S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

#200 was the first thing that wasnt part of rvs and that was not reacted yet somehow

Ohh that efficiency

[FM-Myopia]

The threat to humanity has been eliminated. But there is a friendly artificial intelligence focused on finding and exterminating the enemies of the town!

How do we know you arent just android 2.0 from.the same factory

[FM-Demonic TP]

How do we know you arent just android 2.0 from.the same factory

Belarusian cows are the best cows in the world! Buy Belarusian cows!

[FM-Myopia]

Belarusian cows are the best cows in the world! Buy Belarusian cows!

Whats the loint in making the seeleer anonymous and then screaming around like that?

[FM-Is that a leaf]

The threat to humanity has been eliminated. But there is a friendly artificial intelligence focused on finding and exterminating the enemies of the town!

Nice. I like you. What do you think of ohno's "it may be really stupid" stuff on the first page, and of Kitty's reaction to it, along with Something's?

[FM-Myopia]

Ohh that efficiency

I just hate saying something thats not new

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Pain might show just not enough excitement about his tunnel to be town

Sorry.. what?

[FM-Father and Sun]

You had a read on me based on the pre-made opening post?
What's actually wolfy about it? I'm curious.

The vibe. Looked alot like you were trying to influence

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Sorry.. what?

ohh I read the opposite
sorry lol

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

The vibe. Looked alot like you were trying to influence

But I did?
I still think RQS has merit in anonymous game.

[FM-Demonic TP]

Nice. I like you. What do you think of ohno's "it may be really stupid" stuff on the first page, and of Kitty's reaction to it, along with Something's?

My logic module considers that the reactions of these participants are not alignment-indicative. Everyone can open claim the mechanics if he finds it useful. Also, mechanics are not alignment-indicative too.

[FM-Is that a leaf]

HELLO EVERYONE!!!!

It is I, the lord of KRC Mooofia and I declare myself safe from everyone in this realm
I am hard claiming a neutral role entitled "North Korean Information Smuggler".

My win condition is to accumulate $1,000,000 which currently i have none

In order for me to accumulate the money.
I must infiltrate up to 2 people during the night and I can talk and acquire their night info (inc. private message to host) and sell the said information to other players

For now, I have no information and I can begin looking for it a night and onwards

Bidding starts at day 2 (2 top bidders will get both information)

Bidding rules:
- Starts at $10,000
- Multiples of 10,000 only for the succeeding bids

Note: An unknown loan shark will lend you the money for every multiple of 10,000. It will increase the chance of you dying during the night by 1%

Example. If you bid $50,000. There would be a chance for you to die 5% during the night


FAQs

My liege, why are you claiming your role day 1?
It is because to keep me from either alignment's harm.
There's also a chance for me to win on day 1 when a single person bids $1,000,000 (which has a 100% death rate)

My liege, what if the players lynched or killed you during the night?
The killer is fucking insane. Why kill me? I am beneficial to both alignments.

My liege, what happens if you win?
My voting powers are not counted and I can only post up to 10x per day (until I got killed/lynched)

My liege, is there a chance you are faking your role and alignment?
Of course not, I would be glad if someone would investigate me during the night and can confirm I am harmless

My liege, how do I bid
Just type -Bid ##,###
Example: -Bid 10,000

God does not play dice. Neither do I. Especially if the dice are made of plutonium. Go away. You are not a scumhunter anyway, and while what you claim is mildly pro-town, as of right now, there is no way to make sure you aren't deathtrapping us with this.

NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

[FM-Father and Sun]

Truth being told, I haven't seen someone call me or kitty wolfy yet.
I think your against the grain views are a good look, but c'mon, there's no way to get past this post without asking you to elaborate and you know that like why wouldn't you in the first place

Kitty has done 2 things that I remember:
-liking oh no post. Which I actually don't dislike too in backreading. Previously I thought that "this is stupid" was talking about game mechanic not about actually announcing the feedback.
-Going after "LHF hunters" so to speak.
Literally both of those things I 100% expect them to do as both alignments. Completely neutral things. I'm genuinely curious what wolfyness you say in kitty that I didn't when for me they are the most null null of all the nulls ever to have nulled.

How do you know who kitty actually is?

[FM-Demonic TP]

can artificial intelligence love? will it make him human?

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Sc2 thinks its better than me and keeps telling me not to post

Fun fact
Mafia is infinitely more popular on KR than on NA:
https://sc2arcade.com/map/3/78476/lobbies-history
https://sc2arcade.com/map/1/100184/lobbies-history

[FM-Is that a leaf]

My logic module considers that the reactions of these participants are not alignment-indicative. Everyone can open claim the mechanics if he finds it useful. Also, mechanics are not alignment-indicative too.

