FM XXI: Day 5

[Old FM Poland]

I am a Culted Sheriff, we culted the arms dealer night 1. We have only failed one conversion, on FM Cyprus. That is all I have to say.

[Old FM USA]

Yeah, I really doubt it. And I would hate to see that ML was right, lol.

Since you are ventriloquist perhaps you would like to say something to all neutrals in here?

Scum move

[Old FM Brazil]

There is no cultist. Poland just wants to die. I won't help.

[Old FM Poland]

There is no cultist. Poland just wants to die. I won't help.

I will arrange for you to die tonight.

[Old FM Kenya]

I can see Poland has given up on his own survival.

Tell you what. Since everyone is so convinced that Poland is scum, I will propose the following deal for whoever wishes to accept it:

If anyone can provide me an explanation as to how scum!Poland intended to use his sheriff claim to further his own win condition in such a way that it doesn't also risk him losing or making his faction weaker, I will change my vote to Poland.

If however, I can show how your theory would actually put scum!Poland's win condition in jeopardy and/or have a greater chance to weaken him/his faction rather than strengthen it, then you must vote Germany.

If Germany chooses to accept this challenge and I win, then he must simply unvote Poland.

If you accept start your post with -accept, followed by your reasoning behind why scum!Poland fake claimed Sheriff and how it will serve his win condition.

Note: Jester/executioner are not considered scum for the purposes of this challenge, as lynching them would be detrimental/non-beneficial to the town and therefore are invalid in an argument for why Poland should be lynched.

[Old FM Kenya]

I think you should at least exclude Japan, Japan fished out England. Are you confident that England is actually Operator and Arabia/You were swapped?

Nope. England is probably scum. And I'm pretty sure others said this before Japan, but if you can prove otherwise I may reconsider my position on him.

You think poland is going to flip town? Are you on drugs?

I have not yet seen a single convincing argument from how any scum would benefit from claiming sheriff, so yes, I think he's town by process of elimination.

But think about it, if you only have 4 scum, then poland train has L-2-4 = L-6
Still ahead of Germany L-7
You should vote poland instead.

Just because a number of town are also following the scum train, doesn't change the fact that it's a scum train.

-.- I can't even go to bed with all hell breaking loose.

Flipping Poland will give us info on Brazil and Kenya as well as a ton of info on train derailments.

We'd get more from lynching Germany.

Yeah, I really doubt it. And I would hate to see that ML was right, lol.

Since you are ventriloquist perhaps you would like to say something to all neutrals in here?

Scummiest post ever.

[Old FM Iran]

@Kenya: Why do you think about Poland in vacuum? Sure, it maybe makes little sense to act as a Sheriff without any pressure, but that's the point - Poland became center of attention pretty fast and of course he had to do something about it and maximize the damage. His counterclaim almost made Egypt lynched. His "guilty result" on Korea also could lead to a mislynch. And now he was probably going for another try.

The thing is his change of language pattern is pretty obvious toDay and I think ventriloquist would be a bit smarter than that. I wouldn't be surprised if Poland flips Mafia after all, I don't see any convincing argument to completely shut down that possibility. I'm leaning neutral on him though.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Just woke up. Headache after reading. Stop screwing my morning. Post later.

[Old FM Iran]

Hey, Fiji, what's up?

[Old FM Brazil]

I will arrange for you to die tonight.

Try it. Lmao.
Non ghost or vent can't possess me, for you can not solve me code.
Jester with no credit can neither kill me.
Serve me at night but I have back up that you don't have.
Muhahahahahahahahaha

[Old FM Kenya]

@Kenya: Why do you think about Poland in vacuum? Sure, it maybe makes little sense to act as a Sheriff without any pressure, but that's the point - Poland became center of attention pretty fast and of course he had to do something about it and maximize the damage. His counterclaim almost made Egypt lynched. His "guilty result" on Korea also could lead to a mislynch. And now he was probably going for another try.

