M-FM Fringe: Alternate Universe

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

AL: And what if there WAS a transporter and they moved Marksman? Seems an extremely risky play for Zealot, since the Transporter can't target themself.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

AL: And what if there WAS a transporter and they moved Marksman? Seems an extremely risky play for Zealot, since the Transporter can't target themself.

To clarify, a transporter moved Marksman, and Zealot and Moogle moved under their own power. Do you not think Marksman and Moogle would have pushed for his lynch immediately?

[M-FM Zynonymous]

To clarify, a transporter moved Marksman, and Zealot and Moogle moved under their own power. Do you not think Marksman and Moogle would have pushed for his lynch immediately?

Or the other way around.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Or the other way around.

Right.

[M-FM Marksman]

AL: And what if there WAS a transporter and they moved Marksman? Seems an extremely risky play for Zealot, since the Transporter can't target themself.

wtf are you talking about? I haven't been moved.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I missed an "If" in there.

[M-FM Yes]

your posts just made me ??????

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Basically, I was analyzing Zealot's actions from yesterday. If Zealot was able to move under his own power, as an Enhanced Citizen of William Bell, why would he suggest to the transporter to "move me or Marksman". It assumes lack of a transporter in this universe, and that doesn't make sense to me, because it completely falls apart if: A) There is a Transporter, and B) if they target someone other than Zealot to move them.

If Moogle(EC) moves back, Zealot moves under his own power to fake Transporter, and the Transporter moves someone else(Marksman, for example), then it becomes obvious that Zealot was lying, and Marksman and Moogle push for his lynch.

This plan seems too risky for me; its too making too many assumptions and I think Zealot would be more careful than that.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

That said, I'm pretty happy with who we have on the hook right now, and would like to see them squirm some more before we decide to pile on.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Also, in the unlikely event Rhamur did die from Veteran, you might wanna come forward. The Maf know who you are now and will consequently avoid targetting you, so it allows us to sort information out better.

[M-FM Marksman]

Basically, I was analyzing Zealot's actions from yesterday. If Zealot was able to move under his own power, as an Enhanced Citizen of William Bell, why would he suggest to the transporter to "move me or Marksman". It assumes lack of a transporter in this universe, and that doesn't make sense to me, because it completely falls apart if: A) There is a Transporter, and B) if they target someone other than Zealot to move them.

If Moogle(EC) moves back, Zealot moves under his own power to fake Transporter, and the Transporter moves someone else(Marksman, for example), then it becomes obvious that Zealot was lying, and Marksman and Moogle push for his lynch.

This plan seems too risky for me; its too making too many assumptions and I think Zealot would be more careful than that.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here... You don't think Zealot is an enhanced citizen... Ok, none of us really thought he was. Suggesting that the transporter do something does in fact assume there is a transporter in this universe, because if there wasn't they wouldn't be able to read (and thus, be unable to act on) said suggestions. Also I was the one who initially proposed the idea of the transporter in our universe, he just signed himself as a possible envoy to the other universe afterward, so it's not like it was some big gambit by him. And I'm not sure what you're trying to say in point B... No one ever said anything about Zealot being enhanced citizen, and if he's william bell he would obviously ask to be teleported so as to accomplish the following: 1) have a good alibi for switching without being forced into claiming enhanced citizen and 2) simultaneously deny an actual towny the ability to switch by taking up the teleporter's action (which otherwise would have been used on a town player). So that has nothing to do with whether or not he's Bell.

The next bit about Zealot faking transporter is true to an extent- if he was faking, it would be easily discovered if a real transporter exists and didn't target Zealot, which is why if he was Bell, he probably would just choose not to use his own universe jumping ability last night to see if someone is teleported and go from there.

Also, in the unlikely event Rhamur did die from Veteran, you might wanna come forward. The Maf know who you are now and will consequently avoid targetting you, so it allows us to sort information out better.

I disagree that a vet should come forward. Veteran and jailor are the only two roles that can kill Bell at night through his immunity, so even mafia knows who the veteran is, Bell might not and it might get him killed if we're lucky.

