M-FM XXVIII Heaven Descends Upon Thee Gamethread

[M-FM Bertha Anderson]

I need comforting. Someone please feed my Ego.

You suck and aren't good at this game.
That good?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Mind is a mess.

-vote M-FM Fred Robinson

Until further information appears. The fact that you've gotten a list of things must mean something. Though it does say Night One. I guess we are left to guess if you did or did not do Night Two.
What if that was the fake God you jailed?

[M-FM Thomas King]

Mind is a mess.

-vote M-FM Fred Robinson

Until further information appears. The fact that you've gotten a list of things must mean something. Though it does say Night One. I guess we are left to guess if you did or did not do Night Two.
What if that was the fake God you jailed?

I was told who Jesus was also. And the soft claims WHICH I ALREADY SAID I'VE SEEN. Fit.

[M-FM Thomas King]

Thank god Harry is here. Harry can you shout at everyone for me?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Have some free Information.

Got the Night 1 Information.

28 charges = Only Mafia killed. Cult did not recruit.
Sinful=7
Protection=4
Strength=2
Blessing=1
Willpower=2
None=2
Me=me <-I take it this was not included in the counts
Escort Dead.

7 sinners, 3 roleblocked claims
Night kill was verified, if Night kill is a sin then 6 sinners unaccounted for

Let's say you believe me being roleblocked and you believe me being marked.
6-2= 4

Let's say Bertha was roleblocked, I think you probably believe it? You weren't attacking him today.
4-2=2

Mary Hughes fakes roleblocked and a sinner does another random action
would account for everything.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Thank god Harry is here. Harry can you shout at everyone for me?

Harry went AWOL day 2 and was replaced in, which was odd.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Thank god Harry is here. Harry can you shout at everyone for me?

Yes.

I fucking hate you lurking cocksuckers and I have no idea why you guys sign up for games and don't play. That shit is flat out disrespectful to every other player in the game as well as the host. Lurking is not a strategy. Its a shitty cop out for people that do not know how to play. This is a game of deception and if you are not going to spin a web of lies and analyze then go play Starcraft 2.

[M-FM Thomas King]

Yes.

I fucking hate you lurking cocksuckers and I have no idea why you guys sign up for games and don't play. That shit is flat out disrespectful to every other player in the game as well as the host. Lurking is not a strategy. Its a shitty cop out for people that do not know how to play. This is a game of deception and if you are not going to spin a web of lies and analyze then go play Starcraft 2.

Me and you. Together. Lets rip this game apart.

[M-FM Thomas King]

Yes.

I fucking hate you lurking cocksuckers and I have no idea why you guys sign up for games and don't play. That shit is flat out disrespectful to every other player in the game as well as the host. Lurking is not a strategy. Its a shitty cop out for people that do not know how to play. This is a game of deception and if you are not going to spin a web of lies and analyze then go play Starcraft 2.

Question. Should we get M-FM Ethel McAllister to claim? They put Night Action over praying for forgiveness.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Also I will point out that I do not believe Fred is GOD. But I also do not believe that in any way makes him scum aligned.

@King
If I was a betting man I would put money that the true GOD you know has not pushed on Fred. You should examine some of Freds comments today and the position he has taken in regards to maintaining GOD's anonymity. I see decent potential there for town play which is something I harped on a few pages back.

On a side note given the pace of chat I am 100% in support of policy lynching a low contribution player today. We have to set a precedence that its an unacceptable play style to motivate some of these slots and I cant say I have any faith in any of the current trains. This lack of faith was reinforced by the fact that when I pushed aggressively against them hardly a single person stood up and pointed to any real reasoning behind them.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Question. Should we get M-FM Ethel McAllister to claim? They put Night Action over praying for forgiveness.

I wouldn't just based off that fact. If we are going to force a claim we should take a bit of time to examine the slot and first find reason to suspect they are not town. Otherwise we could just be revealing TPR's.

On that same note I suppose he is already half revealed with this last post..

[M-FM Walter Livingston]

i want to wait for Fred to give input before I vote for him Thomas or 6 hours more then i'll vote for him. i want to get more info before i vote him but if he doesn't answer i'll have to take your word that he's not god.

also Clarence your vote never changed when you voted last.

[M-FM Walter Livingston]

Also I will point out that I do not believe Fred is GOD. But I also do not believe that in any way makes him scum aligned.

@King
If I was a betting man I would put money that the true GOD you know has not pushed on Fred. You should examine some of Freds comments today and the position he has taken in regards to maintaining GOD's anonymity. I see decent potential there for town play which is something I harped on a few pages back.