Ah, my bad: INSTRUCTIONS UNCLEAR. I was not referring to talking about mechanics, but rather about how they brought the topic on the table. Talking about gold is NAI. Saying you're paranoid about talking about it might not be. That's even more true about people basing reads on this statement.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

How do you know who kitty actually is?

I don't. They're just such abysmally neutral things to do that I don't see why they would be AI in any way shape or form, hence why I'd expect them to do both those things as either alignment.

[FM-Is that a leaf]

God does not play dice. Neither do I. Especially if the dice are made of plutonium. Go away. You are not a scumhunter anyway, and while what you claim is mildly pro-town, as of right now, there is no way to make sure you aren't deathtrapping us with this.

NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

Precision: I do not think lynching Arcade is necessary, at least for now. I however advise everyone to be cautious with anything they propose.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Yh it didn't give bones much to go off that's true

I've gone back oj my something read though. They've done alot in thread on top of being tunnelled which is quite a towny look despite some generically wolfy things

That 2nd paraphraph.. It sort of feels like an appeal of "I'm towny because I changed my read on Something to Townread" because I just can't see another purpose of that since Eyes didn't even mention me.

Ohh but that's what it was. I guess I'm not used to these "your read on me is missing stuff because I also did x y z" because I'm sort of perplexed if that's what's how a Towny would respond.

[FM-Father and Sun]

I don't. They're just such abysmally neutral things to do that I don't see why they would be AI in any way shape or form, hence why I'd expect them to do both those things as either alignment.

Kk

I dont like how they came to some of their reads- felt illogical or like they were trying to find a reason to read someone in a particular way

[FM-Father and Sun]

That 2nd paraphraph.. It sort of feels like an appeal of "I'm towny because I changed my read on Something to Townread" because I just can't see another purpose of that since Eyes didn't even mention me.

Ohh but that's what it was. I guess I'm not used to these "your read on me is missing stuff because I also did x y z" because I'm sort of perplexed if that's what's how a Towny would respond.

Wolves in a box from my experience:
A) dissappear and hope for it to blow over
B) focus only on the ppl attacking them
C) ignore the ppl attacking them

They rarely stay as engaged as you are in thread AND engage the person attacking them

Does that make more sense?

[FM-Is that a leaf]

Reality and is an illsuon. Good thing you know me, the universe is a hologram. Buy gold, bye! As I awoke, I did not feel like myself. Why not me? I was hurting like during Y2K, I became Mr Pain (or maybe it was the hot sauce I used the night prior). I saw the rising Father and Sun, glowing various colours like a Kaleidoscope, flashing lights like at an Arcade. Due to Myopia, my Eyes couldn't tell what I was seeing. Its SOMETHING. Is that a leaf, why is it Purple? Why do I smell death, has the CBI Agent Mr Bones been hunting again (how dare he leave me here like a pile of Forsaken Bones!?)? How many times do I have to tell him, I'm not Mafia Bro! Still suffering from the hot sauce, Bizarro Pepsi (should have gone with Miller Lite), and that Comrade PickleRadish last night, I quickly wiped myself with Demonic TP and got onto my feet. In the distance, I could make out a blur of what I can only describe as a Dark Unicorn with Blue Beard doing Kitty Cat Dance (talk about a 2-on-1). What Earless Artiste created this world before me? It was as if time and space blended, these creatures and shapes before me became inscribed, along with me, within this Tesseract. ohno! What is happening to me? I used to be an Inconspicuous Man, but with my new powers and riches, the time has come for me to become a Chad Knight!

This... person got "jailed" or something and has attorneys lol, right? If so, that's a great thing, because this is suspicious. It's far from impossible that a role involves naming everyone. Tesseract also isn't helping town from what I could see.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

I dknt find pickels that wolfy really and think them surviving a day seems to give them powers thay I think will help us resolve the slot.

Obvs if they get really wolfy kill them but I don't think it's worth it just yet

I agree with that, but honestly I think Purple was just trolling because their whole purpose of "I'm shooting pickles tonight" was "They're trying to scumread me", and Purple looks to be above that way of thinking, at least they look experienced to me.
Wasn't purple also the one who "caught dancing cat in a trap"? Ok yah that slot does deserve a closer look.

