My vote on MM stays. It pisses me off that Lag solved this before me. MM+SB16 for sure. Last one I thought Pao, but I am not certain.
My vote on MM stays. It pisses me off that Lag solved this before me. MM+SB16 for sure. Last one I thought Pao, but I am not certain.
Stealth, there are posts that PQRN has made that give me pause as to how they can be made from a scum. Also, PQRN reminds me of Mag/oberon SO much and he's fooled me before with his towny posts(might have been your game where I subbed into some anonymous slot), which make me second guess myself again.
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I want your thoughts on the current claim situation:
I rescinded the Medic claim because the roles weren't adding up, I'm voter and I was just providing WIFOM for Medic - like, you know, exactly what voters should do. But then a States Attorney (presumably) fake-claimed voter too, which is super concerning because that role is probably the most dangerous of all the power roles in wolf hands, so the fact that they're now hiding is a huge red flag.
You missed a lot of action. Life happens I get it. But we need to win. What happened is i got pressured here today D2 and I was the FIRST person to reveal my role out of all of us. Obviously not NAI, but I made this decision because............... I came for us, town, to win. So if you are town, then please dont make the mistakes made by me (Frinckles), Guillo (me) and others. WIN THIS FOR US PLESAE!
Why would you expect Paopan to rescind his medic claim? This has the same vibe as earlier when you for some reason thought mafia would think Guillo was medic over Paopan, who CCed Guillo (and Guillo quite obviously wasn't doctor at that point).
Like, PR cover I get. But Paopan was already out in the open. What, then, does claiming medic achieve??
He claimed it beginning of day 2, as well. And Paopan may not have voted simply because Guillo backed off (without actually explicitly backing off for WIFOM reasons) after Paopan CCed him.
@Lag are you expressing doubts about your MM scum read? Or is this intended to bury the scum?
Same as what I said to MM. I promise to you im 100% town (and yea i would say that as scum). If we fuck up D2, we need to have a plan prepared *BEFORE* D2 ends. It is lazy on us to lynch and *then* figure shit out. It is pissing me off that im getting read as scum when I know i am town. So if you/town mislynch me today, please at least make a plan for D3.
The line of thought isn't difficult to follow.
1) I am voter, so I fake-claim medic for WIFOM reasons.
2) I see two people claim voter in turn. I assume that means I was successful in WIFOMing as Medic because Medic must be fake-claiming Voter here, as planned on page 1 of the game.
3) Believing one of you/Loldebite to be Medic and the other voter, with me as the second voter. I assume that Paopan must not be Medic and is just some other role fake-claiming as medic before the mass-claim occurs for WIFOM reasons. Therefore I expect him to rescind the claim.
If that were true, then why did I rescind the medic claim? Why didn't I just stick to it? ESPECIALLY after Renegade said that we're not going to chop a Medic claim today?
Like if I were scum States Attorney then I just stick to the claim and avoid drawing the attention as I was basically given a free pass for the day.
Why would I hand that free pass back in to help solve the game?
I can't really stay, was just popping in to check what was going on and was surprised to see so many new posts. I'll comment a bit more in this case.
I am, but he's part of the lesser evils right now. His nonexistence and his behavior closer to EoD will prove useful later on, and solving a low activity, low content slot based on "positive tells", i.e. things the slot did instead of things related to the slot and things happening to it (or not happening), is risky. He has been outrageously outrageous every time I've seen him play, so it's not exactly telling; but at this point, I'm starting to think he should be charged with the heinous crime of not being towny by PoE. That being said, PQ remains much worse here.
There is actual info to be gained now: who the state attorney is and why they placed a vote on Lag. An anonymous controversial vote is strange, and considering how everyone seems to claim not to be that role, I doubt the attorney is town; it's not impossible they're a misplaying town, but still. Uncovering this is meaningful, because it helps solve both Lag and the SA. It's safe enough to assume scum!SA didn't place a vote on scum!Lag, especially when Lag could very well have died yesterday. Plus, scum!SA, if it exists (which is very possible), is a significant threat. As for drawbacks of massclaiming, there is the risk of losing town!Medic, but WIFOM about self-heals can probably keep them alive if they exist. Other roles are really not that useful for town, except maybe for the vote remover that can successfully harm scum (and even then, it's risky), so the benefits outweigh the drawbacks imo.
