Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Quite happy to see Zeus gone, am content with Boba and MM for elimination purposes, not happy with Seanzie dead but makes perfect sense for scum to eliminate him.
Given the number of deaths, there seem to be quite some killer cards out there.
I chose to end the day early for following reasons:
1. I did not like where the ITA plan was going. Multiple individuals, including myself, expressed the limited time in those last 12 hours (due to sleep).
2. Multiple people (some of them scum, surely, like Pao himself) wanted to shoot however they pleased.
3. DoctorZeus expressed planning to shoot me and keeps tunnelling me for whatever reason.
4. As I said earlier, I wanted us to gain information about N1 developments before performing mass shootings.
5. I wanted to buy us time to think, not only about Pao's flip but also how to improve our ITA strategy D2. The sleep consideration will remain a concern, I had considered setting alarms as needed during the night, but my previous FM game took a toll on my health as it is, I can't let games do this to me.
6. Things are never 100%, I was comfortable with Pao lynch/shot/kill (one of my scum suspects, just not 100%), but if he flipped town, I had fear that folks would go after me next as I was the 2nd train (I do recognize this may have been a premature thought as I had some good backing from others whose votes were already on Pao and they probably wouldnt have asked for me to be the 2nd ITA victim, but concern #2 still applied). I went for an option that was closer to 100% to save myself at this time (Town, as known to me) as opposed to rolling dice with madmen(or women) shooting or folks going on the basis of votes (I had 2nd highest). My main fear there was that maybe I would die for being the last 5th voter on Pao (some cards result in death of the hammering vote), but I escaped that possibility. I do recognize that shooting outside of agreements would look scummy and give us good scum-reads, but I am pretty sure we have Townies also not wanting to follow through, so I don't believe ITA mechanic alone would have pinpointed all the scum. In short, I believe buying us more time is reasonable, we can still do our magic D2, albeit with fewer players remaining, but I am happy that we have 1 fewer mafioso remaining.
7. Not a reason for my action, but a nice outcome. I am pretty sure that other NA-based players on our Town team appreciated the extra time and sleep
I fully expect HK and his dislike of me to evolve into "both Pao and PQR were scum and PQR hammered early to avoid more damage". I do see it is a plausible scenario (which I, myself, know not to be the case), but I am also wary of Scum who know they didn't hammer (I did) shading the hammering player today.
Double jeopardy time.
Okay I may
not still like nor agree with your thought proccesses but they seem consistent so far. I'm going to start putting you tentatively in the town box for now. At least it's good to know where the early end of day came from, not that I like having days end early.
Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
So scenarios are:
1. Message was sent by Town with their genuine views. Zeus has flipped 3P so that's a nothingburger. Mesk/oliver is also in my notes as a potential suspect partner to Pao, but would they really both vote up MM (2 scum and only 2 scum voting MM who is now known to be town)? For Gikkle, I noted they voted Pao early on "without explanation" (I think Pao's words, as I put quotes in my notes). Possible bussing.
2. Message was sent by Pao's scum partner intended to induce a mislynch/misshot.
I don't quite understand point 2 in your post there, but here are my notes for deathworlds.
Deathworlds. Was one of my top townreads earlier. Pao made an incorrect statement about Deathworlds voting MM, deathworlds was first to catch it and point it out. Can that be bussing? I don't think so, I think deathworlds is town still (not 100% ofc). Pao gave them a -1 pt for DW's statement that someone acting uncharacteristically smart could be a sign of getting coached by their team (something I also suggested). I tend to think both DW and I were correct in that regard! But I did find it surprising that deathworlds insisted on voting me, so I need to be aware of the possibility that this was to form a CW to save Pao.
I was voting you at the time because I was in a classic deathtunnel I think, saw some things about your slot I did not like at all and focused on them, water under the bridge. At least I'm still apart of your "towncore"
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
in retrospect bus drivering Seanzie with someone else was probably not the brightest idea I could have done
because I cant tell if I got blocked or if the person switched with Seanzie was targeted for an NK
the former would be less interesting yet possible but the latter would be more interesting to know if that were the case
did anyone use a protective action on Seanzie last night?
Seanzie and Gikkle? Seems like an okay swap I guess?
