S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II

[FM-Richard Nixon]

Nobody bloody listens to me.

maybe it's because you're alone and wrong and not alone and right but either way you are being far too stubborn

[FM-Richard Nixon]

Oh yeah, I forgot a second mayor would be elected. I suppose that does disincentivize killing the mayor and instead trying to get other TPR.

*forgets biggest mechanic of the game* "oh right haha" lmao youre killing me fdr

[FM-Richard Nixon]

It being 2 nights doesn't make much of a difference. George was consensus town and the mayor. The Brits would be right in thinking that a doctor would likely be on him, even on the second night.

Besides - killing the president early on isn't *objectively* the best play. You kill the president early on, America just votes a new one in. American heroes like Truman and Theodore? We don't get em back.

I am crying for our fallen heroes

no but actually I like this post

[FM-Richard Nixon]

I agree nixon mad woofish

woof woof *wags tail*

[FM-Richard Nixon]

If scum is only ones we trying then we deserve to lose.

well if you're town and you're trying then that sorta nullifies this statement, no? cuz then town is already trying

[FM-Richard Nixon]

Eisenhower can be town 4 this.

I feel like eisenhower was town for all their posts tbh

[FM-Richard Nixon]

The only thing I'm going to say rn is that I don't think Roosevelt dies unless the other Roosevelt is town or unless he really was dangerous
With people trying to vote Roosevelt if you leave b oth of them alive ot adds to more confusion instead of govo k g people a straight shot

yeah idk about that

[FM-Richard Nixon]

Honestly I personally liked your interaction with Nixon on both sides of the argument, whereas I really disliked Nixon/Jefferson on Jefferson's side. I do wonder also what you saw that I didn't.

he saw the tunnel

[FM-Richard Nixon]

I am down to vote Nixon. His demeanor is off in my opinion. A tad too confident.

I imagine you wish you could be as naked and unafraid as I am. americans like me are born exuding unwavering confidence

too bad ur probs wolf tho. womp womp

[FM-Richard Nixon]

If the mostly AFK people are town you're making life for the rest of us a pain in the ass

sorry

[FM-Richard Nixon]

𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝓉 𝓌𝒶𝓈 𝒾𝓃 𝓇𝑒𝒻𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝓎𝑜𝓊. 𝒴𝑜𝓊 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝟣𝟦 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝓉𝓈 𝑜𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑒𝑒 𝒹𝒶𝓎𝓈, 𝟣𝟤 𝑜𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝟤 𝒹𝒶𝓎𝓈 𝓎𝑜𝓊'𝓋𝑒 𝒷𝑒𝑒𝓃 𝒾𝓃 𝓎𝑜𝓊𝓇 𝓈𝓁𝑜𝓉. 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒾𝓈 𝒶𝓃 𝒶𝒷𝓎𝓈𝓂𝒶𝓁𝓁𝓎 𝓁𝑜𝓌 𝓃𝓊𝓂𝒷𝑒𝓇. 𝒴𝑜𝓊 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓁𝑜𝓌𝑒𝓈𝓉 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝓉 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓃𝓉 𝒷𝓎 𝒶 𝒻𝒶𝒸𝓉𝑜𝓇 𝑜𝒻 𝟤.𝟧𝓍. 𝒜𝓃𝒹 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝓉𝒶𝓁𝓀 𝒶𝒷𝑜𝓊𝓉 𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓎𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝒻𝑒𝑒𝓁𝓈 𝒶𝒻𝓀???

Spoiler : Print :

That post was in reference to you. You have 14 posts over the course of three days, 12 over the course of the 2 days you've been in your slot. That is an abysmally low number. You have the lowest post count by a factor of 2.5x. And you talk about how everyone feels afk???

glad I thought the same thing

[FM-Richard Nixon]

𝒜𝓇𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝓅𝓇𝑜𝓅𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝓌𝑒 𝓂𝒶𝓎 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝑜𝓃𝑒? 𝒲𝒾𝓁𝓈𝑜𝓃?