The thing is his change of language pattern is pretty obvious toDay and I think ventriloquist would be a bit smarter than that. I wouldn't be surprised if Poland flips Mafia after all, I don't see any convincing argument to completely shut down that possibility. I'm leaning neutral on him though.

You did not type "-accept" at the beginning of your post. If this was a mistake, please reply with "-accept".

[Old FM Brazil]

Nope. England is probably scum. And I'm pretty sure others said this before Japan, but if you can prove otherwise I may reconsider my position on him.

Well, no mafia will undermine another mafia with actual critical emphasis. That is the point.
Mafia is not capable of discrediting their own member with solid accusing, unless they per-decided to use that member as gambit.

If it doesn't convince you, then at least issue proper credit to those whose action deserves.

[Old FM Brazil]

If anyone can provide me an explanation as to how scum!Poland intended to use his sheriff claim to further his own win condition in such a way that it doesn't also risk him losing or making his faction weaker, I will change my vote to Poland.

No one can handle the challenge, this poland lynch train is proven a showdown of weak town playing.

[Old FM Kenya]

I'm disappointed that I have no takers on my challenge. I am going to take this to mean that the scum voting Poland know I'm right and have neither the desire nor the evidence to prove me wrong. Shame, really.

[Old FM Brazil]

Town is inactive anyway. I'm not going to help the poland lynch.
Nonmafia doesn't worth lynch.
If mafia is going to win, I won't help them win, because of my win condition.

I hope poisoned people are the active ones too.

Theoretically, scums are often slightly more active than towns.
Because town people think individually they can make a difference without knowing each other,
but mafia knows that even if they have network, they still have to work to win.

[Old FM Brazil]

Remember my code. If I'm vented or ghosted then you will know.

[Old FM Poland]

Farewell my good friends, I know I will not survive until the morning, carry on my friends, and journey to victory!

[Old FM Colombia]

Try it. Lmao.
Non ghost or vent can't possess me, for you can not solve me code.
Jester with no credit can neither kill me.
Serve me at night but I have back up that you don't have.
Muhahahahahahahahaha

Do you think I care about a code? Look at what happened with Egypt.

[Old FM Poland]

Oh ya, I forgot ghost should possess the mason leader so we another vote, if my calculations are correct that will give scum dominance tomorrow.

[Old FM Sweden]

@Kenya: Why do you think about Poland in vacuum? Sure, it maybe makes little sense to act as a Sheriff without any pressure, but that's the point - Poland became center of attention pretty fast and of course he had to do something about it and maximize the damage. His counterclaim almost made Egypt lynched. His "guilty result" on Korea also could lead to a mislynch. And now he was probably going for another try.

The thing is his change of language pattern is pretty obvious toDay and I think ventriloquist would be a bit smarter than that. I wouldn't be surprised if Poland flips Mafia after all, I don't see any convincing argument to completely shut down that possibility. I'm leaning neutral on him though.

This is one of your takers Kenya.
Additionally Polands actions since revealing have not been town like posts at all. He failed his sheriff read on South Korea as well.

[Old FM Argentina]

40 minutes left until the end of the day, lynch on germany isn't going to happen

-vote FM Poland

[Old FM Ireland]

Sorry about not showing up until now. I have had problems at home going on in the family. Tomorrow I will be a lot more active.

-vote FM Poland

I have read some of the pages.

[Old FM Kenya]

This is one of your takers Kenya.
Additionally Polands actions since revealing have not been town like posts at all. He failed his sheriff read on South Korea as well.

No, he didn't post "-accept". I cannot refute anyone who does not accept because then there is nothing binding them to change their vote.

[Old FM Kenya]

40 minutes left until the end of the day, lynch on germany isn't going to happen

-vote FM Poland

There are 10 people viewing. So, it could still happen if people would actually stop lurking and vote Germany.

[Old FM Brazil]

Do you think I care about a code? Look at what happened with Egypt.

