S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

I'm fairly certain Jiles was an Ensign aka Citizen. It matches with how he played throughout. I think he was just caught deer in the head lights by the ridiculous "interesting" argument and then had some smarter Scum architect a vote train on him which he was unable to successfully rebuke.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

You are right, but I believe he was ensign and will be operating under that assumption. Sometimes Faith is the death of reason, and sometimes faith parallels with objective fact. Does the Coroner want to speak up? Did he investigate fat worm Jiles?

It's just very weird to me how you've gone from "Mulan + Dr Quacksworth are cool beans" and "I read jello man as a neutral" to "I believe Jello Man was a citizen" and agreeing with Bart's scum reads on Mulan and Dr Quacksworth so quickly, with no actual information given in the lynch?

Help me understand your thought process here. I like you. But I don't like this.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

-vote S-FM Jan Korvin

Anyone else want to vote me?

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

That being said i still have some posts i need to clear up , first of all , Jan we never had our discussion that i'm still very eager to have since after reading over your posts throughout the night i truly believe you are simply saying what you think others want to hear

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Well, he was claiming Citizen (Ensign) and nobody was contradicting him on the claim or even acknowledging his claim on it- not that I remember.

Are you telling me that because nobody cc'd his citizen claim you believe he is citizen? Where was all this when he was under pressure? You were more than happy to let Mulan and I pelt this guy, and say that you liked us. But all along you had the sneaking suspicion that he was cit? And just stood by and let that happen?

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

yeah i voted both of them
what about it? so did half of the people here

exactly and if he's ensign , i'm sure there is scum on that lynch, or are we to believe town was capable of lynching an ensign all on their own without a single scum vote ?

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

also no im voting you because i got bad juju from your posts and i want to make sure your in the box you deserve to be in, ill read more and find ai stuff in a bit

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

I agree with everyone, but the order of Scum. I personally would like to see Joha Schtilzt claim a role immediately, or break his Borg Schtick. Otherwise, I'm thinking disguiser. Lembird next on the scum- but if he provides some useful analysis I could change my mind. Mulan and Dr. Quacksworth I need time to think about, and evidence against. They are cool with me, coming to my defense valiantly against Lembird (Iron Giant), but I can't ignore the possibility that it is an act. Rotholfo, I'm gonna put in neutral for now. He came in late, and its possible he didn't read all the posts to see that almost everyone else besides Lembird was calling me a town lock- so I'll consider him neutral for the sake of not alienating him.

You were ordered to submit for reprogramming. Also see my latest read based on Bart's read. I consider Bart town locked, or a smart neutral looking to get me on his side by trying to save Jiles. I feel if he was faking the attempt to save Jiles he would have done it sooner, rather than one vote before it was too late.

The I must ask where this assumed confidence emerged from_[?]

Why is the way the I speaks indicative of evil_[?] Why does this unit believe that the I thinks the Bart unit is evil_[?] This unit is putting words in the mouth of the I[;] it is noted and not appreciated_

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Anyone else want to vote me?

Lol no. What a joke.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Anyone else want to vote me?

Why are you asking? I would be okay with voting for you. You don't seem emotionally involved, so I would do so to stir the bucket or chum the waters.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

In all honesty can you honestly say the jiles push was justigied ? I found it bullshit but hindsight twenty twenty ofcourse. You may say he had a shitty defense wilbird , but how do you want the guy to defend when the only accusation against hil is a deathpush from a dude who ragequit out at the half the the day , the guy couldn't even argue with his attacker. And yes i believe he was ensign.

You are ignoring the entire interaction between jello man and myself, where he flipped his vote to OMGUS me. Please go back and reread it. There was a lot more to his train than the "interesting" thing.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

1. Not condemning Gon for jumping immediately into the game, condemning him for admitting he wouldn't read the previous day chat for reasons that I listed in my reads.
2. Mulan slightly improved his content:fluff ratio as Day progressed but there was still endless streams of snide remarks, one liners, and fluff.

1. Fair enough.

2. That may be true, I cannot confirm or deny, however, would you say that behaviour towards the latter half of the day should weigh more heavily into reads than behaviour displayed in the former half? Assuming that these endless streams you claim Marlwyn showed appeared more towards the end of the day..