[FM-Demonic TP]

Ah, my bad: INSTRUCTIONS UNCLEAR. I was not referring to talking about mechanics, but rather about how they brought the topic on the table. Talking about gold is NAI. Saying you're paranoid about talking about it might not be. That's even more true about people basing reads on this statement.

Judging by my research on human nature, gold has a high value. For this reason, I decided to become a businessman and earn as much gold as possible.
However, I believe that the players who brought this topic up are more interested in gold than others. I guess it might have something to do with their win condition.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

Wolves in a box from my experience:
A) dissappear and hope for it to blow over
B) focus only on the ppl attacking them
C) ignore the ppl attacking them

They rarely stay as engaged as you are in thread AND engage the person attacking them

Does that make more sense?

I wasn't questioning your reasons for townreading me.
Your post just looked odd to me that's all.

Just to make sure - why did you add the part about townreading me in your response to Eyes? I guess it looks odd to me because Eyes didn't even mention me nor your read on me in that post you responded to.

[FM-Is that a leaf]

You box out the wolves when you have a towncore...

have a vote

-vote FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Blue Beard is a face value player, it seems. Comrade was spouting nonsense about "exposing town core early" being scummy, and he replied with this. While Comrade's post is just wrong, it is not inherently scummy (town can be wrong). I like Blue Beard being eager to place votes where his mind and mouth are, though.

[FM-Its SOMETHING]

be back later I'm getting fuzzy

[FM-Father and Sun]

Wolves in a box from my experience:
A) dissappear and hope for it to blow over
B) focus only on the ppl attacking them
C) ignore the ppl attacking them

They rarely stay as engaged as you are in thread AND engage the person attacking them

Does that make more sense?

Also I like how you've questioned my town read on you

[FM-Father and Sun]

Blue Beard is a face value player, it seems. Comrade was spouting nonsense about "exposing town core early" being scummy, and he replied with this. While Comrade's post is just wrong, it is not inherently scummy (town can be wrong). I like Blue Beard being eager to place votes where his mind and mouth are, though.

Yh.

Level 1 reads aren't always wrong and so I don't find it inherently scummy when ppl use them especially d1. It's townier to have more complex reads but face value reads aren't always that bad

[FM-Is that a leaf]

How do we know you arent just android 2.0 from.the same factory

Kaleidoscope's rolecard states that it was upgraded because he was a solo faction. So no.

Do we have any clues on why he died?

[FM-Chad Knight]

Kaleidoscope's rolecard states that it was upgraded because he was a solo faction. So no.

Do we have any clues on why he died?

It appears they hit the entity limit.

Crabs are entities. Perhaps he purchased too many crabs. Pinging @FM-Mr Pain as he is allegedly familiar with the source of the role. Is it possible that it’s related to crabs?

I appear to be fine, as I own one Crab. But I would suggest people to cancel any orders of crabs in bulk until further notice.

[FM-Is that a leaf]

I went to read Pain's ISO to see why he was the leading wagon.

nah

it is preety unreasonable to assume one way or another considering its a ?krc game on this site

(of which has oddities compared to other communities including night-only chat occasionally, though not as frequent in ?krc games)

if you're a newcomer from another site then you have absolutely no idea of the culture

or you aren't a newcomer and are fully aware that ?krc games could be either way and shouldn't be assumed upon

We have what, 24 players? And it is unreasonable to expect an uninformed minority acting as a team? Lol. Having more votes on this cannot hurt.

-vote FM-Mr Pain

[FM-Father and Sun]

It appears they hit the entity limit.

Crabs are entities. Perhaps he purchased too many crabs. Pinging @FM-Mr Pain as he is allegedly familiar with the source of the role. Is it possible that it’s related to crabs?

I appear to be fine, as I own one Crab. But I would suggest people to cancel any orders of crabs in bulk until further notice.

Lol yes.

I have one crab and am now worried

��

[FM-Demonic TP]

Kaleidoscope's rolecard states that it was upgraded because he was a solo faction. So no.

Do we have any clues on why he died?

It's not me!

[FM-Chad Knight]

I don’t believe pain is inherently scummy. I believe they are incorrect. But that does not indicate that they are scum in any way.

[FM-Is that a leaf]

Town
Kitty (early read of ohno)
Father (solvy)
Blue beard (puts vote where mouth is + seems genuine face value player)

Beware
Arcade (NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT)

[FM-Demonic TP]

Town
Kitty (early read of ohno)
Father (solvy)
Blue beard (puts vote where mouth is + seems genuine face value player)

Beware
Arcade (NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT)

But you said nothing about ohno.
Do you agree with Kitty's early read on them?