Spoiler : Print :

Are you proposing that we may have one? Wilson?

unfortunate that is a possibility, cuz i was gonna note the point that wilson was my biggest supporter and if I was maf i'm not touching him day 2

but maybe he just pulled a fast one on us (reallllllyyy hoping not tho)

[FM-Richard Nixon]

Why do you suspect nixon? Seems like a lot of people do but I'm not getting a very coherent explanation.

I don't think anybody likes my lackadaisical posting tbh

[FM-Richard Nixon]

I have trouble seeing the rationale or your vote on Jefferson, and then right here you even give him an out. It is almost like you are not being sincere with your vote and maybe you are using it as a distraction? Planting the seeds here to take your vote off of him?

If you really believed he was scum, why would you give him an out?

I really don't think it's strange for a town player who's being suffocated by multiple players (including myself) not posting much or being very active to want to try to find town players. town players should always be trying to find town in addition to wolves. points have been made against jefferson which you are free to refute, but idk how you aren't seeing those points when theyve been pointed out multiple times?

[FM-Richard Nixon]

in case i'm not around tomorrow morning im placing my vote here

-vote FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

[FM-Richard Nixon]

I don't think the vote worked but all I did was copy paste it so pls help if you know how to fix thanks

[FM-Lyndon B Johnson]

I don't think anybody likes my lackadaisical posting tbh

It's growing on me

[FM-Lyndon B Johnson]

I don't think the vote worked but all I did was copy paste it so pls help if you know how to fix thanks

You need to wrap the name in

[VOTE][/VOTE]

tags, either manually of via the vote button

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

Jefferson, if you wish to convince me you are town, show me your heart. Find someone you suspect - could even be me, idc - and push them with all your strength. Engage with the person you suspect, and try and convince others of the reality of this person being evil. So far you've only done sort of half-hearted pushes. What I need to see from you is your brain at work.

Starting another train will just muddy the waters, that is a task for tomorrow. For now we have a few choices:

1. Lynch Mr. FDR in what I think is the most viable of the trains due to lack of activity, content, and overall effort. It does not make me believe that he is an American in the slightest.

ou latching onto the framing thing is a huge part of why I scumread you. The fact you continue to do so only makes me more confident in you being a Brit.

I continue to latch onto it because I wholeheartedly believe it to be true, which is why I despised the attempts to form a train on me earlier in the day. Now that that has cooled, there are other things and topics to deal with.

A big part of why I scumread you Jefferson is that you feel very perfomative. And what I mean by that is it looks like you're doing things for appearance, rather than to actually solve. You put in enough energy in your posts such that they are quite wordy, yet I don't really see that energy being directed to solving very much. Most "solving" I do see feels like you're just doing an obligation.

Attempting to find British Spies is an obligation to all Americans, so I do not really get where you're coming from in this respect.

As for performative, no? I'm attempting to discuss and figure things out in as flush of a way possible. Maybe it's my phrasing that does it for you?

Okay next person to respond to:

Do you have any information that encourages you to think scum is pushing you that you haven't mentioned ?

Please help me understand your position, because I have trouble understanding your POV at the moment. From either alignment, because in my eyes you'd need to be very stupid to say the shit you do as scum, but at the same time it doesn't make sense for you to say it as town either (as it doesn't help at all, quite the opposite in fact FMPOV) so I'm really kinda lost.

I don't think scum has the play to really shove me yet.... Earlier in the day it appeared clear as day but now not so much. Anyways off of that point, when I have an idea I usually post it if I think it is relevant, doesn't matter what the idea is. Usually the post will let me gauge reactions and what people are thinking. In this case it was a belief of mine that turned into a swathe of information.

Lastly from what I could see both you and Mr. Monroe's scumreads didn't really have dirt on me, which didn't help anything.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

It's growing on me

Ooo you're here, can we converse Mr. Johnson?

