KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Mining Peep]

is there a reason to tr breakup

[FM-Old Lickilicky]

is there a reason to tr breakup

i scumread him actually, hes my vengeful target for a while now

[FM-Mining Peep]

where hippo

[FM-Catnip]

i scumread him actually, hes my vengeful target for a while now

She

[FM-Catnip]

Had work to do tonight (fucking around) so I haven't actually done any additional work and my eye is starting to twitch which means it's bedtime. Goodnight

[FM-Old Lickilicky]

she*

[FM-Breakup]

i scumread him actually, hes my vengeful target for a while now

her*

[FM-Breakup]

She

god bless

[FM-Breakup]

btw im gonna be more unavailable going forward, so im gonna try my best to be active whenver I can but when stuff aint happening its hard to Do that

[FM-Mining Peep]

FM-Autumn:
FM-Breakup:
FM-Catnip:
FM-Chibi Minnie: killed yellow snow?
FM-Choo-Choo: very towny RT, unsure what else
FM-Chromatography:
FM-Eyescream:
FM-Four Past Seven: killed zomg
FM-Lassie: killed candyfloss
FM-Lipstick: killed goblin and worg
FM-Old Lickilicky:
FM-Peekaboo: killed scarf? i think lol
FM-Platypus:
FM-Player 2:
FM-Protagonist Hair: killed space pizza
FM-The Great Flood: killed pareidolia
FM-Tiny Hippo:

someone help me fill in contributions or +towny point (mech, killing wolves, etc)

i missed a lot of days 1-3 so I feel like I'm missing much context

I think a lot of the shots that killed wolves in itas were p towny tho, shrug ones on poe slots less points deeper wolves +points

i really just am trying to find reasons outside of posting to TR hippo/licky/platypus/chroma/breakup/catnip

[FM-Mining Peep]

i think lassie's shot was extremely towny
peekaboo killing scarf seems like it was a big deal but i kinda missed that train, just saw ppl referencing it
lipstick's kill on goblin and worg is likely never w/w

protagonist hair killing pizza could be w/w but I'm leaning not

great flood killing pareidolia isn't clearing cuz iirc pareidolia was on shotlists at the time, i think I was in thread and chose not to shoot them because I kept misspelling their name funny enough but I could spell heterochromia but maybe im mixing up days lol but that's why i kinda remember them being poe, correct me if im wrong

i have 0 context on if the zomg kill was clearing or not but I tr four past seven so shrug

i think the chibi killing yellow snow conceptually is v towny, especially cuz iirc they worked with hippo to do it? but yellow snow was gonna die eventually so maybe it was just a bus thing. My gut says that's not the case due to the fact that chibi hasn't used said cred, though.

I wanna note that candyfloss did shoot at catnip prior to death death, and I kinda kinda KINDA feel like it does clear catnip. It's like one of those things where they wanted to do a socially acceptable shot (had they not died) i think

[FM-Mining Peep]

lemme shoot pizza and lemme shoot first since I have a +1 strenght on my ita so the wound should do more if I miss
also if I kill pizza i want the credit

this is a good look i think

[FM-Mining Peep]

Candy+Pizza + someone in the deep sounds more real than anything atm

same for this but like makes me think protag is the deep wolf lol : P

[FM-Mining Peep]

I think choo choo's rt is only really super towny if catnip is a wolf

otherwise it's like. a thing that happened

[FM-Lipstick]

Many of the people who shot at Zomg/Pareidolia are in PoE. It’s worth looking at how the shot list was being made. Pretty damn likely wolves bussed there when it was clear they weren’t going to survive.

I cased Scarf and argued for the kill there. I argued it since ITAs that day actually, but only cases later. Others helped after that. Pizza and Candy’s reaction to the case was more “hmm maybe” and I don’t really think wolves wanted Scarf to go over.

I think it’s worth to go back to D3 and see who was really pulling for wolves to go down in a meaningful way. I know I was the loudest voice, but others would’ve helped.

[FM-Mining Peep]

KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game

Night 4

Vote Counts
Note: Votes are NOT in chronological order.

FM-Droopy Snout (6): FM-Chromatography, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Breakup, FM-Player 2, FM-Platypus FM-The Great Flood (4): FM-Autumn, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Lipstick, FM-Droopy Snout FM-Four Past Seven (2): FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Ringmaster FM-Catnip (1): FM-Eyescream FM-Chromatography (1): FM-Catnip Not Voting (6): FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Four Past Seven, FM-Lassie, FM-Peekaboo, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Tiny Hippo

FM-Droopy Snout has been killed.

Their Flip

Spoiler : Flip : Alignment: Town Role: Gift Maker Factional Abilities: Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities. Win Condition: Eliminate all anti-town factions. Rolecard: Each Night, you may select three presents and send them to three different players, you may send at most one “Dangerous Item” each Night, the gifts are received at SoD. You may not send a gift to a player you have sent a gift to before, unless you have already sent a gift to every living player. Additionally you cannot send the same gift twice. Players who receive your gifts have two choices, open the gift, receiving the contents. Or decline the gift by passing it to another player of their choosing. If they do not choose within 12 hours then they will be considered as having declined and will pass it to a random player. If a player receives the item with less than 12 hours in the day phase, then they may hold it through the Night and pass it during the following SoD. Santa's List, all items are multitaskable unless stated otherwise: Kid-Friendly Items Ticket to Disneyland (1-shot) - The holder of this item at EoD compulsively goes to Disneyland that Night and commutes for the night. A Little Tikes Cozy Coupe (1-shot) - The holder of this item at EoD compulsively uses it and bus drives two players that Night. This action will not redirect killing or protective actions. A Disposable Camera (1-shot) - The holder of this item at EoD compulsively uses it to send another player of their choice a “picture” of their rolecard that night. (Self-Rolecop) A Pair of Very Squeaky Sneakers (1-shot) - The holder of this item at EoD compulsively wears the Sneakers, making all of their visits that night so loud that the whole town hears them. (who they visit is posted in thread at SoD). A Frog (1-shot) - The holder of this item must make a post in thread with A-Z facts about Frogs. E.g: A is for Amphibian, because frogs are Amphibians! B is for Boing! Frogs can jump 10 to 20 times their body length. Wow! etc. The facts do not need to be true. Failure to do this by EoD will lock them out of using any role actions that night. Coal - It doesn't do anything The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein - The holder will be a tree stump for one cycle upon death. Can be passed as a multitaskable action. An Old, Used iPod from 2008 - It seems broken, it keeps playing this song on loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ A Plastic Stethoscope (1-shot) - The holder of this item at EoD compulsively uses the plastic stethoscope to apply a Level 4 Mend on a target of their choice that night. Dangerous Items: A Literal Bomb - The person who opens this gift dies. Attempting to pass the gift will result in the death of the original recipient. This item can only be gifted to a player who made less than 30 posts during the previous Day phase. A Gun (1-shot) - The holder of this item may target a player during the Day who posted less than 35 times during the previous Day phase. If the shooter is town and their target is non-town, then the target dies with only a role flip. If the shooter is town and their target is town, then the shooter dies. If the shooter is non-town, then the target dies with only a role flip. This kill is piercing. If the target is somehow protected from piercing day kills, then the gun is used without further effect. If the shooter successfully killed a player, that player's full flip will be posted once the shooter dies. A Knife (1-shot) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6gBu2Zd7Bc The holder of this item at EoD is so excited that they begin running around with this item. They must specify what player they run towards with the knife that Night. The chosen player must have made no more than 40 posts during the previous Day. Both the holder of this item and the player they run towards take 13 Levels of Wound. * After you run out of items, you can continue to send gag-gifts of your own creation, (e.g Coal, Used iPod, etc.), however they may have no mechanical usage other than being inert items.

Players Alive

Graveyard

@FM-Autumn @FM-Breakup @FM-Catnip @FM-Chibi Minnie @FM-Choo-Choo @FM-Chromatography @FM-Eyescream @FM-Four Past Seven @FM-Lassie @FM-Lipstick @FM-Mining Peep @FM-Old Lickilicky @FM-Peekaboo @FM-Platypus @FM-Player 2 @FM-Protagonist Hair @FM-Ringmaster @FM-The Great Flood @FM-Tiny Hippo

FM-Pilgrim Anatomy FM-Grate FM-Fluffernuts FM-Sonrisa FM-Tinnitus FM-Turquoise FM-Heterochromia FM-Angry Rectangle FM-Not Enough Legs FM-Pyramid FM-Decepticon FM-Wakka Wakka FM-Thumbs Up FM-Popcorn Axolotl FM-Red Cross FM-Disco Dancer FM-Matchstick Man FM-Naptime FM-Sad Super Saiyan FM-Talking Anthill FM-Hon Hon Hon FM-Snuggles FM-Oink FM-Pareidolia FM-ZOMG FM-Goblin and Worg FM-Scarf FM-Monet Rocket FM-Goldfish Bowl FM-Bad Hair Day FM-Joycat FM-Mr Clean FM-The Hat FM-Yellow Snow FM-Space Pizza FM-Dredge FM-Candyfloss FM-Droopy Snout

Night 4 Ends at 3 PM CST on Tuesday April 2nd

Night action deadline is 3 hours before SoD

there's probably a wolf on the droopy wagon if great flood is a wolf

[FM-Mining Peep]

also I just read Chroma's iso from the past few days and I'm pretty confident they're town or 3p, some light 3p vibes for sure but I think their general contributions and pushes are all pretty towny so I don't wanna go there atm

I think we really have to just gun down flood and see where that takes us.