Also it just occurred to me that Rhamur's death could be the result of a jailor since we didn't lynch yesterday, though in that case I would be curious who he jailed on n2 since no one was lynched (meaning he could've jailed) but no one died or claimed they had been jailed that night.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Ugh you guys are all so wrong, comletely clueless , yet somebody has to be faking it because he knows what TPRs we have here.

[M-FM Almost Late]

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

[M-FM Almost Late]

We have to be so careful with who we vote, but i think i've found the other TPR. Now the question remains if we have Bell

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here... You don't think Zealot is an enhanced citizen... Ok, none of us really thought he was. Suggesting that the transporter do something does in fact assume there is a transporter in this universe, because if there wasn't they wouldn't be able to read (and thus, be unable to act on) said suggestions. Also I was the one who initially proposed the idea of the transporter in our universe, he just signed himself as a possible envoy to the other universe afterward, so it's not like it was some big gambit by him. And I'm not sure what you're trying to say in point B... No one ever said anything about Zealot being enhanced citizen, and if he's william bell he would obviously ask to be teleported so as to accomplish the following: 1) have a good alibi for switching without being forced into claiming enhanced citizen and 2) simultaneously deny an actual towny the ability to switch by taking up the teleporter's action (which otherwise would have been used on a town player). So that has nothing to do with whether or not he's Bell.

The next bit about Zealot faking transporter is true to an extent- if he was faking, it would be easily discovered if a real transporter exists and didn't target Zealot, which is why if he was Bell, he probably would just choose not to use his own universe jumping ability last night to see if someone is teleported and go from there.





I disagree that a vet should come forward. Veteran and jailor are the only two roles that can kill Bell at night through his immunity, so even mafia knows who the veteran is, Bell might not and it might get him killed if we're lucky.

Also it just occurred to me that Rhamur's death could be the result of a jailor since we didn't lynch yesterday, though in that case I would be curious who he jailed on n2 since no one was lynched (meaning he could've jailed) but no one died or claimed they had been jailed that night.

Again, you're thinking a layer or two deeper than me. Boy is my face red.

[M-FM Marksman]

Ugh you guys are all so wrong, comletely clueless , yet somebody has to be faking it because he knows what TPRs we have here.

wat

We have to be so careful with who we vote, but i think i've found the other TPR. Now the question remains if we have Bell

...?

[M-FM Yes]

Okay. It looks like we're lynching Late today. I'm not really sure what the fuck his last posts were about but it appears they made as little sense to me as they did to Marksman which is reassuring.
I would like everyone to answer this: if we have a vig who should he shoot tonight and why?

[M-FM Yes]

I'm thinking Zyn, Kyoko, or Cruise. In that order.

[M-FM Yes]

Zyn and Kyoko keep hopping in and out but aren't actively helping out or participating. Cruise at least seems to be trying today which is nice to see even if half of his posts don't make any sense. Did Zyn come back with the feedback he was holding onto yet?

[M-FM Yes]

@OrpZed If the universes combine will all of the dead players and roles be visible?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Yeah, looking back, I'm not quite sure what I was thinking last night myself. >.>

[M-FM Almost Late]

My gf is here but since you all cant figure it out. Im your damn transporter and i transported zealot since we shared a chat. Also there is no fucking vig. Unvote me already you wont get a counterclaim i hinted this a million times

[M-FM Marksman]

I would like everyone to answer this: if we have a vig who should he shoot tonight and why?

I'm thinking Zyn, Kyoko, or Cruise. In that order.

Same answer.

Zyn and Kyoko keep hopping in and out but aren't actively helping out or participating. Cruise at least seems to be trying today which is nice to see even if half of his posts don't make any sense. Did Zyn come back with the feedback he was holding onto yet?

Yeah, that was basically my point about Cruise earlier- he at least has been trying all game whereas the others seem to be intentionally not doing much/laying low. No feedback has been given by Zyn afaik

[M-FM Marksman]

-unvote

Alrighty then.

[M-FM Marksman]

My gf is here but since you all cant figure it out. Im your damn transporter and i transported zealot since we shared a chat. Also there is no fucking vig. Unvote me already you wont get a counterclaim i hinted this a million times

How do you know there is no vigilante? You being transporter does not disprove the existence of a vigilante.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

-unvote

Should we pressure Zyn for his feedback?

