I'm starting to like Ozzy tbh. I think he might be town rn.
Starting to feel worse about jack tho.
ok lets say cop reveals check
cop will be blocked (unless their check was exactly consort)
enter night: check or cop die
enter day 3 with:
1 doc
1 cop/green check
3 remaining town
2 mafia
5 v 2, with no extra mechanical information, and room for 2 misyeets? is my math right
I dont know if we should press into d3 without our PR roles spilling the beans. the idea of a save and roleblocked cop seems unlikely. Even if the results were abysmal it leaves too much leeway for scum to manipulate how we interpret the results. like if dm died and flipped doc a scum ozy could say "oh well he totally townread me!" Or they could sift through an iso and make up some bullshit about a code etc.
overall I'd take my chances on atleast one fuckin PR outing. I think the doc save fucked over the power of any cc
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Eh im tired fuggit
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I'm not against PR's claiming.
I think it's ok for the Sheriff to do claim.Spoiler : Stuff :
I think it's better for the doc to not claim until he or his target are the top lynch target. That way Sheriff can live until the Consort dies.
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Ok, let me just ISO you and quote every reasoning you have given in the game before this post of yours:
Spoiler : Frostbyte :
RVS was looking good.
But past that? Your only interests were in 2 things:
-Bitching about DM (who isn't even talking to you).
-Talking about Skip and PR claims.
That's it. That's literally it. Unless you count in stuff like "people who meta read me are full of shit".
I'm not sure what you're thinking of when you made this post tbh. I think you're a bit delusion in terms of what were you contributions and ideas in this game. Outside of RVS, it's only mechanical talk about -skip and role claims. The only "read" was bitching about DM. Certainly no reasonings other than "he does this every game!".
After this post of yours, you've only made 1 post. First post to hold any reasoning behind it. Given the context, looks awfully lot like OMGUS to me.
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True, I can't. But I can make cleverly biased assumptions.
This is fair. And I apologize.
Except for the "self-pres". I ask you to state your thoughts processes in order to be able to read your slot. I don't even know where this "self-pres" idea could come from. How about we try to be forthcoming and discuss things and elaborate on each other's inquiries? This "You question my reasoning when I don't state it? HOW DARE YOU! YOU "SELF-PRES" ETC. ETC." is bullshit. Just help others understand your thought processes instead of becoming so defensive.
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naz, SJ, Frost.
naz has not provided any reads and instead prefered to talk about general game mechanics when she came here. By a large, the same goes for Frost. Until I pointed out he lacks reasoning and then he OMGUS'd me...
I think that for scum - making up reads is harder, and talking about mechanics is good looking busy work.
SJ, for all intents and purposes, has not given anything that would make me read him as a town and even goes out of his way to not contribute. The problem here is that he is better than that, he could easily make himself be the top town read in the game if he had put the effort into it. But right now - he is in the TWTBAW zone.
Frost I don't particularly scum read tbh, I think he's just bad. I have faith in Gray's meta read on Frost and after ISO'ing Frost - he did remind a little of his town game in krc. But relatively to everyone else - I trust him less enough to make him #3 in my Scummy list.
Still waiting for Grayswandir to post a link to the game of Frost that he had in mind when he said this games reminds him of that.
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I'm off for a good winter swim. When I say "swim" I mean standing in a "Ice Hole" in a lake
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@Grayswandir Please respond to my question in #387 and give the link or name.
Though, idk if it matters at this point anymore - he plays well similar to his krc game.
In your A-game, you could be the top townread as either alignment if you wanted to. Idk why you wouldn't do that as scum. Idk why you wouldn't do that as town. Therefore it stands to reason that it's NAI.
However. Your slot this game is basically TWTBAW this game, and my stance is and always will be to yeet every TWTBAW slot.
At this point, Gray and Frinckles aren't much better than you but at least they say something.
Then there's Frost and naz...
Gosh, I swear, for sure whoever the scums are they've never been in the center of attention in regards to being suspects - how else are brick walls everywhere, apart from Frost?
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@Dark Magician
Why are you sheeping so heavily?
On the first glance, I'm not sure I see the similarity tbh. There he's making reads, making cases, pushing stuff, questioning stuff, everything you could hope for.
