KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Chromatography]

...that's exactly what my math was meant to demonstrate. That I started believing there could be more than one wolf in it when Candyfloss flipped wolf. The numbers were just examples to demonstrate my point, I wasn't trying to give you exact numerical probabilities. A person in the list flipping wolf makes it more likely there is more than one wolf in the list, because we already know there aren't zero.

I said there was unlikely to be more than one wolf in the list because I kind of townread the people in it, and thought it could be antispew. I stopped thinking this when one was a wolf: not only does this make it more likely there's more than one wolf in the list (as we eliminate all possibilities where there are zero), but it demonstrates that Space Pizza was not fully in antispew and was willing to defend a partner.





I don't feel like finding it right now because they have long isos, I said I should probably find them, not that I would. Also, you're not even my top wolfread at this point, that's The Great Flood, so it would probably be mildly more helpful to case them that way instead of you.

Okay, but you see how "If Breakup/P47 are town, the Candy is town" being turned into "Since Candy is wolf, Breakup/P47 is wolf." is really blocky and strange when no such line existed in the original statement? It's tying people together when I haven't actually seen you pull out the arguments to back it up even at the time of this post.

I'd like to see you case Flood and let me know who you think their partners are.

[FM-Catnip]

Okay, but you see how "If Breakup/P47 are town, the Candy is town" being turned into "Since Candy is wolf, Breakup/P47 is wolf." is really blocky and strange when no such line existed in the original statement? It's tying people together when I haven't actually seen you pull out the arguments to back it up even at the time of this post.

I'd like to see you case Flood and let me know who you think their partners are.

That's not what happening. This discussion is pointless and I am ending it. I will probably case Flood later, because casing people is how you play mafia, but I am doing other things right now so not right now

[FM-Chromatography]

Yeah, my read is solidified but thanks for humoring me anyway.

[FM-Lipstick]

Oh wait

Thread is open lol

[FM-Lipstick]

I don’t keep this particuarly secret but there’s a good chance it I say someone’s town and ignore them I haven’t read most of their posts and skimmed a couple and went good enough, it takes a while for me to work across the game and I’m very slow at it, but also like why is autumn so town read look at their day two contributions to the game, I’ve got a lot of reasons to town read other people so once I get done I’ll talk about those reasons and we can reorganize stuff, other people canmoppk into autumn as well

Relatable content

[FM-Lipstick]

@FM-Platypus Did you fake poison Chibi and why?

[FM-Lassie]

COMMENTARY ON MY PLAYSTYLE BELOW, I DO NOT INTEND YOU TO FORM A TOWNREAD BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, JUST TALKING FOR FNU:

That's a reasonable assessment! Unfortunately, I am just very principled about why people wolfread me. I specifically seek to avoid making "caught for the wrong reasons" comments as a wolf because I know people tend to wolfread them, but as town, if people are making bad cases against me, I get very irritated. Quite frankly, I should stop, because it means I have to fake getting mad at people as a wolf, and that's inconvenient.

Does this... mean you *don't* get mad at people as wolf? And you wouldn't be displaying this frustration you've shown in this conversation, if you were a wolf?

[FM-Ringmaster]

Town:
Lip
Hippo
Lickity
Peek
Player 2
Chibi
Lassie
Autumn
Platypus
FPS
Choo Choo
Break
Eye
Mining
Chromo
TF
Catnip
Protag
Mafia:
Is my readlist.

Notes:
Goblin claimed that it was their fault that my action was blocked during the night. Their role could not have blocked it and the player who is claiming to have blocked it is stating they had no communication with each other. Either there is another mafia rolestopper, Goblin misunderstood their role, or Protagonist is mafia. I think it’s unlikely they misunderstood their role and I believe they would be as confused as I am as to why my action was blocked there instead of claiming they did it.

I think it’s risky for Scarf to falsely claim they investigated The Flood N1 with the existence of trackers or watchers unless they actually went to that player and checked them. I think it’s likely they actually just checked the player, makes sense for mafia to do so. I did some investigation into the interactions of flood and I do not get the hype around them looking terrible from the flipped wolves, it’s not worse than Droopy (who I thought would flip wolf). I think their posts have also been relatively fine. Have to admit though, I think the slot does need to die at some point, I’m just voicing some of my concerns there.

Lassie claimed to have hooded scarf which doesn’t make sense if they are wolves together. They have also shot a wolf without me directing it (even though they asked me to direct it) which makes me trust them more.

I think Platypus claim can be verified by a rolecop so we can see what conditionals we are dealing with. If mafia could abuse the conditionals to wolf side, I’ll clear them, if not, they will be lowered. They are up there for now because they have been town siding this game.

[FM-Ringmaster]

Wait, PROTAG couldn’t have stopped me
I was roleblock immune
Look at BHD flip
Their appretince could only stop people who weren’t roleblock immune
Something else stopped me

[FM-Lipstick]

@FM-Ringmaster I kind of trust Autumn. But I have also done the "This feels good enough". They were in a hood with Candy though, which Candy tried to use as a reason to be town read. Like "you can trust the people I'm in a hood with who says I'm towny (Autumn)". Feels very "Trust this townie that I have charmed" and not something they draw attention to if w/w. Don't know if anyone else was in that hood.