[FM-Eyes]

I see no harm in you. Probability says that you're more likely to sell information to a Townie than a Wolfy and the fact that Lag edited your post confirms you mechanically for all I care.

How Does Lag editing a swastika out confirm anything? that's the worst logic I've ever seen for anything

-vote FM-Its SOMETHING

[FM-Bizarro Pepsi]

This is just an announcement that I am now a VT-equivalent due to someone else's stupidity.

[FM-Purple]

I need to go to bed..

Every vote on me will invert alignment feedback. I am assuming that means it will just screw with sheriffs and such.

This sounds like a lot of bullshit.

[FM-Purple]

this is what a bad wolf posts while they're trying to create antispew.

I dont see it

[FM-ohno]

Sup nerds

Im back in the thread

also i must add i did NOT lose gold. My sleep deprived dumbass understodd - 2000 gold in a inventory feedback as MINUS 2000 when it just means i have 2000. Thats probably what generated the announcement im sure you all recieved

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

Considering the triad
I had a so stupid idea pre game
That i think would be incredibly funny
But listen
What if we all claim.being members of the triad
And this thread here is our triad chat

Triad? I'm sorry, is that was people call mafia in flavor or is it a third party and if its the latter, how would Myopia know about it?

[FM-Purple]

?KRC M-FM Edition

FM-Kaleidoscope has Died!

They exceeded the entity limit and were despawned.

Their Flip

Spoiler : Flip : Alignment: Malevolent AI Role: Android Factional Abilities: Upgraded Rolecard As you are a solo faction, your abilities have been upgraded. Upgrades are shown in pink on your rolecard. Note: These upgrades will not appear to any role-cop or ability peek abilities unless said actions also contain an alignment check. Win Condition: You are an anti-town faction. You win if any day begins with all of the following conditions met, or nothing can stop this from happening: - You are alive - There are no other anti-town factions alive - There is at most 1 other player alive Rolecard: Android You are an android, a robotic entity disguised as a human. By default you are resistant to damage from fire, cold, soul damaging, fisticuffs, and knives. It takes two attacks from a damage type you are resistant to to count as a lethal attack for you. Being healed in any fashion resets the amount of attacks you may survive from any resistant damage type. By default you are immune to damage from poison, hunger, thirst, toxins, biological agents, radiation, telepathy, blood magic, and asphyxiation. Being attacked from a damage type you are immune to will have no effect. By default you have an ability to tackle another player during the night, if their rolecard contains no means of inflicting lethal damage on another player, you inflict a lethal attack upon them as they are unable to defend themselves. If they have an attack that can effect you, you fail in your attack and all your other actions fail. Your target is informed if they survive an attack. You may only perform one action per night unless otherwise specified. At the start of every day and night you gain an amount of upgrade points you can use to improve any of your four subsystems. You may spend upgrade points at any time, nothing can prevent you from spending upgrade points. You may not reallocate spent upgrade points. You start the game with 2 upgrade points. At the start of every night you gain upgrade points by fulfilling the following conditions during the day: +2 upgrade points at the start of every night by default. +1 upgrade point at the start of every night if you have not been dealt damage from a lethal attack during the game. +1 upgrade point for every vote on you at the end of the day. +3 upgrade points for being the hammering or last vote against a player that was lynched the previous day. +1 upgrade point for being a vote on a player that was lynched the previous day, this stacks with being the hammering or last vote on a player. +2 upgrade points for having the highest post count for the prior day. +1 upgrade point for having the 2nd or third highest post count for the prior day. +3 upgrade points for killing a player during the day. At the start of every day you gain upgrade points by fulfilling the following conditions during the night: +1 upgrade point at the start of every day by default. +1 upgrade point for being the target of a beneficial action during the night, these points cannot be gained multiple times during the same day/night cycle. +1 upgrade point for being the target of a neutral/benign action during the night, these points cannot be gained multiple times during the same day/night cycle. +2 upgrade point for being the target of a negative action during the night, these points cannot be gained multiple times during the same day/night cycle. +2 upgrade points for not being the target of any action from another player during the night +2 upgrade points for killing another player during the night. +1 upgrade point for surviving an attack At any time you may fulfill the following conditions to gain upgrade points, you can only fulfill these conditions once: +1 upgrade point for making the host laugh +5 upgrade points for surviving to LYLO or MYLO. +5 upgrade points for reaching level 10 in any subsystem. +5 upgrade points for eliminating the last player of any faction. Thanks to your upgraded rolecard you also gain: +X upgrade points each start of day and each start of night where X is the equal to the corresponding phase number. This quantity is not affected by the upgrades to the Energy Production Core. To upgrade a subsystem simply message the host and inform them of how many upgrade points you want to spend and for which subsystem. Each upgrade's cost is equal to the level of the upgrade. You must upgrade subsystems in order, I.E. you must have levels one-three of core before getting level four of core. All upgrades are permanent. You start with level 1 in every subsystem. Spoiler : Core upgrades : Core: Energy production Spoiler : Chassis upgrades : Chassis: Health and body Spoiler : Locomotion upgrades : Locomotion: Agility, movement, and dexterity Spoiler : Processing upgrades : Processing: Intellect, reaction speed, and perception