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Are you telling me that because nobody cc'd his citizen claim you believe he is citizen? Where was all this when he was under pressure? You were more than happy to let Mulan and I pelt this guy, and say that you liked us. But all along you had the sneaking suspicion that he was cit? And just stood by and let that happen?

This. Anyone acting virtuous post-lynch who did nothing and thought Jiles was Ensign is full of shit. There's about 4 of them in this thread right now.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

The I must ask where this assumed confidence emerged from_[?]

Why is the way the I speaks indicative of evil_[?] Why does this unit believe that the I thinks the Bart unit is evil_[?] This unit is putting words in the mouth of the I[;] it is noted and not appreciated_

If you won't break your schtick at least explain why you are doing it. It is not an accent, and nobody seems to like it. What the old sherlock holmes expression, about he simplest answer usually being the right one? I think the simplest answer is you are attempting to hide your speech pattern.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

yeah i voted both of them
what about it? so did half of the people here

Can confirm. I voted twat-Nick when he was pushing the "interesting" angle, later switched my vote to jello man after his interaction with Mulan.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

If you won't break your schtick at least explain why you are doing it. It is not an accent, and nobody seems to like it. What the old sherlock holmes expression, about he simplest answer usually being the right one? I think the simplest answer is you are attempting to hide your speech pattern.

jan please
of course he's playing a character most of the people here are
myself included

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

If you won't break your schtick at least explain why you are doing it. It is not an accent, and nobody seems to like it. What the old sherlock holmes expression, about he simplest answer usually being the right one? I think the simplest answer is you are attempting to hide your speech pattern.

lol let the man or lady role play.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

The Jan unit was the last person the I expected to have a poor opening[,] but it seems there is a revelation amongst the collective that the I properly agrees with_

-vote S-FM Jan Korvin

The I requests a fundamental reason[,] be it a single post or a set of them[,] that this unit believes that the I does not have the Magellans best interests at heart_. It seems this unit is flailing[,] and so the time constraints for this task are very long and very open_. But failure to do provide said proof will not please me and likely will not please the collective_

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

I also want to elaborate on what i said D1, as i said i truly believe Lois simply rolled a dice and decided to deathpush somebody. and i enjoy this , i think its the best info we can gather day1 on how others respond to this kind of stuff. And i'm typing this in response to Mulan since i never had the time to respond. In all honesty your reaction was the opposite to mine , while i argued heavily against the jiles lynch you voted in favor. However when rereading day1, you were right we were doing this for the same reason aka , trying to get extra infromation , although it bothers me that you never stopped pushing jiles i can see that our idea of the lois push was the same. So i will currently i do not read you as scum. However i disagree on your read of wilbird currently.

Also fuck sake every time i try to post there are new posts

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

lol let the man or lady role play.

BIRD GANG

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

If you won't break your schtick at least explain why you are doing it. It is not an accent, and nobody seems to like it. What the old sherlock holmes expression, about he simplest answer usually being the right one? I think the simplest answer is you are attempting to hide your speech pattern.

Spoiler : meta :

I do it because it helps me stay interested in the game

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

This. Anyone acting virtuous post-lynch who did nothing and thought Jiles was Ensign is full of shit. There's about 4 of them in this thread right now.

Coming to his defense very soon after considering me locked? Answer this, if we don't know what he is and there is a HIGH probability he will be cked tonight by Coroner and YOU KNOW I have always operated under strict logic up to now, why would I make such a blatantly bad assumption and continue to run with it? I mean, for all we know the coroner has already cked him, and could reveal publicly today what his role was? Does the coroner want to speak up?

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

It seems as if a line is being drawn in the sand here

I feel pretty good about the people lining up on my side.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

bart, do me a favor dearie and respond to my two posts about why i think your read on me is completely disingenuous

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

1. Fair enough.

2. That may be true, I cannot confirm or deny, however, would you say that behaviour towards the latter half of the day should weigh more heavily into reads than behaviour displayed in the former half? Assuming that these endless streams you claim Marlwyn showed appeared more towards the end of the day..

I agree with the idea that behaviour in the later half of the day (particularly D0/1) should weigh more heavily than behaviour in the former half of the day, however I was able to be around more in the first half of the day than the second and when I was trying to get something useful done earlier on, Marlwyn was actively derailing me. That impression really stuck with me.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Spoiler : meta :

I do it because it helps me stay interested in the game

: ) you broke character. Well it is making me think you are disguiser; any chance you could change schtick to something else, or convince me disguiser isn't possible or likely?