On a side note given the pace of chat I am 100% in support of policy lynching a low contribution player today. We have to set a precedence that its an unacceptable play style to motivate some of these slots and I cant say I have any faith in any of the current trains. This lack of faith was reinforced by the fact that when I pushed aggressively against them hardly a single person stood up and pointed to any real reasoning behind them.

who do you suspect would be a good lynch?

[M-FM Walter Livingston]

here is the current vote list:

M-FM Fred Robinson (2):
M-FM Ethel McAllister, M-FM Thomas King
M-FM Lillian Brady (3):
M-FM Margaret Smith, M-FM Florence Palmer, M-FM Ernest Mitchell
M-FM Roy Larkins (3):
M-FM David Graham, M-FM Fred Robinson, M-FM Lillian Brady
M-FM Florence Palmer (1):
M-FM Clarence Shephard
M-FM Ethel McAllister (1):
M-FM Harry Smith

see the current problem? 9 votes have been casted that leaves 10 votes, i will assume we have 3 people that haven't voted and probably won't vote over the course of the game. this gives us: 19 - 9 - 3 = 7, if everyone keeps there vote we can only lynch Lillian or Roy with some difficulty. splitting our votes is only going help not to lynch a person.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

who do you suspect would be a good lynch?

I will start reading through the game. I had no intention of doing so today but I suppose I don't have a choice.

see the current problem? 9 votes have been casted that leaves 10 votes, i will assume we have 3 people that haven't voted and probably won't vote over the course of the game. this gives us: 19 - 9 - 3 = 7, if everyone keeps there vote we can only lynch Lillian or Roy with some difficulty. splitting our votes is only going help not to lynch a person.

I understand your point. But our only real weapon as town is our day chat. With us pitted against both a cult conversion as well as a vote block+KPN we have to effectively use chat to have any chance. If we can not do that we have no chance. Getting off that 1 lynch a day is totally worthless if we are not able to analyze players and build reasoning which is where we are really hurting. Everything seems totally focused on sifting through GOD claims and RB feedback. I still have to maintain my position that I would rather loose the game due to low contribution players than force myself to play like shit. We can not control other players participation but we can push to create solid reasoning that can be used to guide a low activity player base in the right direction.

If this is a pattern that keeps up we could always ask the host if we could extend future day cycles to keep the game from falling apart although that is something that makes me uncomfortable.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

A=People can lie aboutroles when they are when captured.
B=I was marked last night; iirc we had a claim earlier claiming marked last night correct. If so that claim is false and the claimer is scum.
C=@King, Congratulations you have just admitted that you confirmed your prayer then proceeded not to pray.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

@Bertha, Larkins was supposed to pray Protection then blessing. I had no number that had this order of prayers therefore I can assume that he is a no-prayer. He did not claim roleblock or anything else that would prevent him from praying.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

@King, we had no kill last night; Why do you automatically assume the person that you captured was truthful?

[M-FM Harry Smith]

@King, we had no kill last night; Why do you automatically assume the person that you captured was truthful?

I am curious about this as well. And very much more specifically interested in if GOD told you how many charges he has left + how many he used.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

7 sinners, 3 roleblocked claims
Night kill was verified, if Night kill is a sin then 6 sinners unaccounted for

Let's say you believe me being roleblocked and you believe me being marked.
6-2= 4

Let's say Bertha was roleblocked, I think you probably believe it? You weren't attacking him today.
4-2=2

Mary Hughes fakes roleblocked and a sinner does another random action
would account for everything.

Anyway, no one counted on my poor maths. I did the math again (just some simple addition and subtraction, I missed a person sinning where I was roleblocked). I'm moving my vote back onto Roy Larkins as there is no Jesus/God duo claiming to confirm this jailor's talk. Truth be told, you could have captured the head Atheist or anybody else.

-vote M-FM Roy Larkins

This may be a form of retaliation, but you failed to read day 2 where it pertains to me. How can I be sure you actually read into the soft claims? You're still missing night 2 pray-o-meter as well.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

I am curious about this as well. And very much more specifically interested in if GOD told you how many charges he has left + how many he used.

Although to be fair I suppose I could throw this same question at Fred. I would honestly rather you just recant that GOD claim though. Its obvious and somewhat derailing in an unproductive way.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

I am curious about this as well. And very much more specifically interested in if GOD told you how many charges he has left + how many he used.

