I realize now that the town will be able to see most of the actions the next day, so my justification theory for not doing a mass claim isn’t as great
Originally Posted by
Lag
This vote pings me.
It's one thing to see oliver making a read like that and realizing there is almost no way he makes a post like that as wolf, therefore you think oliver is town.
It's another thing to see the post and actually agree with it, because the accuracy of the read is quite bad. I can link several games directly contradicting the meta read - and considering that you were in multiple of those games, the fact that you go along with a meta read that you should know is just wrong is dubious.
But the real kicker is the hedgy "not sold about it yet" - it's RVS, you can vote whatever, feeling like you have to justify/hedge a vote made not even 25 (player) posts into the game feels like a wolf that's trying to not step on toes here.
Lag never said Oliverz is wrong for the read, and just mentioned some other games.
Originally Posted by
Guillo
The bolded sums up why you are a wolf.
1) You admitted to have never played with Lag, so you got no meta, no nothing.
2) Express satisfaction for Oliverz meta read
3) Agrees with Oliverz with his meta read, even though you have never played with Lag.
4) And last, you attempt to pocket me.
-vote Voss
Get wrecked
Sorry for the compliment man. I’ve played with some shiite players on this site and you and Lag being from different communities makes me more excited to participate in the game.
And as for Lag, I have an expectation of how I think his play would be based off my conversations with him, me lightly skimming games with him in it, and him being a literal fm staff member, so I think my meta read expectation is not misplaced.
Originally Posted by
Renegade
I'm getting strange scum vibes from PQR this game. Something is off about his tone, he is usually very confident but he seems more confident than usual.
I liked this post a lot. This is why he’s a town for me. Very out of the blue commentary, but it’s an unafraid stance.
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
Ok, welcome to the great chinese text-wall of Pao zedong. I wrote it after post #107. Its mainly based on thoughts i had while rereading.
first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all. (yet).
mass claiming has yet to be fully thougth thru.
considering claims: guillo claimed medic.
IS ANYONE COUNTER-CLAIMING MEDIC???
to: lags#42. I never claimed rvs was over. Just my vote on you wasnt rvs.
btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw
I don’t see how scum making the “IS ANYONE COUNTER CLAIMING MEDIC” post here. He’s a town for me.
Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Funny, I just posted at around the same time replying to your other post. Because Paopan is always like that. Is Frinckles like that? Not from my recollection, or it would have stuck in my memory. All caps non-sense. Unless this is Frinckles D1 specifically. I remember Frinckles being thoughtful and mechanical in past games (forget the name of the game, but one we he and i and others won together when I was slightly fearful Frinckles made a big brain play as scum to appear super towny). So far in this game, Frinckles is Null and Void. Is that only because it's D1? I don't know, I can't memorize all players' metas by day.
This so much. The last narrator game we played, crinkles just trolled the entire time. If anything, this is making a case for me to vote for wrinkles over pao.
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I am not saying you usually are a boring machine-like person/player xD. Your tone did strike me as different when I first read your posts, though (even before I read oliver's), and you're not the epitome of townness as of right now, whereas you usually are pretty much that. I can't say I have a solid read on you, but I certainly have my eye on you. And to be honest, the only thing you can do to change my mind is to be towny, not to debate whether or not your tone feels different - plus, that's unproductive. I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons:
- I agreed with him that there could be something fishy about you, so why not say it
- We mindmelded in our interpretation of your very early style, which is a point in favor of town!Oliver and gives more credibility to what honestly was just a hunch
- It was an extremely spicy stance to start the game with: a read with that kind of strenght and confidence on the very first page is relatively rare. Also, I don't get to attack you every D1 start, so I might as well take my chance when it comes xD.
I feel like this is town MM. “And to be honest, the only thing you can do to change my mind is to be towny”. I guess I could see a scum MM say that, but I choose not to believe it here.
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.
Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.
I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.
I like this. Different style of pushing from Guillo, and one that I found townier because it’s not abrasive. You’re probably expecting my troll vibe from discord, and you’re likely not going to find it because I’m not spending so much time on here.
Also, I’ll likely go back and reread yet again, why I liked Oliverz initial take on Lag. Thanks for the prod.
Although you voting for MM makes me sad
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I have no idea what this means. I never talk about my FM games with anyone outside of thread especially not people who are playing regardless of whether they're dead.
Except one time I told Oberon "My bad" immediately after lynching him and he flipped town. But that's it, really.
If prodded, I’ll try and give more thoughtful answers (although I’m not sure if I’m capable), but this post seems like when Lag was “pressured”. The response is weird, and not how I’d react if I was scum in his position.
Originally Posted by
NotPaopan
Okay! I won't vote you today
Chill. Chill. I already hired a translator. I can now speak proper English! The Anglo-Saxons would be so proud of me. But yeah... minus scredits for me.
Are you soft-claiming judge?
Both of you are actually very rude that I almost want to OMGUS. I actually felt I had an awesome opening on the RVS stage.
Sorry. But I'm counterclaiming this. I'm the real medic.
Actively searching for pr claims. This is an obvious one, unlike the other “fishing for prs” that I didn’t see actively happening.
Originally Posted by
Guillo
Do you know why im sure you are scum.
Because
1) You believed the counter claim blindly, so you must know Pao is at least town.
2) You are banking on the CC to get me chopped, you are also not treating e like scum but like a townie with an alleged gambit gone wrong! You know im town baby! You TMIed me.
Also, say Pao was telling the truth, even if Pao was telling the truth and they actually CCed, how is it my fault that he did? How would I know that Pao would game throw by counter claiming me on day 1? How would i know that there was a newbie here playing a set up like this instead of a game for newbies and make such suboptimal play, again, if he was telling the truth.
I think Stealth saying that he told other people not to talk about your medic claim is a good reason on why he didn't "fall for it". Seems like you're power wolfing now.