I'd like to hear from you in what you think is the appropriate course of action for a lynch today.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

Starting another train will just muddy the waters, that is a task for tomorrow. For now we have a few choices:

1. Lynch Mr. FDR in what I think is the most viable of the trains due to lack of activity, content, and overall effort. It does not make me believe that he is an American in the slightest.

I left this part of my last post unfinished

2. Lynch Mr. Nixon in what I think at this point would be a mistake due to recent posts.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

Ooo you're here, can we converse Mr. Johnson?

I'd like to hear from you in what you think is the appropriate course of action for a lynch today.

He left ._.

I should be free for a little before EOD, so I will not plcae my vote yet.

[FM-Lyndon B Johnson]

Ooo you're here, can we converse Mr. Johnson?

I'd like to hear from you in what you think is the appropriate course of action for a lynch today.

I am.

I dislike both trains but have to admit that fdr has done very little to take himself out of his current predicament, despite my best efforts. I was strongly considering voting you up before you showed up, since you are here AND engaging with me I don't see a need to anymore.

[FM-Lyndon B Johnson]

He left ._.

I should be free for a little before EOD, so I will not plcae my vote yet.

Do not trust what the site tells you, it doesn't know whether I'm doing something else or not and it doesn't know whether I purposefully disconnected or simply timed out.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

I am.

I dislike both trains but have to admit that fdr has done very little to take himself out of his current predicament, despite my best efforts. I was strongly considering voting you up before you showed up, since you are here AND engaging with me I don't see a need to anymore.

That's a fair opinion

My own plan was to vote FDR, he has been grilled by more people than anyone else and has done little to nothing to get himself out of it.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

Do not trust what the site tells you, it doesn't know whether I'm doing something else or not and it doesn't know whether I purposefully disconnected or simply timed out.

Yeah I figured that I should stop trusting it once you posted lol

Keeps telling me that you're not online.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

My real problem right now is figuring out which of the two trains have the scum in them.

Because if either of these two flip scum (which imo FDR is the most likely to) then that will make Mr. Washington and Kennedy look not so great.

On the flip side if Mr. FDR flips town, all hell will likely break loose.

[FM-Lyndon B Johnson]

That's a fair opinion

My own plan was to vote FDR, he has been grilled by more people than anyone else and has done little to nothing to get himself out of it.

I cannot disagree, despite how much I dislike the progression.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

I cannot disagree, despite how much I dislike the progression.

Like, I don't really like either train much at all

But FDR is voting against Nixon, my read of Nixon is a lot townier than FDR, and my two top townreads that haven't died are on the FDR boat as well.

[FM-Lyndon B Johnson]

These are the current votes :

FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (3 [L-996]):
FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-John F Kennedy

FM-Richard Nixon (3 [L-996]):
FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
FM-James Monroe

====

fdr's vote is tolerable because it is self pres, self pres is fine as either alignment, though one could argue against it if you are a powerless role.

Thus to find where the scum lies in the current trains it is a matter of who is scum/opportunistic between FM-George Washington (Mayor) & FM-John F Kennedy on one side, or FM-Dwight D Eisenhower & FM-Abraham Lincoln on the other.

Most of those are consensually town read. Lincoln does feel like he's tunneling a bit, especially since he refuses to elaborate his thought on Nixon, but overall I don't see much in these trains...
Is it impossible that both are town lead ?

[MartinGG99]

I don't think I need to say this, but just in case:

Where possible, please avoid discussing the activity thing (which shows non-incognito accounts viewing this thread) at the bottom of the page or any other non-game-related indicator of being online or not.

Discussing activity shown through anything else in the game (such as posts) is fine.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

These are the current votes :

FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (3 [L-996]):
FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-John F Kennedy

FM-Richard Nixon (3 [L-996]):
FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
FM-James Monroe

====

fdr's vote is tolerable because it is self pres, self pres is fine as either alignment, though one could argue against it if you are a powerless role.