And what makes AL so sure there isn't a vig?

[M-FM Marksman]

Might as well do this then.

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

[M-FM Almost Late]

Oke say there is a vig let him prove himself by killing zyn. Meanwhile mafia kills me since im an open target now. I would have swapped marksman. Its even stated in my lw but the architect didnt know my role so i thought ill make a super play. Shame zealot is mia

[M-FM Almost Late]

I still think bell might be here. Voting zyn is fine too ofcourse.

[M-FM Almost Late]

I simplt assume there is no vigi since he shot very late. Its possible but why shoot n3

[M-FM Almost Late]

If a vigi claim comes ill reconsider

[M-FM Yes]

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

lol why would vig claim now? that would be completely retarded

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If Zyn flips scum, I suspect that we'll just be hunting Bell if nobody else warps over.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

As for who Vig should shoot, I'd say Zyn, Kyoko, or Yes, in that order. Although unless they've got a really strong train on the other side, I don't think Zyn will be around for the Vig.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

It's worth noting I'm much less certain about Yes than I am about Kyoko and Zyn at this moment. But Marksman has my trust as I said earlier, I'm not going to advocate my own death, and Almost isn't worth killing without a counterclaim from someone.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Okay. It looks like we're lynching Late today. I'm not really sure what the fuck his last posts were about but it appears they made as little sense to me as they did to Marksman which is reassuring.
I would like everyone to answer this: if we have a vig who should he shoot tonight and why?

There is no vig. If there was a vig he would have shot n1. Pretending there was one, he should consider shooting Cruise or Zyn, if Zyn doesn't claim some crazy feedback and the other side lynches.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

lol why would vig claim now? that would be completely retarded

Possible witch in this setup, which makes it completely retarded.

-vote M-FM Zynonymous

Let's see what happens.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I don't know how many charges Moogle has, but I hope he doesn't come back.
Zealot has like a real life heart attack, is scum, or is dead at this point. So I think other than a Bell shock, Moogle probably made it over.
I've got town reads on everyone except Zynonymous and Cruise. So in light of this, I think transporter should still send people over until he has like one charge left.

Might need to steal Bell over to this side at some point.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Can you explain why we would want to send people OUT of this universe, and then bring Bell into a depleted, low population universe and practically hand him a win?

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Might need to steal Bell over to this side at some point.

I don't get the need for moving anyone except for town between universes either.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I would like everyone to answer this: if we have a vig who should he shoot tonight and why?

I still don't trust Almost, Kyoko, Zyn, or Yes. In that order. That would be my vote.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Can you explain why we would want to send people OUT of this universe, and then bring Bell into a depleted, low population universe and practically hand him a win?

How is our universe low population?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I still don't trust Almost, Kyoko, Zyn, or Yes. In that order. That would be my vote.

Never saw a scum read on me from you, when did you begin scum reading me? You should also realize you listed four people. So I guess this is your self-examination?
Claim feedback.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I still don't trust Almost, Kyoko, Zyn, or Yes. In that order. That would be my vote.

hint hint

[M-FM Zynonymous]

So I guess this is your self-examination?

But of course, you need to step outside your own shoes to see the big picture. I can see how scummy I look, but not sure the best way of repealing myself at this point.

[M-FM Yes]

But of course, you need to step outside your own shoes to see the big picture. I can see how scummy I look, but not sure the best way of repealing myself at this point.

still waiting on your feedback

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Claim feedback.

I'm not sure if I'll live past today or tonight, so I might as well fuss up.

We have a bus driver as I was told that I took a ride last night. It could be in either universe. Quite possibly in the next universe, as I don't see why they would have targetted me last night.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I'm not sure if I'll live past today or tonight, so I might as well fuss up.

We have a bus driver as I was told that I took a ride last night. It could be in either universe. Quite possibly in the next universe, as I don't see why they would have targetted me last night.

Given the number of power roles already known to be town(Transporter, Doctor, and WHATEVER killed Rhamur), I have to wonder if that was a Chauffeur instead of a Bus Driver.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Im your damn transporter and i transported zealot since we shared a chat.

I say that this is a despicable lie.