I have no idea how many of you guys seriously wants to lynch Egypt just "to get more information".
I assume you are not the same Colombia.
It is as if you have a golden goose laying golden eggs, but instead, people kill the goose to see if it is a female inside.

[Old FM Argentina]

I can see Poland has given up on his own survival.

Tell you what. Since everyone is so convinced that Poland is scum, I will propose the following deal for whoever wishes to accept it:

If anyone can provide me an explanation as to how scum!Poland intended to use his sheriff claim to further his own win condition in such a way that it doesn't also risk him losing or making his faction weaker, I will change my vote to Poland.

If however, I can show how your theory would actually put scum!Poland's win condition in jeopardy and/or have a greater chance to weaken him/his faction rather than strengthen it, then you must vote Germany.

If Germany chooses to accept this challenge and I win, then he must simply unvote Poland.

If you accept start your post with -accept, followed by your reasoning behind why scum!Poland fake claimed Sheriff and how it will serve his win condition.

Note: Jester/executioner are not considered scum for the purposes of this challenge, as lynching them would be detrimental/non-beneficial to the town and therefore are invalid in an argument for why Poland should be lynched.

Slightly weakening mafia is fine for him because it assures his survival until the end game. He can't win with mafia if he's dead. In fact, if he's poisoner, ensuring his survival to the end helps mafia as long as he doesn't do any cross kills. Mafia don't stand a chance if they can't maintain a high KPN.

[Old FM Brazil]

Thanks Ireland.
I'm waiting for India, Fiji.
If Poland is a jester, maybe it is also a good time to kill couple inactive ones.

[Old FM Iran]

If Poland is Jester I recommend killing India for being incredibly bad.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

I am a Culted Sheriff, we culted the arms dealer night 1. We have only failed one conversion, on FM Cyprus. That is all I have to say.

If this is this case, there's a stupidly easy answer to this.
We either lynch Germany or don't lynch at all.
Reason being that this could easily be Jester talk to try to get that last push to lynch him. Masons, try to recruit him and if he truly is cult then he's dead anyway. Then we can know for 100% sure if he's lying or not. If he's indeed Cult, and we saw how Iran got a gun, that would mean Iran is apart of Cult. Also, I believe that would mean Cyprus would be mafian because of the inability to be converted and no killing him right back. However, this is speculation based off of a post made by someone we all pretty much consider scum. There is absolutely no way he's town. However, at this point, I'd consider the chance that he's Jester too high. Why would he reveal his status as cult and give us information that hinders his own team? He wouldn't if he seriously is Cult. This lynch is only going to result in a Jester death sentence.
Germany has been proving his scummy behavior throughout the whole game, only coming in to defend himself with half assed posts or trolling (even know with Colombia), so he's either stupid bulletproof, who not to mention doesn't even know his role, or scum. Also, it's worth pointing out Ghost was at some point on this train, so he must think Poland as detrimental to non-town.

-vote FM Germany

It seems like the most logical answer at this point, I feel that we could 100% confirm tonight if he's telling the truth or not. We know for sure at least Germany's not in cult for sure at least, but I still believe Germany could definitely be scum.

[Old FM Argentina]

If this is this case, there's a stupidly easy answer to this.
We either lynch Germany or don't lynch at all.
Reason being that this could easily be Jester talk to try to get that last push to lynch him. Masons, try to recruit him and if he truly is cult then he's dead anyway. Then we can know for 100% sure if he's lying or not. If he's indeed Cult, and we saw how Iran got a gun, that would mean Iran is apart of Cult. Also, I believe that would mean Cyprus would be mafian because of the inability to be converted and no killing him right back. However, this is speculation based off of a post made by someone we all pretty much consider scum. There is absolutely no way he's town. However, at this point, I'd consider the chance that he's Jester too high. Why would he reveal his status as cult and give us information that hinders his own team? He wouldn't if he seriously is Cult. This lynch is only going to result in a Jester death sentence.
Germany has been proving his scummy behavior throughout the whole game, only coming in to defend himself with half assed posts or trolling (even know with Colombia), so he's either stupid bulletproof, who not to mention doesn't even know his role, or scum. Also, it's worth pointing out Ghost was at some point on this train, so he must think Poland as detrimental to non-town.