[FM-Four Past Seven]

Wait, PROTAG couldn’t have stopped me
I was roleblock immune
Look at BHD flip
Their appretince could only stop people who weren’t roleblock immune
Something else stopped me

looking back again at my n1 cop of you

it could be theoretically "stopped" if redirected to someone who was already receiving said blessing

but it makes no sense as to why Worg would fake-claim about that unless he was preparing a redirector fake-claim -- but then why would worg claim about that and not some other hypothetical wolf that is actually doing the redirect?

frankly it feels like this topic is an implicit red herring -- there's possibly important info behind it, but in terms of narrowing that down with certainty is a really tough ask and I'm not sure if its a valuable expenditure of anyone's time

[FM-Lipstick]

Also, Ringmaster

I
Just
Don't know if I care about mech at all

There's no guarantee that we actually know what we think we know about the mech

Maybe I'm just
Me
But I haven't cared about it all game
And it seems to work ok

[FM-Ringmaster]

looking back again at my n1 cop of you

it could be theoretically "stopped" if redirected to someone who was already receiving said blessing

but it makes no sense as to why Worg would fake-claim about that unless he was preparing a redirector fake-claim -- but then why would worg claim about that and not some other hypothetical wolf that is actually doing the redirect?

frankly it feels like this topic is an implicit red herring -- there's possibly important info behind it, but in terms of narrowing that down with certainty is a really tough ask and I'm not sure if its a valuable expenditure of anyone's time

you copped me n1?
also yeah fair lipstick

[FM-Four Past Seven]

I disagree with copping platypus btw. I don't see a reason why them doing fake poisons is somehow suspicious enough to warrant a check.

I might follow through with a check on there or not.

[FM-Ringmaster]

Also, Ringmaster

I
Just
Don't know if I care about mech at all

There's no guarantee that we actually know what we think we know about the mech

Maybe I'm just
Me
But I haven't cared about it all game
And it seems to work ok

That’s also fair
Mech is kinda like a maze with so many flips where we can’t figure out their actions, I’m just curious about this mech in particular because goblin himself said that he had something to do with my blessing failing…which it did, but his role doesn’t stop blessings
I’ll stop talking about it and focus on something else

[FM-Four Past Seven]

you copped me n1?
also yeah fair lipstick

yes I've mentioned it a few times before this game

it was mostly because there were 5 million posts on d1 and I assumed it was a one-off claim by you (I might've even heard about it via second hand than see it directly from your posts) that was moon worshipper

wanted to know if it was fake or not because if it were maybe you were covering for the real worshipper and I felt that was going to be AI later in the game

[FM-Chromatography]

Does anyone else want to talk to me about stuff before tomorrow starts since I presume my discussion with Catnip is over?

[FM-Ringmaster]

checking back in for a moment



I can personally verify everything he has claimed about his role to be very true and how Ring has been using it is very towny -- as they said, they very well could have poisoned (or applied some very bad debuff) to 7 players by comboing a feast and the moon power he used on first day

I know this because, aside from my temp ITA buff action, he was my rolecop target on n1.

Ige somehow missed this the entire game

[FM-Lassie]

Wait, PROTAG couldn’t have stopped me
I was roleblock immune
Look at BHD flip
Their appretince could only stop people who weren’t roleblock immune
Something else stopped me

Did wolves know whether your action was helpful? And did they know you were planning to target Goblin

[FM-Ringmaster]

Did wolves know whether your action was helpful? And did they know you were planning to target Goblin

all my actions were public about what I was gonna do
I think wolves might have been confused upon it being a night action

You see, it’s not actually a day action, it only appeared as one because that was only n0 and d1

[FM-Lipstick]

That’s also fair
Mech is kinda like a maze with so many flips where we can’t figure out their actions, I’m just curious about this mech in particular because goblin himself said that he had something to do with my blessing failing…which it did, but his role doesn’t stop blessings
I’ll stop talking about it and focus on something else

Could there not be a dozen of roleblocky powers this game though?
I haven't read most flips but I think a lot of random shit could've happened
Especially when all wolves haven't flipped
I don't know

[FM-Lassie]

all my actions were public about what I was gonna do
I think wolves might have been confused upon it being a night action

You see, it’s not actually a day action, it only appeared as one because that was only n0 and d1

ok after looking over all the wolf flips, this from Space Pizza's could maybe do it?

2\.1 Firewall deployment (Asset only) - When activated, can choose a non-asset player and prevent all traffic from that node to your asset. (Prevent one person targeting the person you have as an asset. This cannot prevent factional killpower.) Multiple can be built, one per player prevented.

