S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Raincoat
Dirty Harry
Great Speech
Maybe Wasteland? I personally have no opinion whatsoever on that slot

yeah I'd add wasteland
Pink Slip wanted to vote there, and looking through the ISO it feels pretty awkward

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

yeah I'd add wasteland
Pink Slip wanted to vote there, and looking through the ISO it feels pretty awkward

You get two shots dont you?
That second account is one OP advantage sir

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

If I did not town read you I would be advocating right now for your alt to be killed off to cut down on your power. Lol

[FM-Mountain Tops]

You get two shots dont you?
That second account is one OP advantage sir

I do get two shots! Though, for mechanical reasons White Square should be the first shot on a player, who I then shouldn't shoot on this account

[FM-Mountain Tops]

yeah I'd add wasteland
Pink Slip wanted to vote there, and looking through the ISO it feels pretty awkward

I was going to argue against shooting Great Speech but after rereading EOD I'm conflicted

At EOD I felt they were pretty much in line with their earlier play, but the certainty there (and more or less ignoring of the reasons people had) looks even more extreme now

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I do get two shots! Though, for mechanical reasons White Square should be the first shot on a player, who I then shouldn't shoot on this account

I would say unless its Green Nya. Someone brought up how they could be ITA baiting with their play yesterday and although I am skeptical it is on my mind.

It is weird how little attention that slot has gotten. I want to make a list at some point of the slots that very few people have really had a read on. Always worried about people slinking their way through the day.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I was going to argue against shooting Great Speech but after rereading EOD I'm conflicted

At EOD I felt they were pretty much in line with their earlier play, but the certainty there (and more or less ignoring of the reasons people had) looks even more extreme now

Let me know what you think about the lack of them making the same arguments on other trains.

Also, may want to iso Gay Cat Rock.
Its 91 posts but very little in them. When I picked up on it I was kinda shocked to see how little they said with that many posts.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

So your theory is that with both of the leading D1 wagons being town the third alternative wagon is ALSO town? Who do you think is NOT town?

If two main wagons are town what is stoppong scum to encourage a cfd on another town for example? I think if you think they are more likely to be scum just because a cfd on them was made then thats not solid at all.

Ponk Slip sussing them is a point Im weighing

[FM-Sassy Witch]

@FM-Snippy

Who did you vist last night am not accepting will not tell as a acceptable anwser

[FM-Dirty Harry]

My biggest issue is the lack of consistency in how the wagons were treated differently by specific people.

Dirty Harry and Great Speech (need to go back to verify it was them specifically) were pushing 2 major arguments of-
-The case on Bosun is bad
-The other lynch (Viking) gives information

Then when the train flopped over to Mt Dew Horse there was not a peep about how it was a bad case or the information that could be created by the lynch.

There was also huge emotional investment from Great Speech on Bosun which felt out of place. Yelling in all caps and such. A portion of that was when the CFD was falling on Wasteland so it could be more they specifically wanted it off them as well but either way- I would expect these super passionate concerns to carry between trains.

If your so against it on one train why be ok with it on another? If your gona consider and argue the value of a lynch on one train why just ignore it on the other? It feels inconsistent.

Correction I never argued for Viking

Secondly the Bosun case was bad and I’m standing by it
And again I was for horse dying for the reason of hypocrisy and bad wagon vote vs herrr derrr this person got town votes while not doing anything.

Thirdly how long does ITA last
I’m still in class when it starts

[FM-Mountain Tops]

someone makes a spreadsheet to track all claimed mech n stuff. I'm not about to do it but someone else should so that the people who can't follow mech (me) can still follow along

BTW I'm going to try to do this, at least during D2
Ping me with mech claims

[FM-Sassy Witch]

Also if we are still tracking pres votes o voted angry clown.

[FM-Dirty Harry]

Also if we are still tracking pres votes o voted angry clown.

Why clown may I ask? They haven’t been particularly towny compared to lady , pink , wine , etc.