Seanzie was a top town read of mine and pretty universally town read, Gikkle (from my perspective) would've been an easy TK or town investigative shot.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
IIRC there's only 2 : Lag's Own Risk and Once Upon a Town in the West, which was his very first.
I also TR him D1, but the hammer i have trouble explaining myself. The hollow/PQR thingy going so smoothly makes my spine shiver, idk i feel weird about it.
On the other hand, PQR was extremely survival-oriented in the Politico game too, so i guess that makes sense, after all...
I was going to quote this to note that PQ was in lag's game and completely trounced us, but I guess I just missed that in my quick read of the thread.
Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
So now I really have little to hide
I think with double elimination via voting, we gain some control for the scenario in which ITA deaths are not immediate flips. That is to say, we could choose to skip ITA altogether and anyone who shoots is a violator that gets lynched. And we just focus on our 2 lynches today.
Someone has a LOT of lynch manipulation mechanics, early lynch and a double elimination? Hot damn, that could be a very useful set for scum that was confident in their ability to manipulate town and potentially bus their weaker scum mate, but that's a bit of a tin-foil theory.
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
i dont
and i dont fcking care what info you will get from this
i think i have the game solved
BUT ONLY IF YOU DONT POST the great chinesese wall of text again. i have 500mb of screenshots i will have to put into a text. God will help me, i hope.
I don't really like this slot already, but I am interested in what you have to say.
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
i voted mm?=
and i have a case on deathworlds.
Please tell us more about the case so that I can poke holes in it, I'd love to see you try, unless you're actually town, in which case just shut up.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
I hate all this shit. Why did all of you use actions? I just get bonus shit for winning. I sacrificed a protective card to get cooler shit when I win.
We better fucking win guys. I will mald if we lose after that day 1 hard ass read.
You get bonus shit from winning? I uh, guess that
could be a card, although I can see why you would use it from a town perspective since we actually got scum on d1 which was a major win for town.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
You really think loldebite could be scum here after day 1? Justify that for me.
Why is deathworlds so high up on your list?
loldebite is a pretty solid town read for me as well.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
FMPOV loldebite and I have the exact same views on everything right now and should be treated as equal.
I liked deathworlds on day 1 but I have an awful vibe about them now that I can’t quite place. I wish I had the time to go back and figure out what it was.
If you could clarify that whatever that awful vibe about me is I could try and help you get over it, that is if that vibe is still there.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
-vote Oliverz144
Also now that I've thought about it more the very fact that Gikkle KNEW it was him who I bussed, that confirms I wasn't blocked and very likely Gikkle was an NK target
so unless someone wants to own up to shooting Gikkle I suggest we treat the Seanzie/Gikkle attack as being done by mafia
I really don't see the pov where scum shoots gikkle, shooting seanzie, maybe, but not gikkle, I think scum would leave Gikkle alone since they were a somewhat hot topic yesterday.
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
The alternative is that mafia killed Boba or MM, both of whom were suspected (In the case of MM, he was one of the top wagons).
I'll just straight up disregard the possibility mafia killed Boba. If MM was killed by mafia, why?
MM being killed by mafia seems so outlandish to me, they were a lurker slot and lurking!MM = scum!MM, except in this case I guess.
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
I should elaborate, I chose my kill at night.
Did you kill someone last night?
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Or Martin is scum, used bus driver to get around any protectives, and told us about the bus drive for town points.
I guess?
Abilities are NAI in this game, much like KRC or some bastard games. I think the honesty gets some points from me for now, although I am still somewhat suspicious of Martin since I'd expect them to be a bit more solvy this game.
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
I think Hollowkatt and SB16 are could have been bussing Paopan with the intention that they felt he would likely not survive ITA shenanigans. If the goal was to be on the correct side of a dead mafia!paopan, placing their votes on him with under an hour before ITAs were unlocked would be a good way to do it. In a way, I guess the result could be the same since PQR ended the day early- they look like they're on the correct side of the lynch. Paopan has encouraged teammates to bus him on multiple occasions and SB16/HK are pretty good at bussing. Even if neither of these suspicions are true, I can't really give credit to anyone who was on that wagon except for PQR but I still feel like that's the best place to lynch.
Who would you give town credit to then? Who are your town reads, your scum reads? Clarify in a list, preferably with colors to make it easier to read.