[FM-Lassie]

but anyway
Platypus had asked for a poison target

If you haven’t talked about it yet, do throw together a pool to poison someone from. Preferably by top TRs though

so we should probably do that

[FM-Lipstick]

@ringmaster Did you really claim D1 and have not been anti claimed or am I just daft

[FM-Lipstick]

@ringmaster Did you really claim D1 and have not been anti claimed or am I just daft

@FM-Ringmaster

[FM-Ringmaster]

@ringmaster Did you really claim D1 and have not been anti claimed or am I just daft

yes I have not been anti claimed the entire game despite claiming d1
I’ve just been here

[FM-Lassie]

Don't have any specific thoughts outside of 'poison inside poe and no fake poisons (as they're wasting kp)'
I guess if anyone's likely to be a motivated solver who'd benefit from being IC-ish for a day, there's that

[FM-Lipstick]

checking back in for a moment



I can personally verify everything he has claimed about his role to be very true and how Ring has been using it is very towny -- as they said, they very well could have poisoned (or applied some very bad debuff) to 7 players by comboing a feast and the moon power he used on first day

I know this because, aside from my temp ITA buff action, he was my rolecop target on n1.

We also don't know if he used them on actual town though
Flood and Chibi are two of them

Uh

I decided to open Ringmaster ISO
Which was a bad idea
I don't need more paranoia

Nothing damning though
Nothing too bad
Just
Nothing good yet either
Apart from posting good

Will probably get nothing out of this and still go shrug probably town

[FM-Lipstick]

Got it
The Great Flood
Goblin
Chibi

Hippo are the people then + whoever else I forgot the names of

What is this referring to?
The people you blessed?

Look at me suddenly caring about mech

[FM-Ringmaster]

What is this referring to?
The people you blessed?

Look at me suddenly caring about mech

Yeah. I asked everyone if they would be fine with having their feedback scrambled night two and then I blessed people who didn’t mind. Everyone I blessed d1 and d2 got to speak to the entire dead people n2 (anyone who died n1 or d2)

[FM-Lassie]

Yeah. I asked everyone if they would be fine with having their feedback scrambled night two and then I blessed people who didn’t mind. Everyone I blessed d1 and d2 got to speak to the entire dead people n2 (anyone who died n1 or d2)

oh idk what happened there but I never got to do that

[FM-Ringmaster]

oh idk what happened there but I never got to do that

Did I bless you d1 or d2?

[FM-Lassie]

Did I bless you d1 or d2?

idk
none of the moon blessing posts included me though so

[FM-Lipstick]

Yeah. I asked everyone if they would be fine with having their feedback scrambled night two and then I blessed people who didn’t mind. Everyone I blessed d1 and d2 got to speak to the entire dead people n2 (anyone who died n1 or d2)

Iiiiiinteresting that you probably chose two wolves

Anyway

[FM-Lassie]

Iiiiiinteresting that you probably chose two wolves

Anyway

I imagine your pfp's expression change slightly when I read this

[FM-Ringmaster]

Mm
Guys

I just kinda realized, there’s something wrong with yellow snow card. Dead told me he has an ability rekayed to pollination , yet yellow snow doesn’t talk about bees at all

[FM-Lipstick]

I imagine your pfp's expression change slightly when I read this

One eyebrow goes slightly up

[FM-Ringmaster]

If a non polinated player visits a polinated PLAYER WAIT
OH MY GOD
THAT WAS N0
THE TACITUAN SWAPPED A BEE ROLE

[FM-Ringmaster]

Yellow snow ability changed because of tacituan
Mafia have a bee ability

[FM-Lassie]

Mm
Guys

I just kinda realized, there’s something wrong with yellow snow card. Dead told me he has an ability rekayed to pollination , yet yellow snow doesn’t talk about bees at all

hm
when did they say this? also how would they know, before Yellow died

[FM-Ringmaster]

hm
when did they say this? also how would they know, before Yellow died

Angry targeted yellow with a spector n0, learning part of his role
It said something to do with pollination
Which isn’t yellow snows ability
Which means mafia used a tactician to swap it
LMAO

[FM-Lassie]

If a non polinated player visits a polinated PLAYER WAIT
OH MY GOD
THAT WAS N0
THE TACITUAN SWAPPED A BEE ROLE

WAIT
that means 4P7's investigation can become a redcheck right?

[FM-Lassie]

Angry targeted yellow with a spector n0, learning part of his role
It said something to do with pollination
Which isn’t yellow snows ability
Which means mafia used a tactician to swap it
LMAO

LOL

[FM-Ringmaster]

WAIT
that means 4P7's investigation can become a redcheck right?

YEP

[FM-Ringmaster]

They learned one sentence from yellow ability: if a polinated player visits a non polinated player, they are polinated or Vice versa
This was paraphrased but

[FM-Lassie]

So
do we massclaim now? also do you know anything else about the role, other than it being able to pollinate players

[FM-Ringmaster]

So
do we massclaim now? also do you know anything else about the role, other than it being able to pollinate players

Know nothing else
They paraphrased it, but if they didn’t like use completely different new words (for some reason using pollination) then it’s gold information

[FM-Lassie]

Know nothing else
They paraphrased it, but if they didn’t like use completely different new words (for some reason using pollination) then it’s gold information

pollination would be bizarre to invent
so probably from the card

[FM-Ringmaster]

Let me check space role to see if it has anything even remotely close to pollination

[FM-Ringmaster]

Does not seem like it works that way
We are now hunting for bees