This was his 4th post in that game, lol.
He has asked some questions this game, but that's as much similarity as I can detect tbh.
Though there's the thing that he's heavily Tunneled on Oberon that game, and this game you could say he's focused on DM. But that game he's making cases and arguments and pushes left and right.
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I didn't have a scum read for people not hammering. The guy who didn't hammer was light and he was one of my fucking town dude. Like wtf are you doing this game if you can't even pay attention slightly to what people are saying? That's why i had you (and honestly reading this garbage brings you back to it) as one of my top scum. Mafia aren't trying to understand players in game, they're trying to bury them with bullshit. I put the guy who didn't hammer as one of my town.
-vote ozzywhoI am much more confident after reading this that you're mafia aligned.
-vote Ozywho
I have no idea how SuperJack is TWBTAW here, he is literally trying to
solve the game and scumpainting ppl. That’s exactly what town is supposed to do. Trying to ‘get townread’ is not town’s primary objectibe but rather finding wolves is.
@Happymeal Thank you for correcting me. Though I again criticize your reads, when you now have someone as your "top scum read" on the basis of a possible misunderstanding - when there are 5 slots who don't even attempt to game solve. That's ludicrous.
At the end of the day - I didn't even scumread you in my criticisms of your reads, and I again criticize your assumption that I'm "scumpainting you" when I straight out say that I think your're town.
What type of game do you think we are playing? Discourse is an essential part of game solving. How about you try to find wolves instead of OMGUS'ing someone for giving their viewpoints on your reads, and why they think they are bad.
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Regardless though. I want to see how badly mistaken I was about your reads in order to be objective, so let me go through them. Please correct me again on anything you see false:
Spoiler : :
First of all, I guarantee you that scum are more careful in what I say than town.
Secondly, I'd have no reason to be one of only 4 slots in this game to attempt to game solve if I was scum
Thirdly, don't say that someone is "scumpainting you" when they make a point telling why they think you're town.
Fourthly, this is a social game. Discourse is part of it. You look at this game state and figure to scumread someone who gave his views on your reads and misinterpret 1 of them? 1? Is that what you're basing your "top scumread" on? This is worse than OMGUS because I didn't even say I scumread you, like wtf, just how insecure are you?
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Really? Where? Show me. Because I only noticed him going out of his way to not contribute D2. While D1 I don't remember him having reads or opinions other than "wants to skip, doesnt want to skip".
It would suck to be wrong about SJ, care to prove your point by quotes?
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Frost is much more abrasive as town. He was pretty abrasive at the start of today so he’s town.
Check the last game he played as scum and then check this one. The only person he was abrasive towards was DarkMagician and that’s because they hate each other.
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Seriously guys.
Sheriff should claim.
Like Town is most likely to have almost 100% mechanically won if he happens to confirm a different slot than the Doctor.
Moreover - the analysis under the spoiler tag were assuming both PR's claim, and hence doc dies N2 + they only confirm 3 slots, when 4 is very likely.
This isn't greedy, to not claim. It's just straight-up bad probability wise.
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I just realized, if the sheriff claims, he almost certainly makes it past tonight, unless we lynch the doctor today,
In which case, let’s just skip. I now see why people wanted to skip.
I view the Sheriff not claiming close to a gamethrow.
I'm considering to skip if Sheriff doesn't claim - just to not lose the PR's.
Like, straight up, it's possible to reduce the lynch pool to 5 slots with 4 lynches available. Worse case, 6 slots with 4 lynches availalbe + living hidden doctor to save the Sheriff.
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I agree 100% the sheriff should claim today. Very good point you made there.
Because if the sheriff reveals we can literally no lynch until he has a poe.
I Dont Think It Would Be Game Throwing.. I Think It Keeps The Odds Of Hitting Sheriff The Same Odds As Yesterday.. Asking For Sheriff To Flat Out Reveal Is Asking For Sheriff To Be Role Blocked/Attacked.. Quite Frankly There Is Also The Possibility That Sheriff Was RBd Last Night.
Loooool I’m such a dumbass he can get role blocked. Nvm