[FM-My Plants]

I would rather people individually make ITA lists (with reasoning) prior to event starting.
Consensus allows scum to influence and ITA's curve their advantage. Autonomy is best here imo.

FM-Wasteland, FM-Ryast

[FM-Sassy Witch]

Why clown may I ask? They haven’t been particularly towny compared to lady , pink , wine , etc.

Yes exactly.

I voted someone i trusted that had what I felt 0% chance to die if my 3 voted made them pres I assumed that the tip was killed. (I am assuming a person top voted and dead doesn't get it)

So really I made a safety net.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Spoiler : Current Mech :

Player	Alignment/Dead	N0 Vote	N1 Vote	MECH CLAIMS D1	MECH CLAIMS D2
Aliens are Real	Alive	Snail Streamer	Lady of the Lake
Angry Clown	Alive	Mtn Dew Horse	None
Bosun	TOWN	None	[UNKNOWN]		Put Snail/Fish/Raincoat/Wine Mom in chat N1 (according to Wine Mom in #1797)
Dirty Harry	Alive	None	Lady of the Lake
Fast Fish	Alive	None	Wine Mom
Gay Cat Rock	Alive	Gay Cat Rock
Great Speech	Alive	Aliens are Real	Lady of the Lake		Received Pickles the Cat N0
Green Nya	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Happy Drunk	Alive	Happy Drunk		Received Doubloons (#643)	Green check on Smug Viking
Incognito	Alive	Fast Fish
Jiraffe	Alive	None	None		Killed Bosun N1
Lady of the Lake	Alive	Aliens are Real	Lady of the Lake
Lolcat	Alive	None
Lovely Bug	Alive	Ryast
Mountain Tops	Alive	White Square	Mountain Tops		Is White Square
Mtn Dew Horse	TOWN	None	[DEAD]
My Plants	Alive	None	None
Orange Iris	Alive	Gay Cat Rock
Pink Slip	TOWN	Great Speech	[UNKNOWN]
Purple Forest	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Raincoat Cat	Alive	None	Wine Mom
Ryast	Alive	None
Sassy Witch	Alive	Smug Viking	Angry Clown
Smug Viking	Alive	Pink Slip	Incognito	Claimed to die if Happy Drunk was town	Green Check on Happy Drunk
Snail Streamer	Alive	Ryast	Wine Mom		In a chat N1 with Wasteland
Snippy	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Tiny Sandwich	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Wasteland	Alive	Aliens are Real
White Square	Alive	White Square	Mountain Tops		Is Mountain Tops
Wine Mom	Alive	Wine Mom	Wine Mom
Zoomer Power	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]

D1 I barely kept track of anything so if you made a mech claim I probably missed it
ping me if you want it added

[FM-Sassy Witch]

Spoiler : Current Mech :

Player	Alignment/Dead	N0 Vote	N1 Vote	MECH CLAIMS D1	MECH CLAIMS D2
Aliens are Real	Alive	Snail Streamer	Lady of the Lake
Angry Clown	Alive	Mtn Dew Horse	None
Bosun	TOWN	None	[UNKNOWN]		Put Snail/Fish/Raincoat/Wine Mom in chat N1 (according to Wine Mom in #1797)
Dirty Harry	Alive	None	Lady of the Lake
Fast Fish	Alive	None	Wine Mom
Gay Cat Rock	Alive	Gay Cat Rock
Great Speech	Alive	Aliens are Real	Lady of the Lake		Received Pickles the Cat N0
Green Nya	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Happy Drunk	Alive	Happy Drunk		Received Doubloons (#643)	Green check on Smug Viking
Incognito	Alive	Fast Fish
Jiraffe	Alive	None	None		Killed Bosun N1
Lady of the Lake	Alive	Aliens are Real	Lady of the Lake
Lolcat	Alive	None
Lovely Bug	Alive	Ryast
Mountain Tops	Alive	White Square	Mountain Tops		Is White Square
Mtn Dew Horse	TOWN	None	[DEAD]
My Plants	Alive	None	None
Orange Iris	Alive	Gay Cat Rock
Pink Slip	TOWN	Great Speech	[UNKNOWN]
Purple Forest	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Raincoat Cat	Alive	None	Wine Mom
Ryast	Alive	None
Sassy Witch	Alive	Smug Viking	Angry Clown
Smug Viking	Alive	Pink Slip	Incognito	Claimed to die if Happy Drunk was town	Green Check on Happy Drunk
Snail Streamer	Alive	Ryast	Wine Mom		In a chat N1 with Wasteland
Snippy	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Tiny Sandwich	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Wasteland	Alive	Aliens are Real
White Square	Alive	White Square	Mountain Tops		Is Mountain Tops
Wine Mom	Alive	Wine Mom	Wine Mom
Zoomer Power	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]

