From the setup:
"Sharp" Mechanics
Some mechanics are what I call "sharp"
- The balance of the game rests on a sharp knife's edge, where a slight imbalance in either direction has a disproportionate effect on the outcome of the game
- Or the mechanic is like a sharp knife - running around swinging it wildly will more often than not result in someone having a bad time
- Or I don't like the mechanic and I'm sticking it here as a way to restrict its use
Sharp Mechanics:
- Kill Power (in particular KP per phase. One shot KP is much less sharp)
- Silencing (speech manipulation that still allows a player to communicate ideas, even if it's more difficult, is not sharp. Manipulation that makes communicating ideas impossible is sharp)
- All Forms of Vote Manipulation (Extra vote power, vote stealing, changing votes, lynch-immunity, manipulating other players votes, etc.)
- Jester Mechanics (Generally anything that makes it so someone wants to be the top wagon at EoD is a jester mechanic. Mechanics that incentivize being voted but not eliminated are fine)
- Alignment Conversion
- Alternative Win Conditions
I strongly doubt Unicorn is completely blocked from saying anything at all, including votes. It also is highly convenient.
Did you specifically get "No Feedback" as when there's nothing to say? If so, that may mean your action was simply thrown into the trash. That is worth asking the host imo.
If I were galaxy-brain scum, it would imply there were at least one teammate left alive yesterday with the ability to poison a townie. It would be entirely stupid to waste the shot on me instead of just basically winning, especially considering my role, which includes kill power under some circumstances (I have never used a kill).
Here's my rolecard:
Alignment: Town
Role: Gunslinger
Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.
Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.
Rolecard:
You have 3 abilities, all of which occur during the day
1. The Good - Once Per Game, if someone [REDACTED to avoid defeating the whole point of the action] you can quickshot them. You have a 50% chance to hit. If there are any pre-existing day shots in the thread unprocessed your shot will be processed before them. You must tag the moderator and your target in the thread. This shot is public
2. The Bad - You are wearing a 1x bulletproof vest. The first shot that would kill you does not.
3. The Ugly - If you are killed during the day in any way you receive a vengeance shot. This vengeance shot is public, has 100% chance to hit the target. You must tag the moderator and your target in the thread. If you are the day kill (Chop) you have 30 minutes from the time voting closes to make your shot. You may pre-submit a target for The Ugly which you will shoot at automatically if you do not submit another target within 30 minutes after the chop.
As you can probably tell, I have not used any of these actions. The four shots at me didn't even trigger The Bad, I made sure of it. As for The Good, you would all have known about it because of how it works.
He has been consistenly scumhunting to an extent scum do not usually go to because they do not need it. He has not just sheeping the consensus, or even been sticking to easy reads and just going with the flow, but rather actively reevaluating his reads based on events that can reasonably trigger genuine reasonings (I remember the Hanlon's Razor thingy particularly well; it might not seem like a lot to you, but to me, it is, because that's literally how I think, so I feel like he reasoned like I do as town), and trying to worldbuild.
As for you, there is still the "not shooting your scum check" part and the strange Tesseract lie detection stuff... so as something that is a bit conspiracy-like but still possible, you could be scum, hence the read difference.
-vote Dark Unicorn
Im not unvoting this time.
-vote FM-Dark Unicorn
I am not silenced. Life happens.
I very much dislike how we wasted an entire day yesterday when we could have had some discussion and sorted the game.
It occurred to me that CBI could be some form of a disguiser. The fact their entire role card was redacted is an issue.
Neutral hunting now?
I am not sure how you drew this conclusion. I went after Mr. Bones pretty hard when I thought he was a Neutral. I take issue with how the rest of the players were content to let him slide and took no issue with Tess openly neutral reading him while advocating for his survival. The problem is pretty much everyone here ignored that so its not specific to you. But you should ask yourself what kind of sense it makes for me to shove neutrals as a neutral.
I am going to have to think about this.
Chad looks bad to me. The way he keeps pushing that I visited him when its not possible and demanding an explanation feels scummy. There is no logical reason if I was scum that I would visit him a second time after he saw me the first time and we talked about it. This makes me feel like I am being framed and he is using the situation to shade me.
But Purple does claim they detected that they do not have a factional kill which is good. I do not see a play of manipulating me to visit and pushing me for it coming from a solo and I would expect a team to have a factional kill.
Then this bothers me. I was not subtle at all with what I was doing and they had no issue at all with Tess grabbing power. The thought process of saying its scummy for me to do while they ignored Tess doing something similar feels inconstant and I would expect town Chad to consider why I had not even tried to get additional votes, a death tailor and a kill if I was scum but instead they are just shading me which feels bad.
Well, I’m settled. That defense was not what I was looking for.
I’ll hammer you in a couple of hours.