Their Edited Role Submission

Spoiler : Flip : Role: Stealthbomber16 Rolecard: You have unleashed a telepathic brain maggot into the town's water supply and it has attached itself to another player. You don't know who they are, but you will know nearly everything they know. Information you will receive: - Their role - Their rolecard - The names of any private chats they are in - Any feedback they receive Information you will not receive: - Their name - Their alignment - The names of any factional chats they are in - Messages sent in private or factional chats

The original post has also been updated.

I don't get it but good riddance

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Considering the triad
I had a so stupid idea pre game
That i think would be incredibly funny
But listen
What if we all claim.being members of the triad
And this thread here is our triad chat

This screams like a perspective a lost wolf would have. I also get the feeling the very out of place punctuation could be signaling.

-vote FM-Myopia

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

I saw some people questioning my "huh" response to Mr. Pains post about it's something having TMI (specifically Mr. Pain himself). To be honest, I didn't understand his point and didn't want to say it. but it turns out no one else gets it either, so there you go.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I saw some people questioning my "huh" response to Mr. Pains post about it's something having TMI (specifically Mr. Pain himself). To be honest, I didn't understand his point and didn't want to say it. but it turns out no one else gets it either, so there you go.

I don't really agree with the Pain push but its breaking RVS so whatever. LHF > Scum there at a glance.

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

Anyways yeah I'm here to interact now



If this is serious then this is one of my first scumreads.

Forsaken can join him. This is based on two specific posts for now:
178-


and 153-


I think the first one doesn't have real reasons for townreading someone. the seconds reason I don't think is villagery, I think it's a post anyone can make off of the post I made. The post I made wasn't villagery. Anyone can identify that.
The second post isn't much, again i think it's an easy point that anyone can continue to contribute too/feed off of.

Pickle's whole thing about "not forming a towncore" ? I kinda read that as towny for right now. I think there's a genuine miscommunication here potentially, and how hard he was arguing this seems....like something.

Purple is also town, as is potentially Myo.

DU (not using full parts of names for tess/DU because My mind cant distinguish them then) is an undecided leaning wolf

for no explainable reason i believe Pain/Something is T/T. I think Pain might show just not enough excitement about his tunnel to be town, but for now that's where he's going to sit. Something's response isn't great, but going off of WIM and general neutrality in all of their answers. Can't really explain it, I like it.

I'm also going to throw some suspicion on Eyes for now, but I'm more confident in Blue Beard's alignment. I think the way that Eyes reads Forsaken Bones here, by putting suspicion on him for putting townreads on things Eyes disagrees with rather then questioning why Forsaken made those reads and statements shows that they don't care about solving Forsaken's alignment, or can't do it genuinely rather.

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

I don't really agree with the Pain push but its breaking RVS so whatever. LHF > Scum there at a glance.

I think people are inclined to scumread Pain because they disagree with their case. I don't think the case was actively scummy, though it's probably just wrong.

I don't think wolves ever think Its Something is a valid elimination to go for, seeing as they claimed a role too important to us to really eliminate without extreme certainty of them being a wolf. Moreover, It seems like a thing a villager who thought they caught a wolf would do.

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

Pure in what manner?

?krc games have historically sometimes (if not oftentimes) involved more than 1 faction and I don't like that you're just throwing 2 people off the list of who could be scum so soon into the game

There’s no agenda.
Reading through their posts there, Beard’s vote especially, I see two villagers at odds with each other.
It’s hard to put into words but I don’t think the thought processes from them are fake and the way they argue with each other about optimal towncore play doesn’t come from wolves.

That said, just because I read someone as V doesn’t mean they’re “off the list”. I don’t see how V reads early in the game are an issue.