D1 I barely kept track of anything so if you made a mech claim I probably missed it
ping me if you want it added

Am heading off but I also claimed only during night phases my vote counts as 3.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

Correction I never argued for Viking

Secondly the Bosun case was bad and I’m standing by it
And again I was for horse dying for the reason of hypocrisy and bad wagon vote vs herrr derrr this person got town votes while not doing anything.

Thirdly how long does ITA last
I’m still in class when it starts

Fair. I do not mean to misrepresent you. I just particularly remember you and Great Speech pushing the hardest. He stood out much more from how passionate he was about it.

Just ISOed Wasteland, and damn, that is a crappy ISO. Point-out-y, taking refuge in mechanics to avoid discussing the game, even apologizing and saying they're "reading up"... and then proceeding to never say anything useful... AND VOTING BOSUN FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO TOP IT ALL

WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH WASTELAND TODAY, THERE ARE LITERALLY 4 MINUTES LEFT. ITA THEM TOMORROW AND CALL IT A DAY

Well really, it's just that Wine Mom decided to launch it; the rest seem to have gotten independently convinced (at least Mountain and myself), + White Square magically appeared. To understand, I think we need to look at the very end of Wine Mom's ISO to see if the progression makes sense.

HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK BOSUN SHOULD DIE

This kinda stuff. It was not just arguing someone's defense. It was quite a bit extra.

1 hour for ITA I beleive

[FM-My Plants]

If Wastelands dies in ITA's and flips wolf I think it would be a good idea to stop shooting and evaluate EoD

[FM-Sassy Witch]

Oh and someone hit me with a fish

Anyway bye for now

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Alright I've got some time. Now I have an opportunity to write out a larger post.

1. Me receiving six votes for president is... neat, I guess. I'm town so I have a hard time assuming that wolves voted for me. Allegedly there was a collection of people who arranged to vote for Wine Mom. That's 12 votes for president among two top town reads. Where are all the wolf votes? I have a hard time believing that the wolves voted for me to be president, so we're left with two options.
A. The wolves don't have someone who is in high enough standing to vote for, meaning there are no current powerwolves. This would make the wolf team pretty much all in the bottom half of posters, like slots like Wasteland, Snippy, My Plants, Lovely Bug, Green Nya and Lolcat (a nonconclusive list but the names that caught my eye on a first pass over the player list).
B. The wolves had a candidate to vote for but multiple wolves got stuck in the Bosun chat where it was decided to vote for Wine Mom. This would mean probably two wolves in the chat, which consisted of:

Bosun put snail, fish, raincoat and myself in a night chat and we coordinated presidential votes in there. Lady being president is however also fine.

Of that list I can see all three of the non-wine mom slots being wolf. Snail has a very high post count with a very low amount of actual content in there and we've butted heads before. I would need to refresh myself on fish now that horse has flipped town. Raincoat is probably likely to be a wolf in this context, but I have a hard time believing that wolves would just accept that Wine Mom should be mayor if snail or fish are wolves in that chat.
C. Wine Mom is wolf and the wolves convinced a number of villagers in the Bosun chat to vote Wine Mom as president.

All three scenarios are plausible and I've sorted them in order of how likely I think they are.

