S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[Loldebite]

I regret the D1 pass

this is a stupid pass to give away, you have no one to blame but yourself

Here's an example of passes that are OK to hand out : I give you a copy of the self-blame pass

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Kuti gave Banana a day 1 pass and I'm of the impression that other people are as well because one of the supposed heads of the hydra is a newbie. That's not me deb. I'm voting Banana. Nobody else besides mac is. Do you see my issue? Nobody is questioning this guy

I just don't feel like spending ages dancing around Banana on D1 is productive. Tried before in other games, didn't yield much results. I'm not opposed to lynching him, but I definetly don't think it's the best course of action, considering it's not like everyone else is super towny lol. He should become more readable as time passes (which means he should be heavily scrutinized tomorrow, maybe cop checked if that's a thing, that kind of stuff).

[macdougall]

wow you actually TR both I'm struck

Wait so you're saying you thought I was lying about townreading them, and now you think I might not be because I put the reads in a list?

Talk me through this cuz I'm confused.

[Loldebite]

You can simply iso me to see that I've been townreading those two for ages. Or even ask them.

yeah mb, I was imprecise I meant the "top 2" part specifically

[Kutiplz]

Do wolves not claim roles or something?

I'm scumreading you because I don't like the way you've treated my slot. You haven't engaged me on any reads or questioned me for anything except a townread i made 2 days ago which you said why and then immediately dropped it and went back to not engaging me. And the timing of your vote on me felt opportunistic. Like you haven't attempted to progress a solve on me at all all day and want to vote me out on day 1? It's not something people familiar with me should ever do but here you are.

Because I am taking this Gabe as low energy and effort. No one wanted to wagon anyone outside of dm and wisp. I tr both more than I do you. I'm trying to protect my tr

[Stellaria]

you asked for it, enemy of the people

Public Service Announcement: Banana is terribly unlikely to be in an actual hydra, considering he's acting like his normal self all the time. Discussion and speculation about hydras is terribly unproductive and likely off-topic. If you really want to be sure, I guess you could always ask the host, perhaps he'll respond lol.

THE TRUTH MUST CCOME OUT BANANA

thanks

I asked just now if a hydra (multiple people playing on one account) was possible this game, and Frinckles said "I guess" but he wasn't informed about any hydras. So it's possible that someone is a hydra but frinckles doesn't know.

[Dark Magician]

I would like to get rid of DM if he doesn't, you know, start making sense. Also, medium is like the easiest scum claim ever, so it absolutely doesn't scare me away from his train. That said, I can get behind pressure on Mac as well (seeing the next posts that did exactly that).

Oh but my ability is absolutely real if you want I can publicly show a post from the person executed today in day chat.
So don’t touch me with that gross shit, I have Confirmability with my role.

[Kutiplz]

-vote TheBananaBaroness (3):

[Dark Magician]

Like show a post from a dead player in the dead chat.

[macdougall]

I am fairly sus of Kuti. I don't get the impression that shielding Marshall cuz they have good tone, giving a disruptive openly wolfy player like Banana and trying to chop Mac on day 1 are particularly towny things in the grand scheme of things. But if they have a self resolving claim and they made it without prompting then it is what it is.

[Loldebite]

Wait so you're saying you thought I was lying about townreading them, and now you think I might not be because I put the reads in a list?

Talk me through this cuz I'm confused.

I... Already explained tho...

this is why I personally hate that "don't check new replies" feature (YES IT'S TRUE ! I DO HATE IT I ADMIT !!!)

[Kutiplz]

-vote TheBananaBaroness

[Stellaria]

Oh but my ability is absolutely real if you want I can publicly show a post from the person executed today in day chat.
So don’t touch me with that gross shit, I have Confirmability with my role.

Okay but real question here, can't you just fake it?

[macdougall]

yeah mb, I was imprecise I meant the "top 2" part specifically

Yeah that makes more sense.

They are though. Ultra and Martin are on an equal footing with them though.