[FM-Mining Peep]

Can someone explain to me how tiny hippo is mech confirmed town? Why isn't he dead

[FM-Mining Peep]

Many of the people who shot at Zomg/Pareidolia are in PoE. It’s worth looking at how the shot list was being made. Pretty damn likely wolves bussed there when it was clear they weren’t going to survive.

I cased Scarf and argued for the kill there. I argued it since ITAs that day actually, but only cases later. Others helped after that. Pizza and Candy’s reaction to the case was more “hmm maybe” and I don’t really think wolves wanted Scarf to go over.

I think it’s worth to go back to D3 and see who was really pulling for wolves to go down in a meaningful way. I know I was the loudest voice, but others would’ve helped.

That's a yall thing. Probably easier when you have memories of where that stuff happened

It's been a headache navigating the thread lol

[FM-Mining Peep]

Chroma + chibi have some wolf equity together I think

[FM-Mining Peep]

Did I post about how breakup is really towny yet? I just made like 10 posts they all blend together

breakup is very towny read their iso

[FM-Mining Peep]

I think I don't want to kill catnip today. Like I don't think they should be shot at

which is sad because they have said they're going to pew pew me frame 1 for 0 reason

[FM-Mining Peep]

ok im gonna hop in bed ill try to be here for ita1 but probs will be here for ita2 instead

please kill flood and try to convince catnip not to ita me and if they do kill me u probably should flip them

[FM-Eyescream]

I still don't think town!Catnip actually pushes for Mining Peep after all that. I don't think they had any particular thoughts about that slot before the reaction test started, and once that was over all of a sudden it was "Oh yeah, we should definitely shoot Peep and shoot them and then me.". Doesn't connect for me as something Catnip was actually believing in. Especially when their reasoning was sheeping other quotes that made them look wolfy...when I'm pretty sure there was one, maybe two quotes that were about Peep's wolfiness and not spew from Peep in the case he was Red checked.

[FM-Eyescream]

I've been talking about my reads this entire time! Here's my sheet's last "do I townread this person" field, though I made this last night so it might be sleepypilled

FM-Ringmaster - yes
FM-Catnip - yes
FM-Autumn - yes
FM-Player 2 - yes
FM-Old Lickilicky - yes
FM-Tiny Hippo - yes
FM-Lassie - yes
FM-Protagonist Hair - yeah
FM-Lipstick - yeah
FM-Peekaboo - maybe
FM-Mining Peep - maybe
FM-Choo-Choo - maybe
FM-Eyescream - maybe
FM-Chibi Minnie - maybe
FM-Droopy Snout - meh
FM-Breakup - meh
FM-The Great Flood - no
FM-Chromatography - no
FM-Four Past Seven - no
FM-Platypus - no

Mining Peep is very on-point for their level of engagement with the game and that really is the kind if slot that has just been wolf this game… is the well of TMI dry or can we pull up another bucket…

Peekaboo. Mining Peep. Peekaboo. Peekaboo. Mining Peep…

Ok, to be fair, it's not like they didn't have some level of scumread on Peep, but the confidence definitely came out of nowhere after the RT

[FM-Choo-Choo]

so. I re-read the reactions to my fish (while it was active, not any past me revealing it was a fish). Haven't dove deep into all of them, however, my impression was generally this:
towny: Chroma, P2, Protag
~Null: Peekaboo, Platypus (?)
wolfy: catnip, chibi minnie, Lassie

I didn't like Lassie's insistence on reading up and catching up before posting anything:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still need to read up but !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mmmmmmm
Haven't read hard into Mining's spew because... well yeah lol
Obviously you're probably town if he's wolf

other than that I'd have to check who defended them / who they defended
and probably read for TMI because they look like they've done a lot of that

I will
I want to read up first tho

It reads like they're stalling because they're not read up, and don't want to play into something that they don't know that much about. As if Lassie knew that they had to tread carefully and wanted to calculate their posts with the knowledge of what was happening because they suspected it was an rf (via knowing we're v/v).

I don't think this is a reaction a villager would have -- the reactions I expected from villagers was more similar to Chroma/P2, who shifted their worldview and dug into what was happening pretty quickly.

Following this train of logic, I read a little bit of Lassie's ISO:

Spoiler : Lassie's D1 :

mildly wolfy post
given they're paying attention to their opener instead of just entering thread

(reading up)

mildly wolfreads catnip's opening post in their first post of the game. ~NAI entry

wait this is enough for a TR to you? This seems like a nothing post imo

good post

Immediately begins to buddy with Scarf

yeah idk if this is a partly a joke but even if not, this feels pretty awkward

Shades Parei. Slightly good look, maintains it throughout D1. Doesn't ever push there (D1, at least), but that's not really a big point against them.

reading up is taking way longer than I thought so I'll have to finish that later
here's my reads so far (I'd link the postnumbers but idk how )

FM-Scarf - townread - good post about not finding a TR reason meaningful, and I’m mindmelding with them here:



I also like 200, which gave a read on 196 in the same minute.

243 I mindmeld with but it also pings me


I agree with the post (and think it’s pretty sus to unironically townread people for that stuff), but it also feels like a wolf annoyed at town TRing each other for bad reasons

Overall 243 is null, probably looks good for the people TRing each other if FM-Scarf is wolf, but FM-Scarf is pretty towny so I doubt that





FM-Pareidolia - Awkward entrance, light wolf

FM-Eyescream - lean wolf - Some reads look fake, examples: 180, 171 (in fact the post quoted here seems wolfy if anything); 197 is mildly towny but a wolf can just have had that thought process genuinely happen so it’s kinda meh

FM-Catnip - talked about choosing their opener first post, lean wolf - 286 feels fake (though part of that is that I don’t think Naptime’s early posts were unfunny, but even ignoring that, Catnip liking the post about doling out a ton of townreads and then disliking the post saying “yeah these townreads are pretty sus” feels bizarre, given they’re clearly pretty linked)

Continues to buddy pretty hard with with Scarf, and gives an awkward tmi-y comment about Scarf being a wolf in their townread justification that they completely throw away. Hard to fault Lassie specifically for townreading Scarf, but that comment is just way over the top

reading thru Matchstick's ISO they're towny
the one thing that pinged me was seeing the fact they skipped the first few pages then said "yeah there's alignment indicative things in the first 8 pages", but that's not a big deal imo



this comment is towny, and I'm unsure if there's a wolf mindset behind this post that makes any sense
Feels pretty hard to come up with the thought of being angry at a lowposter being voted
can kiiiiiiiiiiinda see it if Pilgirm is a wolfmate but even then it's eh, since as a wolf one usually finds wagons on wolfmates to be correct and sensible


Also their posts about Pilgrim's wagon are pretty good; based on the posts they quoted I agree that some people's reasons for voting Pilgrim are pretty meh, and I also agree Pilgrim's been pretty wolfy



(example of above)
this post also feels hard to fake

---

sure they don't have super detailed reads but that fits with their belief about joke posts being nai and overanalyzing them being bad

am I missing reasons people wolfread them? or what

Posts a townread on matchstick, prompted there probably because there was a general wagon. Tonally reads like they're townreading matchstick and that it's not shaky, especially with the "am I missing reasons people wolfread them? or what" comment attached at the end. Reads like a stable read. Has a few hedgey comments but nothing too severe.

Also is there a sbpc list anywhere, I like to use that as a sanity check against my thoughts lol.

oh also while reading through that iso I found this
towny post

townreads naptime for this post?? Lassie could've justified this townread with so many other posts that seem super reasonable but this post is like, completely NAI and reads like tmi to me. I think this was mostly brushed over because Naptime was pretty obvious villager, but this read reads so much like tmi

They popped into a pretty intense situation with Hat/Legs (And I'll note that they say they sus Hat) and ignored it in favour of making a read on someone's post in the middle. (Which proves they were reading thread.) They then added a few more posts without acknowledging or weighing into the situation where several people were talking about/sussing someone they claim to have as a scumread.

oh
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fair enough
I'll go and try finding the context

thanks me

ok thread died instantly, gonna go do those ISOs now

I am here
and also melting

semi reading the context around




which I'm pretty sure is the posts Goblin was referring to, I can kinda see it? esp because they were apparently wolfreading Hat later (which is who they're townreading above)

but given they popped in to make two posts and left, it seems reasonable for them to not engage with the big argument if they simply don't have time/wim
idk

Again, sticks to scarf a whole lot, begins to doubt their townread on Matchstick upon the prompting of Goblin. I haven't quoted all of Lassie's posts, but this is the majority of them by now, and this is almost exclusively speaking with flipped wolves.