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
If you're talking about my kill, I submitted my kill action that will occur at the end of the day when a ICBM will land on somebody's head. The player will be taken-aback by the sheer concussive force of the large object hitting them and they'll be stammer around confused. As the bomb slowly rolls to the other end of the room, the player will reflect briefly about their favorite ride in Disney World. After a few seconds the nuclear bomb will detonate. I have the nuclear codes to de-activate it.
Is this a role-block/black mail + kill? Seems a bit goofy to me, less cryptic nonesense and more mechanics please!
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
I should clarify this, I do not think PQR is Mafia. The "best place to lynch" is HK/SB.
Probably should have used 'so' instead of 'but'.
I'd be okay with an hk lynch I think, I'd have to reread them to see if I like what they say.
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
Jeeze, that's like a way to make me immediately not interesting in digging through people's ISO; I'm allergic to BD stuff.
Town!DW on the other hand might have fun figuring all that shit out.
Seems simple.
Martin claims to have swapped gikkle and seanzie.
All actions that would've affected seanzie would've affected gikkle and vice versa
When analyzing what happened to each slot one would work from the perspective that their intended target was the other.
Gikkle is alive and well.
Seanzie is not, seanzie is very much dead.
There where three kills, Seanzie/Gikkle, MM, and Boba Fett.
Boba was shot by bradland, which makes sense from a town!pov on n1.
MM was killed by something or someone, which really confuses me.
Seanzie is dead, but was swapped with Gikkle, so unless someone used a brute attack to directly kill Seanzie, they meant to kill Gikkle, which doesn't really make sense from a scum!pov to me, neither does killing Gikkle from a town!pov. I think the only real possibility is strongman/brute/unblockable attack on Seanzie, considering they were a universal town read and likely would've had protections on them. OR Martin is lying about the bus entirely, unless BD gives feedback which Gikkle I think claimed did not.
Who killed MM and why? This is really going to bother me and something I chew on for a while.
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
Speaking of DW, I'm kind of surprised "Mr. Mechanix" isn't on yet.
I slept in, also I do not appreciate the offloading of mental work on me, not cool dude.
Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
--
Just going through my list.
I will accept Loldebite's affirmation that he is town.
I'm wondering if Bradland's outbursts come from town though. Probably, right?
I think those are both pretty safe town reads.
Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
Takumi feels like townie even being wrong af on me
townie bucket:
gikkle - functionally confirmed via bus drive between him and senzie
hk - obvs I'm putting myself here
takumi - does not feel like they're posting with an agenda. thoughts seem somewhat straightforward to arrive at even if I disagree with the destination
PQR - pure af tone and oozes town
loldebite - posting strong today, like their angles, like their "just say shit" takes.
How is gikkle "functionally confirmed"? I don't think
anyone is mechanically confirmed in a setup where you bring your own abilities.
Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
leaning townie bucket:
martin? - I liked them early in the day D1 and nothing they've said here sticks out as super wolfy. ? is for the bus drive though, like why gikkle to seanzie?
SB16? - Todays posting is pretty good, I liked some of the questioning they've done
basically leaves me at:
oliverz - Maybe swap here for martin, don't really have a good reason for them to be POE other than they're less town than the aboves basically.
deathworlds - who?
bradland - have they even posted?
basically I know nothing about death and brad so they're poe by default. nothing they've said sticks out to me which is generally indicative of wolves sliding under the radar.
as a poe...
I have done nothing but stay under the radar, I may not have interacted with you a whole lot on D1 but I am pretty consistently a top poster in whatever game I am in, fuck outta here with that.
Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
I'd have to read martins ISO but I don't recall him expressing a strong town read on gikkle headed into the end of the day. Flips I guess could have changed that given that gikkle was early on Paopan and really didn't seem to waiver.
Thanks for the reminder to reread martin, I'm still chewing on the fact that the claimed bussing was Gikkle and Seanzie, seanzie makes sense but bussing Gikkle seems like a recipe for investigatives to fuck up
Originally Posted by
BradLand
I can shoot after a wolf flip.
Here is the wolf flip shooting claim, also previously a claim that they shot boba, which I think makes sense from a town pov
What a weird win-more card to have.