Leaf feels good. They have been very consistent the entire game and the fact they were poisoned is a great look for them. The fact they do not seem to be pushing an agenda today also makes me more comfortable with them. Reading through their posts I constantly find myself agreeing with their reasoning and the way they have been poking around feels good.
Purple quarterbacking Incons lynch was good. The Tess flip is an issue but one we can not sort mechanically and I still question their flip. It is very unlikely for town to have 2 mayors imo and the way they were openly pushing to keep neutrals alive and grabbing power without taking any pressure for it makes me feel like their flip could be tailored. I dislike the way Purple has voted me without much reasoning. Specifically I feel like they should have given more thought to other players before settling on a policy lynch in a potential LYLO.
Ohno feels off to me. They don't really look like they are hunting and it feels like they more justifying positions slapping labels on players. It is a good look that they healed Leaf. I can not imagine scum motivation for that action past aligned and I have not really picked up on anything off the top of my head to make me think they are teamed. I still think if that neutral disguised this is where they went and it fits that they quit taking actions.
More information is good for the town, and as thus I will write up a proper response to his claims when I get back from my outing.
I am between you and Ohno. You are both too opportunistic and your thought process looks contrived to me. I feel like if you were legitimately scum hunting you would actually be considering a large number of things you are just ignoring.
Purples lie detection on you is of note but this feels like the second time you have justified a lynch with a vague statement instead of reasoning.
I need to dig more before I vote but I am leaning twords Ohno. They do not really look like they are trying to solve and were too comfortable throwing out a vote in a potential LYLO situation. I feel like all scum would have piled onto Myopia for the town cred given their situation and I feel like yesterday they also had zero intention to solve.
I like this take. Makes me a little more comfortable with Chad. There is some thought behind it that feels consistent with how they have been focusing so far this game.
The thing I am slightly stuck on is the N4 no action but with using an antidote. If they were able to submit the antidote action I feel like they should also have been able to submit a night action. I am not sure why scum would use an antidote here though. This does not make sense to me but in a way I have trouble seeing it as AI..
There's actually a rather simple explanation to this: the parasite.
Having been infected by a parasite that grants copies of feedback, you'd want to play it safe until the owner of said parasite is dead. It could look potentially alarming if the wielder of the parasite finds out you get a selection of special powers from being high in post count. This also falls in line with the concern you've expressed over the parasite in thread during the game as well.
Why do neutrals need to keep other neutrals alive? Why does town need to keep neutrals alive? Neutrals don't have to keep other neutrals alive to win traditionally, so I'm lost as to why you think you pushing Mr Bones when you thought he was a neutral (a moot point because he wasn't a neutral) matters at all.
You did visit me. You accepted that on day 2. If we were to look at Father and Sun's visit logs I'm sure we could figure it out. Unfortunately I don't have the time and since none of it is centralized, I don't have the inclination either.
The situation behind me accepting Tesseract's extra vote and your extra vote is different. I townread Tesseract- something I made very clear on day 1 and day 2. I do not townread you. I didn't townread you yesterday, nor the day before. I kept my vote open for the express purpose of not letting you consolidate power when I thought you were scum. I don't think anybody can shade me for trying to deny my scumreads power.
The situations don't add up.
You've visited me twice but you claim not to have visiting actions. Which means you're either taking neutral actions, using items that you haven't claimed, or using factional abilities.
You've completely dropped the topic of the bows, which I would've absolutely expected you to not drop if you were town pushing me.
You attempted to consolidate an extra vote yesterday with no warning. This, I think, is the nail in the coffin for you.
Just ask yourself what possible reason I would visit you a second time after having a conversation with you about you seeing me visit you the first time? That is a ridiculous action.
And yeah, I looked at the shot situation and decided there is nothing I can draw from it. I do still feel like it was bows given we know 2 were purchased and it does really bother me how everyone ignored that interaction you had with Forsaken. That conversation was a holy shit level of TMI referencing a blatantly anti-town action directed at you. Regardless of if it was bows or weak pistols or any other form of killing item it was a scummy action and Forsaken knew who took it. The issue is that I can not sort if they were threatening you or if they were making a point by speaking in your direction but at someone else.
And yeah, Imagine if I had claimed my role the day prior. Anyone could just spam the thread like Myopia did to Tess. Literally giving warning would make my role useless which I was very clear about.
Anything else to add before I close off the day?
How would I have any understanding of what the parasite did to make such a decision that I should not visit?
Why would I gun hard for a player I thought was neutral and also push against Tess for advocating to keep a neutral alive as scum?
I am having trouble figuring out if you are painting me or just really lost in confirmation bias. You can say scum do not have to keep neutrals alive but it makes no sense to go after one hardcore as scum. And if I was teamed with Myopia why wouldn't I just grab the easy town cred jumping on that train? Why did I shove the lynch twords resolving Incon earlier in the game and advocate to sort players with reduced flips?