Thus to find where the scum lies in the current trains it is a matter of who is scum/opportunistic between FM-George Washington (Mayor) & FM-John F Kennedy on one side, or FM-Dwight D Eisenhower & FM-Abraham Lincoln on the other.

Most of those are consensually town read. Lincoln does feel like he's tunneling a bit, especially since he refuses to elaborate his thought on Nixon, but overall I don't see much in these trains...
Is it impossible that both are town lead ?

It isn't impossible that both are town-lead trains, that is a good point.

My retort to that would be if neither train is scum lead, who are the other scum? You'd have to look between a core of people that look in the eyes of the other gentlemen as being extraordinarily townie. Unless of course you believe the scum is James, or another person not on either train.

Most peoples town cores (I think) are FM-John F Kennedy, FM-George Washington, and FM-Dwight D Eisenhower.

There is debate on if Mr. Lincoln is town, and there is also a rather heavy debate whether or not I am town in the eyes of the gentlemen.

[FM-Richard Nixon]

-vote FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

-vote FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

Interesting timing for the self pres vote.

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

Anyways folks, I'll likely be on for EOD

My vote will stay if not, as I believe it is the one viable train:

[vote]FM-Franklin D Roosevelt[/QUOTE]

I need sleep now

[FM-Thomas Jefferson]

Anyways folks, I'll likely be on for EOD

My vote will stay if not, as I believe it is the one viable train:

[vote]FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

I need sleep now[/QUOTE]

Bleh

-vote FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I have trouble seeing the rationale or your vote on Jefferson, and then right here you even give him an out. It is almost like you are not being sincere with your vote and maybe you are using it as a distraction? Planting the seeds here to take your vote off of him?

If you really believed he was scum, why would you give him an out?

This is such a bad argument and I don't know if it's wolfy or just bad.

When you suspect someone and are town, you are not gifted with surety. To offer someone a chance to be town in spite of your read is good town play.

How experienced are you?

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I have explained already the weirdness associated with that slot. Their reads are hedgy

allow me I shall bury them

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

-vote Franklin d Roosevelt

Going back to my gut read

I have a pretty strong inkling that FDR is scummy town. I don't think they have exhibited TMI. I think Nixon is the better chop here.

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I would argue that I'm just pushing against bad pushes and maybe you should consider that you aren't brilliant for trying to push LHF

how exactly do you characterise yourself as LHF, what makes you more LHF than the LHF that you're voting for for instance?

every post you make sounds off alarm bells to me.

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I left this part of my last post unfinished

2. Lynch Mr. Nixon in what I think at this point would be a mistake due to recent posts.

hey look its one of my scumreads shielding my other scumread for god awful reasons

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I am.

I dislike both trains but have to admit that fdr has done very little to take himself out of his current predicament, despite my best efforts. I was strongly considering voting you up before you showed up, since you are here AND engaging with me I don't see a need to anymore.

why do you dislike them? what is the preference? why are they particularly townie?

Like I don't feel confident that FDR, who has bad tone and keeps saying derpy shit, is going to flip mafia with five votes on them on day 3 of an anon game that town have been cruising to an easy loss... I think it's mathematically extremely likely that mafia (at least 1 but probably more) are voting there right now so either they are bussing or he's town. Given he's making a habit out of making posts that make me make that confused scrunchy face I am sure some town are there too but he's an easy mischop if he's town and given the gamestate I don't think it's the correct chop.

But Nixon... Nixon is a fine wagon?

Your measure for what equates to good or bad reasoning for a vote is kinda all over the place. You dislike these wagons, but your prepared alternative is someone you feel so tepidly towards that the simple act of them posting and engaging renders it unnecessary?

If you haven't got suspicions to push on day 3 of a game town is losing what the fuck are you doing here?

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

That's a fair opinion

My own plan was to vote FDR, he has been grilled by more people than anyone else and has done little to nothing to get himself out of it.

Let's analyse this post.

