I really don't think it's strange for a town player who's being suffocated by multiple players (including myself) not posting much or being very active to want to try to find town players. town players should always be trying to find town in addition to wolves. points have been made against jefferson which you are free to refute, but idk how you aren't seeing those points when theyve been pointed out multiple times?
in case i'm not around tomorrow morning im placing my vote here
-vote FM-Franklin D Roosevelt
I don't think the vote worked but all I did was copy paste it so pls help if you know how to fix thanks
Starting another train will just muddy the waters, that is a task for tomorrow. For now we have a few choices:Originally Posted by FM-James Monroe
1. Lynch Mr. FDR in what I think is the most viable of the trains due to lack of activity, content, and overall effort. It does not make me believe that he is an American in the slightest.
I continue to latch onto it because I wholeheartedly believe it to be true, which is why I despised the attempts to form a train on me earlier in the day. Now that that has cooled, there are other things and topics to deal with.Originally Posted by FM-James Monroe
Attempting to find British Spies is an obligation to all Americans, so I do not really get where you're coming from in this respect.Originally Posted by FM-James Monroe
As for performative, no? I'm attempting to discuss and figure things out in as flush of a way possible. Maybe it's my phrasing that does it for you?
Okay next person to respond to:
I don't think scum has the play to really shove me yet.... Earlier in the day it appeared clear as day but now not so much. Anyways off of that point, when I have an idea I usually post it if I think it is relevant, doesn't matter what the idea is. Usually the post will let me gauge reactions and what people are thinking. In this case it was a belief of mine that turned into a swathe of information.Originally Posted by FM-Lyndon B Johnson
Lastly from what I could see both you and Mr. Monroe's scumreads didn't really have dirt on me, which didn't help anything.
I left this part of my last post unfinishedOriginally Posted by FM-Thomas Jefferson
2. Lynch Mr. Nixon in what I think at this point would be a mistake due to recent posts.
I am.
I dislike both trains but have to admit that fdr has done very little to take himself out of his current predicament, despite my best efforts. I was strongly considering voting you up before you showed up, since you are here AND engaging with me I don't see a need to anymore.
My real problem right now is figuring out which of the two trains have the scum in them.
Because if either of these two flip scum (which imo FDR is the most likely to) then that will make Mr. Washington and Kennedy look not so great.
On the flip side if Mr. FDR flips town, all hell will likely break loose.
These are the current votes :
FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (3 [L-996]):
FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-John F Kennedy
FM-Richard Nixon (3 [L-996]):
FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt
FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
FM-James Monroe
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fdr's vote is tolerable because it is self pres, self pres is fine as either alignment, though one could argue against it if you are a powerless role.
Thus to find where the scum lies in the current trains it is a matter of who is scum/opportunistic between FM-George Washington (Mayor) & FM-John F Kennedy on one side, or FM-Dwight D Eisenhower & FM-Abraham Lincoln on the other.
Most of those are consensually town read. Lincoln does feel like he's tunneling a bit, especially since he refuses to elaborate his thought on Nixon, but overall I don't see much in these trains...
Is it impossible that both are town lead ?
I don't think I need to say this, but just in case:
Where possible, please avoid discussing the activity thing (which shows non-incognito accounts viewing this thread) at the bottom of the page or any other non-game-related indicator of being online or not.
Discussing activity shown through anything else in the game (such as posts) is fine.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
It isn't impossible that both are town-lead trains, that is a good point.
My retort to that would be if neither train is scum lead, who are the other scum? You'd have to look between a core of people that look in the eyes of the other gentlemen as being extraordinarily townie. Unless of course you believe the scum is James, or another person not on either train.
Most peoples town cores (I think) are FM-John F Kennedy, FM-George Washington, and FM-Dwight D Eisenhower.
There is debate on if Mr. Lincoln is town, and there is also a rather heavy debate whether or not I am town in the eyes of the gentlemen.
-vote FM-Franklin D Roosevelt
Anyways folks, I'll likely be on for EOD
My vote will stay if not, as I believe it is the one viable train:
[vote]FM-Franklin D Roosevelt[/QUOTE]
I need sleep now
why do you dislike them? what is the preference? why are they particularly townie?
Like I don't feel confident that FDR, who has bad tone and keeps saying derpy shit, is going to flip mafia with five votes on them on day 3 of an anon game that town have been cruising to an easy loss... I think it's mathematically extremely likely that mafia (at least 1 but probably more) are voting there right now so either they are bussing or he's town. Given he's making a habit out of making posts that make me make that confused scrunchy face I am sure some town are there too but he's an easy mischop if he's town and given the gamestate I don't think it's the correct chop.
But Nixon... Nixon is a fine wagon?
Your measure for what equates to good or bad reasoning for a vote is kinda all over the place. You dislike these wagons, but your prepared alternative is someone you feel so tepidly towards that the simple act of them posting and engaging renders it unnecessary?
If you haven't got suspicions to push on day 3 of a game town is losing what the fuck are you doing here?
Let's analyse this post.
Me, a town, saw that post Johnson made and thought "#wack", Jefferson saw it as a "fair opinion" like wtf?
And Jefferson's plan is to vote FDR because they have been pushed by more people than anyone else (in a game which mafia are winning this is reason to townread someone tbh), and have done little to get themselves out of it... which is a subjective argument that cannot be actually made on top of the fact that if it were able to be made it would make them townie, because wolves number 1 need on their hierarchy is GETTING THEMSELVES OUT OF IT.
This is a nonsense post. Jefferson is a wolf.
Given my hypothesis that FDR is town and Nixon is mafia.
1 - Of course no mafia are voting Nixon
2 - FDR is scummy town with 2 votes on them at this point. They can easily be town. Especially given that between then and now he suddenly has 5 votes and Nixon's wagon is the same size. His wagon grew with likely mafia while Nixon's did not. If FDR was mafia and Nixon was town, Nixon would have gotten votes.
FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (5 [L-994]):
FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-John F Kennedy, FM-Richard Nixon, FM-Thomas Jefferson
FM-Richard Nixon (3 [L-996]):
FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt
FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
FM-James Monroe
The bolded are players I am reading as mafia. They are both voting for FDR and their votes are currently protecting Nixon. The other counterwagon is also a mafia read.
Johnson is very sus for not having voted yet.
I am very curious what Madison does here.
I am adamant that the only way that FDR can be mafia here is if he's being bussed and it'd be almost certainly by Nixon and/or Jefferson anyway because there is no impetus to bus FDR unless there is another wolf at risk of death. Jefferson as mafia partner to FDR here would be voting Nixon. GW and JFK are not suspicious to me.
FDR is almost only ever mafia if Nixon is too, but FDR can be, and usually is, in world's where Nixon is mafia.
Wagonomics suggests heavily that Nixon and Jefferson are both better wagons.
T'would seem like nobody gonna chat with me. Take heed my warnings anyway. Good luck.