2. I received a message claiming I ate poisoned food and will be dying tomorrow unless I am provided the antidote. There's other contents within the message but I will not be sharing them right now. I personally think this message is a load of bollocks but if there's a doctor out there who can cure me of poison then you should consider paying me a visit tonight.

3. I think that Jiraffe shooting Bosun is enough to get her through ITA1 at a minimum. It's a town-ish action on paper but I can absolutely see a world where a wolf shoots Bosun for free town credit. I'll revisit the slot later (which is code for 'I will never revisit the slot because I am lazy').

4. I will not be putting together an ITA list as a show of good faith for having lead the wagon on Mtn Dew Horse yesterday. I encourage Wine Mom to also step away from putting together a list because they added a lot of pressure to the wagon and because they could realistically be a wolf. I'd rather have someone who wasn't involved in the chat put it together.

5. I will not be here during ITA1.

[FM-My Plants]

Oh wait ITA's today already? thought it'd be in a while since day is so long

[FM-My Plants]

Clips and Witch has not impressed me today...

[FM-My Plants]

Oh ITA is in 3,5 hours nevermind. I'm asleep then. And will be busy tomorrow evening but I'll try to make a shot at least

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

Good evening (can’t figure out how to fit a cat pun here)

[FM-My Plants]

Good evening (can’t figure out how to fit a cat pun here)

Hi Yi!

[FM-Mountain Tops]

FM-Wasteland, FM-Ryast

Why Ryast? (Also, regardless of who goes in the shotlist - we're going to be having a unified shotlist, not people shooting whoever they want.)

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I think Raincoat needs to be on all shot lists for today

Because Pink Slip didn’t like me? Weak reason.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

Hi Yi!

waves

thoughts today? I remember liking your old posts but I feel like I got caught up and had to realtime and stopped seeing your posts.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I voted Wine Mom for president, by the way.

[FM-Fast Fish]

Alright I've got some time. Now I have an opportunity to write out a larger post.

1. Me receiving six votes for president is... neat, I guess. I'm town so I have a hard time assuming that wolves voted for me. Allegedly there was a collection of people who arranged to vote for Wine Mom. That's 12 votes for president among two top town reads. Where are all the wolf votes? I have a hard time believing that the wolves voted for me to be president, so we're left with two options.
A. The wolves don't have someone who is in high enough standing to vote for, meaning there are no current powerwolves. This would make the wolf team pretty much all in the bottom half of posters, like slots like Wasteland, Snippy, My Plants, Lovely Bug, Green Nya and Lolcat (a nonconclusive list but the names that caught my eye on a first pass over the player list).
B. The wolves had a candidate to vote for but multiple wolves got stuck in the Bosun chat where it was decided to vote for Wine Mom. This would mean probably two wolves in the chat, which consisted of:

Of that list I can see all three of the non-wine mom slots being wolf. Snail has a very high post count with a very low amount of actual content in there and we've butted heads before. I would need to refresh myself on fish now that horse has flipped town. Raincoat is probably likely to be a wolf in this context, but I have a hard time believing that wolves would just accept that Wine Mom should be mayor if snail or fish are wolves in that chat.
C. Wine Mom is wolf and the wolves convinced a number of villagers in the Bosun chat to vote Wine Mom as president.

All three scenarios are plausible and I've sorted them in order of how likely I think they are.

2. I received a message claiming I ate poisoned food and will be dying tomorrow unless I am provided the antidote. There's other contents within the message but I will not be sharing them right now. I personally think this message is a load of bollocks but if there's a doctor out there who can cure me of poison then you should consider paying me a visit tonight.

3. I think that Jiraffe shooting Bosun is enough to get her through ITA1 at a minimum. It's a town-ish action on paper but I can absolutely see a world where a wolf shoots Bosun for free town credit. I'll revisit the slot later (which is code for 'I will never revisit the slot because I am lazy').

4. I will not be putting together an ITA list as a show of good faith for having lead the wagon on Mtn Dew Horse yesterday. I encourage Wine Mom to also step away from putting together a list because they added a lot of pressure to the wagon and because they could realistically be a wolf. I'd rather have someone who wasn't involved in the chat put it together.