[scarf is talking to hippo] I’m still against Candy as an elim because of the fact that five people with wolf equity all flamed them for an innocent post, but I can’t be fucked to defend a slankposter more than this so go wild

do you think Match is significantly wolfier than Pilgrim? i don't trust my reads too much since I haven't been able to read a lot, but I'd call match lean town if people weren't wolfreading them

Not *significantly* but I think s!match —> t!pilgrim and I’m more confident in the match read here

mmmmmmmm
why does s!match -> t!pilgrim? iirc match was saying something like "pilgrim is wolfy but people are pushing them for bad reasons"
so how does that follow (or is it something else entirely)

Interaction prompted by Lassie, speaking to scarf yet again. Justifies loose reads by not being read up (which, don't want to sus activity, but :P ) and speaks about being willing to completely change their reads because of thread having a different opinion - willing to lean town matchstick *if people weren't wolfreading them*? Super self-conscious about their read on Matchstick and doesn't want to appear wrong.

[this interaction continues from the stack I have quoted above]
I go over it in my ISO of match but it read like match TMI’d the pilgrim read was wrong, and was setting up to be wrong and have other people take the fall

Really really didn’t like it

after reading this now I see that
also I really don't like the "oh this setup probably has super powerful town roles so there's a lot of wolves"

-vote FM-Matchstick Man

Changes their read on matchstick (townread --> hedge --> wolfread) all through Scarf (and a little from Goblin). To be fair, that iso may have been convincing, I don't remember it and I didn't read it. But Lassie's D1 so far has just been making a few reads on a few slots, sticking to what seems to be two of them (pilgrim and scarf, unknown about the others because they're not posted about). However, the Pilgrim = wolfy read doesn't even stick, as Lassie sheeps near EoD:

@FM-Scarf

I'm not up to date w/ new cases etc
who do you want to lim

I trust scarf

-vote FM-Grate

Scarf therefore seems to be Lassie's only townread that sticks while they themselves have no real view on the game, and hinges all of their view on flipped wolves. Has wolfreads (see earlier on Catnip, Parei, Eyescream, and Pilgrim [mentioned in the matchstick post]). Pilgrim was a wagon there, why doesn't Lassie vote there, and instead chooses to follow Scarf onto Grate? This is how a wolf who's lost and behind tries to impact the game while wolfsiding.


Also, Lassie talks about not being completely read up a lot. Again, I don't want to sus being unable to be read up, especially on D1, but it was mentioned a few times. Just something to keep in mind.

and it's so wolfy to me. I don't think I'm confbiased either - but granted this is only D1, so Lassie may have improved from here, but I'd like to make this known so thread can talk with me about this.

-vote FM-Lassie

[FM-Eyescream]

I've been talking about my reads this entire time! Here's my sheet's last "do I townread this person" field, though I made this last night so it might be sleepypilled

FM-Ringmaster - yes
FM-Catnip - yes
FM-Autumn - yes
FM-Player 2 - yes
FM-Old Lickilicky - yes
FM-Tiny Hippo - yes
FM-Lassie - yes
FM-Protagonist Hair - yeah
FM-Lipstick - yeah
FM-Peekaboo - maybe
FM-Mining Peep - maybe
FM-Choo-Choo - maybe
FM-Eyescream - maybe
FM-Chibi Minnie - maybe
FM-Droopy Snout - meh
FM-Breakup - meh
FM-The Great Flood - no
FM-Chromatography - no
FM-Four Past Seven - no
FM-Platypus - no

Mining Peep is very on-point for their level of engagement with the game and that really is the kind if slot that has just been wolf this game… is the well of TMI dry or can we pull up another bucket…

so. I re-read the reactions to my fish (while it was active, not any past me revealing it was a fish). Haven't dove deep into all of them, however, my impression was generally this:
towny: Chroma, P2, Protag
~Null: Peekaboo, Platypus (?)
wolfy: catnip, chibi minnie, Lassie

I didn't like Lassie's insistence on reading up and catching up before posting anything:






It reads like they're stalling because they're not read up, and don't want to play into something that they don't know that much about. As if Lassie knew that they had to tread carefully and wanted to calculate their posts with the knowledge of what was happening because they suspected it was an rf (via knowing we're v/v).

I don't think this is a reaction a villager would have -- the reactions I expected from villagers was more similar to Chroma/P2, who shifted their worldview and dug into what was happening pretty quickly.

Following this train of logic, I read a little bit of Lassie's ISO:

Spoiler : Lassie's D1 :

mildly wolfreads catnip's opening post in their first post of the game. ~NAI entry




Immediately begins to buddy with Scarf


Shades Parei. Slightly good look, maintains it throughout D1. Doesn't ever push there (D1, at least), but that's not really a big point against them.




Continues to buddy pretty hard with with Scarf, and gives an awkward tmi-y comment about Scarf being a wolf in their townread justification that they completely throw away. Hard to fault Lassie specifically for townreading Scarf, but that comment is just way over the top



Posts a townread on matchstick, prompted there probably because there was a general wagon. Tonally reads like they're townreading matchstick and that it's not shaky, especially with the "am I missing reasons people wolfread them? or what" comment attached at the end. Reads like a stable read. Has a few hedgey comments but nothing too severe.



townreads naptime for this post?? Lassie could've justified this townread with so many other posts that seem super reasonable but this post is like, completely NAI and reads like tmi to me. I think this was mostly brushed over because Naptime was pretty obvious villager, but this read reads so much like tmi





Again, sticks to scarf a whole lot, begins to doubt their townread on Matchstick upon the prompting of Goblin. I haven't quoted all of Lassie's posts, but this is the majority of them by now, and this is almost exclusively speaking with flipped wolves.




Interaction prompted by Lassie, speaking to scarf yet again. Justifies loose reads by not being read up (which, don't want to sus activity, but :P ) and speaks about being willing to completely change their reads because of thread having a different opinion - willing to lean town matchstick *if people weren't wolfreading them*? Super self-conscious about their read on Matchstick and doesn't want to appear wrong.



Changes their read on matchstick (townread --> hedge --> wolfread) all through Scarf (and a little from Goblin). To be fair, that iso may have been convincing, I don't remember it and I didn't read it. But Lassie's D1 so far has just been making a few reads on a few slots, sticking to what seems to be two of them (pilgrim and scarf, unknown about the others because they're not posted about). However, the Pilgrim = wolfy read doesn't even stick, as Lassie sheeps near EoD:





Scarf therefore seems to be Lassie's only townread that sticks while they themselves have no real view on the game, and hinges all of their view on flipped wolves. Has wolfreads (see earlier on Catnip, Parei, Eyescream, and Pilgrim [mentioned in the matchstick post]). Pilgrim was a wagon there, why doesn't Lassie vote there, and instead chooses to follow Scarf onto Grate? This is how a wolf who's lost and behind tries to impact the game while wolfsiding.


Also, Lassie talks about not being completely read up a lot. Again, I don't want to sus being unable to be read up, especially on D1, but it was mentioned a few times. Just something to keep in mind.

and it's so wolfy to me. I don't think I'm confbiased either - but granted this is only D1, so Lassie may have improved from here, but I'd like to make this known so thread can talk with me about this.

-vote FM-Lassie

This is pretty interesting.

Though, I'm also sure Lassie was examining Peep again before the fish was over, and I'm curious what you take about their worker there

[FM-Eyescream]

@FM-Lassie

Are you still able to send anonymous messages? Have you sent any recently?

[FM-Autumn]

so. I re-read the reactions to my fish (while it was active, not any past me revealing it was a fish). Haven't dove deep into all of them, however, my impression was generally this:
towny: Chroma, P2, Protag
~Null: Peekaboo, Platypus (?)
wolfy: catnip, chibi minnie, Lassie

I didn't like Lassie's insistence on reading up and catching up before posting anything:






It reads like they're stalling because they're not read up, and don't want to play into something that they don't know that much about. As if Lassie knew that they had to tread carefully and wanted to calculate their posts with the knowledge of what was happening because they suspected it was an rf (via knowing we're v/v).

I don't think this is a reaction a villager would have -- the reactions I expected from villagers was more similar to Chroma/P2, who shifted their worldview and dug into what was happening pretty quickly.

Following this train of logic, I read a little bit of Lassie's ISO:

Spoiler : Lassie's D1 :

mildly wolfreads catnip's opening post in their first post of the game. ~NAI entry




Immediately begins to buddy with Scarf


Shades Parei. Slightly good look, maintains it throughout D1. Doesn't ever push there (D1, at least), but that's not really a big point against them.




Continues to buddy pretty hard with with Scarf, and gives an awkward tmi-y comment about Scarf being a wolf in their townread justification that they completely throw away. Hard to fault Lassie specifically for townreading Scarf, but that comment is just way over the top



Posts a townread on matchstick, prompted there probably because there was a general wagon. Tonally reads like they're townreading matchstick and that it's not shaky, especially with the "am I missing reasons people wolfread them? or what" comment attached at the end. Reads like a stable read. Has a few hedgey comments but nothing too severe.



townreads naptime for this post?? Lassie could've justified this townread with so many other posts that seem super reasonable but this post is like, completely NAI and reads like tmi to me. I think this was mostly brushed over because Naptime was pretty obvious villager, but this read reads so much like tmi





Again, sticks to scarf a whole lot, begins to doubt their townread on Matchstick upon the prompting of Goblin. I haven't quoted all of Lassie's posts, but this is the majority of them by now, and this is almost exclusively speaking with flipped wolves.