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

It seems as if a line is being drawn in the sand here

I feel pretty good about the people lining up on my side.

You know nothing John Snow

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

: ) you broke character. Well it is making me think you are disguiser; any chance you could change schtick to something else, or convince me disguiser isn't possible or likely?

jan your chasing ghosts

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

The I does agree with Bart unit[,] which the I believes to be most surprising_. This was not an expected outcome coming into this cycle_

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I also want to elaborate on what i said D1, as i said i truly believe Lois simply rolled a dice and decided to deathpush somebody. and i enjoy this , i think its the best info we can gather day1 on how others respond to this kind of stuff. And i'm typing this in response to Mulan since i never had the time to respond. In all honesty your reaction was the opposite to mine , while i argued heavily against the jiles lynch you voted in favor. However when rereading day1, you were right we were doing this for the same reason aka , trying to get extra infromation , although it bothers me that you never stopped pushing jiles i can see that our idea of the lois push was the same. So i will currently i do not read you as scum. However i disagree on your read of wilbird currently.

Also fuck sake every time i try to post there are new posts

My other scumreads were barely online to push in all fairness (yourself included.)

Jiles had horrible lines, sloppy thrown-together reads, no pushes and there were few alternatives because the entire day was centered on the two of them. Unsurprisingly, he was lynched.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

: ) you broke character. Well it is making me think you are disguiser; any chance you could change schtick to something else, or convince me disguiser isn't possible or likely?

Fuck off_

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

I also want to respond to Bart's read list.

On one hand i'm surprised , because frankly nobody here has me at the top. and i'm happy to see somebody appreciates my posts.

On the other hand i'm pretty wary since i've defended Bart D1 and i'm unsure if he's buddying.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

In case anyone wants to do vote count analysis. I'm working through a reread and to add more context to the votes.

Spoiler : Compiled Vote Counts :

The beginning of the Lois-Jiles event
S-FM Jiles Carballo (1):
S-FM Lois Francklyn
S-FM Arnarld Quinne (2):
S-FM Marlwyn Janson, S-FM Marck Wilbird
S-FM Rotholfo Goncales (1):
S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Billigan Holbird (1):
S-FM Arnarld Quinne

458 Billigan votes Lois- "cluttering the thread"

468 Jiles votes Lois- "first game as exec/ scum to push as mislynch"

S-FM Jiles Carballo (2):
S-FM Lois Francklyn, S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Edoua Maije (1):
S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marck Wilbird (1):
S-FM Arnarld Quinne
S-FM Lois Francklyn (4):
S-FM Marck Wilbird, S-FM Billigan Holbird, S-FM Jiles Carballo, S-FM Lembird Oshay

(Missing quite a few vote counts here.. part when Lois replaces out and trains switch. Do add them in if you wish to do analysis.)

Day end
S-FM Jiles Carballo (2):
S-FM Lois Francklyn, S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Edoua Maije (1):
S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marck Wilbird (1):
S-FM Arnarld Quinne
S-FM Lois Francklyn (5):
S-FM Marck Wilbird, S-FM Billigan Holbird, S-FM Jiles Carballo, S-FM Lembird Oshay, S-FM Bart Pilfter

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

BIRD GANG

This, and Lembird just jumped up from my neutral status. Not quite to town, but not far from it.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

To clarify my Reads list. Where you come chronologically in the list has no bearing on how town or scum I think you are. The only distinctions are GREEN and RED and WEAK and STRONG.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

This, and Lembird just jumped up from my neutral status. Not quite to town, but not far from it.

i thought i was null to you

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

In case anyone wants to do vote count analysis. I'm working through a reread and to add more context to the votes.

Spoiler : Compiled Vote Counts :

The beginning of the Lois-Jiles event
S-FM Jiles Carballo (1):
S-FM Lois Francklyn
S-FM Arnarld Quinne (2):
S-FM Marlwyn Janson, S-FM Marck Wilbird
S-FM Rotholfo Goncales (1):
S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Billigan Holbird (1):
S-FM Arnarld Quinne

458 Billigan votes Lois- "cluttering the thread"

468 Jiles votes Lois- "first game as exec/ scum to push as mislynch"

S-FM Jiles Carballo (2):
S-FM Lois Francklyn, S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Edoua Maije (1):
S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marck Wilbird (1):
S-FM Arnarld Quinne
S-FM Lois Francklyn (4):
S-FM Marck Wilbird, S-FM Billigan Holbird, S-FM Jiles Carballo, S-FM Lembird Oshay

(Missing quite a few vote counts here.. part when Lois replaces out and trains switch. Do add them in if you wish to do analysis.)