[Loldebite]

thanks

I asked just now if a hydra (multiple people playing on one account) was possible this game, and Frinckles said "I guess" but he wasn't informed about any hydras. So it's possible that someone is a hydra but frinckles doesn't know.

I'd say it's likely take frinckles too seriously but hey that might be badmouthing

[macdougall]

I... Already explained tho...

this is why I personally hate that "don't check new replies" feature (YES IT'S TRUE ! I DO HATE IT I ADMIT !!!)

I hate it too.

[Kutiplz]

I am fairly sus of Kuti. I don't get the impression that shielding Marshall cuz they have good tone, giving a disruptive openly wolfy player like Banana and trying to chop Mac on day 1 are particularly towny things in the grand scheme of things. But if they have a self resolving claim and they made it without prompting then it is what it is.

I have made the claim since page 1 and have held it since

[Loldebite]

I hate it too.

omg I thought I was alone

alrite, sorry DM you have to go

[Stellaria]

I'd say it's likely take frinckles too seriously but hey that might be badmouthing

I don't see a reason why not to trust Frinckles on this. Unless it's standard for hosts to do stuff like that like it is in Blood on the CLocktower

[Stellaria]

Pringles approved adding @Toad to the Hydra

at the very least I think this statement is outright bs

[macdougall]

Because I am taking this Gabe as low energy and effort. No one wanted to wagon anyone outside of dm and wisp. I tr both more than I do you. I'm trying to protect my tr

That's fine. I townread both of them also. But you would want to be right on those reads to go from that to chopping Mac d1.

Nobody wants to vote anyone other than those two is also probably straight up not true. Have you actually polled anyone else? It's more accurate to say that I seem viable as a counter to them based on the sentiment. Which is why it's opportunistic.

What's your read on arrow, achro and PoD?

Has lumi made posts?

[macdougall]

Yo.

I am Serial Killer, but I promise only to kill the mafia at night.

Oh yeh I forgot achro is a 3p lol.

[macdougall]

And Lumi isn't a player?

[Stellaria]

Yeah the OP says this game presented by Frinckles and Lumi

[macdougall]

So your claim is a gift giver?

I don't think that's ever really verifiable and it's weird you insta claimed it tbh cuz it's the sort of role that wolves would claim more readily than a towny would because of the perceived benefit of confirmation wolves get. If you are gifting strong abilities to townies why would you claim it?

[macdougall]

If Kuti gifts someone a vest or something like that... is that ever clearing? No?

A vig shot that person uses on a wolf yes probably.

Outside of them gifting a vig shot or cop check that then gets used on a wolf there is no way a gift giver actually self resolves. I've seen more variations of mafia gifters than town ones and I've seen mafia gift town some powerful boons in the name of pocketing before.

Sorry but I'm pretty much gonna lock mafia read Kuti for hiding behind an NAI claim and trying to chop me on day 1 opportunistically.

[Ultra]

Because I am taking this Gabe as low energy and effort. No one wanted to wagon anyone outside of dm and wisp. I tr both more than I do you. I'm trying to protect my tr

False dichotomy

[macdougall]

Yeah the OP says this game presented by Frinckles and Lumi

Me read OP that's unpossible

[Stellaria]

according to the possible roles in the game, one of the gifts is a self-vigilante shot which i think means kuti can hand someone a gift, and when that person goes to use the gift it just kills themselves

[Stellaria]

so basically kuti can hand people a suicide button disguised as a christmas present

how morbid

[Ultra]

If Kuti gifts someone a vest or something like that... is that ever clearing? No?

A vig shot that person uses on a wolf yes probably.

Outside of them gifting a vig shot or cop check that then gets used on a wolf there is no way a gift giver actually self resolves. I've seen more variations of mafia gifters than town ones and I've seen mafia gift town some powerful boons in the name of pocketing before.

Sorry but I'm pretty much gonna lock mafia read Kuti for hiding behind an NAI claim and trying to chop me on day 1 opportunistically.