Interaction prompted by Lassie, speaking to scarf yet again. Justifies loose reads by not being read up (which, don't want to sus activity, but :P ) and speaks about being willing to completely change their reads because of thread having a different opinion - willing to lean town matchstick *if people weren't wolfreading them*? Super self-conscious about their read on Matchstick and doesn't want to appear wrong.



Changes their read on matchstick (townread --> hedge --> wolfread) all through Scarf (and a little from Goblin). To be fair, that iso may have been convincing, I don't remember it and I didn't read it. But Lassie's D1 so far has just been making a few reads on a few slots, sticking to what seems to be two of them (pilgrim and scarf, unknown about the others because they're not posted about). However, the Pilgrim = wolfy read doesn't even stick, as Lassie sheeps near EoD:





Scarf therefore seems to be Lassie's only townread that sticks while they themselves have no real view on the game, and hinges all of their view on flipped wolves. Has wolfreads (see earlier on Catnip, Parei, Eyescream, and Pilgrim [mentioned in the matchstick post]). Pilgrim was a wagon there, why doesn't Lassie vote there, and instead chooses to follow Scarf onto Grate? This is how a wolf who's lost and behind tries to impact the game while wolfsiding.


Also, Lassie talks about not being completely read up a lot. Again, I don't want to sus being unable to be read up, especially on D1, but it was mentioned a few times. Just something to keep in mind.

and it's so wolfy to me. I don't think I'm confbiased either - but granted this is only D1, so Lassie may have improved from here, but I'd like to make this known so thread can talk with me about this.

-vote FM-Lassie

... no.

[FM-Autumn]

lassie's still one of my strongest townreads lol

and i think the specific way they confbiased themselves into believing that mining peep really is a wolf, even after you outed that as a reaction test, was really towny

[FM-Autumn]

Well I accidentally refreshed the page and lost the huge post I was working on
but TL;DR Hippo and Autumn were main fighters against Scarf's manipulation of the shotslist D3, Hippo in particular made a different list than Scarf's which had wolves on it and removed a ton of villagers Scarf had on their list (seriously Scarf's list is greener than Kermit's wardrobe go look). And Autumn did soft shield some wolves like Candyfloss that day but also was removing villagers from Scarf's list and when I restarted a list (then wolfsided by letting Scarf and Yellow Snow mess with it) Autumn abandoned it and made their own based on their reads which re-included wolves Scarf was trying to get off of it

this is why you never write (longer) posts directly on the site, you write them in word documents (or something else like that) and then just copypaste when ready lol

[FM-Autumn]

Why Choo over Catnip?

because i honestly still think choo is more likely wolf than catnip

i wouldn't really oppose having catnip on shotlists either tbh, but i just keep having the feeling that they're gonna flip town

[FM-Autumn]

fwiw i still think it's pretty unlikely that flood and mining peep would both be wolves (and i literally forgot my reasons to think that... again lol. i've been forgetting my reads way too much this day lol). and i think flood's the wolf in there lol

[FM-Eyescream]

I think overall Lassie's use of their role and the way Scarf took charge of it in thread is a good look for Lassie. I also think they had enough cred to afford shooting someone other than Candy.

[FM-Eyescream]

I still want to hear about their messages though

[FM-Choo-Choo]

This is pretty interesting.

Though, I'm also sure Lassie was examining Peep again before the fish was over, and I'm curious what you take about their worker there

Spoiler : quotes :

I think Catnip -> (Flood if wolf, Peep if town) makes sense
because after thinking about it

for Peep to be town they have to, despite low investment, repeatedly made correct difficult decisions
and happened to have done so in a way where it feels so, so much like jumping on things for cred

like when hearing that Peep was red, it made sense
it felt like looking at things postgame, where all the wolf actions are explained, and tells feel obvious
in fact, it felt even more obvious than most postgames feel

Spoiler : Mining ISO :

Townreads that boil down to "being towny" are pretty common. Not all of them are quoted here, by the way.







Mining immediately gives up the defense of Licky, minutes after they started. And they don’t make a meaningful attempt at convincing people.





This I’ll admit wasn’t as bad now that I see the second post.
That being said, it's still a very convenient time to happen to sheep a shot, and it's also possible that Goblin had been wounded by a level 13 wound (as some conjectured earlier in the game). If wolves had known about this, then of course they would like to hop on, as Goblin had a very high chance of dying to a single ITA.




There wasn’t any progression onto Parei either, afaict.

Later:

(the following posts are about a minute apart)




This isn’t quite as bad as it looks, given their following post:



However




Now, one can read the above post as “Cuz Yellow’s a wolf lol” or “Cuz Dredge is a wolf lol”.
If it’s the first, it makes no sense given their willingness to concede to the rest of thread, and how they very clearly have not been expressing a strong wolfread on Yellow.
If it’s the second, it’s not too bad, though Mining doesn’t mention any suspicion on Dredge the next day, until Dredge pushes him (and even then, Mining doesn’t bring this up as a reason).



Changing wagons at this point is entirely vanity (as Mining notes here). The intention behind this post was appearance.






?????????
There’s time between these posts but no explanation.





These posts aren’t bad, but the mindset they show is exactly the one of a TMIer. Mining believes that these low-explanation reads are towny (or at least not wolfy), as long as they’re correct. So, naturally, he chooses to make them. A lot of them.

Overall it's not as bad as I originally thought when looking through the ISO, though there are some minor points that I left out for space.

The very strange change in tone in their push on Droopy (especially at the start) also pings me (as do a few other tone changes), but I haven't finished deliberating on that. I'd recommend looking, or at least skimming, through the ISO yourself if you have time, to see those and come to a conclusion.

I hadn't seen the ISO post, but I saw the other ones before and thought the second one in particular was pretty townie, so that's why I decided to dig into an iso in the first place

doesn't really move the needle for me though

also fits what I established in the hood as wolves wanting to get maximum carnage out of this

[FM-Choo-Choo]

... no.

i wasn't trying to convince you, that's literally never going to happen

[FM-Choo-Choo]

can you people invite me to the hood with choo and co? i have a good RT idea

if I get enough points through today (which I should if we coordinate it) then yes I can do this at night

[FM-Choo-Choo]

if I get enough points through today (which I should if we coordinate it) then yes I can do this at night

(to clarify it would make a new one, not add you to the current one though)

speaking of @FM-Tiny Hippo and @FM-Lipstick

please make sure you're voting Flood when they flip from itas so I get points

same with @FM-Autumn and @FM-Eyescream for Breakup

[FM-Autumn]

ITA + wagonomics
(some of this is still stolen from the hat)

Spoiler : day 1 wagonomics :

T-12 hours until EoD1 this was the vote count

7 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Eyescream, FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Sonrisa, FM-Mr Clean, FM-The Hat 5 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Ringmaster, FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Oink, FM-Disco Dancer 3 - FM-Candyfloss - FM-Autumn, FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Tinnitus 3 - FM-Eyescream - FM-Naptime, FM-Chromatography, FM-Lipstick 3 - FM-Disco Dancer - FM-Popcorn Axolotl, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Catnip 2 - FM-Oink - FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Turquoise 2 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Scarf, FM-Tiny Hippo 2 - FM-Sonrisa - FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Breakup

T-9 hours until EoD1 this was the count

5 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Eyescream, FM-Sonrisa, FM-The Hat, FM-Red Cross 5 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Scarf, FM-Ringmaster, FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Oink 3 - FM-Eyescream - FM-Naptime, FM-Chromatography, FM-Lipstick 3 - FM-Mining Peep - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Peekaboo, FM-Mr Clean 2 - FM-Oink - FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Turquoise 2 - FM-Protagonist Hair - FM-Angry Rectangle, FM-ZOMG 2 - FM-Angry Rectangle - FM-Autumn, FM-Sad Super Saiyan 2 - FM-Disco Dancer - FM-Popcorn Axolotl, FM-Matchstick Man 2 - FM-Turquoise - FM-Catnip, FM-Disco Dancer 2 - FM-Candyfloss - FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Tinnitus

T-3 hours until EoD1 this was the count

5 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Eyescream, FM-Sonrisa, FM-The Hat, FM-Red Cross 4 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Scarf, FM-Ringmaster, FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day 4 - FM-Candyfloss - FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Tinnitus, FM-Platypus, FM-Tiny Hippo 3 - FM-Angry Rectangle - FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Sad Super Saiyan, FM-Mr Clean 3 - FM-Turquoise - FM-Autumn, FM-Catnip, FM-Disco Dancer 3 - FM-Protagonist Hair - FM-Angry Rectangle, FM-Oink, FM-ZOMG 2 - FM-Oink - FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Turquoise 2 - FM-Eyescream - FM-Naptime, FM-Chromatography 2 - FM-Disco Dancer - FM-Popcorn Axolotl, FM-Matchstick Man 2 - FM-Mining Peep - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Peekaboo