Day end
S-FM Jiles Carballo (2):
S-FM Lois Francklyn, S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Edoua Maije (1):
S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marck Wilbird (1):
S-FM Arnarld Quinne
S-FM Lois Francklyn (5):
S-FM Marck Wilbird, S-FM Billigan Holbird, S-FM Jiles Carballo, S-FM Lembird Oshay, S-FM Bart Pilfter

Waitt, theres a glaring mistake, but if you're reading it you would know how to fix it anyway :]

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

jan your chasing ghosts

I'll follow your advice. But right now my Eye of Sauron is on Dr. Quacksworth and Mulan. I'll wait for a response on my reply to Mulan before doing my next hasty action.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

This, and Lembird just jumped up from my neutral status. Not quite to town, but not far from it.

I'm confused as to why this post would make you thinking anything of any player.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

bart, do me a favor dearie and respond to my two posts about why i think your read on me is completely disingenuous

I'm still looking for your post again to respond to it hold up

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

My other scumreads were barely online to push in all fairness (yourself included.)

Jiles had horrible lines, sloppy thrown-together reads, no pushes and there were few alternatives because the entire day was centered on the two of them. Unsurprisingly, he was lynched.

Yeah sadly i couldn't make EoD and honestly i don't know how long i'm gonna last day. Maybe thats why i feel Jiles was lynched to early. But EoD would've been 6 pm european time and this thread is dead at that hour.
When i look back , and i know defending a bad lynch is worthless , but the guy just looked hopeless. And i understand thats why people felt he needed to go , at that point any info is better than none.
I'm just looking at the votes and if he's truly town , i know there is scum in there

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

What I'm wondering is if so many of you scum read me right now, where are the votes?

Pile them up boys. Put your votes where your mouths are.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

i thought i was null to you

Still are, but you are less netural. This imo was your first helpful thing you said to me all game, and it is coming at a moment when I'm highly suspicious of Mulan and Dr. Quacksworth, both of who broke ranks from their friendly status with me at the same time.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

SQUAWK LETS GO

TAKE OVER THIS NEST, SQUAWK

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Coming to his defense very soon after considering me locked? Answer this, if we don't know what he is and there is a HIGH probability he will be cked tonight by Coroner and YOU KNOW I have always operated under strict logic up to now, why would I make such a blatantly bad assumption and continue to run with it? I mean, for all we know the coroner has already cked him, and could reveal publicly today what his role was? Does the coroner want to speak up?

I really don't understand what you're saying with this.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

What I'm wondering is if so many of you scum read me right now, where are the votes?

Pile them up boys. Put your votes where your mouths are.

I didn't scum read you, in fact, I publicly said I didn't agree with that read on you. And still the vote.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Yeah sadly i couldn't make EoD and honestly i don't know how long i'm gonna last day. Maybe thats why i feel Jiles was lynched to early. But EoD would've been 6 pm european time and this thread is dead at that hour.
When i look back , and i know defending a bad lynch is worthless , but the guy just looked hopeless. And i understand thats why people felt he needed to go , at that point any info is better than none.
I'm just looking at the votes and if he's truly town , i know there is scum in there

If he's town there's probably scum on the train, if he's town there's probably scum on the train

There's a lot of scum and a lot of players. Chances are there were scum on and scum off

This tells us nothing, so I don't know why you keep beating the idea into the ground.

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

What I'm wondering is if so many of you scum read me right now, where are the votes?

Pile them up boys. Put your votes where your mouths are.

you don't give a fuck about votes , its not in your character

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

I really don't understand what you're saying with this.

Ok. Why am I acting so illogical right now assuming he is ensign. Does that fit with your assessment of me thus far? And if not, what is an alternative conclusion?

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I didn't scum read you, in fact, I publicly said I didn't agree with that read on you. And still the vote.

Then your post is confusing af, because now it reads as "I agree with everything except for I disagree with all the scum reads"

Is that what you were trying to say?