5. I will not be here during ITA1.

You just don't want to make a shot list because you won't be here. And nobody needs a show of good faith from your slot since you are 99% town with a 1% chance of being 3P who is hunting mafia. You should direct the firing squad at my target and then me afterwards if they don't flip wolf. Then use your voting power with an iron fist to kill lurkers.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

You just don't want to make a shot list because you won't be here.

Ok you got me but that's only like 60% the reason.

[FM-My Plants]

waves

thoughts today? I remember liking your old posts but I feel like I got caught up and had to realtime and stopped seeing your posts.

I'm feeling kinda zonked out, I still struggle to make proper reads but I'm still confident Speech is v, and I believe I'm correct on Jif v and at least one wolf in Ryast/Wasteland

But I also realize there are a few names I've just never taken notice of before, like SnipClip (forgot the name of the scissor).

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

Green Nya (Effectively zero posting slot not even bothering to vote)
Gay Cat Rock (91 poster saying very little with empty stances)
Wasteland (Low poster talking votes and not hunting)
Great Speech (Debating them after that EoD trainwreck and the odd way they pushed to save Bosun like they had TMI on the issue)
Smug Viking (Low poster, low content in posts, No reason to read them as town)

My ITA list off the top of my head. Whitesquare woulda been on there but Im 100% ok with Mountian top having 2 accounts. Maybe could go for Sassy Witch but ehhh. I kinda like them even if they did not vote yesterday (Insert judgmental eyes here)

I liked GCR’s EOD though

[FM-Fast Fish]

Ok you got me but that's only like 60% the reason.

You've got to make it or Wine does.

[FM-Fast Fish]

Or work together, either way.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I liked GCR’s EOD though

They got better there for sure. Basically prior to end of day they had nothing or vague "this person is town" without real reasoning.

I am more bothered that they had 91 posts with so little content than anything else.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

Or work together, either way.

Or everyone makes their own list then goes off their reads on who they think is town and makes decisions that way..

I think sheeping the leader is a bad idea. Anyone that does not know what to do just shoot Green Nya. Thats never gona hurt the town.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Anyone that does not know what to do just shoot Green Nya. Thats never gona hurt the town.

I like this idea.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Or everyone makes their own list then goes off their reads on who they think is town and makes decisions that way..

I think sheeping the leader is a bad idea. Anyone that does not know what to do just shoot Green Nya. Thats never gona hurt the town.

Kindly, no. Its not optimal to play that way. Stop proposing things that will hurt town consolidation

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I'm feeling kinda zonked out, I still struggle to make proper reads but I'm still confident Speech is v, and I believe I'm correct on Jif v and at least one wolf in Ryast/Wasteland

But I also realize there are a few names I've just never taken notice of before, like SnipClip (forgot the name of the scissor).

Is there a reason you think Ryast/Wasteland contains one based on some interaction or something you think isn’t V/V, or just scumreading both individually?

I think wasteland’s EOD was wolfy but I have no thoughts on Ryast as the avatars make it impossible for me to remember if a post was made by them or white square.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

You cant think of any reason on why wolves would've prefer you to be president Lady ?

Personally Im a little shocked that no one outside the chat voted Wine mom f.e.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Or myself tbfh

[FM-Fast Fish]

Or everyone makes their own list then goes off their reads on who they think is town and makes decisions that way..

I think sheeping the leader is a bad idea. Anyone that does not know what to do just shoot Green Nya. Thats never gona hurt the town.

Okay then I'm going to ITA Mountain Tops on the dot. Goodluck on your shooting.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Is there a reason you think Ryast/Wasteland contains one based on some interaction or something you think isn’t V/V, or just scumreading both individually?

I think wasteland’s EOD was wolfy but I have no thoughts on Ryast as the avatars make it impossible for me to remember if a post was made by them or white square.

Ryast pop in at EoD was to direct votes at Wasteland.