Well yes. I would like more time to dig. If I am going to be lynched my flip will confirm my words and I would like to help sort tomorrow. If you are convinced I am scum allowing me more time to speak should just give you more information to sort others post flip so giving me time to speak is a good thing either way.
The parasite role flipped day 1. I know you are aware of this. I have pointed it out to you several times.
You did not answer my point about why neutrals need to keep other neutrals alive- just that you think you shouldn't look like a neutral for hunting one. The thing is that as a neutral there isn't much incentive to not play as townie as possible.
Perhaps I'm just lost in confirmation bias. But I think this is the most likely world we live in.
It doesn't make much sense at all, in fact.
-vote FM-Dark Unicorn
Hopefully all the puzzle pieces are in place.
FM-Dark Unicorn has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
FM-Dark Unicorn (3 [L-0]): FM-ohno, FM-Purple, FM-Chad Knight
?KRC M-FM Edition
Night 6
Vote Counts
FM-Dark Unicorn (3 [L-0])
FM-ohno, FM-Purple, FM-Chad Knight
FM-Dark Unicorn has been executed.
Their Flip
Spoiler : Flip :
Their Edited Role Submission
Spoiler : Flip :
The original post has also been updated.
Players Alive Graveyard Left Victoriously @FM-Purple
@FM-Is that a leaf
@FM-Chad Knight
@FM-ohnoFM-Kaleidoscope
FM-Arcade
FM-Eyes
FM-Kitty Cat Dance
FM-Inconspicuous Man
FM-Comrade PickleRadish
FM-Its SOMETHING
FM-Mafia Bro
FM-Mr Pain
FM-Tesseract
FM-Mr Bones
FM-Bizarro Pepsi
FM-Demonic TP
FM-Blue Beard
FM-Earless Artiste
FM-Myopia
FM-Father and Sun
FM-Dark UnicornIn Interstellar Space:
FM-Forsaken Bones
At [REDACTED]:
FM-CBI Agent
Night 6 Ends at 7 PM CST on Monday March 7th
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Night action deadline is 2 hours before SoD
All day, Eliza watched for her brothers by the side of the river. She collected berries and she caught fish and made a small fire so, when her brothers came back to her, she could give them a delicious meal. She watched the waves in the river, flowing and lapping and reflecting the glittery brightness of the sun on the top of their waves.
The day waned and the sun was about to set. It was then that Eliza saw eleven white swans, each wearing a golden crown, flying toward the shore. They flew in a straight line. Eliza stood very quietly, for fear of scaring away the swans. “Maybe my presence is frightening to them,” Eliza thought, as she hid behind some shrubbery. The swans landed near Eliza and they flapped their magnificent white wings. Eliza was so startled that she dropped one of the fish that she was cleaning.
FM-Dark Unicorn, who was executed, was the fish.
Eliza could not sleep. She watched the swans as they landed on the shore of the river. One at a time, they landed, just as they flew, in a straight line. And then, they removed their bird skin and were once again young men. Eliza continued cooking, so that her brothers could know that they were loved. But first it started drizzling and then it turned into rain. Before long, it was pouring, and the fire went out.
FM-Ohno, who died, was the fire.
Last edited by garden gnome; March 7th, 2022 at 09:15 PM.
?KRC M-FM Edition
Day 7
FM-ohno has died!
Their Flip
Spoiler : Flip :
Their Edited Role Submission
Spoiler : Flip :
The original post has also been updated.
Players Alive Graveyard Left Victoriously @FM-Purple
@FM-Is that a leaf
@FM-Chad KnightFM-Kaleidoscope
FM-Arcade
FM-Eyes
FM-Kitty Cat Dance
FM-Inconspicuous Man
FM-Comrade PickleRadish
FM-Its SOMETHING
FM-Mafia Bro
FM-Mr Pain
FM-Tesseract
FM-Mr Bones
FM-Bizarro Pepsi
FM-Demonic TP
FM-Blue Beard
FM-Earless Artiste
FM-Myopia
FM-Father and Sun
FM-Dark Unicorn
FM-ohnoIn Interstellar Space:
FM-Forsaken Bones
At [REDACTED]:
FM-CBI Agent
Day 7 Ends at 7 PM CST on Wednesday March 9th
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Day Action Deadline is exactly at 6 PM. Timestamps of 5:59 are accepted. Timestamps of 6:00 are not.
Early hammers affect the day action deadline accordingly.
3 Players Remain. 2 votes to hammer.
2 votes to hammer.
?KRC M-FM Edition
Reading of Last Wills and Testaments
We are gathered here today to read the last will and testament of FM-ohno
Notice: I was faking to be a jailor of sorts in hopes of getting info in these night chats. I only had one kill in the form of a poison blowdart.
Day 1-Targeted Mafia Bro.