T-1 hour this was the post count

7 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Eyescream, FM-Space Pizza, FM-Sonrisa, FM-The Hat, FM-Red Cross, FM-Grate 6 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Scarf, FM-Ringmaster, FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Lassie 6 - FM-Oink - FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Sad Super Saiyan, FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Turquoise, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Chromatography 3 - FM-Protagonist Hair - FM-Angry Rectangle, FM-Pareidolia, FM-ZOMG 3 - FM-Turquoise - FM-Autumn, FM-Catnip, FM-Disco Dancer 3 - FM-Candyfloss - FM-Tiny Hippo, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Platypus 2 - FM-Disco Dancer - FM-Popcorn Axolotl, FM-Matchstick Man 2 - FM-Mining Peep - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Peekaboo

T-20 minutes this was the votecount

6 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Scarf, FM-Ringmaster, FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Lassie 5 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Sad Super Saiyan, FM-Tinnitus, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Player 2 5 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Sonrisa, FM-The Hat, FM-Red Cross, FM-Grate 4 - FM-Oink - FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Turquoise, FM-Chromatography 4 - FM-Candyfloss - FM-Tiny Hippo, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Lipstick, FM-Platypus 3 - FM-Protagonist Hair - FM-Angry Rectangle, FM-Pareidolia, FM-ZOMG 3 - FM-Turquoise - FM-Autumn, FM-Catnip, FM-Disco Dancer

T-4 minutes from EoD

9 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Pareidolia, FM-Sonrisa, FM-The Hat, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Red Cross, FM-Lipstick, FM-Grate, FM-Pyramid 7 - FM-Turquoise - FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Autumn, FM-Catnip, FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Chromatography, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Platypus 4 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Lassie 4 - FM-Pyramid - FM-Eyescream, FM-Snuggles, FM-Space Pizza, FM-Hon Hon Hon 4 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Scarf, FM-Popcorn Axolotl, FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Matchstick Man 3 - FM-Protagonist Hair - FM-Angry Rectangle, FM-ZOMG, FM-Talking Anthill 3 - FM-Chromatography - FM-Sad Super Saiyan, FM-Peekaboo, FM-Ringmaster

Final Vote Count:

10 - FM-Pilgrim Anatomy - FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Pareidolia, FM-Sonrisa, FM-The Hat, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Red Cross, FM-Lipstick, FM-Grate, FM-Talking Anthill, FM-Pyramid 7 - FM-Grate - FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Angry Rectangle, FM-Scarf, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Tinnitus, FM-Player 2, FM-Lassie 6 - FM-Turquoise - FM-Eyescream, FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Catnip, FM-Chromatography, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Platypus 4 - FM-Chromatography - FM-Sad Super Saiyan, FM-Peekaboo, FM-Not Enough Legs, FM-Ringmaster 3 - FM-Pyramid - FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Space Pizza, FM-Hon Hon Hon 3 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Autumn, FM-Popcorn Axolotl, FM-Choo-Choo 2 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Bad Hair Day 1 - FM-Eyescream - FM-Naptime 1 - FM-Decepticon - FM-Fluffernuts 1 - FM-Angry Rectangle - FM-Mr Clean 1 - FM-Oink - FM-Turquoise 1 - FM-Sonrisa - FM-Breakup 1 - FM-Bad Hair Day - FM-Dredge 1 - FM-Not Enough Legs - FM-Oink 1 - FM-Protagonist Hair - FM-ZOMG Not Voting: FM-Candyfloss, FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Decepticon, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Four Past Seven, FM-Heterochromia, FM-Joycat, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Monet Rocket, FM-Pilgrim Anatomy, FM-Snuggles, FM-Thumbs Up, FM-Tiny Hippo, FM-Wakka Wakka

Spoiler : Day 2 ITA :

ITA Session 1:

March 25th, 2024, 11:01 AM Old Lickilicky -> Peekaboo, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:02 AM Mr Clean -> Angry Rectangle, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:02 AM Tiny Hippo -> Space Pizza, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:03 AM Matchstick Man -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:10 AM Mining Peep -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:11 AM Pareidolia -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted (Note, this was processed after the silent shot at March 25th, 2024, 11:14 AM)
March 25th, 2024, 11:13 AM (This is the time it was processed, impossible to know when it was submitted) Silent shot -> missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:20 AM Eyescream -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:22 AM Breakup -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:26 AM Monet Rocket misspelled an attempt to ITA Heterochromia
March 25th, 2024, 11:26 AM Choo Choo -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:30 AM Monet Rocket once again attempted to ITA Heterochromia
March 25th, 2024, 11:35 AM Platypus -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:35 AM Monet Rocket -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:35 AM Bad Hair Day attempted to ITA Hon Hon Hon
March 25th, 2024, 11:40 AM Bad Hair Day once again attempted to ITA Hon Hon Hon
March 25th, 2024, 11:42 AM SSS -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:45 AM Bad Hair Day -> Angry Rectangle, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 11:53 AM Ringmaster -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:03 PM Droopy Snout -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:06 PM Four Past Seven -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:16 PM Hon Hon Hon -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:19 PM Disco Dancer -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:19 PM Angry Rectangle -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:21 PM The Hat -> Heterochromia, hit: killed, was town.
March 25th, 2024, 12:27 PM Goldfish Bowl -> Angry Rectangle, hit: killed, was town.
March 25th, 2024, 12:32 PM Scarf -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:45 PM Talking Anthill -> Not Enough Legs, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 12:55 PM Oink -> Not Enough Legs, hit, killed, was town.
March 25th, 2024, 12:59 PM Red Cross attempted to shoot Hon Hon Hon
March 25th, 2024, 12:59 PM Space Pizza -> Pyramid, hit, killed, was mafia
March 25th, 2024, 01:00 PM Red Cross attempted to shoot Hon Hon Hon



ITA Session 2:


March 25th, 2024, 05:58 PM Wakka Wakka functionally outted by accidentally trying to shoot Naptime
March 25th, 2024, 06:00 PM Yellow Snow -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:00 PM Candyfloss -> Wakka Wakka, hit: killed, was mafia
March 25th, 2024, 06:00 PM [REFUNDED] The Great Flood -> Wakka Wakka
March 25th, 2024, 06:00 PM Naptime attempted to shoot Wakka Wakka
March 25th, 2024, 06:00 PM Lipstick attempted to shoot Wakka Wakka
March 25th, 2024, 06:00 PM [REFUNDED] Goblin and Worg -> Wakka Wakka
March 25th, 2024, 06:01 PM Wakka Wakka -> Naptime (died before shot went through)
March 25th, 2024, 06:01 PM [REFUNDED] Lipstick -> Wakka Wakka
March 25th, 2024, 06:01 PM Naptime -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:03 PM [REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Wakka Wakka
March 25th, 2024, 06:04 PM Autumn -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:04 PM The Great Flood -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:04 PM Lassie -> Thumbs Up, hit: killed, was mafia
March 25th, 2024, 06:04 PM [REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Thumbs Up
March 25th, 2024, 06:04 PM [REFUNDED] Chibi Minnie -> Thumbs Up
March 25th, 2024, 06:04 PM [REFUNDED] Goblin and Worg -> Thumbs Up
March 25th, 2024, 06:06 PM [REFUNDED] Lipstick -> Thumbs Up
March 25th, 2024, 06:10 PM Red Cross -> Popcorn Axolotyl, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:10 PM Chibi Minnie -> Popcorn Axolotyl, hit: killed, was town
March 25th, 2024, 06:10 PM [REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Popcorn Axolotyl
March 25th, 2024, 06:11 PM Goblin and Worg -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:13 PM Chromatography -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:15 PM Player 2 -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:17 PM Red Cross attempted to shoot Monet Rocket
March 25th, 2024, 06:17 PM Lipstick -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 06:49 PM Peakaboo -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 07:01 PM Dredge attempted to shoot Bad Hair Day
March 25th, 2024, 07:05 PM NOTE: Red cross claimed benign neutral here
March 25th, 2024, 07:13 PM Dredge -> Bad Hair Day, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 07:15 PM Snuggles -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
March 25th, 2024, 07:37 PM Protagonist Hair -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
ZOMG, Catnip, Joycat all holstered their ITAs.