-vote FM Germany

It seems like the most logical answer at this point, I feel that we could 100% confirm tonight if he's telling the truth or not. We know for sure at least Germany's not in cult for sure at least, but I still believe Germany could definitely be scum.

Poland knows we don't buy his sheriff claim, a jester defense is all he has left

[Old FM USA]

Poland knows we don't buy his sheriff claim, a jester defense is all he has left

This.

[Old FM Iran]

How the hell voting Germany at this point will help us?

Arabia, hammer Poland. Now.

[Old FM Iran]

Oh and refusing to hammer confirmed non-Town, just because you fear Jester is not something a Town would do.

[Old FM Brazil]

Poland knows we don't buy his sheriff claim, a jester defense is all he has left

Disagree.
If Poland didn't unvoted Germany, Germany was actually going to die.
I have been keeping an eye on the train.
Poland intended to get lynched.

[Old FM Iran]

I'm going to be seriously pissed off if we don't end this Day with lynch. I have another gun and I'm going to shoot someone among abstainers.

[Old FM Iran]

I'm going to be seriously pissed off if we don't end this Day with lynch. I have another gun and I'm going to shoot someone among abstainers.

And by abstainers I mean anyone who doesn't vote Poland.

[Old FM Argentina]

Disagree.
If Poland didn't unvoted Germany, Germany was actually going to die.
I have been keeping an eye on the train.
Poland intended to get lynched.

If he wanted to get lynched he could've just let Germany get lynched. If he flipped non-maf he would've gotten lynched. If he flipped maf he still might've gotten lynched. If not he could just claim a new person was some scum role and got lynched when that person role claimed or fliped not what he claimed.

There was pressure on Poland yesterday, he had to make a risky gambit today to survive. He picked someone super scummy and guessed an alignment hoping he was right and it would save his ass.

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh ya, I forgot ghost should possess the mason leader so we another vote, if my calculations are correct that will give scum dominance tomorrow.

So who is eeet?

[Old FM Brazil]

If he wanted to get lynched he could've just let Germany get lynched. If he flipped non-maf he would've gotten lynched. If he flipped maf he still might've gotten lynched. If not he could just claim a new person was some scum role and got lynched when that person role claimed or fliped not what he claimed.

There was pressure on Poland yesterday, he had to make a risky gambit today to survive. He picked someone super scummy and guessed an alignment hoping he was right and it would save his ass.

Right. That's why I think it could be a ghost who try to get things done today, but fearing if Germany actually flip mafia.

[Old FM Kenya]

You know what you need to do to get my vote. If you can't do it, then I can't help you.

When Poland flips town, feel free to use your gun to shoot Germany. If he dies, he was lying. If he lives, his immunity is confirmed and we can then evaluate whether or not he is scum.

[Old FM Argentina]

Right. That's why I think it could be a ghost who try to get things done today, but fearing if Germany actually flip mafia.

So you're super confident that Columbia is actual scum pretending to be ghosted. Are you willing to lead a lynch on him tormorrow?

[Old FM Iran]

I'm going to push Tomorrow for Kenya's lynch. This is ridiculous.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Hammering first yime

-vote fm poland

[The Godfather]

FM Poland has been sacrificed! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


FM Poland (11 [L-0]): FM Sweden, FM Russia, FM Cyprus, FM USA, FM Germany, FM Japan, FM Argentina, FM Iran, FM Mexico, FM Spain, FM Ireland
FM Germany (3 [L-8]): FM Kenya, FM Saudi Arabia, FM Thailand
FM Sweden (2 [L-9]): FM Costa Rica, FM Colombia