Night 1-Subject refused to claim a role except for "Its pretty useless unless somethibg specific happens". Overall had townie vibes.
Day 2-Purchased a poison blow dart. targeted Demonic TP with my role ability (NOT the dart)
Night 2-We exchanged claims. Role: Lonely Cowboy in Desperate Need of Some Love and Also Some Bullets Cause He Didn’t Pack Enough Even Though His Mother Specifically Asked if He Had Enough Bullets was their claim. I belive they are town. This role is a mix of escort-veteran-vigi
NIGHT 3: Bizarro pepsi. Vanilized due to the android having their parasite.
NIGHT 4: Nothing cus im bad. Also i saved leaf with antidote
NIGHT 5: No one cus bad
NIGHT 6: LEAF IS LAST SCUM, I SHOULD NOT HAVE HEALED HIM. PURPLE WAS ADDED TO A CHAT WITH THEM, WHO SAID THEY WERE KILLING PURPLE, BUT THEY COULD JOIN HIM AS A HYDRA TO WIN (I targeted purple this night)
TURBO LEAF TURBO LEAF
(UNLESS: If you are reading this, and im dead, but purple is alive, that means he lied to me and should be turbo'ed. there is no way purple is both alive and telling the truth. I REPEAT, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, TURBO PURPLE)
Well, this is just unfortunate for you.
Dark Unicorn being dead actually provided us with the last piece of information that we needed to solve this setup: the last role.
We have now seen every single role that is in this setup, and I spent the better part of 2 hours last night collecting and organizing all of the information we need to mechanically solve this game.
Name Role Flip Role Submitted Father and Sun The Watcher with No Names Inspector Gadget Its SOMETHING Inspector Gadget The Chosen One (Matches to Puzzle Master and Hive Mind) Mr Bones Frog Fractions Chopper Dave Eyes Lovestruck Frog Fractions Mr Pain Machievellian Forum Mengsk Dark Unicorn Town Leader Gordon Freeman Earless Artiste Forum Mengsk The Powerwolf Forsaken Bones Tradestar Midas Pincushion Kaleidoscope Android Stealthbomber16 Purple ??? ??? Is that a Leaf ??? (Gunslinger) ??? Bizarro Pepsi Stealthbomber16 The Watcher with No Names Demonic TP Lonely Cowboy Lovestruck Tesseract The Powerwolf Art Thief Comrade PickleRadish Art Thief The Messenger Myopia Holey Digger Town Leader Blue Beard Chopper Dave + Puzzle Master Gunslinger Chad Knight ??? (Pincushion) ??? Kitty Cat Dance The PQ Maneuver Lover ohno ??? ??? Inconspicuous Man Lover Holey Digger Mafia Bro Pun Czhin-Bakk Lonely Cowboy CBI Agent ??? Android Arcade The Hive Mind The PQ Manuever
This is a collection of a few things as of night 6:
1. Each role that a dead player has flipped
2. Each role that a dead player submitted.
Between these two things, we have every single role in the game. We are technically missing one: CBI's rolecard, the SCP agent, has not been fully revealed, and we haven't seen it flip because one of the four of us that are alive submitted it. Regardless, not knowing the rolecard does not effect the mechanical solve.
As of night 6 (the time I am writing this) we have 4 roles remaining in the setup. The Pincushion, claimed by me, the Gunslinger, claimed by leaf, The Messenger, claimed by nobody, and the Gordon Freeman cube that I refuse to go back and look at the exact name for, also claimed by nobody. This means that both oh no AND Purple are lying about their role. Both players are claiming to have a role that does NOT exist.
We can speculate as to who has which role, if we so desire. The Messenger role looks remarkably similar to the role that ohno is claiming to have. The key differences are that ohno has claimed to have a KPN to accompany it. But the role that Purple is claiming to have does not resemble either of these rolecards. Further speculation, however, is worthless, because there's a simple mechanical answer that points to Purple being the final scum today.
On day 2, Purple revealed a blue (triad) check on Inconspicuous Man. Of the four roles currently remaining in the game, NONE of them have a factional check. Purple had no way to get the information that Inconspicuous Man was triad on day 2. Purple must be on a scum team with Inconspicuous Man. Purple also claimed to have a two charge lie detector, which is also not in any of the four remaining roles. This also clears up the discrepancy surrounding Tesseract. Purple claimed that Tesseract was lying when he said he was town, but Tesseract flipped town anyway. This is because Purple's lie detector does not exist.
Purple HAS to be the final scum, and should always be the person that is lynched today.
damn that went wrong, really really wrong
I lied in that chat yes, I thought Ohno was some sort of neutral in our chat so I gave him bad info to see if he'd kill Leaf.
Also. I claim getting this message last night.
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-vote FM-Purple
You are either tinfoiling hard, throwing or my lie detection was influenced, meaning I've been insanized all game.