Why did he only answer one prayer?
How did you know there was no atheist conversion?
I work with what is in front of me. Not what is not yet revealed.

You still haven't justified yourself not giving me leeway while lying yourself. You've pushed in rather odd places. Why push Bertha instead of Lilian Brady/Mary Hughes?
How are you so attached to Harry Smith already? Harry Smith, in my eyes, just joined the game. (You should read D1 and D2 ASAP, they are dreadfully short.)

[M-FM Thomas King]

I am curious about this as well. And very much more specifically interested in if GOD told you how many charges he has left + how many he used.

He used two charges. On Protections.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Why did he only answer one prayer?
How did you know there was no atheist conversion?
I work with what is in front of me. Not what is not yet revealed.

You still haven't justified yourself not giving me leeway while lying yourself. You've pushed in rather odd places. Why push Bertha instead of Lilian Brady/Mary Hughes?
How are you so attached to Harry Smith already? Harry Smith, in my eyes, just joined the game. (You should read D1 and D2 ASAP, they are dreadfully short.)

The above post is actually supposed to be directed towards Thomas King.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Although to be fair I suppose I could throw this same question at Fred. I would honestly rather you just recant that GOD claim though. Its obvious and somewhat derailing in an unproductive way.

Why would I recant a claim after revealing.

I am already marked as well.

I'm also curious about why king thought that god and jesus would softclaim d1. Softclaiming the roles necessary for town to win seems to be a pretty dumb move if you are actually those roles which is why I purposely tried to make scum wifom as much as possible with my "my role should be pretty obvious now" stick.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

He used two charges. On Protections.

This is incorrect.

I would vote you, but my vote is on Roy Larkins already.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

This is incorrect.

I would vote you, but my vote is on Roy Larkins already.

Nevermind, this is incorrect. I was hasty.

[M-FM Thomas King]

Why did he only answer one prayer?
How did you know there was no atheist conversion?
I work with what is in front of me. Not what is not yet revealed.

You still haven't justified yourself not giving me leeway while lying yourself. You've pushed in rather odd places. Why push Bertha instead of Lilian Brady/Mary Hughes?
How are you so attached to Harry Smith already? Harry Smith, in my eyes, just joined the game. (You should read D1 and D2 ASAP, they are dreadfully short.)

He answered Two Prayers of Protection.
Charge Count was 28 after night one. There was one Town death. Which is -2 from charge. If someone was converted n1 it would be another -2/
My Leway is Justified by the fact that I made use of my night action. I had not previously sinned and already Proved I can pray. You dear, have no proof you can pray.
Harry Smith insulted the game. It pleased me.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Nevermind, this is incorrect. I was hasty.

Your incorrect about being incorrect?

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Your incorrect about being incorrect?

I was incorrect at calling someone else incorrect.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

He answered Two Prayers of Protection.
Charge Count was 28 after night one. There was one Town death. Which is -2 from charge. If someone was converted n1 it would be another -2/
My Leway is Justified by the fact that I made use of my night action. I had not previously sinned and already Proved I can pray. You dear, have no proof you can pray.
Harry Smith insulted the game. It pleased me.

A=God can't pray to himself.

B=Are players had to pray twice for their slot to be confirmed. If players only prayed once then we have 0 confirmation on their slot.

C=You confirmed praying if I recalled on d2 as well and now you claim to have used a night action therefore admitting you have lied and messed up the plan?

d=@anyone who was able to and didn't follow through with prayers;If you had objections to the plan or wouldn't follow it it should have been brought up d1. Doing this half-way only praying 1 night stuff makes the plan fail.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Just to be blunt- King has hard claimed a conformable town power role that can not be faked. I pretty much view that slot as semi confirmed town for now and would also push that she has execution capability to counter our lynch issues. Her motives should be unquestionable for the time being..

[M-FM Harry Smith]

He answered Two Prayers of Protection.
Charge Count was 28 after night one. There was one Town death. Which is -2 from charge. If someone was converted n1 it would be another -2/
My Leway is Justified by the fact that I made use of my night action. I had not previously sinned and already Proved I can pray. You dear, have no proof you can pray.
Harry Smith insulted the game. It pleased me.

I can verify that I had a Prayer of Protection granted to me.

[M-FM Thomas King]

A=God can't pray to himself.

B=Are players had to pray twice for their slot to be confirmed. If players only prayed once then we have 0 confirmation on their slot.