Tinfoil theory, but actually not:
States Attorney fake-claimed in order to force the medic fake-claim to reveal so that they can flush out the real medic.
Okay, makes sense. In that case, there is one scum SA hiding among the voter claims, which means we have a wolf in a box. Hello benefit of massclaiming post-SA vote
At this point, fake-claiming as SA = scum, since it's depriving town from information, wasting people's time and just generally wanting to influence the gamestate from the shadows, which is not what townies do.
I am happy with my vote on MM.
I'm not even sure what you're asking here, are you asking:
"If there is a mischop today, does SA + Mayor wolf team win tomorrow?"
To which the answer is no. It would go from 8v2 -> 6v2
Mayor + SA makes it 6v4. Town still has another day.
If it's Mayor + SA + 1 then it goes to 5v3 -> 5v5
Which is concerning, so perhaps Judge should disenfranchise Mayor/SA if we mis-chop today? But that just opens up opportunities for like Mayor + Judge or SA + Judge to win, I think.
But either way, I don't see how this is relevant to what I was asking you?
I hereby propose that either MM or I go today.
Nice, more LAMIST! I am too tired to get into another argument with you, and it would be pointless to do it anyway, since my point has already been beaten to death. If you somehow flip town, we will at least have a ton of information based on interactions and defenses/attacks around you (loldebite voting you, oliver calling your defense literally wifom and trash, Lag who seems to trust you for some unholy reason, even analysis on myself for y'all...).
Stealth said earlier that SA's vote is NAI, and I agreed with that, but...
I'm SA and I put the vote on Lag because
- Frinckles voted for Lag at EoD yesterday, and you, of all people should know how big of a fan I am of listening to the dead.
- Lag deserves to remain in the hot seat because they were a top train yesterday. Figured I'd make it easier.
Also, as added context, I pmed Martin that I wanted to put the vote on Loldebite (for the CFD attempt yesterday), but rescinded it after Frinckle's flip and thinking a little more about the CFD. Trying to resolve Frinckles vs Lag was more important than getting loldebite.
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I am starting to wonder if MM/PQ is actually T/T and the wolves just royally screwed up by getting greedy, trying to protect their SA.
XD
This is probably a good idea, btw: leaving this unsolved is certainly not going to yield positive results for town. I can get behind the thunderdome. And I would love it if people did not fall for the "spamming I'm town and forcing myself to build a world around this false statement" trick again...
The points in this post are pretty terrible.
Frinckles voted for me as a literal last second cross-vote because he knew he was town, and town should have self-preservation.
The only other people that voted me were Guillo and Ren.
Calling a two person train a "top train" because the Mayor happened to be voting me seems super disingenuous
Wait if Voss is SA, then a congressman fake claimed as voter??
I never vote for MM, and the only reason why I might vote for PQRN is because they are talking so much. My earlier posts calling this out were before I saw that there was at least 2x more content.
I think Lag or Pao are good votes
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Okay I am definetly not able to think critically right now lol
Why'd you remain hidden? I confirm the meta part about listening to the dead, but that doesn't make placing an anonymous, unexplained, controversial vote a good idea.
That was done ages ago. Stop spamming your taunts, damnit. It's not fun. I know it helps convince people through sheer repetition because you drown them into your restated arguments until they believe them, but it's just rude and not so pro-town ;)
Let's break this down.
anonymous
My power is anonymous, so yes. I don't 'ppreciate the negative connotation. Do you think I should have outed d2 that it was me that put the vote on Lag? It seems like you do with this post.
unexplained
Sorry I couldn't explain it, but that's what being anonymous entails.
controversial
I don't know why you keep calling Frinckles and Lag votes yesterday controversial. Just because frinckles and lag weren't your ideal trains yesterday doesn't make them super controversial. Controversial trains would have been like Guillo vs Ren.
yeah, please don't make me ask martin to ask you to cool it. i'm just skimming the catch up day 2 pages and find myself having to reread the posts that you didn't make.
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
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FM XXI: USA (Escort)
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
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FM XXI: USA (Escort)
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