They stated they need to guess a holiday before they can gift give. I am attempting to verify by having them target me with a random holiday. Otherwise I'm kind of in this boat meself

[Ultra]

according to the possible roles in the game, one of the gifts is a self-vigilante shot which i think means kuti can hand someone a gift, and when that person goes to use the gift it just kills themselves

lol

I don't see the role list btw where is it

[macdougall]

Achro has not passed the townsiding 3p challenge for day 1 either imo.

[Ultra]

You know what fuck it

-vote Kutiplz

Let's get it

[Stellaria]

I put it in my notes, apparently this is it https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-Night-2-(15p)

[Stellaria]

not even gonna lie, I didn't realize until now that ikarus was also voting for banana

[Kutiplz]

That's fine. I townread both of them also. But you would want to be right on those reads to go from that to chopping Mac d1.

Nobody wants to vote anyone other than those two is also probably straight up not true. Have you actually polled anyone else? It's more accurate to say that I seem viable as a counter to them based on the sentiment. Which is why it's opportunistic.

What's your read on arrow, achro and PoD?

Has lumi made posts?

It was eitherg you or banana. Idk man I am just trying to keep people I tr alive

[Loldebite]

I'm going to sleep but before that I'll park an admittedly lazy vote but before that I had planned not to vote at all which is much stupider still so

-vote Arrow

welcome (back) to FM

[Stellaria]

sweet dreams yo

[Kutiplz]

The gifts are rng

I don't pick the gift im giving

[Wiisp]

so basically kuti can hand people a suicide button disguised as a christmas present

how morbid

ill take that

[Kutiplz]

I CAN'T GIEE GIFTS WITHOUT SOMEONE TELLING THEIR FAVORITE HOLIDAY

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASK PEOPLE THAT WITHOUT BEING LIKE HY I NEED YOUR FAVORITE HOLIDAY FOR MY ROLE.

IF EVERYONE GIVES ME THEIR HOLIDAY, WOLVES CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO I'M GIFTING.

JESUS CHRIST DO I NEED TO SPELL EVERYTHING OUT

[Kutiplz]

God I'm out for the day. Yeet me I don't care. I tried to go about this better and I'm annoyed at myself.

[Stellaria]

wait so you don't have a choice in it at all? can it not be influenced by the holidays?

if I'm picking up what you're putting down it's like this

!target person, provide their favorite holiday, they get a gift with 1/3 chance it's a suicide button


is it not this:

!target person, they get 1/3 available gifts but you get to choose if you know their favorite holiday?

[Ultra]

I CAN'T GIEE GIFTS WITHOUT SOMEONE TELLING THEIR FAVORITE HOLIDAY

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASK PEOPLE THAT WITHOUT BEING LIKE HY I NEED YOUR FAVORITE HOLIDAY FOR MY ROLE.

IF EVERYONE GIVES ME THEIR HOLIDAY, WOLVES CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO I'M GIFTING.

JESUS CHRIST DO I NEED TO SPELL EVERYTHING OUT

what if I don't have a favorite holiday

[Stellaria]

well okay I'm wrong then, I got ninja'd


uh, I guess even if you're town you're kind of a menace anyway because of the 1/3rd chance suicide button gift thing

[Kutiplz]

wait so you don't have a choice in it at all? can it not be influenced by the holidays?

if I'm picking up what you're putting down it's like this

!target person, provide their favorite holiday, they get a gift with 1/3 chance it's a suicide button


is it not this:

!target person, they get 1/3 available gifts but you get to choose if you know their favorite holiday?

It's rng. I don't get to pick the gift. I just give name and link to post

[Kutiplz]

well okay I'm wrong then, I got ninja'd


uh, I guess even if you're town you're kind of a menace anyway because of the 1/3rd chance suicide button gift thing

I hate it he re

[Kutiplz]

what if I don't have a favorite holiday

Well idk man

[Stellaria]

I hate it he re

hey im juust stating the facts man i already gave you my holidays what more do you want from me