C=You confirmed praying if I recalled on d2 as well and now you claim to have used a night action therefore admitting you have lied and messed up the plan?

d=@anyone who was able to and didn't follow through with prayers;If you had objections to the plan or wouldn't follow it it should have been brought up d1. Doing this half-way only praying 1 night stuff makes the plan fail.

A= When did I say god Prayed to himself

B= Please refer to my Coasters post. You are assuming that in a high lurking game that everyone will follow the plan.

C=I prayed n1, n2 I jailed instead on a hunch, which whilst incorrect, turned out to be more positive. Plus , I realised my role is completely comfirmable, and my inaction of not praying would show who I was anyway.

My action benefited. Deal with it.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

@king.

Not only have you lied about your actions and derailed the plan. By capturing you have also derailed other people who were trying to follow the plan, but I am assuming you captured a scum since they claimed god or were just trying to wifom you in case you had been converted, which actually seems reasonable.

@Harry we have a cult than can convert tprs and tprs keep actions. No role(at least as far as allignment goes) except god and jesus are confirmable in this setup

[M-FM Thomas King]

Honestly, at this point Fred. Your claim is fake. You have lied.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Have some free Information.

Got the Night 1 Information.

28 charges = Only Mafia killed. Cult did not recruit.
Sinful=7
Protection=4
Strength=2
Blessing=1
Willpower=2
None=2
Me=me
Escort Dead.

Note, Im not sure how serious the host is on copy and pasting the information, so I've done it like this to be safe. Awaiting confirmation from DW.

Unless God refutes this list, it secures in my fears that town was not praying in the way they should have. Plan is dead.
Harry Smith, the chance of us hitting scum in the one of three roleblocks without any analysis is of course 33%
If Fred is playing a gambit, I would go along with it, since Roy Larkins is un-retuably scummy.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

A= When did I say god Prayed to himself

B= Please refer to my Coasters post. You are assuming that in a high lurking game that everyone will follow the plan.

C=I prayed n1, n2 I jailed instead on a hunch, which whilst incorrect, turned out to be more positive. Plus , I realised my role is completely comfirmable, and my inaction of not praying would show who I was anyway.

when there are 13 people and they all do /confirm plan and there are also 13 town


My action benefited. Deal with it.

when there are 13 people and they all do /confirm plan and there are also 13 town

Yes, I do tend to think that people will do what they say. As williams said anything about not following the plan should have been brought up at the start.

You said that I have yet to prove I am a role that can pray. However, I am god so therefore I can't pray to myself. I have no counterclaims aswell.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

@king.

Not only have you lied about your actions and derailed the plan. By capturing you have also derailed other people who were trying to follow the plan, but I am assuming you captured a scum since they claimed god or were just trying to wifom you in case you had been converted, which actually seems reasonable.

@Harry we have a cult than can convert tprs and tprs keep actions. No role(at least as far as allignment goes) except god and jesus are confirmable in this setup

Priest
At night preach to two people. Preventing them from being converted to Athiestism that night.
You may instead Capture someone
You may only Capture following days in which a player was not lynched.
They are removed from any night chat the following night.
They are prevented from acting that night, regardless of Immunity to role block.
They are prevented from taking damage from kills and/or being converted to athiestism or being possessed by the Antichrist
You may anonymous interrogate them.
You may perform an Exorcism
You have 2 charges of excorcism
Exorcisms bypass all Invulnerability.
Captives are released at the start of the next day.
You may not Capture yourself.
You may not be converted to Athiestism.
When under the possession of the Antichrist, the Antichrist receives a complete transcript of what was said if you captured anyone. And your preaches instead roleblock.

Your actions will never be considered a sin.

Just... No....

[M-FM Thomas King]

@king.

Not only have you lied about your actions and derailed the plan. By capturing you have also derailed other people who were trying to follow the plan, but I am assuming you captured a scum since they claimed god or were just trying to wifom you in case you had been converted, which actually seems reasonable.

@Harry we have a cult than can convert tprs and tprs keep actions. No role(at least as far as allignment goes) except god and jesus are confirmable in this setup

I cannot be converted. And their God claim is true. Unless you can prove otherwise.

The God claim has been confirmed by Harrysmith. Since his Prayer was answered.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Unless God refutes this list, it secures in my fears that town was not praying in the way they should have. Plan is dead.
Harry Smith, the chance of us hitting scum in the one of three roleblocks without any analysis is of course 33%
If Fred is playing a gambit, I would go along with it, since Roy Larkins is un-retuably scummy.