Me, a town, saw that post Johnson made and thought "#wack", Jefferson saw it as a "fair opinion" like wtf?

And Jefferson's plan is to vote FDR because they have been pushed by more people than anyone else (in a game which mafia are winning this is reason to townread someone tbh), and have done little to get themselves out of it... which is a subjective argument that cannot be actually made on top of the fact that if it were able to be made it would make them townie, because wolves number 1 need on their hierarchy is GETTING THEMSELVES OUT OF IT.

This is a nonsense post. Jefferson is a wolf.

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

My real problem right now is figuring out which of the two trains have the scum in them.

Because if either of these two flip scum (which imo FDR is the most likely to) then that will make Mr. Washington and Kennedy look not so great.

On the flip side if Mr. FDR flips town, all hell will likely break loose.

Define "all hell will likely break loose".

Because from where I'm sitting what you really mean is "mafia will have a strangehold on game and cruise to win after killing Eisenhower".

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

Like, I don't really like either train much at all

But FDR is voting against Nixon, my read of Nixon is a lot townier than FDR, and my two top townreads that haven't died are on the FDR boat as well.

Why is Nixon townier than FDR?
Who are the two top townreads that are voting for FDR?

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

These are the current votes :

FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (3 [L-996]):
FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-John F Kennedy

FM-Richard Nixon (3 [L-996]):
FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
FM-James Monroe

====

fdr's vote is tolerable because it is self pres, self pres is fine as either alignment, though one could argue against it if you are a powerless role.

Thus to find where the scum lies in the current trains it is a matter of who is scum/opportunistic between FM-George Washington (Mayor) & FM-John F Kennedy on one side, or FM-Dwight D Eisenhower & FM-Abraham Lincoln on the other.

Most of those are consensually town read. Lincoln does feel like he's tunneling a bit, especially since he refuses to elaborate his thought on Nixon, but overall I don't see much in these trains...
Is it impossible that both are town lead ?

Given my hypothesis that FDR is town and Nixon is mafia.

1 - Of course no mafia are voting Nixon
2 - FDR is scummy town with 2 votes on them at this point. They can easily be town. Especially given that between then and now he suddenly has 5 votes and Nixon's wagon is the same size. His wagon grew with likely mafia while Nixon's did not. If FDR was mafia and Nixon was town, Nixon would have gotten votes.

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (5 [L-994]):
FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-John F Kennedy, FM-Richard Nixon, FM-Thomas Jefferson

FM-Richard Nixon (3 [L-996]):
FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt

FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
FM-James Monroe

The bolded are players I am reading as mafia. They are both voting for FDR and their votes are currently protecting Nixon. The other counterwagon is also a mafia read.

Johnson is very sus for not having voted yet.

I am very curious what Madison does here.

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I am adamant that the only way that FDR can be mafia here is if he's being bussed and it'd be almost certainly by Nixon and/or Jefferson anyway because there is no impetus to bus FDR unless there is another wolf at risk of death. Jefferson as mafia partner to FDR here would be voting Nixon. GW and JFK are not suspicious to me.

FDR is almost only ever mafia if Nixon is too, but FDR can be, and usually is, in world's where Nixon is mafia.

Wagonomics suggests heavily that Nixon and Jefferson are both better wagons.

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

I am adamant that the only way that FDR can be mafia here is if he's being bussed and it'd be almost certainly by Nixon and/or Jefferson anyway because there is no impetus to bus FDR unless there is another wolf at risk of death. Jefferson as mafia partner to FDR here would be voting Nixon. GW and JFK are not suspicious to me.

FDR is almost only ever mafia if Nixon is too, but FDR can be town, and usually is, in world's where Nixon is mafia.

Wagonomics suggests heavily that Nixon and Jefferson are both better wagons.

ebwop

[FM-Dwight D Eisenhower]

T'would seem like nobody gonna chat with me. Take heed my warnings anyway. Good luck.