Spoiler : day 2 wagonomics :

T-16 hours to EoD2

6 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Breakup, FM-Chibi Minnie 4 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Naptime, FM-The Hat, FM-Protagonist Hair 3 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Autumn, FM-Scarf 1 - FM-Dredge - FM-Goblin and Worg 1 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Mr Clean 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross 1 - FM-Platypus - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Bad Hair Day - FM-Dredge 1 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Droopy Snout 1 - FM-ZOMG - FM-Old Lickilicky

T-13 hours until EoD2

6 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Breakup, FM-Chibi Minnie 5 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Naptime, FM-The Hat, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Mining Peep 3 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Chromatography, FM-Autumn 2 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Mr Clean, FM-Goldfish Bowl 1 - FM-Dredge - FM-Goblin and Worg 1 - FM-Bad Hair Day - FM-Dredge 1 - FM-Platypus - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross 1 - FM-Oink - FM-Scarf 1 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Droopy Snout 1 - FM-ZOMG - FM-Old Lickilicky

T-5 Hours to EoD2

9 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Mr Clean, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Naptime, FM-The Hat, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Platypus 7 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Breakup, FM-Chibi Minnie 3 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Chromatography, FM-Autumn 2 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Pareidolia, FM-Goldfish Bowl 1 - FM-Bad Hair Day - FM-Dredge 1 - FM-Platypus - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross 1 - FM-Oink - FM-Scarf 1 - FM-Matchstick Man - FM-Droopy Snout 1 - FM-ZOMG - FM-Old Lickilicky

T-3.5 Hours to EoD2

16 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Mr Clean, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Naptime, FM-The Great Flood, FM-The Hat, FM-Pareidolia, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Platypus, FM-ZOMG, FM-Lassie 5 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Breakup 2 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Autumn 1 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Goldfish Bowl 1 - FM-Bad Hair Day - FM-Dredge 1 - FM-Platypus - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross 1 - FM-Oink - FM-Scarf 1 - FM-ZOMG - FM-Old Lickilicky

T-2.5 hours to EoD2

18 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Mr Clean, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Naptime, FM-The Great Flood, FM-The Hat, FM-Pareidolia, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Platypus, FM-ZOMG, FM-Lassie, FM-Scarf, FM-Old Lickilicky 5 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Breakup 2 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Autumn 1 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Goldfish Bowl 1 - FM-Bad Hair Day - FM-Dredge 1 - FM-Platypus - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross

T-15 minutes TO EoD2

19 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Dredge, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Naptime, FM-Tiny Hippo, FM-The Great Flood, FM-The Hat, FM-Pareidolia, FM-Scarf, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Platypus, FM-ZOMG, FM-Lassie, FM-Talking Anthill 8 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Mr Clean, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Breakup, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Catnip 2 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Autumn 2 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Chromatography, FM-Oink 1 - FM-Platypus - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross

Final Vote

19 - FM-Red Cross - FM-Goblin and Worg, FM-Dredge, FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Matchstick Man, FM-Yellow Snow, FM-Naptime, FM-Tiny Hippo, FM-Oink, FM-The Great Flood, FM-The Hat, FM-Pareidolia, FM-Scarf, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Platypus, FM-Lassie, FM-Talking Anthill 8 - FM-Old Lickilicky - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Mr Clean, FM-Hon Hon Hon, FM-Lipstick, FM-Disco Dancer, FM-Breakup, FM-Droopy Snout, FM-Catnip 2 - FM-Goldfish Bowl - FM-Eyescream, FM-Autumn 1 - FM-Hon Hon Hon - FM-Chromatography 1 - FM-Choo-Choo - FM-Sad Super Saiyan 1 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Red Cross Not Voting (11): FM-Candyfloss, FM-Four Past Seven, FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Joycat, FM-Monet Rocket, FM-Peekaboo, FM-Player 2, FM-Ringmaster, FM-Snuggles, FM-Space Pizza, FM-ZOMG

Spoiler : Day 3 ITA :

ITA Session 1:

March 28th, 2024, 11:01 AM Hon Hon Hon -> Chromatography, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:07 AM Monet Rocket attempted to ITA Talking Anthill
March 28th, 2024, 11:08 AM Monet Rocket attempted to ITA Talking Anthill
March 28th, 2024, 11:08 AM Eyescream -> Talking Anthill, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:10 AM Monet Rocket attempted to ITA Talking Anthill
March 28th, 2024, 11:10 AM Monet Rocket -> Talking Anthill, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:12 AM Platypus -> Talking Anthill, hit: flipped town
March 28th, 2024, 11:21 AM Space Pizza -> Chromatography, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:31 AM Chromatography -> FM-Hon Hon Hon
March 28th, 2024, 11:32 AM Snuggles -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:34 AM Player 2 -> Snuggles, hit: flipped town
March 28th, 2024, 11:45 AM Silent shot -> Oink, hit: flipped town
March 28th, 2024, 11:49 AM Protagonist Hair -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:51 AM Bad Hair Day -> ZOMG, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:53 AM Yellow Snow -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 11:54 AM Old Lickitity -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 12:20 PM Mr. Clean -> Candyfloss, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 12:50 PM Scarf -> The Hat, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 12:55 PM Tiny Hippo -> ZOMG



ITA Session 2:


March 28th, 2024, 06:00 PM The Hat -> Monet Rocket, missed, wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:00 PM The Great Flood -> Pareidolia, hit: flipped wolf
March 28th, 2024, 06:00 PM Chibi Minnie -> ZOMG, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:01 PM Choo Choo -> ZOMG, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:03 PM FM-Goblin and Worg -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:04 PM [REFUNDED] Four Past Seven attempted to ITA Pareidolia
March 28th, 2024, 06:04 PM Catnip -> ZOMG, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:08 PM Four Past Seven -> ZOMG, hit: flipped wolf
March 28th, 2024, 06:09 PM [REFUNDED]Candyfloss -> ZOMG
March 28th, 2024, 06:29 PM Breakup -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:37 PM Breakup (+1 ITA?) -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 06:53 PM Lipstick attempted to ITA Goblin and Worg
March 28th, 2024, 06:54 PM Lipstick -> Goblin and Worg, hit: flipped wolf
March 28th, 2024, 06:54 PM [REFUNDED] Mining Peep -> Goblin and Worg
March 28th, 2024, 07:25 PM Mining Peep -> Choo Choo, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:29 PM Peekaboo -> Choo Choo, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:32 PM Ringmaster -> Choo Choo, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:35 PM Lassie -> Choo Choo, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:52 PM Autumn -> Choo Choo, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:55 PM Dredge -> Choo Choo, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:57 PM Goldfish Bowl -> Dredge, missed: wound inflicted
March 28th, 2024, 07:59 PM Droopy Snout attempted to ITA Dredge
March 28th, 2024, 07:59 PM Droopy Snout -> Dredge, missed: wound inflicted

Joycat and Candyfloss holstered today
(candyfloss tried to shoot once, but had shot refunded and didn't shoot again)

Spoiler : day 3 final votecount :

final votecount

15 - FM-Monet Rocket - FM-The Hat, FM-Chibi Minnie (2), FM-Eyescream, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Space Pizza, FM-Breakup, FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Tiny Hippo, FM-Peekaboo, FM-Dredge, FM-Candyfloss, FM-Platypus, FM-Ringmaster, FM-Droopy Snout 6 - FM-Yellow Snow - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Goldfish Bowl, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Player 2, FM-Autumn 2 - FM-Dredge - FM-Chromatography, FM-Lipstick 1 FM-The Hat - FM-Mr Clean Not Voting (7) FM-Bad Hair Day, FM-Catnip, FM-Four Past Seven, FM-Joycat, FM-Lassie, FM-Monet Rocket, FM-Yellow Snow

Spoiler : Day 4 ITA :

ITA Session 1:
Choo Choo -> Dredge, miss
Droopy Snout -> Dredge, miss

ITA Session 2:
Ringmaster -> Space Pizza, miss
Breakup -> Space Pizza, miss
Autumn -> Space Pizza, miss
Tiny Hippo -> Space Pizza, miss
Four Past Seven -> Space Pizza, miss
Peekaboo -> Space Pizza, miss
[Failed formatting] Chromatography -> Space Pizza
Protagonist Hair -> Space Pizza, hit
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Space Pizza
Dredge -> Catnip, miss
(dredge claimed wolf in here)
Catnip -> Dredge, miss
Eyescream -> Dredge, miss
Player 2 -> Dredge, miss
Old Lickilicky -> Dredge, hit
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Dredge
Chibi Minnie -> Eyescream, miss
Lipstick -> Eyescream, miss
Chromatography -> Candyfloss, miss
Lassie -> Candyfloss, hit
[DEAD] Candyfloss -> Catnip

Did not shoot: Mining Peep, The Great Flood, Platypus

Spoiler : day 4 final votecount :

6 - FM-Droopy Snout - FM-Chromatography, FM-Protagonist Hair, FM-Old Lickilicky, FM-Breakup, FM-Player 2, FM-Platypus 4 - FM-The Great Flood - FM-Autumn, FM-Mining Peep, FM-Lipstick, FM-Droopy Snout 2 - FM-Four Past Seven - FM-Choo-Choo, FM-Ringmaster 1 - FM-Catnip - FM-Eyescream 1 - FM-Chromatography - FM-Catnip Not Voting (6): FM-Chibi Minnie, FM-Four Past Seven, FM-Lassie, FM-Peekaboo, FM-The Great Flood, FM-Tiny Hippo

[FM-Lipstick]

This is not rhetorical, I just don’t remember. But why did we clear Lickity again?

