreading me, I'd have had no reason not to holster, and I could definitely have afforded it as scum

[Stellaria]

i dont even want to believe that it's you

[Stellaria]

there's a lot of people viewing this thread right now lol, I guess it's getting intense

[ikarusdk]

there's a lot of people viewing this thread right now lol, I guess it's getting intense

Im suspecting f3 is always intense! I know I was having a blast watching f3 in the other game (i only had the pleasure of watching 1 f3)

[Stellaria]

You could argue that Wisp killed MM to get you to start considering me for the facts you mention above

[ikarusdk]

You could argue that Wisp killed MM to get you to start considering me for the facts you mention above

I mean I thought about that too, as well as the possibility that Wiisp simply just made A choice, rather than an informed and educated choice.

But at the same time, I think W!Wiisp would've realised that the game is going to be extremely hard to win anyway, so tried to bring people who he'd have more chance to win. I don't think Wiisp would be the type to just give up at this stage.

[Stellaria]

I mean, I imagine wolf!Wisp would've read the room and realized that there was no way they'd get anywhere in F3 unless some wacko kill was made

[Stellaria]

consider all the permutations of a wolf!Wisp game.

f3 - Wisp, Ikarus, MM
f3 - Wisp, Stellaria, MM
f4 - Wisp, Ikarus, Stellaria, MM

hell even f3 - Wisp, Ikarus, Stellaria has low odds for Wisp to win any thunderdome, but at the very least, it'd have give them the greatest odds at getting you off their back

[Stellaria]

You're right, I haven't gotten any sign that Wisp is intending to give up

[Stellaria]

thank you for getting your head out of your booty xD

-unvote

that's enough of a reason for me to unvote for now, good night

[ikarusdk]

thank you for getting your head out of your booty xD

-unvote

that's enough of a reason for me to unvote for now, good night

good night.

Hope we are all present tomorrow when we finish!

TBH I'd like this game to finish sooner than later because I'm itching to see if I'm right or wrong.

[Stellaria]

good night.

Hope we are all present tomorrow when we finish!

TBH I'd like this game to finish sooner than later because I'm itching to see if I'm right or wrong.

aight bet, vote wisp rn and I'll hammer


my lawyer has advised me to clarify that this is a joke

[ikarusdk]

W!Wiisp when he comes.

'FK I MISSED THE CHANCE TO SNIPE'

[Stellaria]

LOL

[Stellaria]

-vote ikarusdk

[Stellaria]

-unvote

oop you were too slow

[Stellaria]

sorry I feel like an asshole for that xDD go ahead and get some sleep

[Stellaria]

i can hear deb screaming at me from the great depths of the abyss for that joke

[Stellaria]

i guess i should go to bed too, it's already 3:44 am and I feel not great from yesterday


PS the fettucine alfredo at olive garden was mid

[Wiisp]

Nice well here is me not voting

[Wiisp]

this is why votes should be lock in lylo, what a meme

[Wiisp]

anyways that was a pretty uninformed progression from Stellar, and DK tmi'd me as town somewhere in those string of posts
so nothing has changed for me

[Wiisp]

ill do more once i get home from work, i dont particularly like doing mafia stuff in the morning

[Wiisp]

If I had woken up at anytime during the night I could have basically town locked myself

[Wiisp]

There is a post somewhere that Stellar had mine that I thought was really pure I need to find it

[Wiisp]

Back reading, it's a bit disingenuous of me to say they tmi'd me, I misread their post

The whole votes not being locked in definitely changes the dynamic of lylo, but I'm still holding my vote once I vote because I think that's the way lylo should be played

[Stellaria]

hi i just woke up

[Stellaria]

the gang's all here it seems