So I can kinda vibe with one wolf in Wasteland/Ryast

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Kindly, no. Its not optimal to play that way. Stop proposing things that will hurt town consolidation

All game I feel you've been very quick to criticize others but very slow to offer your own thoughts. The only thing I remember you doing is trying to steer votes onto Viking, who at this point is likely town.

I want to see your ITA list. I don't even think I want to follow it, but I want to see what yours is. Show me where you're at right now.

[FM-Smug Viking]

Spoiler : Current Mech :

Player	Alignment/Dead	N0 Vote	N1 Vote	MECH CLAIMS D1	MECH CLAIMS D2
Aliens are Real	Alive	Snail Streamer	Lady of the Lake
Angry Clown	Alive	Mtn Dew Horse	None
Bosun	TOWN	None	[UNKNOWN]		Put Snail/Fish/Raincoat/Wine Mom in chat N1 (according to Wine Mom in #1797)
Dirty Harry	Alive	None	Lady of the Lake
Fast Fish	Alive	None	Wine Mom
Gay Cat Rock	Alive	Gay Cat Rock
Great Speech	Alive	Aliens are Real	Lady of the Lake		Received Pickles the Cat N0
Green Nya	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Happy Drunk	Alive	Happy Drunk		Received Doubloons (#643)	Green check on Smug Viking
Incognito	Alive	Fast Fish
Jiraffe	Alive	None	None		Killed Bosun N1
Lady of the Lake	Alive	Aliens are Real	Lady of the Lake
Lolcat	Alive	None
Lovely Bug	Alive	Ryast
Mountain Tops	Alive	White Square	Mountain Tops		Is White Square
Mtn Dew Horse	TOWN	None	[DEAD]
My Plants	Alive	None	None
Orange Iris	Alive	Gay Cat Rock
Pink Slip	TOWN	Great Speech	[UNKNOWN]
Purple Forest	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Raincoat Cat	Alive	None	Wine Mom
Ryast	Alive	None
Sassy Witch	Alive	Smug Viking	Angry Clown
Smug Viking	Alive	Pink Slip	Incognito	Claimed to die if Happy Drunk was town	Green Check on Happy Drunk
Snail Streamer	Alive	Ryast	Wine Mom		In a chat N1 with Wasteland
Snippy	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Tiny Sandwich	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]
Wasteland	Alive	Aliens are Real
White Square	Alive	White Square	Mountain Tops		Is Mountain Tops
Wine Mom	Alive	Wine Mom	Wine Mom
Zoomer Power	Alive	[CLAIM MISSING]

D1 I barely kept track of anything so if you made a mech claim I probably missed it
ping me if you want it added

I claimed to die if Happy Drunk is mafia, not town.

[FM-Fast Fish]

You cant think of any reason on why wolves would've prefer you to be president Lady ?

Personally Im a little shocked that no one outside the chat voted Wine mom f.e.

Breh. I told you Lady would be voted the most.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I’ll look at pink slip’s legacy when I get to my computer, something in the back of my head tells me I could be wrong about incognito if pink slip didn’t see them as wolfy like I did and I have yet to go back and check the reason they said they discussed.

I really do not like Wine Mom singling me out of all of Pink Slip’s reads but I know I tend to tunnel people who don’t see eye to eye with me so I’m trying not to do that.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Election Results by TNN!


On this glorious day we hail FM-Lady of the Lake as our new President!

The election resulted in a tie and was decided by coin flip.
The exact results were as follows:

Nominee		Vote Tally
FM-Lady of the Lake	◀	6 votes
FM-Wine Mom	◁	6 votes
FM-Angry Clown	◁	3 votes
FM-Mountain Tops	◁	2 votes
FM-Tiny Sandwich	◁	1 vote
FM-Dirty Harry	◁	1 vote
FM-Aliens Are Real	◁	1 vote
FM-Incognito	◁	1 vote
FM-Zoomer Power	◁	1 vote

Why do we have so many non voters still? Did mafia forget to vote ¿?