[FM-Autumn]

This is not rhetorical, I just don’t remember. But why did we clear Lickity again?

i honestly don't remember either lol. i've kept being somewhat worried about them at times, but every time i start thinking about if that was misclear, they always make some good posts and i decide that they can stay in towncore lol

[FM-Autumn]

think the specific way zomg acted around having been marked, and wanting to vote lickilicky because of that (and then backing off after realizing it was vengeful action lol), is a good look for them tbh

[FM-Lipstick]

think the specific way zomg acted around having been marked, and wanting to vote lickilicky because of that (and then backing off after realizing it was vengeful action lol), is a good look for them tbh

Oh yeah

I’ll try to revisit some things around and after ITAs, depending on flips and such

Pretty busy today though

[FM-Autumn]

i probably still don't have everything here lol


Important things

ITA+wagonomics information

Tiny Hippo is mechanically confirmed town because of being targeted by Morshu's shop

Lickilicky is ITA/action immune

The Great Flood claims to have results from their watcher on yellow snow on n3 (notable because everyone else's actions failed on yellow snow. that was because yellow snow dying was first in ooo and happened before the other actions were being processed)


Other mech

Spoiler : mech :

claims

Name	Actions they took	Actions they were targeted with
FM-Autumn	knew that angry rectangle targeted scarf on d2 with the water stuff (and scarf's claim about having been targeted with wolf clone role was not true)	N1 had ITAs boosted for d2 by eyescream D2 was added to anon debate hood for N2 (by snuggles) with hippo/dredge N2 was added to hood with candyfloss and mr clean (the same hood where SSS also was in), and to another hood with choo choo and eyescream d3 was added to mining peep's movie neighborhood
FM-Breakup	they get points if they guess correctly who gets killed next phase. can use points for other abilities 17410 (claimed to get bonuses if lickilicky was killed d2 10188) gave themselves a second ITA for d3 visited lipstick n3 (protection) only action they haven't used is the "mark for death" action in addition, has 1-shot slank dayvig, which they used on Decepticon on d2	claims targeted with positive day action on d2 12035 peekaboo claims having given armor to them 17427
FM-Catnip	18978 full claim, can target a player with protection and level 1 roleblock, it catnip's protection saved them (someone tried to kill the target and no one else was protecting the target), catnip gets a point. has a daykill they can use at 1, 3, 5, etc. points (has not been able to use it at all yet) targeted naptime n1, hippo n2, lipstick n3, and lipstick n4 17179 got prize from the walrus event and used it to investigate choo choo's status	was promoted by monet rocket (+10 willpower) on n2 n3 roleblocked by dredge (block failed because they still had enough willpower) eyescream checked their status on d4 (publicly), they had no status (correct result according to the claimed actions)
FM-Chibi Minnie	chibi minnie's claim 11162 n1 holstered ability, agreement with (whoever it was they neighborized) n2 says they wanted to kill zomg, anthill didnt submit so action failed n3 killed Yellow Snow with Tiny Hippo n4 roleblocked chromatography with ringmaster	-
FM-Choo-Choo	gets points if they guess correctly who people are going to vote during the next day, can use points to either create neighborhoods or investigate how many people in a wagon have specific type of role 17169 n2 created a hood with eyescream and autumn n4 investigated the great flood wagon (people on the wagon: lipstick, autumn, mining peep, droopy snout), saw that one in those four has killing abilities (that one being droopy)	Scarf claimed something about their stats 15286 (note: scarf's claim was at a time they knew they were going to die) Catnip used the walrus prize to investigate their status and saw level 11 wounded (correct amount of wounds, had not been mysteriously healed)
FM-Chromatography	Claims to be self-resolving, 6395, on N5 6487 (n6 now after having been roleblocked) gave some kind of a gift to hippo on n2 12901 (hippo confirms) gives tree-related gifts	-
FM-Eyescream	is some kind of a joat 4p7 rolecop results: 15796 n4 copied four past seven's role 19369	Had a neighborhood with Fluff 6598, eyescream says disco wasnt in the chat with fluff 11214 was added to hood with choo choo and autumn on n2 four past seven rolecopped them n3 15796 scarf claimed to use partial rolecop on them n2 15286 (note: scarf's claim was at a time they knew they were going to die (i think scarf claimed having targeted eyescream earlier, though. but without results))
FM-Four Past Seven	can use either investigative or ITA abilities n1 gave naptime/ringmaster/yellow snow an undisclosed temporary benefit (ita boost) 8217, and rolecopped ringmaster n2 tried rolecopping player 2 (action failed), and watched ringmaster (saw zomg/mr clean/oink/lassie visit them) 11475 n3 rolecopped eyescream 15796 n4 rolecopped catnip 19362 (confirms catnip's claim), and had no results from watcher ability explains things about the risk generation with that role 12239	someone (eyescream claims it) copied their role on n4 19362
FM-Lassie	claimed they were the one doing the Matchstick bait 12130 lassie sent letter to ringmaster 11609 (and has been able to send letters to other people as well) two-shot jailor in addition of the messenger ability, targeted scarf n1 and hippo n2 16138	-
FM-Lipstick	(not claim but notable enough i'm including it here: they hero shot goblin and worg in ITAs on d3)	-
FM-Mining Peep	Is the movie role, created neighborhood with Lickilicky/Turquoise/Tiny Hippo on eod1, added Naptime after turq died, and autumn after naptime died N1 had hood watcher, the hood chose to watch protagonist hair, saw player 2 and monet rocket visiting them N2 they had protective N3 the hood roleblocked Yellow Snow (action failed, didn't even visit yellow snow) N4 causes the thread to stay open entire night claims they became a vt after the movie thing ended (iirc they said they would've become rolecop if their actions had succeeded on previous nights)	-
FM-Old Lickilicky	claims to be dead, ITA/action immune, 5808, should be targetable with "talking to dead" actions 6548 has a vengeful action (which also prevents targets from using some actions), submitted on ZOMG n1, Eyescream n2 9890 and breakup n3	someone attempted manipulative action on them but failed 5593 n2: licky claims someone attempted protective or communicative action on them but failed 11536
FM-Peekaboo	they had an unstoppable kill they can use d3, killed Scarf has given armor to breakup 17427 peekaboo claims they tried protecting lipstick n3, but it's not counted as a visit 17344 has never visited hippo says hippo added them to neighborhood	on d2, peekaboo got an item called the cloak. it allowed them to send anonymous message during n3, they didn't use the ability. had to pass the item forward during d3 15028 hippo claims knowing peekaboo visited them on n3, peekaboo claims they did not
FM-Platypus	12988 claimed poisoner n1 fake poisoned Snuggles n2 real poisoned Goldfish Bowl n3 fake poisoned chibi minnie n4 no action (claims to have been late submitting action)	-
FM-Player 2	visited Protagonist Hair n1 and saw them use investigation, communication, 2x manipulative 6145 (protag confirms this is correct) had a commute for n2 12152 claims to not have used any action on n3 iirc	n1 snuggles found out they're a pirate multiple people tried and failed to investigate them n2
FM-Protagonist Hair	Neighborhood with BHD, just linking the post where they explain mechanics 6972, rolecop+rolethief immune 8986 they fullclaimed later (with actions) 17093	-
FM-The Great Flood	watcher ability, can set cameras on people (two at most) and will receive passive watcher feedback from all of those 18824 n1 chose themselves and [didnt give the name], has no info about that n2 chose oink, had scrambled feedback but thinks zomg visited oink n3 chose yellow snow, claims no one visited them (note: yellow snow was killed before any other night actions were processed, and everyone else's actions on them that night failed. flood claims to have the only role where ability didn't fail?) n4 chose chibi minnie, only ringmaster visited them	scarf claims flood used an investigative action n1 15286 (note: scarf's claim was at a time they knew they were going to die)
FM-Tiny Hippo	killed Yellow Snow with Chibi Minnie (chibi's role)	n1 claims they were targeted with something positive, and that they got targeted by a shop 6987, clarifies it was the Morhsu's shop (Pyramid's role) 8898. This is mechanically clearing for Hippo claimed they got jailed by Goblin on N2 claims they saw candyfloss/chibi/peekaboo/droopy visiting them on N3 (candyfloss+chibi are confirmed, peekaboo and droopy are denying visiting hippo). candy visited them to add them to neighborhood.

Dead players

Spoiler : dead :