Interesting point. What makes you think there is a 33% chance of nailing a scum in the RB claims? I could almost call this a scum slip. You have to have an informed perspective to know that information.

[M-FM Thomas King]

Unless God refutes this list, it secures in my fears that town was not praying in the way they should have. Plan is dead.
Harry Smith, the chance of us hitting scum in the one of three roleblocks without any analysis is of course 33%
If Fred is playing a gambit, I would go along with it, since Roy Larkins is un-retuably scummy.

Roy Larkins openly claimed Citizen because he was an Idiot and thought he could not pray because his rolecard didn't specify it.

Something I've noticed when scum, is Town people make these mistakes that only a town would make.

You are PREFERRING someone who isnt here, over someone who is CLEARLY LYING.

[M-FM Thomas King]

Interesting point. What makes you think there is a 33% chance of nailing a scum in the RB claims? I could almost call this a scum slip. You have to have an informed perspective to know that information.

Pressingly the reason I targeted Bethal since she claimed it was, and only the escort who blocked her the first time.

[M-FM Thomas King]

I would rather save my Exorcism later, and lynch Fred. I will be killing him tonight.

[M-FM Ethel McAllister]

Interesting point. What makes you think there is a 33% chance of nailing a scum in the RB claims? I could almost call this a scum slip. You have to have an informed perspective to know that information.

Go read day 2. It is not a scum slip. Three people claimed to have been roleblocked yesterday, taken together with the pra-o-meter of Thomas King, there is probably only one of them lying.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Roy Larkins openly claimed Citizen because he was an Idiot and thought he could not pray because his rolecard didn't specify it.

Something I've noticed when scum, is Town people make these mistakes that only a town would make.

You are PREFERRING someone who isnt here, over someone who is CLEARLY LYING.

You should at least consider the situation of your Jailed GOD being fake and Fred being real. There is a lot to sort through there and one thing that is bothering me is how Fred came out and said one specific player did not pray. Looking at the GOD rolecard I see
"At day start, you are informed of what person prays for what, you may answer any of these prayers.
You receive a list of 20 numbers, people will be anomanously marked as this."
This suggests that GOD does not see the name of who prays but rather that he is fed the results of praying in anon slots that he has to match up to accounts.. This is why I strongly suspected that Fred was faking that claim and asked him to recant but he seems dead set on hard claiming. There are a few situations that could point to but I wont go into it now..

[M-FM Thomas King]

Fred needs to be pressured. Make this scum sweat. The fact he is refusing to draw back his claim only makes him the more scummy.

[M-FM Fred Robinson]

Unless God refutes this list, it secures in my fears that town was not praying in the way they should have. Plan is dead.
Harry Smith, the chance of us hitting scum in the one of three roleblocks without any analysis is of course 33%
If Fred is playing a gambit, I would go along with it, since Roy Larkins is un-retuably scummy.

Plan already mostly failed, I already started to see that d2 and now on d3 its just garbage for the most part. It does appear that town did not follow through in what they said they would do.

@King, Why are you believing the jailed person claims. Jesus is not counterclaiming me because I am god.

List is wrong. I refuse to devulge prayers recieved as it allows scum to pray for other people and mess up system for reasons stated earlier such as praying for other people.

[M-FM Thomas King]

You should at least consider the situation of your Jailed GOD being fake and Fred being real. There is a lot to sort through there and one thing that is bothering me is how Fred came out and said one specific player did not pray. Looking at the GOD rolecard I see
"At day start, you are informed of what person prays for what, you may answer any of these prayers.
You receive a list of 20 numbers, people will be anomanously marked as this."
This suggests that GOD does not see the name of who prays but rather that he is fed the results of praying in anon slots that he has to match up to accounts.. This is why I strongly suspected that Fred was faking that claim and asked him to recant but he seems dead set on hard claiming. There are a few situations that could point to but I wont go into it now..

Yes. God receives a list of numbers, not names.

[M-FM Harry Smith]

Go read day 2. It is not a scum slip. Three people claimed to have been roleblocked yesterday, taken together with the pra-o-meter of Thomas King, there is probably only one of them lying.

That is not what I am saying.

For all we know the host could have loaded in 3 escorts on the town side. Or a bunch of the scum side. We have no way of knowing how many of what roles there are out there. For you to say there is a 33% chance of nailing a scum in the RB claim either requires a massive logic jump or for you to have additional information that would be most easily obtained through a night chat. It makes no sense for you to pull that 33% out of nowhere without additional information.