Name	Actions they took	Actions they were targeted with
FM-Angry Rectangle	-	received something N1 5598, clarified in 7682 iirc they said something about being redirected but i'm not gonna try to find those posts now
FM-Popcorn Axolotl	assuming they stole the item from The Hat, 9224	-
FM-Red Cross	Red Cross claims benign 3p and that their wincon is to survive until D4 10027 checked if dredge had an item and got "no" 6715 Red Cross claiming their abilities 10009, and their actions 10059 (didn't block dredge)	received an item called the crown sod1 6474, claims to have been targeted with an investigative action 6452
FM-Sad Super Saiyan	SSS is in hood with candyfloss and is shielding them based on hood things 6988	-
FM-Naptime	dead town telling them who to kill 10217, 10229	got gift which they believe came from town (protection) 10213
FM-Matchstick Man	Killed Disco Dancer	received 1-shot vig for N3 8734
FM-Hon Hon Hon	claims to know Mining Peep's role 8699, claims jailor 10197	-
FM-Snuggles	Claims modpost ability they didn't use, claims Player 2 is a pirate, 6039	was poisoned at sod2
FM-Oink	Can cause actions to repeat infinitely(?), responsible for the infinite moons, claims to count as dead for "talking with dead" type of roles, 5635, 6392	-
FM-ZOMG	-	claims to have been "marked by ghost lady" 10303, says they cannot use "certain actions that they don't even have" 10720
FM-Goldfish Bowl	neighborhood creator 11156	-
FM-Scarf	used the partial rolecop on eyescream 11432	targeted with something they believe came from town 6551 targeted by someone who cloned Angry Rectangles role, guessed correctly (water) and now has investigative for the night 10313. i (autumn) claim to know that it was not actually a clone, it was angry rectangle's own action
FM-Mr Clean	mr cleans claim 11996 is in a hood with autumn and candyfloss	-
FM-Joycat	Conditional greencheck on Matchstick Man, 5551, conditional greencheck on droopy snout	-
FM-Bad Hair Day	Neighborhood with Protag, claims strong role, 5823, stunned Lickilicky and action failed 10557	-
FM-The Hat	N2 hat tried tracking luigi, got no feedback 11362	Got an item N0, it was stolen, 1234, 6565, 6722, steal was very likely by popcorn axolotl 9224
FM-Yellow Snow	tried to shoot player 2 last night 13372	-
FM-Dredge	claims visited by Heterochromia and Red Cross 6302, revealed full role 9404 11533 dredge's actions	note: look at the dead section for what red cross claimed to do to them
FM-Candyfloss	In a hood with Autumn+Hippo and Mr Clean (and SSS)	-
FM-Droopy Snout	their full claim here 17100 Slank vigi, killed Turquoise, was a night action that got delayed, 6605, 6634 gave something to hippo n2 15003	hippo claims droopy snout visited them n3, droopy claims they did not
FM-Ringmaster	Moon worshipper, they've talked about role so much and i'm not looking for all that mech lol tried blessing naptime n2 11153, has part of kirbys rolecard 11261	four past seven saw zomg visiting ringmaster n2

Goblin claims they did something which prevented them from being blessed with the moon thing 5530

Spoiler : random (outdated) stuff which i anyway dont want to remove bc there are links to stuff etc :

Snuggles tried to put Lickilicky/Hon Hon Hon/Yellow Snow into hood and failed, Lickilicky confirms 6539
did put autumn/dredge/hippo into hood for n2

that thing where scarf explains the hood and mech on matchstick man (notable that matchstick is not outed wolf despite what this post says, it was confirmed that matchstick was baiting and not wolf by the wolf flips we've had so far) 8550

mr clean got a gift 11359, 11373, 11380 (just linking this and saying look at the next few posts if you want to know more)
kirby thinks they know something about the gift (said later it really is the same thing, and then that they thought there's not that in the box) 11370

(Hippo/Lickilicky/Turquoise/Mining peep(?) (maybe others also idk) have neighborhood, watched Player 2 and Monet Rocket visiting Protagonist Hair
n2 they had a protection instead 11288 (and naptime was added to the chat)

Protagonist gave something to Catnip and ZOMG 5555
ZOMG claims to not have received anything from Protag 10303
Catnip confirms receiving it 5646

(tldr: protag tried sending something to both catnip and ZOMG -> catnip received it, ZOMG didn't. though, according to ZOMG 's claim, the "ghost lady" (i'm assuming lickilicky's vengeful action) was able to target them))

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1009158 snuggles says they caused the mining peep doublevote

scarf says something about disco and chats 11202

13423
dredge protection on naptime failed

[FM-Chibi Minnie]

N1 was with Dredge

[FM-Chromatography]

I think I don't want to kill catnip today. Like I don't think they should be shot at

which is sad because they have said they're going to pew pew me frame 1 for 0 reason

Catnip is an ate god or something. They haven't even done any of the things they said they were going to do with their increased wim and you trust them?

[FM-Catnip]

@FM-Mining Peep Oh to be clear I was gonna shoot you frame 1 because in the case you are a wolf (I think this is likely, and I wanted to kill you yesterday but you were being shielded) it proves that I was not TMIing you town during that reaction test. I thought I know I am town, I want to live and prove myself town to others, making a shot that I think will help that AND that I think will likely turn up a wolf is an assistance there. If people aren’t going to shoot me with bullets frame 1 then I don’t have to shoot YOU with bullets frame 1

[FM-Catnip]

“I thought I know I am town” rereading this phrasing it’s non-ideal. I just woke up alright cut me some slack. I do know I am town. Green rolecard. Not a bastard game. No wolfchat. Etc

[FM-Lassie]

so. I re-read the reactions to my fish (while it was active, not any past me revealing it was a fish). Haven't dove deep into all of them, however, my impression was generally this:
towny: Chroma, P2, Protag
~Null: Peekaboo, Platypus (?)
wolfy: catnip, chibi minnie, Lassie

I didn't like Lassie's insistence on reading up and catching up before posting anything:






It reads like they're stalling because they're not read up, and don't want to play into something that they don't know that much about. As if Lassie knew that they had to tread carefully and wanted to calculate their posts with the knowledge of what was happening because they suspected it was an rf (via knowing we're v/v).

I don't think this is a reaction a villager would have -- the reactions I expected from villagers was more similar to Chroma/P2, who shifted their worldview and dug into what was happening pretty quickly.

Following this train of logic, I read a little bit of Lassie's ISO:

Spoiler : Lassie's D1 :

mildly wolfreads catnip's opening post in their first post of the game. ~NAI entry




Immediately begins to buddy with Scarf


Shades Parei. Slightly good look, maintains it throughout D1. Doesn't ever push there (D1, at least), but that's not really a big point against them.




Continues to buddy pretty hard with with Scarf, and gives an awkward tmi-y comment about Scarf being a wolf in their townread justification that they completely throw away. Hard to fault Lassie specifically for townreading Scarf, but that comment is just way over the top



Posts a townread on matchstick, prompted there probably because there was a general wagon. Tonally reads like they're townreading matchstick and that it's not shaky, especially with the "am I missing reasons people wolfread them? or what" comment attached at the end. Reads like a stable read. Has a few hedgey comments but nothing too severe.



townreads naptime for this post?? Lassie could've justified this townread with so many other posts that seem super reasonable but this post is like, completely NAI and reads like tmi to me. I think this was mostly brushed over because Naptime was pretty obvious villager, but this read reads so much like tmi





Again, sticks to scarf a whole lot, begins to doubt their townread on Matchstick upon the prompting of Goblin. I haven't quoted all of Lassie's posts, but this is the majority of them by now, and this is almost exclusively speaking with flipped wolves.




Interaction prompted by Lassie, speaking to scarf yet again. Justifies loose reads by not being read up (which, don't want to sus activity, but :P ) and speaks about being willing to completely change their reads because of thread having a different opinion - willing to lean town matchstick *if people weren't wolfreading them*? Super self-conscious about their read on Matchstick and doesn't want to appear wrong.



Changes their read on matchstick (townread --> hedge --> wolfread) all through Scarf (and a little from Goblin). To be fair, that iso may have been convincing, I don't remember it and I didn't read it. But Lassie's D1 so far has just been making a few reads on a few slots, sticking to what seems to be two of them (pilgrim and scarf, unknown about the others because they're not posted about). However, the Pilgrim = wolfy read doesn't even stick, as Lassie sheeps near EoD:





Scarf therefore seems to be Lassie's only townread that sticks while they themselves have no real view on the game, and hinges all of their view on flipped wolves. Has wolfreads (see earlier on Catnip, Parei, Eyescream, and Pilgrim [mentioned in the matchstick post]). Pilgrim was a wagon there, why doesn't Lassie vote there, and instead chooses to follow Scarf onto Grate? This is how a wolf who's lost and behind tries to impact the game while wolfsiding.


Also, Lassie talks about not being completely read up a lot. Again, I don't want to sus being unable to be read up, especially on D1, but it was mentioned a few times. Just something to keep in mind.

and it's so wolfy to me. I don't think I'm confbiased either - but granted this is only D1, so Lassie may have improved from here, but I'd like to make this known so thread can talk with me about this.

-vote FM-Lassie

Why wouldn't I read up? There's no rush, and I was also eager to read about the possible red check on someone else.

As for the spoilered stuff - I townread Scarf heavily, and as they were evidently much more involved in the game than me, I trusted them more than my own reads. Also, yes, I think thread consensus is generally more accurate than someone who is struggling to read the game and very busy, which is why people wolfreading Match made me doubt my own read there. (Plus Scarf's ISO on Match was indeed pretty convincing)

"average d1 lassie post interacts with a flip wolf" factoid actualy just statistical error. average d1 lassie post interacts with 0 flipped wolves. Scarf Georg, who I misread, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

Continues to buddy pretty hard with with Scarf, and gives an awkward tmi-y comment about Scarf being a wolf in their townread justification that they completely throw away. Hard to fault Lassie specifically for townreading Scarf, but that comment is just way over the top

It is not TMI-y, nor is it awkward. Though now that you bring it up I should check who was TRing eachother there.

townreads naptime for this post?? Lassie could've justified this townread with so many other posts that seem super reasonable but this post is like, completely NAI and reads like tmi to me. I think this was mostly brushed over because Naptime was pretty obvious villager, but this read reads so much like tmi

Naptime post I found towny because yeah, it makes sense for town to doubt their reads d1, and want to make sure they're not terrible. And I think their specific way of wanting to sanity check themselves is not super obvious to fake.
Not a strong read, sure, but still >rand town